From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 1 20:55:32 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [alt.religion.kibology] Re: Map cake event. Message-ID: alt.religion.kibology http://groups.google.com ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Sent From: kibo@world.std.com (James "Kibo" Parry) Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology Subject: Re: Map cake event. Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:16:39 -0400 Organization: http://www.kibo.com Message-ID: References: [Guess what. Don found a Web page that mentions the Boston Public Library.] Don Saklad (dsaklad@nestle.ai.mit.edu) wrote: > > Would that map cake be considered a kind of kibological event ?... at > http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/rappaport/charterday/past.htm Well, it _would_ have been, if you had never found out about it. Curse you for retroactively crashing this elegant party which was a really great party because it had a custom-decorated cake and not one of those solid-color ones! But thanks to you finding out about it, now the wacky blue party cake from last year is _ruined_! Also, that photo of Mayor Menino cutting the "map cake" outside the BPL looks dangerously close to a photo of people eating pastry on the same sidewalk behind the library where the homeless people try to avoid freezing to death. But I know that Mayor Menino would never be so crass as to eat this gaily-decorated cake in the bums' alley. Nice view of the rusty iron bars on the window behind him, though. It would have been more photogenic if he'd been on the Boylston Street side of the library in front of those big granite slabs they put up to keep crazy people who hate the BPL from driving car bombs into it. Speaking of which, Don, why are you suddenly so interested in researching the side of the library that isn't protected from those? Or the photo could just show them in the library's secret courtyard, as it claims to, if we assume that the things in the background that look like a lamppost and a phone booth are really just potted plants. -> The Boston Public Library hosted Boston's 372nd Birthday Party -> in its renovated courtyard. Mayor Thomas M. Menino presided over -> the event, cutting a giant flatcake decorated with a map of Boston -> and its neighborhoods and leading celebrants in singing -> "Happy Birthday" to Boston. Of course, if Boston had a 372nd birthday party almost a year ago, that means that there's a 373rd one this week. But this time, Don, we're not going to let you know which major public library in central Boston will be hosting it. It could be at either the Mary Baker Eddy Library For The Betterment Of Humanity(TM) or the Boston Public Library, and until you figure it out, you won't get to watch us having cake while you stand on the other side of the street in front of the Dunkin' Donuts! As far as last year's used-to-be-secret-from-Don giant-flat-cake party went, it was delicious, although I picked all the Helvetica off my slice before I ate it. I feel sorry for the people who had to eat Deer Island and Spectacle Island. (No matter how much frosting they dump on Spectacle Island, it still tastes bad.) According to the Web page, after the cake party, those of us in the know as influential movers and shakers in the Boston Public Library Conspiracy went to church for "a special interfaith service", meaning "a political photo opportunity": -> The service marked the debut of the hymn "O Boston!" I don't recall whether Archimedes Plutonium sang that or just composed it. -- K. I like how the Boston Map Cake faithfully depicts the Earth's polar ice caps covering Cambridge and Roxbury. Good thing I live in the part of Boston which is on the Equator. ------- End of forwarded message ------- alt.religion.kibology http://groups.google.com From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Sep 2 09:25:53 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] mailman day Message-ID: <200309021225.53307.dep@linuxandmain.com> a pirate comes into a bar with a ship's wheel strapped to his midsection. the bartender says, "did you know you have a ship's wheel strapped to your midsection?" "arrr!" said the pirate, whereupon he drew his scimitar and lopped off the bartender's head. "that's what he gets for drawing attention to my botched circumcision." -- dep Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood so established, that unless we love the truth, we cannot know it. - Blaise Pascal From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 2 10:17:54 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030902171753.GF30943@zork.net> goddamn no-procmail wanx0rz. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- crackmonkey.org@edgewood.to has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Sep 2 15:41:15 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here Lies Nick Moffitt Message-ID: But if you want, we can stuff him instead: http://www.boners.com/grub/790719.html -- "Vive le France" --President George W Bush From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Sep 2 18:19:30 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sanyo G-2612H portable stereo (turntable, tape deck, radio) Message-ID: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Nemo would like to note that his stereo of the above specifications, purchased at Figi in 1941, has hitherto had no Internet presence. -- Jordan Bettis The truth is more important than the facts. -- Frank Loyd Wright From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Sep 2 18:30:06 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:44 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sanyo G-2612H portable stereo (turntable, tape deck, radio) In-Reply-To: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> References: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Message-ID: <87n0dmk6ap.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Jordan Bettis writes: > Nemo would like to note that his stereo of the above specifications, > purchased at Figi in 1941, has hitherto had no Internet presence. Or possibly 1974. -- Jordan Bettis The economy is doing fine, but the people aren't. -- General Emelio Medici, head-of-state of Brazil, 1971 From nemo at nut.house.cx Tue Sep 2 18:29:40 2003 From: nemo at nut.house.cx (Nemo -earth native-) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sanyo G-2612H portable stereo (turntable, tape deck, radio) In-Reply-To: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> References: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20030903012940.GA18005@nut.house.cx> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:19:30PM -0500, Jordan Bettis did utter: > > Nemo would like to note that his stereo of the above specifications, > purchased at Figi in 1941, has hitherto had no Internet presence. For the rest of us, that would be 1974. > The truth is more important than the facts. Truth? Facts? A Jedi has no need for these things. .../Nemo -- ------------------------------------------ -------------------------- earth native From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Sep 2 19:19:52 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sanyo G-2612H portable stereo (turntable, tape deck, radio) In-Reply-To: <20030903012940.GA18005@nut.house.cx> References: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> <20030903012940.GA18005@nut.house.cx> Message-ID: <200309022219.52097.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Nemo -earth native-: | On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:19:30PM -0500, Jordan Bettis did utter: | > Nemo would like to note that his stereo of the above | > specifications, purchased at Figi in 1941, has hitherto had no | > Internet presence. | | For the rest of us, that would be 1974. | | > The truth is more important than the facts. | | Truth? Facts? A Jedi has no need for these things. which is a good thing, because those data are locked safely away in the mysterious html of the boston public library. whence one among us proposes to use his light, um, sabre to free them. -- dep Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood so established, that unless we love the truth, we cannot know it. - Blaise Pascal From bker at yage.net Tue Sep 2 22:53:12 2003 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sanyo G-2612H portable stereo (turntable, tape deck, radio) In-Reply-To: <87n0dmk6ap.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> References: <87r82yk6sd.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> <87n0dmk6ap.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20030903055312.GA466@kropt> On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:30:06PM -0500, Jordan Bettis wrote: > Jordan Bettis writes: > > > Nemo would like to note that his stereo of the above specifications, > > purchased at Figi in 1941, has hitherto had no Internet presence. > > Or possibly 1974. Good news, as the Figian tape technology of 1941 was notoriously unreliable. -- b. keroack "The bourgeois man is not an individual. He is not a real person (although if he was, he would probably live in Connecticut). He is a cancer inside all of us. He can now be cured." /Bourgeoisie, or the Tyranny of the Hair Dryer/, CrimethInc. From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Wed Sep 3 01:42:19 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Useful stuff http://artdeadlineslist.com/useful/ Message-ID: Here's some useful stuff http://artdeadlineslist.com/useful/ Why is the bulletpoint for this and other messages not to the left margin?... From andy at strugglers.net Wed Sep 3 03:52:29 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pirate walks into a bar with a firecracker up his arse.. Message-ID: <20030903105229.GB4470@lug.org.uk> Spotted on CoFD.. http://www.illawarramercury.com/articles/2003/09/03/1062515432209.html > AN horrific firecracker accident which left an Illawarra man > incontinent and unable to have sex has prompted warnings from police > and health authorities. > > The 26-year-old man suffered a fractured pelvis and severe burns to > his genital area after a firecracker exploded between the cheeks of > his buttocks. > > An ambulance was called to Dapto's Reed Park about 2.30am on August > 10 after reports that the man was haemorrhaging from the buttocks. [...] > The man suffered extensive injuries from the explosion and required > emergency surgery. He now has a colostomy and a catheter, and is > sexually dysfunctional. -- "I remember the first time I made love. Perhaps it was not love exactly but I made it and it still works." -- The League Against Tedium From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 3 09:20:48 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] better living through scientology Message-ID: <200309031220.48828.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96299,00.html " . . .The contract ? called the "Agreement and General Release Regarding Spiritual Assistance" ? makes it clear that the signee does not believe in psychiatry and does not want to be treated for any kind of psychiatric ailment should one befall him. "Instead, once the paper is signed, the agreement calls for the Church of Scientology to step in if there's ever a problem. The result would be total isolation and constant surveillance. . . ." -- dep Truth is so obscure in these times and falsehood so established, that unless we love the truth, we cannot know it. - Blaise Pascal From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 4 08:42:29 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030904154229.GF31618@zork.net> You are so Dutch. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Martijn Dekkers has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 4 23:08:12 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030905060812.GA11204@zork.net> You won't get it up the steps. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Stephen Borchert has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From crackmonkey at dekkers.org.uk Fri Sep 5 01:30:20 2003 From: crackmonkey at dekkers.org.uk (Crack? Monkeys? WTF?!?) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030904154229.GF31618@zork.net> References: <20030904154229.GF31618@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030905083020.2FD26393C4@www.fastmail.fm> heh On Thu, 4 Sep 2003 08:42:29 -0700, "Nick Moffitt" said: > You are so Dutch. You are such a Russian Closet Microsoft Junkie -- There are two types of people in the world: good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours more. From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Fri Sep 5 04:07:52 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Left justified Message-ID: Why didn't this new thread get a bullet point all the way to the left at http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2003q3/thread.html It's indented ! 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In-Reply-To: <20030905135437.28619.qmail@mail.stargate.net> References: <20030905135437.28619.qmail@mail.stargate.net> Message-ID: <20030905144526.GB11204@zork.net> Pretty close, Neale. My bogofilter gave it ~0.92 bogosity. -- Support your droogs! end From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 5 07:45:53 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030905083020.2FD26393C4@www.fastmail.fm> References: <20030904154229.GF31618@zork.net> <20030905083020.2FD26393C4@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20030905144553.GC11204@zork.net> begin Crack? Monkeys? WTF?!? quotation: > You are such a Russian Closet Microsoft Junkie I don't have a Russian Closet. -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 5 07:46:44 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030905144644.GD11204@zork.net> It's that Ercole kid from that TV show, what with the big nerdy glasses and nasal voice! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- ercole@panix.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 5 07:49:36 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Left justified In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030905144935.GE11204@zork.net> begin Don Saklad quotation: > Why didn't this new thread get a bullet point all the way to the > left at > http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2003q3/thread.html > > It's indented ! Super crazy indent-o-meter! I was going to say ha ha you fool you have an old In-Reply-To or References header, but I can't find any in your headers! Tell us how you did it, Don! -- Support your droogs! end From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Sep 5 11:45:29 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Left justified In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Don Saklad wrote: > Why didn't this new thread get a bullet point all the way to the left at > http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2003q3/thread.html > > It's indented ! OH MY GOD THE SKY IS FALLING AND MY DICK HAS TURNED ORANGE AND THE BPL IS INDENTING MY FOREHEAD From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Fri Sep 5 20:34:03 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] http://www.bpl.org/search Message-ID: 1. Where around the web would there be operational help type instructions for the search function provided by that part of Microsoft IIS ?... It is used for the search field near the top at http://www.bpl.org/search but there is not any instructive help information at that link ! 2. For example, how do you search for a two word phrase keeping intact the two words for results of only the two words as a phrase?... > From: Phillips Cynthia K cphillips at bpl dot org > Subject: RE: http://www.bpl.org/search > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 > Thread-Topic: http://www.bpl.org/search > > Hello, > The seach function on our website is part of Microsoft IIS > indexing and does a general keyword search. > > Sincerely, > Cindy Phillips > Technology Implementation and Training Officer > Boston Public Library > 617-536-5400 ext. 2377 > cphillips at bpl dot org > > >> From: Don Saklad dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu >> Subject: http://www.bpl.org/search >> >> Exactly who is the current provider of the search engine used for the >> site index on the Boston Public Library web link at >> http://www.bpl.org/search >> >> Information about the provider of the search engine... From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 6 10:30:02 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know Message-ID: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-09-03&res=l -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 7 22:37:22 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:30:02AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-09-03&res=l Just what I wanted to see tonight: a lot of my-see-quill errors. This list has really gone to seed, and I am getting pretty fed up. I demand to be entertained by you morons! AND GUESS WHAT? Yeah, I'm using mutt, but I COULD BE ALSO USING A NON-FREE EDITOR, SAY...PICO, AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW IT NOW WOULD YOU? HA! So, wazzamatta? Arnold got all you west coast pretty nancy-boys all with your panties in a snit? HA! -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 7 22:48:39 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 10:30:02AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-09-03&res=l > > Just what I wanted to see tonight: a lot of my-see-quill errors. Ha ha MySQL. It are to laugh! To bring you up to speed, there was a novel and original cartoon about ducks in which it was posited that they possess an orange phallus. You surely double with laughter at the mere concept of such a drawing! > This list has really gone to seed, and I am getting pretty fed up. I > demand to be entertained by you morons! > > AND GUESS WHAT? Yeah, I'm using mutt, but I COULD BE ALSO USING A > NON-FREE EDITOR, SAY...PICO, AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW IT NOW WOULD YOU? HA! Anyone going to that much trouble deserves the result. -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 7 23:29:41 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 10:48:39PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Ha ha MySQL. It are to laugh! To bring you up to speed, there > was a novel and original cartoon about ducks in which it was posited > that they possess an orange phallus. You surely double with laughter > at the mere concept of such a drawing! What does that URL you posted have to do with a cartoon that may or may not be interesting? I didn't see no steenkin' cartoon. > > AND GUESS WHAT? Yeah, I'm using mutt, but I COULD BE ALSO USING A > > NON-FREE EDITOR, SAY...PICO, AND YOU'D NEVER KNOW IT NOW WOULD YOU? > > HA! > Anyone going to that much trouble deserves the result. Pico now sports the best email reformatting, even to several depths of quoting, that I have ever seen, and it does this right out of the box with no stupid modes needed and no stupid key assignments that fuck up other functions. Take that, jed and emacs! -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 7 23:41:38 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > Anyone going to that much trouble deserves the result. > > Pico now sports the best email reformatting, even to several depths > of quoting, that I have ever seen, and it does this right out of the > box with no stupid modes needed and no stupid key assignments that > fuck up other functions. Take that, jed and emacs! Yaaaawn. Vim has only done this for YEARS. -- Support your droogs! end From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 8 05:52:13 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Cambridge Public Library, the USA Patriot Act, and You Message-ID: The Cambridge Public Library, the USA Patriot Act, and You http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CPL/about/pubs.html http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CPL/about/patriotact.pdf *Pages 1--2 from Microsoft Word - Patriot Act DRAFT 5.doc* 8/ 19/ 03 The Cambridge Public Library, the USA Patriot Act, and You Please be advised that the Cambridge Public Library makes every effort to protect your privacy. Under the federal USA PATRIOT ACT of 2001 (Public Law 107-56), records of the books and other materials you borrow from this library as well as information about your use of the library's computers may be obtained by federal agents. The law also prohibits library workers from informing you if federal agents have obtained records about you. Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 78, Section 7, states, "That part of the records of a public library which reveals the identity and intellectual pursuits of a person using such library shall not be a public record..." Up until the passage of the USA Patriot Act in 2001, (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act) the Cambridge Public Library would not release information about a library patron without a court order or subpoena. It would have been permissible for the library to notify you of the request for your records and you would have had an opportunity to go to court and challenge the order. Since the enactment of the Patriot Act, the library is subject to search warrants requesting information about library users and their intellectual pursuits. Such search warrants are effective immediately and the library is forbidden by statute to inform you or anyone else, except our legal counsel, about the warrant. Access to patron information may include: database search records, circulation records, computer use records, inter-library loan records, and reference interviews. As a matter of principle and in practice, the Cambridge Public Library strives to retain as little information as possible about library patrons and the nature of their use of the library. To protect you, we take the following precautions: . All records connecting borrowers with materials are deleted once the items are checked in, assuming there are no outstanding fines on the item(s) . We encourage library users to clear the memory of the public access computers by rebooting the computer at the end of each session (ask for help if you don't know how to do this) . We delete the histories from each public access computer at the end of every day . 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C. 20530 202-353-1555 AskDOJ@usgdoj.gov 2 From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Sep 8 13:47:41 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] they were going to say . . . Message-ID: <200309081647.41710.dep@linuxandmain.com> . . . something about the boston public library, but they couldn't figure out the html: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030908/168/57lkh.html -- dep Dotcoms were based on the mathematical idea that if you multiply zero by a sufficiently large number, you've got something. -- Douglas Adams From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 8 22:57:24 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:41:38PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Yaaaawn. Vim has only done this for YEARS. I doubt it, not with anything like the same simplicity. But NOBODY uses vim for email, nobody. Witness the endless fascination on the garnome list with getting evolution to work! And, witness the endless fascination with RH. I myself, ONLY FOR PURPOSES OF MAKING MONEY OFF IT, usually have some version of RH running on something around here, but for Heaven's sake, can't we get rid of these evolution/redhat weanies on the garnome list? -- Bob Bernstein From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Sep 8 23:38:09 2003 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:41:38PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent > of San Francisco wrote: > > > Yaaaawn. Vim has only done this for YEARS. > > I doubt it, not with anything like the same simplicity. But NOBODY uses > vim for email, nobody. Witness the endless fascination on the garnome list > with getting evolution to work! Quite a few people use VIM with Evolution. I use VIM with mutt. Did your parents use AJAX as a contraceptive? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "If the Internet really wanted to become sentient, it probably could." - Raph Levien From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 8 23:54:16 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> Message-ID: <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:38:09PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Quite a few people use VIM with Evolution. I use VIM with mutt. So, that means you use Evolution with mutt? How quaint. > Did your parents use AJAX as a contraceptive? JEFF: GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER. HENRY MILLER YOU'RE NOT. -- Bob Bernstein From apost at recalcitrant.org Tue Sep 9 00:00:56 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> Message-ID: <20030909070056.GC393@recalcitrant.org> * Jeff Waugh (jdub@perkypants.org) [030908 23:50]: > > Quite a few people use VIM with Evolution. I use VIM with mutt. With W3M, you can use PICO with YAHOO mail, and get the best of both worlds! From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Tue Sep 9 03:53:50 2003 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Port Jefferson and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 02:54, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:38:09PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > Quite a few people use VIM with Evolution. I use VIM with mutt. > > So, that means you use Evolution with mutt? How quaint. I must hear more about fixing Evolution using Mutt. From necco at relst8.net Tue Sep 9 05:07:08 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> Message-ID: <20030909120708.GA29104@relst8.net> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:38:09PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:41:38PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent > > of San Francisco wrote: > > > > > Yaaaawn. Vim has only done this for YEARS. > > > > I doubt it, not with anything like the same simplicity. But NOBODY uses > > vim for email, nobody. Witness the endless fascination on the garnome list > > with getting evolution to work! > > Quite a few people use VIM with Evolution. I use VIM with mutt. Did your I swear by using vim with mutt. The cool colour sceme I chose for it makes it alot easier to read on a huge res/monitor too. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 9 11:17:10 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> Message-ID: <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 06:53:50AM -0400, Subjugator of Port Jefferson and Conqueror of Long Island wrote: > I must hear more about fixing Evolution using Mutt. Simple. In your ~/.cshrc alias evolution mutt Brain-dead mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging bash-using troglodytes need not apply that specific syntax. -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 9 13:00:16 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Simple. In your ~/.cshrc [...] > Brain-dead mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging bash-using troglodytes > need not apply that specific syntax. Okay, I'll bite. What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that bash can not? What the hell do the csh-derved shells have going for them AT ALL? -- Support your droogs! end From henrik at enberg.org Tue Sep 9 13:06:43 2003 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Tue, 9 Sep 2003 14:17:10 -0400") References: <20030906173002.GA24421@zork.net> <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <87he3lzpyk.fsf@enberg.org> Bob Bernstein writes: > Brain-dead mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging bash-using troglodytes need > not apply that specific syntax. alias evolution='emacs -f gnus' -- Hail Satan From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 9 13:14:32 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <87he3lzpyk.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <87he3lzpyk.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20030909201432.GL28538@zork.net> begin Henrik Enberg quotation: > Hail Satan MAYBE WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER HUK HUK HUK -- Support your droogs! end From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Sep 9 13:15:41 2003 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> References: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030909201541.GA11979@movealong.org> Just now Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > Simple. In your ~/.cshrc > [...] > > Brain-dead mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging bash-using troglodytes > > need not apply that specific syntax. > > Okay, I'll bite. What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that > bash can not? What the hell do the csh-derved shells have going for > them AT ALL? bug compatibility with proprietary unixes. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 9 13:35:17 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909201541.GA11979@movealong.org> References: <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909201541.GA11979@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20030909203517.GB9650@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:15:41PM -0500, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > bug compatibility with proprietary unixes. ^^^^^^ Unices. -- Bob Bernstein From sayler at speedsite.com Tue Sep 9 13:46:35 2003 From: sayler at speedsite.com (Matthew Sayler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> References: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030909204635.GA27167@cesum.speedsite.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:00:16PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > Simple. In your ~/.cshrc > [...] > > Brain-dead mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging bash-using troglodytes > > need not apply that specific syntax. > > Okay, I'll bite. What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that > bash can not? What the hell do the csh-derved shells have going for > them AT ALL? Bill Joy? Matt -- /* Matt Sayler -- Sr. Network Engineer, Speedsite Online * (773) 324-2954 -- sayler@speedsite.com */ From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Sep 9 14:10:10 2003 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909203517.GB9650@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909201541.GA11979@movealong.org> <20030909203517.GB9650@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030909211010.GA26144@movealong.org> Just now Bob Bernstein made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:15:41PM -0500, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > > > bug compatibility with proprietary unixes. > > Unices. No definitions found... perhaps you meant UNICEF. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 9 14:12:47 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> References: <20030908053722.GA16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:00:16PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Okay, I'll bite. And may I say you're a fine American for doing so! > What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that bash can not? What the > hell do the csh-derved shells have going for them AT ALL? begin PMD [1] It's completely arbitrary. As in most genuinely philosophical questions, no amount of empirical evidence (sometimes loosely referred to as "facts") can ever be marshalled sufficient to resolve the matter. Thus, Linux users are brain-washed into thinking bash is superior, strictly on the basis of it being the default install shell, and ditto for csh with bsd'ers. In short, it is, in so many words, an "accident of birth." end PMD [1] PMD = Pathetic MEGO Defense -- Bob Bernstein From andy at strugglers.net Tue Sep 9 14:27:19 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030909212719.GL4470@lug.org.uk> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:12:47PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 01:00:16PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that bash can not? What the > > hell do the csh-derved shells have going for them AT ALL? [...] > In short, it is, in so many words, an "accident of birth." You mean like if the midwife slips and drops the baby on its head, leaving it to go through life as an incompetent and incontinent drooling idiot? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 9 14:49:42 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909212719.GL4470@lug.org.uk> References: <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909212719.GL4470@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20030909214942.GD9650@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 10:27:19PM +0100, Andy Smith wrote: > > In short, it is, in so many words, an "accident of birth." > You mean like if the midwife slips and drops the baby on its head, > leaving it to go through life as an incompetent and incontinent > drooling idiot? If you mean, is it ok for you to translate what I said into terms of reference drawn from your personal life experience, then the answer is Yes, by all means! -- Bob Bernstein From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Tue Sep 9 15:27:39 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030908054839.GA28538@zork.net> <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 05:12:47PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: >Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: >> What the hell can csh/tcsh do any more that bash can not? >Linux users are brain-washed into thinking bash is superior, strictly >on the basis of it being the default install shell I beg your pardon? When I grew up on SunOS (yes, I know...) ksh was the default install shell. In the distro I'm using, pdksh is the default install shell. So why in both cases have I been using bash *anyway*? Perhaps you meant to say that bash is commonly used because it's compatible (for the usual GNU meaning of "compatible", namely "more-or-less works with a lot of silly extensions") with Bourne Shell Classic, whereas csh is mostly compatible with... um... uh... er... with csh? -- Matthew W. Miller From adam at flounder.net Tue Sep 9 15:34:08 2003 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> References: <20030908062941.GB16223@callisto.jtan.com> <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 06:27:39PM -0400, Matthew W. Miller wrote: > I beg your pardon? When I grew up on SunOS (yes, I know...) ksh was the > default install shell. In the distro I'm using, pdksh is the default > install shell. So why in both cases have I been using bash *anyway*? > > Perhaps you meant to say that bash is commonly used because it's > compatible (for the usual GNU meaning of "compatible", namely > "more-or-less works with a lot of silly extensions") with Bourne Shell > Classic, whereas csh is mostly compatible with... um... uh... er... with > csh? I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html --Adam From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Sep 9 16:14:00 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> References: <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> begin Adam McKenna quotation of Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:34:08PM -0700: > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html Yeah, well... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From adam at flounder.net Tue Sep 9 16:23:12 2003 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> References: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030909232312.GM30908@flounder.net> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 04:14:00PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > begin Adam McKenna quotation of Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:34:08PM -0700: > > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - > > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html > > Yeah, well... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html Yeah, well... http://www.yellow5.com/pokey/archive/index98.html --Adam From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 9 16:12:29 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> References: <20030908064137.GB28538@zork.net> <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20030909231229.GA32343@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Adam McKenna quotation: > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html Well, as fun as bashing csh is, who in their right mind would reference an article on perl.com when trying to say what is and isn't a superiour language? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Xl5cjLHcIq3dHxYRAiDbAJ4xI4S8IdppvIWAmByTnnUV7nB5SQCfXZ89 xx1CxN8UrRLOFQA7yEVrNTQ= =3Lcz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Sep 9 16:53:03 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909232312.GM30908@flounder.net> References: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> <20030909232312.GM30908@flounder.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Adam McKenna wrote: > > > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - > > > > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html > > > > Yeah, well... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html > > Yeah, well... http://www.yellow5.com/pokey/archive/index98.html Yeah, well... Hitler. From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Sep 9 17:00:28 2003 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> References: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030910000028.GA22174@movealong.org> Just now Don Marti made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > begin Adam McKenna quotation of Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 03:34:08PM -0700: > > I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this yet - > > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html > > Yeah, well... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html http://slashdot.org/... HA! -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From adam at flounder.net Tue Sep 9 16:57:20 2003 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909231229.GA32343@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> <20030909231229.GA32343@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20030909235720.GP30908@flounder.net> On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 06:12:29PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/language/versus/csh.html > > Well, as fun as bashing csh is, who in their right mind would reference > an article on perl.com when trying to say what is and isn't a superiour > language? The file wasn't available on python.org. --Adam From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Sep 9 17:51:17 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] They're orange, you know In-Reply-To: <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> References: <20030909055724.GB22284@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909063809.GM28080@lazarus> <20030909065416.GC22284@callisto.jtan.com> <1063104830.2965.82171.camel@dante> <20030909181710.GA9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909200016.GJ28538@zork.net> <20030909211247.GC9650@callisto.jtan.com> <20030909222739.GA23928@columbus.rr.com> <20030909223408.GL30908@flounder.net> <20030909231400.GJ16366@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030910005117.GW10351@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > Yeah, well... http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/comment/chech.html What a killjoy that little Web weenie is. -- Cheers, The difference between common sense and paranoia is that common sense Rick Moen is thinking everyone is out to get you. That's normal; they are. rick@linuxmafia.com Paranoia is thinking they're conspiring. -- J. Kegler From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 10 07:31:35 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] great. just great. Message-ID: <200309101031.35659.dep@linuxandmain.com> another round of evil pseudocuteness and asswipe ascii artsigs looms. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/09/09/entertainment/main572351.shtml -- dep Dotcoms were based on the mathematical idea that if you multiply zero by a sufficiently large number, you've got something. -- Douglas Adams From leklund at tastytronic.net Wed Sep 10 08:05:15 2003 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (leklund@tastytronic.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] great. just great. In-Reply-To: <200309101031.35659.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200309101031.35659.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030910150515.GL21170@tastytronic.net> Quoting dep: > another round of evil pseudocuteness and asswipe ascii artsigs looms. So Bill the Cat walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch...... <------- ____ &&& / \ __ _____, `-- | o \' ` &&/ `| | o },-' \____( )__/ ,' \' \ /~~~~~~|. | .}~~~\ ,-----( . | .}--. | . /\___/ `----^,\ \ \\ | ACK!! IT'S DRIVING ME NUTS! \_/ PHFFFFFTTFFFFT!! From neuro at well.com Wed Sep 10 08:27:33 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] great. just great. In-Reply-To: <200309101031.35659.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200309101031.35659.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <3F5F42E5.4070100@well.com> dep wrote: > another round of evil pseudocuteness and asswipe ascii artsigs looms. hey, i represent that remark! -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 10 12:55:59 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030910195557.GN28538@zork.net> Clearly not up to the challenge. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- bitch@evilgenius.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 11 16:35:53 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [fairuse] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund In-Reply-To: <20030911193222.A4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 19:32:22 -0400 References: <20030911193222.A4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030911193553.C4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Let's start a Brianna LaHara Defense fund and Scholarship program! On 2003.09.11 19:32 Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > Brianna LaHara, a 12-year-old honors student from New York caught in > the RIAA's shotgun blast of 261 lawsuits fired blindly into a crowd of > KaZaA users, faced the possibility of fines of between $750,000 and $150 > million before the RIAA announced a settlement had been reached. That > might have seriously cut into her weekly allowance, but Sylvia Torres, > the child's mother, settled late yesterday afternoon for a mere $2,000. > > RIAA spokesperson Amanda Collins declined to comment when asked who had > actually come up with the $2,000 for the settlement, or whether the RIAA > had forgiven the amount in exchange for a quick settlement and comments > afterwards. > > That a quick settlement was needed by the RIAA to try to stop the > bleeding of its public image after the embarrassment of having > unknowingly sued a 12-year-old is beyond question. The news was being > reported everywhere and it had already become fodder for radio talks > yesterday afternoon. > > Perhaps that is why the very first thing the RIAA sent me when I > inquired if they were going to seek the death penalty against Brianna > was their press release detailing the settlement. No mention was made in > the press release, however, of a 71-year-old man who was also reportedly > among those on the receiving end of the RIAA legal action. > > According to the press release, Ms. Torres said after the settlement, > "We understand now that file-sharing the music was illegal. You can be > sure Brianna won't be doing it any more." Brianna stepped up to add: "I > am sorry for what I have done. I love music and don't want to hurt the > artists I love." > > All 260 of the remaining filesharers face the possibility of at least > those same humongous fines noted above. The formula is the range of > punishment the court decides multiplied by the number of infringements. > The RIAA says only the most egregious filesharers were sued, so the > multiplier for each of them is at least 1,000. Under current U.S. > copyright law, the court can award damages of between $750 and $150,000 > per infringement. > > Joe Barr has been writing about technology for 10 years, and about Linux > for five. His work has appeared in IBM Personal Systems Journal, > LinuxGazette, LinuxWorld, Newsforge, phrack, SecurityFocus, and > VARLinux.org. He is the founder of The Dweebspeak Primer, the official > newsletter of the Linux Liberation Army. > > > -- > __________________________ > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > __________________________ > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and > articles from around the net > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown > Brooklyn.... > > 1-718-382-0585 > To stop the messages from coming see http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/appl/fairuse/gone.html > ____________________________ > New Yorkers for Fair Use - > because it's either fair use or useless.... > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From adam at flounder.net Thu Sep 11 17:03:54 2003 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [fairuse] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund In-Reply-To: <20030911193553.C4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030911193222.A4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030911193553.C4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030912000354.GC6245@flounder.net> On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 07:35:53PM -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote: > Let's start a Brianna LaHara Defense fund and Scholarship program! I'm not sure how much good a defense fund would do, considering that she has already settled the case. --Adam From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 11 18:36:48 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [fairuse] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund In-Reply-To: <20030912000354.GC6245@flounder.net>; from adam@flounder.net on Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 20:03:54 -0400 References: <20030911193222.A4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030911193553.C4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030912000354.GC6245@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20030911213648.A5635@www2.mrbrklyn.com> We can give her a reward for getting sued, and repay the settlement and give her a scholarship! On 2003.09.11 20:03 Adam McKenna wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2003 at 07:35:53PM -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote: > > Let's start a Brianna LaHara Defense fund and Scholarship program! > > I'm not sure how much good a defense fund would do, considering that she has > already settled the case. > > --Adam > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From tomduffy at dslextreme.com Thu Sep 11 20:49:38 2003 From: tomduffy at dslextreme.com (Tom Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [fairuse] More on the RIAA Lawsuites: We should start a Brianna LaHara Defense Fund In-Reply-To: <20030911213648.A5635@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030911193222.A4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030911193553.C4282@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030912000354.GC6245@flounder.net> <20030911213648.A5635@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <1063338577.8340.4.camel@biznatch> On Thu, 2003-09-11 at 18:36, Rubn wrote: > We can give her a reward for getting sued, and repay the settlement > and give her a scholarship! Dude. What is your obsession with 12 year old girls? You really should not post to this list with your twisted deviances...especially if you are a top. -- After switching to Mozilla, the only pop-ups I get when visiting a porn site are in my pants. -- zulux From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Sat Sep 13 14:06:02 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Confidentiality at the Reference desk. Boston Public Library. Message-ID: Q: If I email the library with a reference question will it be kept confidential? A: Yes, it is part of an intellectual pursuit which is protected by Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 78, Section 7. Q: If I email the library with a suggestion about your services will it be kept confidential? A: No, as it is not part of an intellectual pursuit it is a matter of public record according to Massachusetts General Laws Chapter 66, Section 10. Q: If I email the library with a request for an administrative operations document will it be kept confidential? A: No. Q: If I email the library will you give my address to outside parties? A: No, all personal information is for internal use only. We may use your email address for notices and library promotions. Boston Public Library BPL [ logo http://www.bpl.org/graphics/logo-home.gif ] Copley Square 700 Boylston Street Boston Massachusetts 02116 617.536.5400 www.bpl.org September 12, 2003 Bernie Margolis and I wanted to share this draft document with you at the same time that it is being made live for staff and public review and comment. Please let us know if you have suggestions for consideration by the staff who have been working on the preparation of the Policy. Sincerely yours Ruth E. Kowal Director of Operations Books are just the beginning. [ tag line http://www.bpl.org/news/campaign.htm ] Draft 9//9/2003 Draft policy note: items in red will be live links on the web version The Boston Public Library is committed to user confidentiality. The confidentiality of library records is a core part of library ethics and the Boston Public Library follows the Code of Ethics of the American Library Association [ http://www.ala.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Our_Association/Offices/Intellectual_Freedom3/Statements_and_Policies/Code_of_Ethics/Code_of_Ethics.htm ] Confidentiality and your library record Under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 78, Section 7 "That part of the records of a public library which reveals the identity and intellectual pursuits of a person using such library shall not be a public record..." Confidentiality extends to information sought or received, and materials consulted, borrowed and includes database search records, reference interviews, circulation records, interlibrary loan transactions, registration records and all other personally identifiable uses of library materials, facilities, or services. Circulation, registration information and information retrieval records may not be disclosed except to: 1. The card holder with card or other proper id. Note: This is regardless of age or relationship. For example, parents cannot be told what materials a child has checked out without the child's consent. 2. Staff of MetroBoston Library Network members acting within the scope of their duties in the administration of the library system and in facilitating interlibrary loans. 3. Persons authorized by the card holder to access the individual's records identified by a signed note of permission given by the card holder. 4. 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Draft 9/9/2003 From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 13 20:59:13 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030914035913.GA12536@zork.net> Fuck all y'all. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- arafiedah@hotmail.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. keith.groves@evolution.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. katyc@ilm.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 13 21:08:38 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030914040838.GB12536@zork.net> DAMN YOU BRAZIL ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- carlos@laviola.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Sun Sep 14 10:13:27 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030914171326.GA24095@zork.net> Crazy! Mailman day was weeks ago! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- james-crackmonkey@and.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 15 12:50:30 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030915195030.GF3632@zork.net> It's been a while. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- christine@dibona.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From carlos at laviola.org Sat Sep 13 20:31:12 2003 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hitler or Shitler? Message-ID: <20030914033112.GD13685@laviola.org> http://ashen.users.btopenworld.com/fof/fof.htm -- Carlos Laviola From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 16 12:38:54 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Those wacky French! Message-ID: <20030916193854.GA25524@callisto.jtan.com> The Wall Street Journal September 16, 2003 REVIEW & OUTLOOK Another French Twist Secretary of State Colin Powell was mighty peeved when the French opposed a U.N. resolution to support war in Iraq after he'd told President Bush they would not. Now that President Bush is seeking a new U.N. resolution for post-Saddam Iraq, we're soon going to see if the French have fooled Mr. Powell again. The Secretary has assured Mr. Bush that this time he can get the U.N. resolution, and it is true that many nations now seem cooperative. That includes the Chinese and notably the Russians, as well as the U.N. Secretary General himself, Kofi Annan. The August truck-bombing of the U.N. mission in Baghdad seems to have jolted Mr. Annan into recognition that terrorism isn't merely an American problem. An August 28 internal Pentagon memo to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld noted that "State has proposed" U.N. Security Council resolution "language that would 'authorize' a stability force in Iraq -- under our command -- and call on member states to join it. We think this is good language and we seek your approval." The memo, written by Assistant Secretary Peter Rodman, added that "State thinks the language will work in New York. It echoes the UNSCR which the French obtained to endorse their intervention in the Ivory Coast in February!" Mr. Rumsfeld initialed his approval. Far from approving the State Department language at the U.N., however, the French have so far rejected Mr. Powell's draft. First they insisted that the Coalition Provisional Authority be turned over to the U.N., an idea the U.S. rejected. Then, during this weekend's talks, the French turned to insisting that decision-making power in Iraq be turned over within weeks to the Iraqi Governing Council. This sudden French insistence on Iraqi self-rule is touching given their opposition to toppling Saddam Hussein's dictatorship. And surely the French know that no one wants to turn authority over to Iraqis more than the U.S. does, as soon as they are ready. The ploy is so transparently cynical that it suggests the French goal is to find some excuse, any excuse, to draw out negotiations as long as possible, or to gain as many commercial concessions as possible for French companies. Mr. Powell put his best spin on the failed weekend talks, but the more important question is how long he will let the French play this game. How much time does anyone really need to work out these details? The U.S. will continue to bear the vast majority of the burden -- human and financial -- for rebuilding Iraq no matter what the U.N. does. If the goal here is really to confer some U.N. imprimatur on the postwar rebuilding of Iraq, then let's get on with it. The French don't have the troops to help much anyway, and we doubt they'll be contributing much cash. Mr. Bush wants the U.N. endorsement so the Turks, the Indians and perhaps other countries can use it as a fig leaf to justify their own troop contributions. We shouldn't have to indulge French mischief to get that permission. Mr. Powell -- and the U.S. -- ought simply to give the French a deadline to declare their support or opposition. Then present a resolution to the U.N. Security Council and dare the French to veto it. If they won't accept language for Iraq similar to what they received for their little incursion in Ivory Coast earlier this year, then the world will see French anti-Americanism for what it clearly is. URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106367512836003400,00.html -- Bob Bernstein From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 16 12:43:21 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How not to write a null SMTP server. Message-ID: <20030916194321.GB26339@zork.net> That is super wrong. ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- From: Richard Todd [For those of you who haven't heard, Verisign is now wildcarding *.net to one of their machines. The machine has a fake SMTP server on it which discards inbound mail traffic. Their fake SMTP server is really lame, see below. --rmt] From: "Karl A. Krueger" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Re: Verisign kills a useful anti-spam tactic Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Graeme Leith wrote: > telnet hggdjebddkslsnfv.net 25 > Trying 64.94.110.11... > Connected to hggdjebddkslsnfv.net. > Escape character is '^]'. > 220 snubby4-wceast Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready It's stupider than that: [lovecraft:~] karl% telnet siuoiteoityieoryut.net 25 Trying 64.94.110.11... Connected to sitefinder-idn.verisign.com. Escape character is '^]'. 220 snubby4-wcwest Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 ready poit 250 OK poit 250 OK poit 550 User domain does not exist. poit 250 OK poit 221 snubby4-wcwest Snubby Mail Rejector Daemon v1.3 closing transmission channe l Connection closed by foreign host. Yes, that's right. It doesn't matter what a client says, Verithief's "stub" mail server says 220, 250, 250, 550, 250, 221-close. This is presumably the SMTP equivalent of flipping one's finger over one's lip and going "buh buh buh". -- Karl A. Krueger Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Email address is spamtrapped. s/example/whoi/ "Outlook not so good." -- Magic 8-Ball Software Reviews ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From apost at recalcitrant.org Tue Sep 16 12:52:11 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Those wacky French! In-Reply-To: <20030916193854.GA25524@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030916193854.GA25524@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030916195210.GT393@recalcitrant.org> * Bob Bernstein (rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us) [030916 12:48]: > > The ploy is so transparently cynical that it suggests the French > goal is to find some excuse, any excuse, to draw out negotiations as > long as possible, or to gain as many commercial concessions as > possible for French companies. Say it isn't so! I thought the French government was out to protect PEACE and FREEDOM! Oh wait, no, that's the US Government, which is somehow very different from all others. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 16 12:56:41 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Duh Message-ID: <20030916195641.GC25524@callisto.jtan.com> Gleaned from the snort list: --- snip --- > Hi, > In my acid GUI i can see attacks from: > Http://199.107.65.177 with SID:498 > > And if i put that ip number in my browser i get on the snort site! Have a look at the rule and see what it does. And I dare to bet that this mail will trigger your snort as well, as it contains the string uid=0(root) as well :) Cheers! --- snip --- Sure enough: "Received: (qmail 14117 invoked by uid 0); 15 Sep 2003 15:57:54 +0200" SO IF YOU KNOW THAT WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING IT? ARRRGGHHH! -- Bob Bernstein From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Wed Sep 17 04:47:48 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hitler or Shitler? In-Reply-To: <20030914033112.GD13685@laviola.org> References: <20030914033112.GD13685@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20030917114748.GA22960@columbus.rr.com> On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 12:31:12AM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: [ an URL ] b3ta is fine, but "Stalin vs Hitler" is much nicer! http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/ -- Matthew W. Miller From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 17 11:01:02 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used for. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- erikb@sno.pp.se has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 17 11:16:55 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> Message-ID: <200309171416.55344.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Nick Moffitt: | Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used | for. yeah. before long you'll be picking people at random for strip searches and xraying our shoes. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 17 11:20:45 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <200309171416.55344.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <200309171416.55344.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030917182045.GA13625@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > quoth Nick Moffitt: > | Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used > | for. > > yeah. before long you'll be picking people at random for strip searches > and xraying our shoes. The future of this country depends on the economic viability of Foxy Boxing. Please support my bill to make all other forms of boxing illegal! -- Support your droogs! end From necco at relst8.net Wed Sep 17 11:32:09 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030917183209.GA27291@relst8.net> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 11:01:02AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used > for. > 1. subscribe to crackmonkey 2. ????? 3. profit! (and unsubscribe) Obviously something is missing. Advice: shut it down for retooling, then come back next septemember with the promise of more pop culture parodies, scantly clad womens, *bsd, beer, explosions, swearing, and culture clash humour! everybody wang chung tonight! -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From henrik at enberg.org Wed Sep 17 13:54:50 2003 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:01:02 -0700") References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> Message-ID: <8765jr3zl1.fsf@enberg.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used > for. Well, make it go faster. this is the only list I've ever been on that takes 30 to 45 minutes for a message to roundtrip. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 17 14:24:27 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 14:01:02 -0400 References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> And complaining about Libraries in Boston On 2003.09.17 14:01 Nick Moffitt wrote: > Departures and arrivals are becoming the only thing this list is used > for. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > erikb@sno.pp.se has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Support your droogs! > > end > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 17 14:40:39 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > And complaining about Libraries in Boston sometimes we also complain about morons who top-post From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 17 14:44:30 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 17:40:39 -0400 References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Top posting is the only proper way Bottom posting is anal On 2003.09.17 17:40 #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > And complaining about Libraries in Boston > > sometimes we also complain about morons who top-post > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 17 15:08:12 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <200309171808.12181.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Ruben I Safir: | Top posting is the only proper way | | Bottom posting is anal depends on your outlook. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From liiwi at lonesom.pp.fi Wed Sep 17 15:39:35 2003 From: liiwi at lonesom.pp.fi (Jaakko Niemi) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> (Ruben I. Safir's message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:44:30 -0400") References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <87r82fdopk.fsf@jumper.lonesom.pp.fi> Ruben I Safir writes: > Top posting is the only proper way > > Bottom posting is anal Just like joor sig. --j From necco at relst8.net Wed Sep 17 15:41:37 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030917224137.GA28044@relst8.net> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 05:44:30PM -0400, Ruben I Safir wrote: > Top posting is the only proper way > > Bottom posting is anal > top quoting is uteral! -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From necco at relst8.net Wed Sep 17 17:45:15 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030918002302.GD431@kropt> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917224137.GA28044@relst8.net> <20030918002302.GD431@kropt> Message-ID: <20030918004515.GA28378@relst8.net> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:23:02PM -0400, bker@yage.net wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 06:41:37PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > > top quoting is uteral! > > Or maybe even urethral. > > ps: sexist > feh, whatever. /me = asexual[1] I don't know what goes in where, but I hear some people say it's fun! [1] Lacking interest in or desire for sex. (American Heriage Dictionary's 3rd defination) -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From bker at yage.net Wed Sep 17 19:03:30 2003 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030918004515.GA28378@relst8.net> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917224137.GA28044@relst8.net> <20030918002302.GD431@kropt> <20030918004515.GA28378@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030918020330.GA2578@kropt> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:45:15PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > I don't know what goes in where, but I hear some people say it's fun! At first it's fun, then it's really really fun, and then suddenly it's not so fun anymore. -- b. keroack "The bourgeois man is not an individual. He is not a real person (although if he was, he would probably live in Connecticut). He is a cancer inside all of us. He can now be cured." Bourgeoisie, or the Tyranny of the Hair Dryer CrimethInc. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 17 19:31:28 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030918020330.GA2578@kropt> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030918004515.GA28378@relst8.net> <20030918020330.GA2578@kropt> Message-ID: <200309172231.28615.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth bker@yage.net: | On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 08:45:15PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: | > I don't know what goes in where, but I hear some people say it's | > fun! | | At first it's fun, then it's really really fun, and then suddenly | it's not so fun anymore. until you run into the really cute nurse in the e.r. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Wed Sep 17 19:38:04 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read Message-ID: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> War in the Absence of Strategic Clarity More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab World. By Mark Helprin http://www.claremont.org/writings/crb/fall2003/helprin.html -- Bob Bernstein From bker at yage.net Wed Sep 17 20:21:27 2003 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:38:04PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab > World. A B-52 into the Taj Mahal should do the trick nicely, I think. ps: wake me when the US 'wins' in Iraq -- b. keroack "The bourgeois man is not an individual. He is not a real person (although if he was, he would probably live in Connecticut). He is a cancer inside all of us. He can now be cured." Bourgeoisie, or the Tyranny of the Hair Dryer CrimethInc. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 17 20:23:50 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt>; from bker@yage.net on Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 23:21:27 -0400 References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> Message-ID: <20030917232350.A14827@www2.mrbrklyn.com> One Nuke on Mecca On 2003.09.17 23:21 bker@yage.net wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:38:04PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab > > World. > > A B-52 into the Taj Mahal should do the trick nicely, I think. > > ps: wake me when the US 'wins' in Iraq > > -- > b. keroack > "The bourgeois man is not an individual. He is not a real person > (although if he was, he would probably live in Connecticut). He is a > cancer inside all of us. He can now be cured." > Bourgeoisie, or the Tyranny of the Hair Dryer > CrimethInc. > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From neuro at well.com Wed Sep 17 21:36:27 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <3F69364B.3080708@well.com> Bob Bernstein wrote: > War in the Absence of Strategic Clarity > More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab > World. I can see it now. Roll up a copy of the New York Times (or whichever chunky broadsheet you prefer) and wander around the middle east stunning people on the head with it. Think of the meeja possibilities. There could be a TV show for it (vote which of these five people gets stunned by the rolled up newspaper next, just call this 900 number!). Dave Gorman could write a book about it. It could be the next Survivor. You heard it here first. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From neuro at well.com Wed Sep 17 21:39:13 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917172427.A10738@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <3F6936F1.3090101@well.com> Ruben I Safir wrote: > Top posting is the only proper way > > Bottom posting is anal DO U ACCPT SEXKEY FOR UR ANAL P0STS???/ -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 17 20:48:53 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> Message-ID: <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence bker@yage.net quotation: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:38:04PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > More than merely winning the war in Iraq, we needed to stun the Arab > > World. > > A B-52 into the Taj Mahal should do the trick nicely, I think. Not really up on our geography, are we? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/aSsjjLHcIq3dHxYRAuFCAJ0S5k/WMr/tEVpfUI/S/8kVLcNaNACeJ+AM xe8ZysegMLKSizMjqZmGJgg= =Cy75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 17 23:03:46 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:53 CDT." <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200309180603.h8I63kOQ010440@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:53 CDT, Brian Danger Hicks said: > Not really up on our geography, are we? The criteria was "Stun the arab world". I think a B-52 into the Taj Mahal would certainly create enough "WTF???" to qualify as "Stun". Especially if we sent in some Special Forces teams in beforehand to spray paint the minarets orange and hang huge ship's wheels from them. From radix42 at cox.net Thu Sep 18 03:16:25 2003 From: radix42 at cox.net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <200309180603.h8I63kOQ010440@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030918023804.GF25524@callisto.jtan.com> <20030918032127.GC2578@kropt> <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030918031554.024e4008@pop.west.cox.net> At 11:03 PM 9/17/2003, you wrote: >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:53 CDT, Brian Danger Hicks > said: > > > Not really up on our geography, are we? > >The criteria was "Stun the arab world". I think a B-52 into the Taj Mahal >would >certainly create enough "WTF???" to qualify as "Stun". Especially if we >sent in >some Special Forces teams in beforehand to spray paint the minarets orange >and hang huge ship's wheels from them. The Taj Mahal is in INDIA you idiot, no Arabs in site. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 18 05:00:04 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030918031554.024e4008@pop.west.cox.net> References: <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030918031554.024e4008@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <200309180800.04544.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth David Mercer: | At 11:03 PM 9/17/2003, you wrote: | >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:53 CDT, Brian Danger Hicks | > | > said: | > > Not really up on our geography, are we? | > | >The criteria was "Stun the arab world". I think a B-52 into the Taj | > Mahal would | >certainly create enough "WTF???" to qualify as "Stun". Especially | > if we sent in | >some Special Forces teams in beforehand to spray paint the minarets | > orange and hang huge ship's wheels from them. | | The Taj Mahal is in INDIA you idiot, no Arabs in site. no, no, no. knocking out the taj mahal would be a signal to pakistan that we support their annexation of kashmir and they would love us again. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 18 05:22:27 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tonight's Must Read In-Reply-To: <200309180800.04544.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 08:00:04 -0400 References: <20030918034853.GB27370@8ball.wox.org> <5.2.0.9.0.20030918031554.024e4008@pop.west.cox.net> <200309180800.04544.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030918082227.A23740@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Why stop there. We can send troops into the Indian Parliment and kill them all. Oh forget that idea, the Pakastani radicals have beat us to it. Ruben On 2003.09.18 08:00 dep wrote: > quoth David Mercer: > | At 11:03 PM 9/17/2003, you wrote: > | >On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:48:53 CDT, Brian Danger Hicks > | > > | > said: > | > > Not really up on our geography, are we? > | > > | >The criteria was "Stun the arab world". I think a B-52 into the Taj > | > Mahal would > | >certainly create enough "WTF???" to qualify as "Stun". Especially > | > if we sent in > | >some Special Forces teams in beforehand to spray paint the minarets > | > orange and hang huge ship's wheels from them. > | > | The Taj Mahal is in INDIA you idiot, no Arabs in site. > > no, no, no. knocking out the taj mahal would be a signal to pakistan > that we support their annexation of kashmir and they would love us > again. > -- > dep > > Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From pgl at yoyo.org Thu Sep 18 13:22:11 2003 From: pgl at yoyo.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <200309171808.12181.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030917180102.GI3018@zork.net> <20030917174430.A10933@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309171808.12181.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030918202211.GA22026@yoyo.org> On Sep 18, dep wrote: > quoth Ruben I Safir: > | Top posting is the only proper way > | > | Bottom posting is anal > > depends on your outlook. which version? -- The Czech Republic: Home of the world's finest beer. Litres drunk by Czechs so far this year: 1,172,628,618.63 - http://prague.tv/toys/beer/ From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 18 14:54:50 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] your friends at verisign Message-ID: <200309181754.50943.dep@linuxandmain.com> goddammed fucking bloodsucking assholes. on a *good* day. some would argue that they rival even the boston public library. i hope they bleed painfully from their recta until they die in a pool of stinking pus. which is to say that after contemplation, i believe their action is ill-advised and may well prove counterproductive: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5078657.html?tag=zdnnfd.main -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 18 15:32:01 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? Message-ID: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://anglegrinderman.co.uk/ -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 18 16:08:18 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > http://anglegrinderman.co.uk/ Goddamn pissy driver wanks. OH NO WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR PUBLIC TRANSPORT WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I suppose all those motorways and traffic lights just PAY FOR THEMSELVES THEN. The moment the folks who BUILT the damn things try to use a little FREE MARKET KNOWHOW in come the vandals with buzzsaws and babble about the RIGHTS OF THE GODDAMN DRIVER. Tell it to the innocents who were mowed down at the Santa Monica farmer's market because some blind geriatric didn't want to give up his precious motorcar. -- Support your droogs! end From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 18 16:39:20 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> Message-ID: <200309181939.20467.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco: | Tell it to the innocents who were mowed down at the Santa | Monica farmer's market because some blind geriatric didn't want to | give up his precious motorcar. it was an object lesson to remind them not to stray from their aromatherapy candles and stammering of "om." new age religions are harsh in their punishment. -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From andy at strugglers.net Thu Sep 18 16:38:17 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 04:08:18PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin dep quotation: > > http://anglegrinderman.co.uk/ > > Goddamn pissy driver wanks. OH NO WE DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR > PUBLIC TRANSPORT WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I suppose > all those motorways and traffic lights just PAY FOR THEMSELVES THEN. > The moment the folks who BUILT the damn things try to use a little > FREE MARKET KNOWHOW in come the vandals with buzzsaws and babble about > the RIGHTS OF THE GODDAMN DRIVER. Do you have much experience of car clamping in England and Wales? In Scotland, Angle Grinder Man is not needed since the courts decided that clamping someone's vehicle and then demanding a huge amount of money to release it was illegal (extortion). Do you realise that car clamping is not part of the legal system in England/Wales, it is a private measure taken by property owners and councils. So, they are not carrying out any legal enforcement when they clamp a vehicle. Most places that engage in car clamping do so as a profit-making activity, not as a traffic-management activity. However, I agree that in general, there is a lot to be said for not having a car. -- "I remember the first time I made love. Perhaps it was not love exactly but I made it and it still works." -- The League Against Tedium From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 18 18:38:04 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20030919013804.GA31666@www2.mrbrklyn.com> And a lot of time to say it while sitting in from of the coal burning hearth. > > However, I agree that in general, there is a lot to be said for not > having a car. > > -- > "I remember the first time I made love. Perhaps it was not love exactly but I > made it and it still works." > -- The League Against Tedium > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 18 18:41:12 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'll eat your pitbull Message-ID: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> http://www.nature.com/nsu/030915/030915-11.html This is the name of the next GNOME project! Ruben -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 18 18:51:26 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Go east young man In-Reply-To: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030919015126.GB31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Move to Brookyln, where it is SAFE! http://www.nature.com/nsu/021021/021021-10.html From necco at relst8.net Thu Sep 18 18:57:39 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'll eat your pitbull In-Reply-To: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030919015739.GA1544@relst8.net> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:41:12PM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote: > http://www.nature.com/nsu/030915/030915-11.html > > This is the name of the next GNOME project! > PETA surrenders. Eastern Asia sets the table. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 18 18:57:35 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'll eat your pitbull In-Reply-To: <20030919015739.GA1544@relst8.net> References: <20030919014112.GA31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030919015739.GA1544@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030919015735.GC31696@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Good I always liked a Guinnie Pig coat Ruben On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:57:39PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:41:12PM -0400, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote: > > http://www.nature.com/nsu/030915/030915-11.html > > > > This is the name of the next GNOME project! > > > > PETA surrenders. > > Eastern Asia sets the table. > > -- > . \ ` ' / . > ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling > [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net > /_____\ > Justified > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 18 19:59:45 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> begin Andy Smith quotation: > > The moment the folks who BUILT the damn things try to use a little > > FREE MARKET KNOWHOW in come the vandals with buzzsaws and babble > > about the RIGHTS OF THE GODDAMN DRIVER. > > Do you have much experience of car clamping in England and Wales? Buddy, I don't even have a MERKIN driver's license. What the hell makes you think I'd know how gubble-gubble Cymrudians drive? -- Support your droogs! end From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 18 20:00:42 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030919013804.GA31666@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919013804.GA31666@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030919030042.GE6314@zork.net> begin Rubn I Safir quotation: > And a lot of time to say it while sitting in from of the coal > burning hearth. Jesux. Where do you live, Cork? -- Support your droogs! end From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Thu Sep 18 23:04:44 2003 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Port Jefferson and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> Message-ID: <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:59, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Buddy, I don't even have a MERKIN driver's license. Gee, I thought I was the only merkin left that doesn't. (or the non-driver ID) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 19 00:11:01 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> References: <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> Message-ID: <20030919071101.GF6314@zork.net> begin Subjugator of Port Jefferson and Conqueror of Long Island quotation: > On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:59, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San > Francisco wrote: > > Buddy, I don't even have a MERKIN driver's license. > > Gee, I thought I was the only merkin left that doesn't. (or the > non-driver ID) I haven't seen the inside of the DMV. I don't plan to, either. -- Support your droogs! end From radix42 at cox.net Fri Sep 19 02:35:07 2003 From: radix42 at cox.net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030919071101.GF6314@zork.net> References: <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> At 12:11 AM 9/19/2003, you wrote: >begin Subjugator of Port Jefferson and Conqueror of Long Island >quotation: > > On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 22:59, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San > > Francisco wrote: > > > Buddy, I don't even have a MERKIN driver's license. > > > > Gee, I thought I was the only merkin left that doesn't. (or the > > non-driver ID) > > I haven't seen the inside of the DMV. I don't plan to, >either. Fortunately I have an AZ drivers license, which is good for 40 years, so I don't have to periodically update Ashcroft and friends on my whereabouts every 4 years, like in some states. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 19 09:41:49 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> References: <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030919164149.GG6314@zork.net> begin David Mercer quotation: > Fortunately I have an AZ drivers license, which is good for 40 > years, so I don't have to periodically update Ashcroft and friends > on my whereabouts every 4 years, like in some states. Well, then I'm sure you'll be driving your motorcar well into incompetence and senility. I hope you kill only yourself. -- Support your droogs! end From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 19 09:52:04 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Talk Like A Pirate Day! Message-ID: <20030919165204.GD27370@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In honor of Talk Like a Pirate Day, here's a joke: So this frog came into a bank looking for a small business loan. After a short wait, the bank representative, a man named Paddywhack, greeted him and invited the frog back to his office. Paddywhack asked the frog to fill out a loan application, at which point the frog pulled out an already complete form. Looking it over, Paddywhack asked what sort of collateral the frog could offer The frog said he didn't have much money, but he said he did have something, and pulled a small glass statuette out of his pocket, insisting that it was worth a lot. Paddywhack, expecting the loan to be denied, called the bank manager to the office to give the final say on the loan. What Paddywhack didn't count on was that the bank manager and the frog were old fraternaty brothers, so when the bank manager came in and Paddywhack showed the loan application and the statuette to him, the bank manager simply said, "It's a knick-knack, Paddywhack, give the frog a loan." - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/azQyjLHcIq3dHxYRAtLRAJ4wbiYmtGgNdEDo5qM/jC+kpBvwEgCeO4XN agHIrqJTc5W4nSadzsUh/Gg= =LZ5J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ian at halliday.com Fri Sep 19 12:15:36 2003 From: ian at halliday.com (Halliday, Ian) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pirates and driving licences Message-ID: <20030920071536.1207132304.ian@halliday.com> begin He missed out the fact that Paddywhack's last name was Jagger, so that the punchline ends with "his old man's a Rolling Stone". In New Zealand, not far from Austria, driving licences were supposed to be for life, but the Government decided that they would not be valid any longer, and everyone was required to get a new photo id licence, which also stored all your personal info in a big-ass computer box. It's also illegal to forget to tell them if you move house. Yes, there have been prosecutions of people who insist that when the Government says it's good for life, they should mean it. Apparently that's not the case. I wonder if it's the same in Arizona? Ian -- Ian W Halliday, BA Hons, AAIBF Snr, ATMS, CL +64 27 245 6089 (GMT+12) http://baptism.co.nz ; http://ringbark.livejournal.com -- Word documents not accepted -- see http://baptism.co.nz/word.html From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 19 13:39:13 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pirates and driving licences In-Reply-To: <20030920071536.1207132304.ian@halliday.com> References: <20030920071536.1207132304.ian@halliday.com> Message-ID: <20030919203913.GE27370@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Halliday, Ian quotation: > begin He missed out the fact that Paddywhack's last name was Jagger, > so that the punchline ends with "his old man's a Rolling Stone". No, I didn't put that part in because I think it's stupid. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/a2lvjLHcIq3dHxYRAqBtAKD+KONQ2T0lx2YnUe7BGapGMHPpDQCgrAJL zwyHsO1oBmoyz6sbzjCYlAg= =64X8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From radix42 at cox.net Fri Sep 19 17:11:04 2003 From: radix42 at cox.net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <20030919164149.GG6314@zork.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919170737.0235c008@pop.west.cox.net> At 09:41 AM 9/19/2003, you wrote: >begin David Mercer quotation: > > Fortunately I have an AZ drivers license, which is good for 40 > > years, so I don't have to periodically update Ashcroft and friends > > on my whereabouts every 4 years, like in some states. > > Well, then I'm sure you'll be driving your motorcar well into >incompetence and senility. I hope you kill only yourself. Well I don't actually have a car, and haven't most of my adult life. For the most part I find them to be annoying, expensive, nasty death traps. But having been licensed 16 years with no moving violations or accidents, I actually am a 'better than average' driver. I also think most persons should NOT be allowed behind the wheel, as they are generally too stupid, oblivious or intoxicated to operate such a machine safely. From necco at relst8.net Fri Sep 19 17:28:10 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919170737.0235c008@pop.west.cox.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919170737.0235c008@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030920002810.GA5625@relst8.net> On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 05:11:04PM -0700, David Mercer wrote: > At 09:41 AM 9/19/2003, you wrote: > >begin David Mercer quotation: > >> Fortunately I have an AZ drivers license, which is good for 40 > >> years, so I don't have to periodically update Ashcroft and friends > >> on my whereabouts every 4 years, like in some states. > > > > Well, then I'm sure you'll be driving your motorcar well into > >incompetence and senility. I hope you kill only yourself. > > > Well I don't actually have a car, and haven't most of my adult life. > For the most part I find them to be annoying, expensive, nasty death > traps. But having been licensed 16 years with no moving violations > or accidents, I actually am a 'better than average' driver. I also > think most persons should NOT be allowed behind the wheel, as they > are generally too stupid, oblivious or intoxicated to operate such > a machine safely. > it's utopian segway advocates like you who are killing the electric car industry -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 19 17:34:45 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] has rob levin gotten a life? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919170737.0235c008@pop.west.cox.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <200309181832.01987.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030918230818.GB6314@zork.net> <20030918233816.GD5284@lug.org.uk> <20030919025945.GD6314@zork.net> <1063951483.14969.84511.camel@dante> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919023351.0246acb8@pop.west.cox.net> <5.2.0.9.0.20030919170737.0235c008@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <20030920003445.GA11776@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence David Mercer quotation: > Well I don't actually have a car, and haven't most of my adult life. > For the most part I find them to be annoying, expensive, nasty death > traps. But having been licensed 16 years with no moving violations > or accidents, I actually am a 'better than average' driver. I also > think most persons should NOT be allowed behind the wheel, as they > are generally too stupid, oblivious or intoxicated to operate such > a machine safely. Yeah, they should definately have some sort of licensing or something, probably with written and practical testing, to make sure that everyone driving a car knows how to drive. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/a6CjjLHcIq3dHxYRAiI/AJ93lUCYW8cPmAqD/OBInn1Z3mE0NQCbB8nk UHLwB1EglE6exYWmlHYo/wU= =kNrg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From neuro at well.com Sun Sep 21 09:30:12 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pirates and driving licences In-Reply-To: <20030919203913.GE27370@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030920071536.1207132304.ian@halliday.com> <20030919203913.GE27370@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <3F6DD214.1090400@well.com> Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > commence Halliday, Ian quotation: > >>begin He missed out the fact that Paddywhack's last name was Jagger, >>so that the punchline ends with "his old man's a Rolling Stone". > > > No, I didn't put that part in because I think it's stupid. Also, wouldn't the *toad* have to be called Jagger? -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From nick at zork.net Sun Sep 21 12:17:03 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Down with the proprietary Dewey Decimal System! Long live LC! Message-ID: <20030921191703.GA4519@zork.net> http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ny--deweydecimaldefen0920sep20,0,3455241.story > Each floor is dedicated to one of 10 Dewey categories. The 60 rooms > are named for specific topics, such as room 700.003 for performing > arts, with appropriate books inside. > > Trouble is, the classification system isn't in the public domain. -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 22 12:11:01 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030922191101.GB32505@zork.net> Look what grand stalwarts we have to replace the twits and yahoo users that have deserted us. The list is saved, and no mistake. Also, dongs. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Andrew has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. "rick@rickbradley.com" has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. JPClizbe@comcast.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From rick at rickbradley.com Mon Sep 22 12:54:30 2003 From: rick at rickbradley.com (Rick Bradley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030922191101.GB32505@zork.net> References: <20030922191101.GB32505@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030922195430.GV31331@negwo.eastcore.net> * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) [030922 14:33]: > Look what grand stalwarts we have to replace the twits and yahoo users > that have deserted us. The list is saved, and no mistake. > > Also, dongs. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > Andrew has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. > > "rick@rickbradley.com" has been successfully > subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > JPClizbe@comcast.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- 'Tis a banner day indeed for the likes of [!CrackMonkey!] aesthetes everywhere. Fetch us a bone saw, Nurse. etc., etc., etc. Rick -- http://www.rickbradley.com MUPRN: 307 | war, drums of war, clouds random email haiku | of war. "Don't tell me that things | suddenly went wrong. From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 22 13:33:28 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> Let me guess, this list was posted to a procmail-deficient web forum somewhere. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- crackmonkey@theendless.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dismissed at enomem.net Mon Sep 22 13:48:24 2003 From: dismissed at enomem.net (Dismissed) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030922204824.GA12551@mikamyla.com> Quothe Nick Moffitt , on Mon, Sep 22, 2003: > Let me guess, this list was posted to a procmail-deficient web forum > somewhere. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > crackmonkey@theendless.org has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. As in your endless quips about procmail deficient twits. I get it. -- Fuck the constitution! Are we part of the solution, or part of the pollution? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 22 13:51:50 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030922204824.GA12551@mikamyla.com> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <20030922204824.GA12551@mikamyla.com> Message-ID: <20030922205150.GC1119@zork.net> begin Dismissed quotation: > > crackmonkey@theendless.org has been successfully subscribed to > > CrackMonkey. > > As in your endless quips about procmail deficient twits. > > I get it. You'll get something in a minute. -- Support your droogs! end From necco at relst8.net Mon Sep 22 14:13:51 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030922205150.GC1119@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <20030922204824.GA12551@mikamyla.com> <20030922205150.GC1119@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030922211351.GA17602@relst8.net> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 01:51:50PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Dismissed quotation: > > > crackmonkey@theendless.org has been successfully subscribed to > > > CrackMonkey. > > > > As in your endless quips about procmail deficient twits. > > > > I get it. > > You'll get something in a minute. > roffel ps. ATI TV Cards blow under *bsd -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 22 15:56:27 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." Message-ID: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> The Wall Street Journal September 22, 2003 COMMENTARY A Demon for Our Times By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ Frenzy mounts uncontrolled over John Ashcroft, now considered -- in those quarters touched by the delirium -- enemy number one of the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and all that Americans hold dear. What is the cause of these fevers? Is there a doctor in the house? We may exclude Dr. Howard Dean, running for the Democratic presidential nomination, who has already offered his findings, to wit: "John Ashcroft is not a patriot. John Ashcroft is a descendant of Joseph McCarthy." Sen. John Kerry, once properly -- and eloquently -- infuriated over the campaign of cretinous slanders mounted against John McCain in the last Republican presidential primary, has in turn offered his views on the attorney general. During the Democrats' debate in Baltimore, Candidate Kerry said he saw before him "people of every creed, every color, every belief, every religion. This is indeed John Ashcroft's worst nightmare here." Richard Gephardt, eyes similarly on the prize, has let America know which of our great national concerns he considered most pressing -- a good thing to know about a candidate. The national priority looming largest in his mind is, Mr. Gephardt has let it be known, to fire John Ashcroft in "my first five seconds as president." On the subject of the attorney general, no candidate has waxed more passionate than John Edwards, who warned, "we cannot allow people like John Ashcroft to take away our rights, our freedoms, and our liberties." And further: John Ashcroft and this administration can "spin their wheels all they want about the Patriot Act... they have rolled over our rights for the past two years," says Mr. Edwards, one of the most uncompromisingly staunch Senate supporters of the Patriot Bill when it was passed after September 11 -- a fact the candidate seems to have found little or no occasion to mention in the course of his current crusade. Also among those voting for the bill were Rep. Gephardt, and Sens. Kerry, Lieberman and Graham. * * * It's hardly necessary by now to list all the charges and the alarms being raised about Mr. Ashcroft, by those portraying the attorney general as the menace to civil liberties that should haunt the dreams of all Americans who want to preserve our way of life. This is no exaggeration; the fever has spread wide, fed largely by the American Civil Liberties Union and allied sentinels of freedom, its signs clear in the ads calling on citizens to "Save Our Constitution," in emergency rallies led by the ACLU, and such groups as "Families for a Peaceful Tomorrow," and "The New York Bill of Rights Defense Committee." The attorney general has, declared the New York Civil Liberties Union, "led a massive assault on our most basic rights." Indeed, to hear the aforementioned groups, John Ashcroft is a greater threat to our national life and our freedoms than that posed by terrorists -- a view that itself speaks volumes about the character and disposition of the Constitution-protectors up in arms over Mr. Ashcroft. Then there is the issue of the facts -- a scarce commodity in the oceans of oratory now spilling forth about our threatened Bill of Rights, and about agents spying on Americans' reading habits. In none of the descriptions of the out-of-control attorney general, and accompanying suggestions of incipient Fascism on the march, is there to be found any mention of the truth that the attorney general did not, of course, arrogate to himself the power to extend security measures: he went to the courts for permission. They were put in place only after scrutiny by judges. Likewise, current hair-tearing about secret investigations and library spies notwithstanding, it remains a fact that for decades now, in its pursuit of crimes like money-laundering, the government has been free to prohibit banks from informing clients they were under investigation -- and has done so without any outcry from the ACLU about civil rights violations. The Patriot Act could be said to be imperfect in some areas, a dissident member of the ACLU recently informed me -- but so dishonest was his organization's portrayal of it as a threat to our basic freedoms, he could hardly bring himself to join any argument against it. That ACLU dissidents harbor feelings of disgust at their leadership and its policies shouldn't come as news. For some 20 years now, control of the organization has rested securely in the hands of activists devoted to issues dear to the hearts of the left. No one was surprised when the ACLU of Southern California -- home to the organization's most far-out activists -- undertook the lawsuit to delay the state's recall vote. The ACLU was the first to charge, after Sept. 11, that the government's anti-terrorist measures and detention of terror suspects threatened civil liberties. Even as workers struggled to pull bodies from the mountain of rubble in downtown Manhattan, the ACLU and like-minded allies had begun issuing warnings that government efforts to prevent more terrorist assaults posed greater dangers to the nation -- would destroy our Constitution and the America we have always known -- than the terrorists could possibly do. The arguments found instant acceptance, not surprisingly, among faculty ideologues on the campuses. Who can forget the instantly organized teach-ins, where speakers argued, even as the nation mourned nearly 3,000 dead, that the United States had received just deserts for its policies? Efforts to protect ourselves with rational means of defense -- investigations and apprehension of likely suspects, increased security measures, profiling -- all connected with the spirit of these arguments: We -- not the terrorists so avid for our destruction -- were the enemy that would cause the demise of our democracy. This was, and remains, claptrap of the rankest kind, which the great mass of sane Americans would never buy -- and still, it cannot be ignored. It cannot be ignored, that is, that we are in a time never before seen in this country -- a time produced in part by what remains of the politics and values of the 1960s, but only in part. For even in the '60s, we did not see what we do today -- namely significant quarters of the culture, elite and popular, sympathetic to the views of those home and abroad most hostile to this nation. A time when talk of American "swagger" and "bullying" comes tripping from the tongue. For such times John Ashcroft was a target made to order. Devoutly religious, appointee of George Bush, he could scarcely have been a better fit for the bogeyman figure advanced as the greatest threat to our civil liberties -- the perfect model to fire up the crowds at marches, and breast-beating festivals. Not for nothing do the Democratic presidential candidates out-do themselves denouncing the attorney general: they know, the candidates do, what has filtered down to their base, their main audience, after all. They all know, as John Kerry does, that he can say whatever he wants about John Ashcroft -- that he views, as a nightmare, members of other races creeds and religions, or anything else the Democratic candidate finds convenient -- and it will all be understood, a mark of political virtue. * * * Mr. Ashcroft's detractors were at no time more infuriated -- at least recently -- than when he undertook his journey to various states, to speak up in defense of the USA Patriot Act. Indeed, Janet Reno, former attorney general, was sufficiently exercised by Mr. Ashcroft's journeys to come forward to join the denunciations of his policies. Ms. Reno, whose devotion to civil liberties was best exemplified in 1993, when she ordered tanks in to assault the Branch Davidian compound in Waco -- which exercise resulted in the deaths of 19 children and 57 adults -- has not been heard from for a while. But it is worth remembering that attorney general's notions of due process in a time of emergency. A dangerous situation was becoming more dangerous, Ms. Reno would later explain -- there had been word that children had been sexually abused. In went the tanks and the flammable gas canisters. As far as one can tell, the ACLU launched no protests. The 19 children, were, it could be argued, certainly saved from molestation. Mr. Ashcroft's efforts as attorney general have, as far as anyone knows, resulted in no such mass casualties. Still the hot-eyed demonstrators keep rolling out to shout their denunciations and wave placards saying "R.I.P Civil Rights" and "Here Lies Your Freedom." Much has been invested in the demagoguery portraying John Ashcroft as the most serious threat to our liberties in memory: an investment that has enriched the ACLU's funding coffers, and delivered priceless publicity. No one should expect it to end any time soon. Ms. Rabinowitz is a member of the Journal's editorial board. URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106419252778598700,00.html -- Bob Bernstein From apost at recalcitrant.org Mon Sep 22 16:16:59 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...a majority of the US population believed that Saddam Hussein posed a real and imminent threat..." In-Reply-To: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030922231659.GC9772@recalcitrant.org> http://struggle.ws/wsm/ws/2003/ws76/iraqafter.html "Another feature of this democracy is that, by no means must people be allowed to rule themselves." From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 22 16:20:06 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [lawyerboy@juno.com: [sf-caco] Frankspotting.] Message-ID: <20030922232006.GD1119@zork.net> Beaujolais! ----- Forwarded message from Father Erikson ----- So after the oral arguments in the recall case, it was the usual media circus outside the courthaus. Among the loon fringe candadates for governor waving the signs was...Frank Chu! He sensed the loons waving their signs was to place to be so he joined them (with his standard sign). This too-serious-looking-guy (in a black suit in 90 degree weather) was reading Frank's sign too carefully because Frank caught him and immediately launched into his "Impeach Davis! 12 Galaxies...." The black-suited guy got very confused and didn't know how get himself out of the "conversation." --eric. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 22 18:12:26 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Faceted classification Message-ID: Faceted classification http://www.strangesystems.net/archives/000002.php From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 22 18:18:20 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cotton Cataloguing system Message-ID: Cotton Cataloguing system http://www.alia.org.au/publishing/incite/1999/08/your.voice.html http://www.uky.edu/~kiernan/eBeowulf/ajp-pms.htm Or http://www.cottonusayarns.com/why_info.asp?docu=4 From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 22 18:19:34 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...a majority of the US population believed that Saddam Hussein posed a real and imminent threat..." In-Reply-To: <20030922231659.GC9772@recalcitrant.org> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030922231659.GC9772@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <20030923011934.GB18647@callisto.jtan.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 04:16:59PM -0700, Alan Post wrote: > "Another feature of this democracy is that, by no means must people be > allowed to rule themselves." Ah, that Chekov Feeney certainly knew how to turn a phrase! Whatever happened to the morals charges against him a few years ago? Word on the socialist street was he paid the kid off...and handsomely at that. -- Bob Bernstein From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 22 18:20:51 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Weblogs. Dewey classification. Message-ID: http://www.gamalei.net/syaffolee/2003_08_01_archive.html#106121004445794869 http://www.frieze.com/column_single.asp?c=143 From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 22 18:22:58 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Warburg classification Message-ID: Warburg classification http://www.sas.ac.uk/Warburg/mnemosyne/SUBJECTS.htm http://www.sas.ac.uk/warburg/mnemosyne/Gateway.htm http://www.sas.ac.uk/Warburg/mnemosyne/guide.htm From henrik at enberg.org Mon Sep 22 18:23:47 2003 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification In-Reply-To: (Don Saklad's message of "Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:12:26 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> Don Saklad writes: > Faceted classification Does the BPL use this? From neuro at well.com Mon Sep 22 18:36:42 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> Message-ID: <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> Nick Moffitt wrote: > Let me guess, this list was posted to a procmail-deficient web forum > somewhere. But you say that like it's a bad thing. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 22 18:38:08 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification In-Reply-To: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> (message from Henrik Enberg on Tue, 23 Sep 2003 03:23:47 +0200) References: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: Thank you for your interest Henrik Enberg ! Here's a relevant link http://www.bpl.org/guides/callnumbers.htm There is the old BPL classification of Nathaniel Bradstreet Shurtleff at [ http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=moa;idno=AFA0189 ] Cheers! and kind regards, oo__ Don Warner Saklad Collaborative WebLog A guide to problematical Boston Public Library Use http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.WebLogs.com/faq http://GuideToProblematicalLibraryUse.blog-city.com http://zork.net/~dsaklad From unknown at panax.com Mon Sep 22 18:49:44 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> Message-ID: <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> On 23-Sep-2003, William Anderson wrote: > But you say that like it's a bad thing. Yeah, it could be worse: We could have a bunch of gnu/lunix users subscribed to the list. -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 22 21:19:30 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Stratfor having one hell of a good time Message-ID: <20030923041930.GA14583@callisto.jtan.com> From: "Strategic Forecasting" To: Subject: Morning Intelligence Brief Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:00:30 -0500 Geopolitical Diary: Monday, Sept. 22, 2003 The Sunday Mirror, one of the less reputable newspapers in Britain -- and that's saying quite a lot -- published a story today claiming that the United States has been negotiating for nine days with representatives of former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein about Hussein's wish to go into exile in Belarus. The story, with its confused and confusing details, normally would be of little interest -- except for the manner in which the United States denied it. The only denial we could find today came from Lt. Col. William McDonald of the 4th Infantry Division. When queried about the story, McDonald said, "The 4th Infantry Division has not had any contact with any former regime members regarding Saddam Hussein's disposition." That's pretty reasonable. We wouldn't think that the disposition of Hussein and his money would be handled at the divisional level. McDonald clearly stated the truth, but didn't answer the question. In fact, he wouldn't know the answer to the question. The story appeared around midnight Sept. 20, Washington, D.C., time. By morning, Agence France-Presse and other wire services around the world had picked it up. A story published by the Sunday Mirror can be ignored. But when the story starts circulating on the wires, it's time to put a bullet in its head. However, by late Sept. 21, no one in Washington had said that this was the stupidest idea that they'd ever heard and that only a nitwit would believe something published in a London tabloid. They could have. They should have. They didn't. In nearly 24 hours, the only comment we have is from a light colonel in a combat division's public affairs office. To be frank, we doubt that he would have issued even that denial without clearing it with Central Command's public affairs office. By the time Reuters had the story this morning, the colonel wouldn't care if it had originated in a London tabloid. He was facing an explosive story and being questioned by the wire services. Even if he had invented a cover-your-butt explanation on his own, it was on the wires before noon Washington and Tampa, Fla., time. Meaning there was ample time for some minor functionary at the Pentagon to step forward and deny everything at a level slightly higher than the 4th Infantry Division. Didn't happen. Meaning that people at places like Stratfor, who spent the day waiting for a definitive denial, will start the kind of harmful speculation that U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld hates and could have avoided with a simple denial issued by a deputy assistant of something or other. Having no intelligence to work with, let's approach this from a purely unfounded, speculative point of view. We know that the U.S. command has been talking intensely with the Shiites. We know that the number of attacks by the guerrillas has been dwindling, even though their effectiveness has been rising. We also know that the guerrillas appear to be made of many factions -- Hussein's is only one of them. Finally, we know that the United States wants this guerrilla war to end really soon. If Hussein were to move to Minsk -- and that might be punishment enough -- it might look like the United States let Hussein go free. Then again, the guerrillas' morale might be substantially worsened by his move. If Hussein is under pressure from Shiites, Sunnis who oppose him and the U.S. and Polish-led division, one might reasonably assume that he would send intermediaries to save his life. And given the pressure that the Bush administration is under, why not let him go? After all, it would be bad for guerrilla morale. We have absolutely no idea how the Sunday Mirror got its intelligence. For all we know, they made it up. We do know that it doesn't mean anything that the wire services picked up the story. It's Sunday and they'll take what they can get. None of that proves anything. But why did the United States issue a denial phrased in such a way and from such a source that it's no denial at all? That's what bothers us. That McDonald issued a denial means that the chain of command knew the story was circulating -- silence from higher-level sources doesn't mean ignorance of the story. So why not simply issue a blanket denial -- no one representing the United States is negotiating in any way with any representatives from Hussein. On the other hand, if the story is beneath notice, why authorize a denial from the 4th ID? Strange. Maybe the public affairs people at the Pentagon think that stories about U.S. negotiations with Hussein -- circulating around the globe from respected wire services -- aren't worth commenting on. Or, just maybe, the Sunday Mirror got lucky. ************************************************************************ For more Stratfor analysis and situation reports, please visit http://www.stratfor.biz/ -- Bob Bernstein From apost at recalcitrant.org Mon Sep 22 21:46:59 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> Message-ID: <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> * Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com) [030922 18:55]: > > Yeah, it could be worse: We could have a bunch of gnu/lunix users subscribed > to the list. Or people crapflooding it with war rants and library links. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 22 21:57:50 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> begin Alan Post quotation: > * Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com) [030922 18:55]: > > Yeah, it could be worse: We could have a bunch of gnu/lunix users > > subscribed to the list. > > Or people crapflooding it with war rants and library links. Bob Bernstein could really learn a thing or two from Don Saklad. For starters, we all have Teh Entarnet already, and we don't need complete fucking copies of the whole article sent to all subscribers. -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 22 22:23:59 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030923052359.GA18262@callisto.jtan.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:57:50PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Or people crapflooding it with war rants and library links. I am honored to be so accociated with the esteemed Mr. Saklad! > Bob Bernstein could really learn a thing or two from Don > Saklad. For some time now I have realized that I can have no higher personal goal than to become "The Next Don Saklad" around here! > For starters, we all have Teh Entarnet already, and we don't need > complete fucking copies of the whole article sent to all subscribers. Sometimes I fall away from the requisite state of grace. Sigh. See, for instance: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06701a.htm -- Bob Bernstein From jeremym at loonix.org Tue Sep 23 00:47:43 2003 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification In-Reply-To: References: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20030923074743.GH5396@pug.chroot.net> On Mon Sep 22, 2003 at 09:38:08PM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > http://www.bpl.org/guides/callnumbers.htm ha ha. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From andy at strugglers.net Tue Sep 23 13:02:32 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] your friends at verisign In-Reply-To: <200309181754.50943.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200309181754.50943.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030923200232.GF20327@lug.org.uk> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 05:54:50PM -0400, dep wrote: > goddammed fucking bloodsucking assholes. on a *good* day. some would > argue that they rival even the boston public library. i hope they bleed > painfully from their recta until they die in a pool of stinking pus. And from Another List: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Acme-VerySign/lib/Acme/VerySign.pm -- "If you only ever read one book in your life, I highly recommend you keep your mouth shut." -- The League Against Tedium From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 13:25:14 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification In-Reply-To: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87d6dsz49o.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20030923202514.GE31088@zork.net> begin Henrik Enberg quotation: > Don Saklad writes: > > Faceted classification > > Does the BPL use this? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as though *all* libraries use Faceted Classification. It seems to be a fancy term for "listing more than one category with an item". Any library not run by squirrels will have its collection catalogued by subject, author, title, and color of the spine. What's potentially new (although not exactly revolutionary) is that people are actually talking about standards for Faceted Navigation. Martin Pool mentioned DiamondWiki on sourcefrog, and there are other systems. The notion is that you apply cumulative filters to search results. It's basically the same thing as getting 80,000 hits from google, muttering "damn!", and then adding more words to your search string to narrow things down. Ultimately after at most seven or eight words, you'll get what you're looking for on top. I'm not sure if any library catalogs use this as the patron interface, but any librarian worth the $14 in base chemicals will likely perform this winnowing process for you. -- Support your droogs! end From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Tue Sep 23 16:32:21 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com>; from rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us on Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 18:56:27 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> And he supported the DMCA! On 2003.09.22 18:56 Bob Bernstein wrote: > The Wall Street Journal > > September 22, 2003 > > > COMMENTARY > > A Demon for Our Times > > By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ > > Frenzy mounts uncontrolled over John Ashcroft, now considered -- in > those quarters touched by the delirium -- enemy number one of the Bill > of Rights, the Constitution and all that Americans hold dear. What is > the cause of these fevers? Is there a doctor in the house? > > We may exclude Dr. Howard Dean, running for the Democratic > presidential nomination, who has already offered his findings, to wit: > "John Ashcroft is not a patriot. John Ashcroft is a descendant of > Joseph McCarthy." Sen. John Kerry, once properly -- and eloquently -- > infuriated over the campaign of cretinous slanders mounted against > John McCain in the last Republican presidential primary, has in turn > offered his views on the attorney general. During the Democrats' > debate in Baltimore, Candidate Kerry said he saw before him "people of > every creed, every color, every belief, every religion. This is indeed > John Ashcroft's worst nightmare here." Richard Gephardt, eyes > similarly on the prize, has let America know which of our great > national concerns he considered most pressing -- a good thing to know > about a candidate. The national priority looming largest in his mind > is, Mr. Gephardt has let it be known, to fire John Ashcroft in "my > first five seconds as president." > > On the subject of the attorney general, no candidate has waxed more > passionate than John Edwards, who warned, "we cannot allow people like > John Ashcroft to take away our rights, our freedoms, and our > liberties." And further: John Ashcroft and this administration can > "spin their wheels all they want about the Patriot Act... they have > rolled over our rights for the past two years," says Mr. Edwards, one > of the most uncompromisingly staunch Senate supporters of the Patriot > Bill when it was passed after September 11 -- a fact the candidate > seems to have found little or no occasion to mention in the course of > his current crusade. Also among those voting for the bill were Rep. > Gephardt, and Sens. Kerry, Lieberman and Graham. > > * * * > > It's hardly necessary by now to list all the charges and the alarms > being raised about Mr. Ashcroft, by those portraying the attorney > general as the menace to civil liberties that should haunt the dreams > of all Americans who want to preserve our way of life. This is no > exaggeration; the fever has spread wide, fed largely by the American > Civil Liberties Union and allied sentinels of freedom, its signs clear > in the ads calling on citizens to "Save Our Constitution," in > emergency rallies led by the ACLU, and such groups as "Families for a > Peaceful Tomorrow," and "The New York Bill of Rights Defense > Committee." > > The attorney general has, declared the New York Civil Liberties Union, > "led a massive assault on our most basic rights." Indeed, to hear the > aforementioned groups, John Ashcroft is a greater threat to our > national life and our freedoms than that posed by terrorists -- a view > that itself speaks volumes about the character and disposition of the > Constitution-protectors up in arms over Mr. Ashcroft. > > Then there is the issue of the facts -- a scarce commodity in the > oceans of oratory now spilling forth about our threatened Bill of > Rights, and about agents spying on Americans' reading habits. In none > of the descriptions of the out-of-control attorney general, and > accompanying suggestions of incipient Fascism on the march, is there > to be found any mention of the truth that the attorney general did > not, of course, arrogate to himself the power to extend security > measures: he went to the courts for permission. They were put in place > only after scrutiny by judges. > > Likewise, current hair-tearing about secret investigations and library > spies notwithstanding, it remains a fact that for decades now, in its > pursuit of crimes like money-laundering, the government has been free > to prohibit banks from informing clients they were under investigation > -- and has done so without any outcry from the ACLU about civil rights > violations. The Patriot Act could be said to be imperfect in some > areas, a dissident member of the ACLU recently informed me -- but so > dishonest was his organization's portrayal of it as a threat to our > basic freedoms, he could hardly bring himself to join any argument > against it. > > That ACLU dissidents harbor feelings of disgust at their leadership > and its policies shouldn't come as news. For some 20 years now, > control of the organization has rested securely in the hands of > activists devoted to issues dear to the hearts of the left. No one was > surprised when the ACLU of Southern California -- home to the > organization's most far-out activists -- undertook the lawsuit to > delay the state's recall vote. > > The ACLU was the first to charge, after Sept. 11, that the > government's anti-terrorist measures and detention of terror suspects > threatened civil liberties. Even as workers struggled to pull bodies > from the mountain of rubble in downtown Manhattan, the ACLU and > like-minded allies had begun issuing warnings that government efforts > to prevent more terrorist assaults posed greater dangers to the nation > -- would destroy our Constitution and the America we have always known > -- than the terrorists could possibly do. > > The arguments found instant acceptance, not surprisingly, among > faculty ideologues on the campuses. Who can forget the instantly > organized teach-ins, where speakers argued, even as the nation mourned > nearly 3,000 dead, that the United States had received just deserts > for its policies? Efforts to protect ourselves with rational means of > defense -- investigations and apprehension of likely suspects, > increased security measures, profiling -- all connected with the > spirit of these arguments: We -- not the terrorists so avid for our > destruction -- were the enemy that would cause the demise of our > democracy. > > This was, and remains, claptrap of the rankest kind, which the great > mass of sane Americans would never buy -- and still, it cannot be > ignored. It cannot be ignored, that is, that we are in a time never > before seen in this country -- a time produced in part by what remains > of the politics and values of the 1960s, but only in part. For even in > the '60s, we did not see what we do today -- namely significant > quarters of the culture, elite and popular, sympathetic to the views > of those home and abroad most hostile to this nation. A time when talk > of American "swagger" and "bullying" comes tripping from the tongue. > > For such times John Ashcroft was a target made to order. Devoutly > religious, appointee of George Bush, he could scarcely have been a > better fit for the bogeyman figure advanced as the greatest threat to > our civil liberties -- the perfect model to fire up the crowds at > marches, and breast-beating festivals. Not for nothing do the > Democratic presidential candidates out-do themselves denouncing the > attorney general: they know, the candidates do, what has filtered down > to their base, their main audience, after all. They all know, as John > Kerry does, that he can say whatever he wants about John Ashcroft -- > that he views, as a nightmare, members of other races creeds and > religions, or anything else the Democratic candidate finds convenient > -- and it will all be understood, a mark of political virtue. > > * * * > > Mr. Ashcroft's detractors were at no time more infuriated -- at least > recently -- than when he undertook his journey to various states, to > speak up in defense of the USA Patriot Act. Indeed, Janet Reno, former > attorney general, was sufficiently exercised by Mr. Ashcroft's > journeys to come forward to join the denunciations of his policies. > Ms. Reno, whose devotion to civil liberties was best exemplified in > 1993, when she ordered tanks in to assault the Branch Davidian > compound in Waco -- which exercise resulted in the deaths of 19 > children and 57 adults -- has not been heard from for a while. But it > is worth remembering that attorney general's notions of due process in > a time of emergency. A dangerous situation was becoming more > dangerous, Ms. Reno would later explain -- there had been word that > children had been sexually abused. In went the tanks and the flammable > gas canisters. As far as one can tell, the ACLU launched no protests. > The 19 children, were, it could be argued, certainly saved from > molestation. > > Mr. Ashcroft's efforts as attorney general have, as far as anyone > knows, resulted in no such mass casualties. Still the hot-eyed > demonstrators keep rolling out to shout their denunciations and wave > placards saying "R.I.P Civil Rights" and "Here Lies Your Freedom." > Much has been invested in the demagoguery portraying John Ashcroft as > the most serious threat to our liberties in memory: an investment that > has enriched the ACLU's funding coffers, and delivered priceless > publicity. No one should expect it to end any time soon. > > > Ms. Rabinowitz is a member of the Journal's editorial board. > > URL for this article: > http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB106419252778598700,00.html > > > -- > Bob Bernstein > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Tue Sep 23 16:34:53 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...a majority of the US population believed that Saddam Hussein posed a real and imminent threat..." In-Reply-To: <20030922231659.GC9772@recalcitrant.org>; from apost@recalcitrant.org on Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 19:16:59 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030922231659.GC9772@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <20030923193453.C11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Anachist lead to Choas? What's new about that On 2003.09.22 19:16 Alan Post wrote: > http://struggle.ws/wsm/ws/2003/ws76/iraqafter.html > > "Another feature of this democracy is that, by no means must people be > allowed to rule themselves." > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Tue Sep 23 18:01:17 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924010117.GA14940@columbus.rr.com> On Mon, Sep 22, 2003 at 09:57:50PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: >Bob Bernstein could really learn a thing or two from Don Saklad. For >starters ... we don't need complete fucking copies of the whole article >sent to all subscribers. Indeed, that's tiresome and space-wasting (though not quite as much so as Swen), but I personally dislike it when someone posts "Hey, look at this! [insert URL here]" and leaves off at that. Especially when it's an nytimes link (and no, I don't care what everyone's favourite login/password combos or methods of circumventing the login request are). I'm sure not everyone will agree with me here (I'm just some goddamn RR weenie, after all), but personally I prefer a middle-ground approach, quoting a few key sentences with an URL to see the rest. For example: "[I]n dropping AOL from the company name, AOL Time Warner has accomplished ... what? The acronym AOL is not being dropped because the company has spun off, sold or closed that unit -- it has done none of those things. ... The name Time Warner might be enough to attract some new, ill-informed investors who aren't aware of the boat anchor that constitutes AOL -- but that seems an unpromising strategy." http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/virgin/140835_virgin23.html Tellingly, efficient quoting of both articles and e-mail seem to be becoming lost arts. -- Matthew W. Miller From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Sep 23 18:16:08 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <8765jjoujr.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: > begin Alan Post quotation: > > * Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com) [030922 18:55]: > > > Yeah, it could be worse: We could have a bunch of gnu/lunix users > > > subscribed to the list. > > > > Or people crapflooding it with war rants and library links. > > Bob Bernstein could really learn a thing or two from Don > Saklad. For starters, we all have Teh Entarnet already, and we don't > need complete fucking copies of the whole article sent to all > subscribers. I think of Bob as much more of a Ruben than a Don anyway. -- Jordan Bettis [President Jimmy] Carter told Americans the truth and they hated him for it. [They] responded by throwing him out of office and replaced him with a movie actor who promised to restore the Great Enterprise to all its former glory, whatever the costs. -- James Howard Kunstler, _The Geography of Nowhere_ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 20:02:51 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030924030251.GG31088@zork.net> begin Rubn I Safir quotation: > And he supported the DMCA! Cite relevant portions only or get the fuck off my list. -- Support your droogs! end From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Tue Sep 23 20:12:39 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification. Bliss classification system Message-ID: Faceted classification http://www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr517/02-03-wt2/projects/faceted/index.htm Bliss classification system http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/bca/bchist.htm From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 20:46:28 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Faceted classification. Bliss classification system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030924034628.GH31088@zork.net> begin Don Saklad quotation: > Faceted classification > http://www.slais.ubc.ca/courses/libr517/02-03-wt2/projects/faceted/index.htm > > Bliss classification system > http://www.sid.cam.ac.uk/bca/bchist.htm I get it. So at least the Bliss system talks about using the successive refinements of the search to generate unique IDs. Bliss has a strict citation order to prevent duplicate call numbers. I think it's kind of amusing how spending any amount of time working with one of the standard cataloguing schemes makes you spend your spare time inventing new ones. It's like the librarian equivalent of irc clients. -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 23 21:57:17 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score Message-ID: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> Seattle 1 Anaheim 1 Bottom of the tenth. -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 22:40:54 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Seattle 1 > Anaheim 1 > > Bottom of the tenth. I don't get it. Is that the latest coded message from the New World Order? -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 23 22:54:45 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:40:54PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > I don't get it. Is that the latest coded message from the New > World Order? Seattle 1 Anaheim 2 Final! -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 23:07:08 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030924060708.GL31088@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 10:40:54PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > I don't get it. Is that the latest coded message from the New > > World Order? > > Seattle 1 > Anaheim 2 > > Final! Fuck you, sir. -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 23 23:17:56 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924060708.GL31088@zork.net> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924060708.GL31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:07:08PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Final! > > Fuck you, sir. Oh fer criminy sakes alive, it's only baseball! AND WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN DAMMIT, THE CHILDREN!? Now how am I supposed to get back into Don Saklad emulation mode? -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 23 23:34:51 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924060708.GL31088@zork.net> <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:07:08PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > Final! > > > > Fuck you, sir. > > Oh fer criminy sakes alive, it's only baseball! And thus OFF TOPIC. The last thing I need is for this list to turn into fratboy sportsball bullshit. On a related note, guys around here like to wear tank-top t-shirts designed for really tall atheletes. The things are so long that they always look to me like they're wearing miniskirt muu-muus. Why is this masculine? -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 23 23:47:40 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924054054.GK31088@zork.net> <20030924055445.GC19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924060708.GL31088@zork.net> <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924064740.GE19002@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 11:34:51PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Why is this masculine? Variation on the Ambiguously Gay Duo theme? -- Bob Bernstein From neuro at well.com Wed Sep 24 03:50:18 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> Ruben I Safir wrote: > And he supported the DMCA! Does Baby Jebus know that you top post *and* don't trim replies? -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 04:02:44 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <200309240702.44757.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco: | On a related note, guys around here like to wear tank-top | t-shirts designed for really tall atheletes. The things are so long | that they always look to me like they're wearing miniskirt muu-muus. | Why is this masculine? they wanna be on bravo. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From unknown at panax.com Wed Sep 24 04:59:26 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Score In-Reply-To: <200309240702.44757.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030924045717.GB19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924061756.GD19002@callisto.jtan.com> <20030924063451.GM31088@zork.net> <200309240702.44757.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030924115925.GA8531@panax.com> On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: > quoth Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco: > > | On a related note, guys around here like to wear tank-top > | t-shirts designed for really tall atheletes. The things are so long > | that they always look to me like they're wearing miniskirt muu-muus. > | Why is this masculine? > > they wanna be on bravo. I heard bravo is going to cancel their gay oriented shows, too many straight women watch them, and not enough gay men. Go figure. -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 24 06:57:41 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Erick Kinnee has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 07:49:07 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Nick Moffitt: | SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP | | ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- | | Erick Kinnee has been successfully | subscribed to CrackMonkey. | | | | ----- End forwarded message ----- for some bizarre reason, roadrunner has blocked all charter addresses such that one cannot send mail from a charter address to a rr address. so it could be that this list will become a message relay service. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From unknown at panax.com Wed Sep 24 07:57:19 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: > quoth Nick Moffitt: > | SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP > | > | ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > | > | Erick Kinnee has been successfully > | subscribed to CrackMonkey. > | > | > | > | ----- End forwarded message ----- > > for some bizarre reason, roadrunner has blocked all charter addresses > such that one cannot send mail from a charter address to a rr address. > so it could be that this list will become a message relay service. So, basically, Nick pre-emptivly spoke The People's will? -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 08:34:41 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> Message-ID: <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Patrick McFarland: | On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: | > quoth Nick Moffitt: | > | SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP | > | | > | ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org | > | ----- | > | | > | Erick Kinnee has been successfully | > | subscribed to CrackMonkey. | > | | > | | > | | > | ----- End forwarded message ----- | > | > for some bizarre reason, roadrunner has blocked all charter | > addresses such that one cannot send mail from a charter address to | > a rr address. so it could be that this list will become a message | > relay service. | | So, basically, Nick pre-emptivly spoke The People's will? if and only if "the people" and roadrunner coincide. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Wed Sep 24 09:04:19 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] What is Dangerous Ideas Message-ID: ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:10:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Gregory Marton gremio at csail.mit.edu Sender: gremio at ai.mit.edu Reply-To: dangerous-minds at ai.mit.edu To: seminars at csail.mit.edu Subject: What is Dangerous Ideas ReSent-From: Gregory Marton gremio at acm.org ReSent-To: all-ai-send at ai.mit.edu ReSent-Subject: What is Dangerous Ideas Resent-Sender: Gregory Adam Marton gremio at ai.mit.edu X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=RESENT_TO,USER_AGENT_PINE version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) Apologies if you receive this twice: the seminar mailing lists are in transition to csail, and there were some problems. *** Danger! Danger! Danger! *** For more information: http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/dangerous-ideas/ * Q: What is the Dangerous Ideas Seminar? The Dangerous Ideas Seminar is a informal seminar designed to spur cross-pollination of ideas in the lab and to foster creativity by challenging students, faculty, and research staff with each others' ideas. MIT, and particularly the groups in this building, have a history of daring innovation and visionary research which change the way the rest of the world works. We think this is how it ought to be, and are organizing these seminars to help stimulate people to think big. * Q: How does it work? Each week, we invite a speaker from the lab. That person may be a grad student, faculty, or research staff. They are encouraged to present something *different* from their most recent paper/talk. Emphasis is on informality, vision, and inspiration. In particular, we invite the speaker to consider the following questions when preparing their presentation: 1. Why should I fear your research? 2. Why should I rejoice that it's being done? 3. What should I tell my mom about it? 4. What's your most interesting discovery? 5. What's your most recent discovery? The speaker's presentation is expected to last for approximately 20 minutes, at which point the floor is opened up for discussion for the remaining 40 minutes, to be moderated if necessary by the organizers. Audience members are encouraged to challenge ideas in the presentation, make connections to other, disparate fields of research, or say anything else they want. * Q: Who should come to the Dangerous Ideas Seminar? We invite all members of CSAIL to attend. We particularly encourage you to come when the speaker's research is not closely related to your own. * Q: Why are these ideas so dangerous? Because they should violate the status quo, and unsettle us from out comfortable seats in the ivory tower. If there aren't revolutionary consequences to our work, why are we doing it here and not leaving it for [fill in your least-favorite university here]? * Q: How often will Dangerous Ideas Seminars happen? Roughly once every two weeks. Announcements and reminders go to seminars at csail dot edu which encompasses the now deprecated ai-seminar at ai dot edu and seminars at lcs dot edu * Q: Will there be snacks? Of course. This is a CSAIL seminar! For more information, including this semester's partial schedule, please see: http://www.ai.mit.edu/lab/dangerous-ideas/ ------- End of forwarded message ------- From unknown at panax.com Wed Sep 24 09:22:08 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: > quoth Patrick McFarland: > | On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: > | > quoth Nick Moffitt: > | > | SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP > | > | > | > | ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org > | > | ----- > | > | > | > | Erick Kinnee has been successfully > | > | subscribed to CrackMonkey. > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | ----- End forwarded message ----- > | > > | > for some bizarre reason, roadrunner has blocked all charter > | > addresses such that one cannot send mail from a charter address to > | > a rr address. so it could be that this list will become a message > | > relay service. > | > | So, basically, Nick pre-emptivly spoke The People's will? > > if and only if "the people" and roadrunner coincide. Well, I dunno, The People usually hate AOL services. However, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.... or something like that. -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 24 09:30:15 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com>; from neuro@well.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 06:50:18 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> Message-ID: <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Baby Jebus is a myth On 2003.09.24 06:50 William Anderson wrote: > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > And he supported the DMCA! > > Does Baby Jebus know that you top post *and* don't trim replies? > > -- > _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, > \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like > =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro > U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From holo at www.beadpainter.org Wed Sep 24 10:28:42 2003 From: holo at www.beadpainter.org (Trouble) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> * Ruben I Safir Mumbled the Following: > Baby Jebus is a myth > Top posting is, alas, still a very real problem. Why is it so difficult for you to trim quotes to relevant information? And do you top-post because you read backwards, or just because you are both stupid AND stubborn? -- rh Trouble From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 24 10:36:54 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:27:42 -0601." <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <200309241736.h8OHasP8001944@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:27:42 -0601, Trouble said: > * Ruben I Safir Mumbled the Following: > > Baby Jebus is a myth > > > > Top posting is, alas, still a very real problem. > > Why is it so difficult for you to trim quotes to relevant information? > And do you top-post because you read backwards, or just because you are > both stupid AND stubborn? He's reading them in reverse chronological order, and desires spatial inversion to provide visual cues for the temporal inversion. Oh, and in his world, Baby Jebus won't show up until they need a savior for the Y-1K problem. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 24 10:44:34 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Trouble wrote: > Top posting is, alas, still a very real problem. > > Why is it so difficult for you to trim quotes to relevant information? > And do you top-post because you read backwards, or just because you are > both stupid AND stubborn? might as well also ask him why he can't group reply. Not that it will get you anywhere, or anything. Ruben will still be a rube. From jv at zork.net Wed Sep 24 11:05:45 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: RR's sheltering sky: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030924180545.GC28835@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > quoth Nick Moffitt: > | SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP > | ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > | Erick Kinnee has been successfully > | subscribed to CrackMonkey. > | ----- End forwarded message ----- > for some bizarre reason, roadrunner has blocked all charter > addresses... [http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07142002a.php] -=- An anonymous reader submits (to slashdot): "... RoadRunner is quietly blocking... Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas... port scanner... scans for Kazaa activity... disables use of that port... -=- Recall aol getting into Dutch for its users' mis-deeds, on account of its having distinguished itself from (and thereby having forfeited protection of) the class of common carriers... ... rr may be cruisin' for a bruisin'... on track for a crack. -jv From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 24 11:36:09 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> Message-ID: <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> begin Patrick McFarland quotation: [25 irrelevant lines snipped] > Well, I dunno, The People usually hate AOL services. However, the > enemy of your enemy is your friend.... or something like that. Trim your fucking quotations. Jesux, we're training a whole new set of 'em, and they won't even be worth reading for another year. -- Support your droogs! end From neuro at well.com Wed Sep 24 12:21:08 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <3F71EEA4.6010403@well.com> Ruben I Safir wrote: > Baby Jebus is a myth That as maybe, but sending me a copy of the message both to my mailbox *and* to the list doesn't make it any more or less mythical. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Wed Sep 24 12:43:49 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924194349.GH19002@callisto.jtan.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:36:09AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Jesux, we're training a whole new set of 'em A Usenet September for CM? Who knew? > ...and they won't even be worth reading for another year. Don't think for one fucking minute I am going to relinquish my demand to be entertained! -- Bob Bernstein From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 13:14:28 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <8765jjoujr.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> <8765jjoujr.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Message-ID: <200309241614.28712.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Jordan Bettis: | I think of Bob as much more of a Ruben than a Don anyway. yup. his saklad days are over. now he's a sandwich. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From unknown at panax.com Wed Sep 24 13:11:19 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> On 24-Sep-2003, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Jesux, we're training a whole new set of 'em, and they won't > even be worth reading for another year. No, it is I who is training you! -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 13:22:32 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: RR's sheltering sky: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924180545.GC28835@zork.net> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924180545.GC28835@zork.net> Message-ID: <200309241622.32757.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Juggler Vain: | An anonymous reader submits (to slashdot): "... RoadRunner is quietly | blocking... Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas... port | scanner... scans for Kazaa activity... disables use of that port... here's what the rr assholes say in bouncing charter stuff: <<< 550 5.7.1 Mail Refused - ct.charter.com_Residential_Range - See http://security.rr.com/residential.htm which i take basically to mean that the cablemodem companies are busy trying to cornhole each other. of course it could be that the two things noted, the kazaa thing and the blocking of email, could actually be one -- that some fiendishly clever person is spamming roadrunner with pirated mp3s. which *would* tend to make for a real bad day for the riaa . . . -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Wed Sep 24 14:56:42 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <8765jjoujr.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> References: <20030922203328.GB1119@zork.net> <3F6FA3AA.9020002@well.com> <20030923014943.GB3696@panax.com> <20030923044659.GD9772@recalcitrant.org> <20030923045750.GA31088@zork.net> <8765jjoujr.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20030924215642.GI19002@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 08:16:08PM -0500, Jordan Bettis wrote: > I think of Bob as much more of a Ruben than a Don anyway. Y'know, I could get all huffy 'n shit about that comment, but Jordan, you need to know that, absent dep commenting on your post, I would have never noticed it. But let's not go there...let's stay positive: I can learn. I can grow. I just started my Don Saklad emulation mode. It will get better. You be sure of that. -- Bob Bernstein From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 24 14:36:48 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org>; from holo@beadpainter.org on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 13:28:42 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Bottom posting is the problem. You have to waste time reading everything twice. Idiots who need top posting struggle with foot notes as well. Ruben > Top posting is, alas, still a very real problem. -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 24 14:39:52 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <3F71EEA4.6010403@well.com>; from neuro@well.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 15:21:08 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F71EEA4.6010403@well.com> Message-ID: <20030924173952.C29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> I sent it to the list Baby Jebus sent it to your box. Hmmm - what does a mail client do when replying to these headers without a Repy-to: entry? From: William Anderson To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org On 2003.09.24 15:21 William Anderson wrote: > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > Baby Jebus is a myth > > That as maybe, but sending me a copy of the message both to my mailbox > *and* to the list doesn't make it any more or less mythical. > > -- > _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, > \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like > =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro > U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 24 15:21:55 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] huh? Message-ID: <200309241821.55221.dep@linuxandmain.com> "HP will offer full legal indemnification to customers buying Linux on HP hardware with a standard support package after they sign an addendum to their sales contract, he said. No modifications to the source code can be made under the contract, but desired changes can be discussed with HP on a case-by-case basis." http://www.computerworld.com/softwaretopics/os/linux/story/0,10801,85288,00.html?nas=PM-85288 -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From necco at relst8.net Wed Sep 24 15:29:25 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Wow... Message-ID: <20030924222924.GA26908@relst8.net> I just found out that the company that I work for, who also builds systems on occasion, sells "licences" (ie. distrubutions) of Window XP Home for $130 and XP Professional for $230... but the net price (ie. the price the company gets for them) is $14 for both either way I knew that MS screwed people over, but this is just ridiculous. (BTW, we also buy and sell *BSD distros on CD for $0.01) -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Sep 24 16:24:11 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: RR's sheltering sky: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924180545.GC28835@zork.net> References: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924180545.GC28835@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030924232411.GC18564@zgp.org> begin Juggler Vain quotation of Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:05:45AM -0700: > [http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/07142002a.php] > -=- > An anonymous reader submits (to slashdot): "... RoadRunner is quietly > blocking... Kazaa in certain markets. Particularly in Texas... port > scanner... scans for Kazaa activity... disables use of that port... > -=- Kazaa will use port 80 if it can't get through on 1214. http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6945 -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Sep 24 16:21:59 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ruben I Safir (ruben@mrbrklyn.com): [In bottom posting:] > You have to waste time reading everything twice. Hmm. Were you absent from class when everyone else learned to trim quotations and summarise? -- May those that love us love us; and those that don't love us, may God turn their hearts; and if he doesn't turn their hearts, may he turn their ankles so we'll know them by their limping. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Sep 24 16:26:02 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> Message-ID: <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com): > No, it is I who is training you! You is? -- Cheers, "By reading this sentence, you agree to be bound by the Rick Moen terms of the Internet Protocol, version 4, or, at your rick@linuxmafia.com option, any later version." -- Seth David Schoen From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 24 16:41:59 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924173952.C29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F71EEA4.6010403@well.com> <20030924173952.C29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > Hmmm - what does a mail client do when replying to these headers without > a Repy-to: entry? your technical prowess continues to amaze us. Truly you should be the CEO of Brooklyn. (rfc 2369 3.4. is pretty clear on this) From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 24 16:43:04 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > Idiots who need top posting struggle with foot notes as well. I thought you were pro-top-posting From thaytan at mad.scientist.com Wed Sep 24 17:10:27 2003 From: thaytan at mad.scientist.com (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> > Quoting Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com): > > > No, it is I who is training you! > > You is? > There you goes. Your engrish will be prefect in no time. J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com I came for the quality. I stayed for the freedom. -- Sean Neakums From apost at recalcitrant.org Wed Sep 24 17:54:28 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> Message-ID: <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> * Jan Schmidt (thaytan@mad.scientist.com) [030924 17:14]: > > There you goes. Your engrish will be prefect in no time. And then you can join the NetBSD core! http://www.google.com/search?q=%22really+bitching+us%22 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 24 19:18:47 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924173952.C29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F71EEA4.6010403@well.com> <20030924173952.C29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030925021847.GB4673@zork.net> begin Rubn I Safir quotation: > Hmmm - what does a mail client do when replying to these headers > without a Repy-to: entry? That depends. Do you mean an individual reply, a group reply, or a list reply? -- Support your droogs! end From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 24 20:24:25 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:11:19 EDT." <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> Message-ID: <200309250324.h8P3OP6q009960@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:11:19 EDT, Patrick McFarland said: > On 24-Sep-2003, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Jesux, we're training a whole new set of 'em, and they won't > > even be worth reading for another year. > > No, it is I who is training you! panax.com is in soviet russia? From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 24 21:01:05 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com>; from rick@linuxmafia.com on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 19:21:59 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Summary: People who fill the top of your screen with information you just read have no respect for your time and never learned about footnotes. |-) > > Hmm. Were you absent from class when everyone else learned to trim > quotations and summarise? > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Wed Sep 24 21:01:59 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 19:43:04 -0400 References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030925000159.C737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Who is counting Do what I mean, not what I say.......... On 2003.09.24 19:43 #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > Idiots who need top posting struggle with foot notes as well. > > I thought you were pro-top-posting > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From neuro at well.com Thu Sep 25 04:11:23 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> Ruben I Safir wrote: > Summary: People who fill the top of your screen with information > you just read have no respect for your time and never learned about > footnotes. Conversations are not footnotes. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From unknown at panax.com Thu Sep 25 06:17:20 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200309250324.h8P3OP6q009960@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <200309250324.h8P3OP6q009960@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20030925131720.GA1670@panax.com> On 24-Sep-2003, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > panax.com is in soviet russia? With someone like President Bush taking away all our rights, who needs Soviet Russia? -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From rick at rickbradley.com Thu Sep 25 06:35:36 2003 From: rick at rickbradley.com (Rick Bradley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925131720.GA1670@panax.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <200309250324.h8P3OP6q009960@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030925131720.GA1670@panax.com> Message-ID: <20030925133536.GQ9663@negwo.eastcore.net> * Patrick McFarland (unknown@panax.com) [030925 08:33]: > On 24-Sep-2003, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > panax.com is in soviet russia? > > With someone like President Bush taking away all our rights, who needs Soviet > Russia? Shame he apparently left free speech for last. Rick -- http://www.rickbradley.com MUPRN: 353 | to www.AMandA.com random email haiku | to the Aaron Marcus and | Associates. From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Thu Sep 25 07:18:46 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030925141846.GA1993@columbus.rr.com> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 11:34:41AM -0400, dep wrote: >quoth Patrick McFarland: >| On 24-Sep-2003, dep wrote: >| > roadrunner has blocked all charter addresses such that one cannot >| > send mail from a charter address to a rr address. >| So, basically, Nick pre-emptivly spoke The People's will? >if and only if "the people" and roadrunner coincide. I resemble that remark. -- Matthew W. Miller From daniel at benzedrine.cx Thu Sep 25 09:52:19 2003 From: daniel at benzedrine.cx (Daniel Hartmeier) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> References: <20030924135741.GN31088@zork.net> <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 05:54:28PM -0700, Alan Post wrote: > And then you can join the NetBSD core! Let me guess, you're American. You're not going to surprise me by both speaking japanese better than itojun speaks english and mocking non-native speakers at the same time, are you? Then kindly fuck off, oaf. Daniel From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 25 10:30:27 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030925173027.GC4673@zork.net> Oh. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- bker@yage.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Thu Sep 25 12:19:02 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] By Dennis Dillon Message-ID: By Dennis Dillon http://chronicle.com/free/v50/i04/04b00501.htm From apost at recalcitrant.org Thu Sep 25 15:10:38 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> References: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> Message-ID: <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> * Daniel Hartmeier (daniel@benzedrine.cx) [030925 10:03]: > > Let me guess, you're American. Why do you hate America? From remco at rc6.org Thu Sep 25 15:14:32 2003 From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while Message-ID: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> http://www.revue-politique.com/7,article,rp200307,29,0000x0000p0002.htm Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy by Paul Johnson Anti-Americanism is the prevailing disease of intellectuals today. Like other diseases, it doesn't have to be logical or rational. But, like other diseases, it has a syndrome--a concurrent set of underlying symptoms that are also causes. ? First, an unadmitted contempt for democracy. The U.S. is the world's most successful democracy. The right of voters to elect more than 80,000 public officials, the length and thoroughness of electoral campaigns, the pervasiveness of the media and the almost daily reports by opinion polls ensure that government and electorate do not diverge for long and that Washington generally reflects the majority opinion in its actions. It is this feature that intellectuals--especially in Europe--find embittering. They know they must genuflect to democracy as a system. They cannot openly admit that an entire people--especially one comprising nearly 300 million, who enjoy all the freedoms--can be mistaken. The truth is, on the European Continent there is little experience of working democracy. -- Remco B. Brink rc6.org From necco at relst8.net Thu Sep 25 15:26:41 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> References: <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <20030925222641.GA30853@relst8.net> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:10:38PM -0700, Alan Post wrote: > * Daniel Hartmeier (daniel@benzedrine.cx) [030925 10:03]: > > > > Let me guess, you're American. > > Why do you hate America? s/he fears the freedoms we do have, and listens to the newsmedia for information on how americans live. /former soviet east german; now american! -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From jason at sopko.net Thu Sep 25 15:47:48 2003 From: jason at sopko.net (Jason Sopko) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> Message-ID: <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> begin Remco B. Brink wrote: > http://www.revue-politique.com/7,article,rp200307,29,0000x0000p0002.htm > > Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy > by Paul Johnson Great article, thanks for the link. I think that your keyboard might be screwed up, as your subject header says 'moronic'. Did you mean 'sensible' or 'truthful'? ///Jason From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 25 15:57:00 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> Message-ID: <20030925225700.GE4673@zork.net> ALL OF YOU SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP -- Support your droogs! end From remco at rc6.org Thu Sep 25 16:07:17 2003 From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> Message-ID: <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 00:47, Jason Sopko wrote: > begin Remco B. Brink wrote: > > http://www.revue-politique.com/7,article,rp200307,29,0000x0000p0002.htm > > > > Anti-Americanism Is Racist Envy > > by Paul Johnson > > Great article, thanks for the link. I think that your keyboard might be > screwed up, as your subject header says 'moronic'. Did you mean > 'sensible' or 'truthful'? So not only are you part of a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be obedient consumers in a system run by Big Business, you also can't read? -rbb -- Remco B. Brink rc6.org From neuro at well.com Thu Sep 25 16:11:24 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> References: <200309241049.07512.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924145719.GA13876@panax.com> <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> Message-ID: <3F73761C.1000803@well.com> Alan Post wrote: > * Daniel Hartmeier (daniel@benzedrine.cx) [030925 10:03]: > >>Let me guess, you're American. > > > Why do you hate America? What difference does it make if I hate America? -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 25 16:11:09 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> Message-ID: <20030925231109.GF4673@zork.net> begin Remco B. Brink quotation: > So not only are you part of a subcivilized mass, whose function is > to be obedient consumers in a system run by Big Business, you also > can't read? No I will not buy your socialist newspaper. -- Support your droogs! end From jason at sopko.net Thu Sep 25 16:20:41 2003 From: jason at sopko.net (Jason Sopko) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> Message-ID: <3F737849.8040605@sopko.net> begin Remco B. Brink wrote: > > So not only are you part of a subcivilized mass, whose function is to be > obedient consumers in a system run by Big Business, you also can't read? > > -rbb At least I'm not posting orange dick political material to a list comprised mostly of anarchists. ///Jason From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 25 16:42:17 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> FUck you people. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- inkblot@movealong.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From necco at relst8.net Thu Sep 25 16:59:20 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The most moronic article I've read in a good while In-Reply-To: <3F737849.8040605@sopko.net> References: <1064528071.11001.2.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737094.3060504@sopko.net> <1064531236.11102.7.camel@paranoia.rc6.org> <3F737849.8040605@sopko.net> Message-ID: <20030925235920.GA31114@relst8.net> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 07:20:41PM -0400, Jason Sopko wrote: > comprised mostly of anarchists. ehhh???? if this is true, !CrackMonkey! would be like high school all over again for me. but it's not so YOUR LOGIC IS FAULTY! -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From necco at relst8.net Thu Sep 25 17:01:52 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> References: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030926000151.GB31114@relst8.net> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:42:17PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > FUck you people. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > inkblot@movealong.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. > :< It's a good thing I don't have a CrackMonkey quota. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Sep 25 17:58:40 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> References: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030926005840.GA18608@callisto.jtan.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:42:17PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > FUck you people. I blame management. -- Bob Bernstein From necco at relst8.net Thu Sep 25 18:16:48 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030926005840.GA18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030925234217.GH4673@zork.net> <20030926005840.GA18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030926011648.GA31426@relst8.net> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 08:58:40PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 04:42:17PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > FUck you people. > > I blame management. > the capital "U" implies both an "FU!" as well as a "fuck" so therefore it's much more insulting. I blame the public school system and/or the mail room manager stealing stuff. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From apost at recalcitrant.org Thu Sep 25 19:19:30 2003 From: apost at recalcitrant.org (Alan Post) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030925222641.GA30853@relst8.net> References: <200309241134.41179.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030924162208.GA16952@panax.com> <20030924183609.GO31088@zork.net> <20030924201119.GA21913@panax.com> <20030924232602.GH20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925001027.GC30857@oven.home.net> <20030925005427.GE23514@recalcitrant.org> <20030925165218.GA1716@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> <20030925221038.GF23514@recalcitrant.org> <20030925222641.GA30853@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030926021930.GG23514@recalcitrant.org> * Loki Ambrodious von Esling (necco@relst8.net) [030925 15:32]: > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 03:10:38PM -0700, Alan Post wrote: > > > > Why do you hate America? > > s/he fears the freedoms we do have, and listens to the newsmedia for > information on how americans live. If only the newsmedia were controlled by rich people, the truth might have reached him. > /former soviet east german; now american! Careful who you tell that to -- you don't want people thinking you're part of a Soviet "sleeper cell". From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 25 19:48:36 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> Message-ID: <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Yes they are On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:11:23PM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > >Summary: People who fill the top of your screen with information > >you just read have no respect for your time and never learned about > >footnotes. > > Conversations are not footnotes. > > -- > _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, > \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like > =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro > U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Sep 25 20:07:15 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:48:36 EDT." <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:48:36 EDT, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS said: > Yes they are[1] > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:11:23PM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > >Summary: People who fill the top of your screen with information > > >you just read have no respect for your time and never learned about > > >footnotes. > > > > Conversations are not footnotes[2]. [1] Like Hell. Or did you mean that *your* conversations are to be relegated to footnote[3] status? [2] Amen brother. [3] Despite your best efforts to avoid it by top-posting your footnotes. From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Thu Sep 25 20:24:13 2003 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> What - Did you say something. I didn't read anything over than the foot note of my posting which was being referenced. If you ment to say something, please do so, like a regular person. Ruben On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 11:07:15PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 22:48:36 EDT, Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS said: > > Yes they are[1] > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 12:11:23PM +0100, William Anderson wrote: > > > Ruben I Safir wrote: > > > > > > >Summary: People who fill the top of your screen with information > > > >you just read have no respect for your time and never learned about > > > >footnotes. > > > > > > Conversations are not footnotes[2]. > > [1] Like Hell. Or did you mean that *your* conversations are to be > relegated to footnote[3] status? > > [2] Amen brother. > > [3] Despite your best efforts to avoid it by top-posting your footnotes. > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://fairuse.nylxs.com http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.inns.net <-- Happy Clients http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-0585 From dismissed at enomem.net Thu Sep 25 20:38:56 2003 From: dismissed at enomem.net (Dismissed) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20030926033856.GA23901@mikamyla.com> Quothe Ruben Safir, Chief Moron , on Thu, Sep 25, 2003: > What - Did you say something. I didn't read anything over than the foot > note of my posting which was being referenced. If you ment to say something, > please do so, like a regular person. Dear Ruben, Shut the fuck up. -- Fuck the constitution! Are we part of the solution, or part of the pollution? From erik at midmaine.com Thu Sep 25 20:45:36 2003 From: erik at midmaine.com (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030926033856.GA23901@mikamyla.com> (dismissed@enomem.net's message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2003 20:38:56 -0700") References: <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030926033856.GA23901@mikamyla.com> Message-ID: <87n0cs43hb.fsf@loki.odinnet> Dismissed writes: > Quothe Ruben Safir, Chief Moron , on Thu, Sep 25, 2003: >> What - Did you say something. I didn't read anything over than the foot >> note of my posting which was being referenced. If you ment to say >> something, please do so, like a regular person. > > Dear Ruben, > > Shut the fuck up. WE are the STAKEHOLDERS! From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Sep 25 20:59:42 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:45:36 EDT." <87n0cs43hb.fsf@loki.odinnet> References: <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030926033856.GA23901@mikamyla.com> <87n0cs43hb.fsf@loki.odinnet> Message-ID: <200309260359.h8Q3xgJI015135@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:45:36 EDT, Erik Bourget said: > WE are the STAKEHOLDERS! Well.. do us all a favor and quit trying to hold it while you're in public. Or at least admit to yourself that no matter how flourescent orange it is, there's not enough work there for one hand, much less two... From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Sep 25 21:36:40 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Yup. Message-ID: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> I think my work here is almost done. bwuah bwuah bwuah bwuah -- Bob Bernstein From dismissed at enomem.net Thu Sep 25 21:57:32 2003 From: dismissed at enomem.net (Dismissed) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <200309260359.h8Q3xgJI015135@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <200309260307.h8Q37FJI013511@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030926032413.GA19455@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030926033856.GA23901@mikamyla.com> <87n0cs43hb.fsf@loki.odinnet> <200309260359.h8Q3xgJI015135@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20030926045731.GA24463@mikamyla.com> Quothe Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, on Thu, Sep 25, 2003: > Or at least admit to yourself that no matter how flourescent > orange it is, there's not enough work there for one hand, much less > two... OH YES PLEASE MOCK THE PENIS IT IS SMALL HUK HUK HUK -- Fuck the constitution! Are we part of the solution, or part of the pollution? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 25 22:30:09 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Yup. In-Reply-To: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > I think my work here is almost done. That means you'll be leaving soon, right? -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Sep 25 23:03:10 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Yup. In-Reply-To: <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 10:30:09PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > That means you'll be leaving soon, right? I need first to get a few more pod-people...er...tittering girly-boy minions subscribed to CM. By then the mothership will be near. Already her call is strong. But the level of insipid sniping and backbiting isn't quite high enough yet. A few more newbies should suffice to drive you completely 'round the proverbial bend! I mean, already we've seen serious (!) discussion on the list of how to cite webpages properly. Good grief man, can the end be far? (Which reminds me: there's no time like the present to start work on a Jargon File entry for crackmonkey. It can serve as an obit, once the Final Solution is implemented.) -- Bob Bernstein AL Division Series: Boston vs. Oakland Minnesota vs. New York From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Sep 25 23:08:38 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg Message-ID: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> "If you think "war" and "anger" are Western, phallocentric, meat-eating, capitalistic concepts and that boutiquey third-worlders really believe that arms are for hugging, then you should go chop down a tree-worshipper's favorite ficus or hit on some local chieftain's daughter and see what happens." http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200309251320.asp -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 25 23:20:32 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030926062032.GK4673@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200309251320.asp ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Great. Now it's the William B. Fuckley Jr. show. Around here, son, we don't even return their damn phone calls. -- Support your droogs! end From neuro at well.com Fri Sep 26 01:30:07 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "...the ACLU launched no protests." In-Reply-To: <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> References: <20030922225627.GA18647@callisto.jtan.com> <20030923193221.A11717@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F7176EA.2060007@well.com> <20030924123015.A25296@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924172804.GA16886@www.beadpainter.org> <20030924173648.A29400@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20030924232158.GG20106@linuxmafia.com> <20030925000105.A737@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <3F72CD5B.1010105@well.com> <20030926024836.GA19112@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <3F73F90F.7070500@well.com> Ruben Safir Secretary NYLXS wrote: > Yes they are your fucked up conversation style aside, I don't need two copies of replies from you - a reply to the list will suffice. I think I mentioned this to you already. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Fri Sep 26 10:16:11 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:03:10AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: >there's no time like the present to start work on a Jargon File entry >for crackmonkey. Why? The Jargon File hasn't been updated since the late 1980s. -- Matthew W. Miller From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Fri Sep 26 10:26:09 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030926172609.GB10420@columbus.rr.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:08:38AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: >"If you think "war" and "anger" are Western, phallocentric, No, dear, *this* is classic Goldberg: http://www.rube-goldberg.com/html/gallery.htm -- Matthew W. Miller From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Sep 26 11:24:25 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Bob Bernstein wrote: > http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg200309251320.asp I saw him on the Daily Show last night. He's pretty funny. Not sure why he mocks organic produce, though. Maybe he prefers fruit with no flavor, but plenty of wax and pesticides. Hey so I've got my tickets to watch the Athletic Elephants stomp the Red Sox on Thursday. WOOHOO! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 26 11:42:47 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> begin Matthew W. Miller quotation: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:03:10AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > >there's no time like the present to start work on a Jargon File entry > >for crackmonkey. > > Why? The Jargon File hasn't been updated since the late 1980s. Excellent work, Mr. Miller. Full marks for the old fogeyism and a bonus star for the subtle jab at Eric Fucking Raymond. -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 26 11:45:14 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown go bye-bye Message-ID: <20030926184514.GF2755@zork.net> (From Destiny) http://www.leisuretown.com/ -- Support your droogs! end From necco at relst8.net Fri Sep 26 12:38:40 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030926193840.GA2122@relst8.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 11:42:47AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Matthew W. Miller quotation: > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 02:03:10AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > >there's no time like the present to start work on a Jargon File entry > > >for crackmonkey. > > > > Why? The Jargon File hasn't been updated since the late 1980s. > > Excellent work, Mr. Miller. Full marks for the old fogeyism > and a bonus star for the subtle jab at Eric Fucking Raymond. > that reminds me, doesn't ESR have some new book coming out this month on some pseudo-intellectaul view of UNIX programing? -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 26 12:53:35 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <20030926193840.GA2122@relst8.net> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> <20030926193840.GA2122@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030926195334.GH2755@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > that reminds me, doesn't ESR have some new book coming out this > month on some pseudo-intellectaul view of UNIX programing? It just went to press, and it looks to be a fine book. However, he did the lazy thing that he always does and holds up his own crufty hacks as paragons of elegant Unix design. http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/books/taoup -- Support your droogs! end From tallpaul at ml1.net Fri Sep 26 13:20:55 2003 From: tallpaul at ml1.net (Paul M) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:08, Bob Bernstein wrote: So Bob, you're secretly Catholic, right? After all, all that BSD stuff was a bit too like a little boy earnestly reciting his catechism, for comfort. Cos if he didn't say his prayers right God was going to punish him. But its that guilt/penance thing that really gives it away. Its kind obvious when you think about it. Once upon a time you were a really naughty boy and you did something really bad, like tell some lies 'cos you wanted to make friends with that funny Trotskyist kid - no-one else would be his friend so you thought maybe, just maybe, he would be yours. But it didn't work out did it and now you feel bad and you think God's going to punish you so you've got to do your penance and make sure that God hears you. So you post all this stuff to list 'cos God's everywhere right. And every time you post something its all ways the same thing. Some bullshit so-called commentator and they all the same: going on about when they were young they were bad little boys but now they are grown-ups so they have got to tell the rest of the world how wrong everybody is. Why? cos they don't get it - nobody liked them then and nobody surely gives a shit now cos nothing really changed. They were arrogant loudmouths then, convinced they knew all the answers and whats changed - nada, not a damn thing. Just can't face up to the fact that everyone else saw through their bullshit, like, what, within five minutes and went to talk to someone who could actually listen to someone other than themselves. I mean Paul Johnson, really. Like we haven't got enough ex public school boys with a spanking fetish here in Ukrania without someone yanking their chain. Oh hold on a minute, that wasn't you was it? You know pretending to be someone else so we think your popular really is it a bit low. You mean it really wasn't you? No wonder things are starting to smell round here. If it wasn't for somebody trying to educate us about Library Classification Systems I'd get more out of trolling my local LUG with questions about Windows partitions - and they're all a bunch of cider-swilling yokel inbreds just like everybody else in this goddamn hole I've washed up in. But its alright Bob, Baby Jebbus still loves you, but don't forget God watches you everywhere you go so don't think he won't notice when you try and stick your hand down your trousers. Paul M. -- "There are no innocent bystanders what were they doing there in the first place?" -- William. S. Burroughs From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Sep 26 13:43:47 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Paul M wrote: > On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 07:08, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > So Bob, you're secretly Catholic, right? how many Catholics do you know named Bernstein? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 26 14:48:26 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:20:55PM +0100, Paul M wrote: > So Bob, you're secretly Catholic, right? *Everyone* is secretly Catholic. Duh. BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE (PAUL JOHNSON): "Americans should count their blessings, above all the supreme blessing of having an economy that is run by businessmen not bureaucrats, or that--under wise governance--runs itself." http://www.forbes.com/columnists/free_forbes/2003/1006/037.html Thanks to that rather outspoken Catholic Andrew Sullivan for this link! http://andrewsullivan.com -- Bob Bernstein From joakim at avmaria.com Fri Sep 26 16:01:47 2003 From: joakim at avmaria.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <20030926195334.GH2755@zork.net> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> <20030926193840.GA2122@relst8.net> <20030926195334.GH2755@zork.net> Message-ID: <1064617306.1496.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 14:53, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > that reminds me, doesn't ESR have some new book coming out this > > month on some pseudo-intellectaul view of UNIX programing? > > It just went to press, and it looks to be a fine book. > However, he did the lazy thing that he always does and holds up his > own crufty hacks as paragons of elegant Unix design. And then there's proof that his historical revisionism when it comes to free software is becoming even more extreme, such as this, from the Philosophy section: Open-Source Software Though the term ?open source? and the Open Source Definition were not invented until 1998, peer-review-intensive development of freely shared source code was a key feature of the Unix culture from its beginnings. For its first ten years AT&T's original Unix, and its primary variant Berkeley Unix, were normally distributed with source code. This enabled most of the other good things that follow here. That's *it*. No mention of GNU, no mention of RMS, no mention of the term "free software" at all. -- The Private Joakim Ziegler - Not Speaking For Anyone But Myself joakim@avmaria.com - http://www.avmaria.com - rdgzt@Undernet http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.fix.no/ From tallpaul at ml1.net Fri Sep 26 16:54:36 2003 From: tallpaul at ml1.net (Paul M) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <1064620475.2472.472.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> On Fri, 2003-09-26 at 22:48, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 09:20:55PM +0100, Paul M wrote: > > "Americans should count their blessings, above all the supreme blessing > of having an economy that is run by businessmen not bureaucrats, or > that--under wise governance--runs itself." > > http://www.forbes.com/columnists/free_forbes/2003/1006/037.html Oh I especially liked this bit "The truth is that the EU has been living beyond its means" you know I had some euro's here earlier I could have lent you for the deficit but I got hungry and brought some parmesan from this Italian bloke. But its ok apparently your planning for stagnation says the eminent historian (well at least hes not the former president of Mexico), maybe you could sell all of Thomas Edison's telephones > > > Thanks to that rather outspoken Catholic Andrew Sullivan for this link! Does baby Jebbus watch over him too? But your right if I was called Bernstein I'd keep it a secret too. Paul M From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Sep 26 17:40:35 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Bob Bernstein wrote: > "Americans should count their blessings, above all the supreme blessing > of having an economy that is run by businessmen not bureaucrats, or > that--under wise governance--runs itself." THANK YOU AMERICA FOR NOT HAVING 35 HOUR WORK WEEKS. YOU SAVE ME FROM DYING FROM HEAT EXPOSURE. THOSE CRAZY YOUROPEANS WITH THEIR VACATIONS AND THEIR LIFESTYLE THAT PROMOTES LIFE AND STYLE INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE MAN WILL SURELY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. WE ARE SO SMARTT. I WILL WORK THRU THE WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE THAT MY CEO MAKES 5.2 MILLION INSTEAD OF A MERE 5.1, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOOD AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE HATES DEMOCRACY From necco at relst8.net Fri Sep 26 18:07:27 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030927010727.GA3100@relst8.net> On Fri, Sep 26, 2003 at 05:40:35PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > "Americans should count their blessings, above all the supreme blessing > > of having an economy that is run by businessmen not bureaucrats, or > > that--under wise governance--runs itself." > > THANK YOU AMERICA FOR NOT HAVING 35 HOUR WORK WEEKS. YOU SAVE ME FROM > DYING FROM HEAT EXPOSURE. THOSE CRAZY YOUROPEANS WITH THEIR VACATIONS AND > THEIR LIFESTYLE THAT PROMOTES LIFE AND STYLE INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE > MAN WILL SURELY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. WE ARE SO SMARTT. I WILL WORK > THRU THE WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE THAT MY CEO MAKES 5.2 MILLION INSTEAD OF A > MERE 5.1, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOOD AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE HATES > DEMOCRACY > NEED KNOW STAR RM PIC -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From necco at relst8.net Fri Sep 26 18:35:20 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] at 1747 EST tonight... Message-ID: <20030927013520.GA3209@relst8.net> EmadGL went into development. Stay tuned! -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 26 21:29:18 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Notes on updating this list In-Reply-To: <1064617306.1496.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030926043640.GB18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926053008.GI4673@zork.net> <20030926060310.GC18608@callisto.jtan.com> <20030926171611.GA10420@columbus.rr.com> <20030926184247.GE2755@zork.net> <20030926193840.GA2122@relst8.net> <20030926195334.GH2755@zork.net> <1064617306.1496.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20030927042918.GJ2755@zork.net> begin Joakim Ziegler quotation: [historical revisionism and the history of free software] > That's *it*. No mention of GNU, no mention of RMS, no mention of the > term "free software" at all. Well, some would argue that's because he's attempting to appeal to authority that his audience will respect. If you're trying to convince pinstripe nitwits, it's usually more convincing to glow about Bell Labs and Cal DoD projects than some grubby hackers on the sixth floor of some MIT gizmo warren. -- Support your droogs! end From destiny at zork.net Fri Sep 26 13:00:33 2003 From: destiny at zork.net (destiny) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown is dead Message-ID: <20030926200033.9F4F82AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> http://www.leisuretown.com From radix42 at cox.net Sat Sep 27 03:45:03 2003 From: radix42 at cox.net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown is dead In-Reply-To: <20030926200033.9F4F82AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20030927034445.0298dc70@pop.west.cox.net> At 01:00 PM 9/26/2003, you wrote: >http://www.leisuretown.com http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.leisuretown.com From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 27 13:10:53 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha dueling banjos Message-ID: <20030927201053.GE14447@zork.net> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200309/msg00931.html -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 27 15:55:43 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030927225543.GF14447@zork.net> I almost care. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- sjborch@yahoo.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From unknown at panax.com Sat Sep 27 16:49:08 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030927225543.GF14447@zork.net> References: <20030927225543.GF14447@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030927234908.GA5789@panax.com> On 27-Sep-2003, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I almost care. I thought you would be cheering on the fact that yet another luser has left the mailing list. Now all I have to do is get rid of all those librarians... -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From jeremym at loonix.org Sat Sep 27 17:06:21 2003 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Goldberg In-Reply-To: References: <20030926060838.GD18608@callisto.jtan.com> <1064607655.2472.232.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> <20030926214826.GA22702@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030928000621.GR21205@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Sep 26, 2003 at 05:40:35PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > THANK YOU AMERICA FOR NOT HAVING 35 HOUR WORK WEEKS. YOU SAVE ME FROM > DYING FROM HEAT EXPOSURE. THOSE CRAZY YOUROPEANS WITH THEIR VACATIONS AND > THEIR LIFESTYLE THAT PROMOTES LIFE AND STYLE INSTEAD OF WORKING FOR THE > MAN WILL SURELY GET WHAT THEY DESERVE. WE ARE SO SMARTT. I WILL WORK > THRU THE WEEKEND TO MAKE SURE THAT MY CEO MAKES 5.2 MILLION INSTEAD OF A > MERE 5.1, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S GOOD AND ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE HATES > DEMOCRACY l0lz. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From jordanb at hafd.org Sun Sep 28 15:14:50 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [misc.transport.rail.americas] King of Hoboes chosen at 'bo convention Message-ID: <87brt41rxh.fsf@eddie.hafd.org> Begin Forwarded Message: ---------------------------------------- Path: trillian.hafd.org!internal1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border3.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!firehose2!nntp4!intern1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!elnk-pas-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3F775A52.756E6511@earthlink.net> From: Paul Hirose X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Newsgroups: misc.transport.rail.americas Subject: King of Hoboes chosen at 'bo convention Lines: 15 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 22:03:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.172.184 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net 1064786603 209.178.172.184 (Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:03:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2003 15:03:23 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: trillian.hafd.org misc.transport.rail.americas:8699 Charles "Hobo Spike" Gill has been crowned the 2003 King of Hoboes at the annual convention in Britt, Iowa. Gill has been riding the rails since 1952, and boasts that he's one of the few who have ridden behind steam and diesel. The hobo king selection process included an oral exam from a panel of hoboes. One question was, "How long is the railroad bridge north of Roseville, California?" http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/cgi-free/getstory_ssf.cgi?j0544_BC_AL--Hobo&&news&newsflash-al -- Paul Hirose ---------------------------------------- End forwarded message -- Jordan Bettis Intellectual "property" is to property as fool's gold is to gold. -- Anonymous From niels=cm at bakker.net Mon Sep 29 05:29:40 2003 From: niels=cm at bakker.net (Niels Bakker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha dueling banjos In-Reply-To: <20030927201053.GE14447@zork.net> References: <20030927201053.GE14447@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030929122939.GP5172@snowcrash.tpb.net> * nick@zork.net (Nick Moffitt) [Sat 27 Sep 2003, 22:26 CEST]: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200309/msg00931.html It seems that you're trolling mailing lists for the sole purpose of reporting replies to it here. Do you consider that pathetic as well? I hope you flamed one of the posters for having a 6-line signature. -- Niels. -- "The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Any fame is a bi-product of making something that means something. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit." -- Banksy From necco at relst8.net Mon Sep 29 06:04:52 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha dueling banjos In-Reply-To: <20030929122939.GP5172@snowcrash.tpb.net> References: <20030927201053.GE14447@zork.net> <20030929122939.GP5172@snowcrash.tpb.net> Message-ID: <20030929130452.GB12863@relst8.net> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 02:29:40PM +0200, Niels Bakker wrote: > * nick@zork.net (Nick Moffitt) [Sat 27 Sep 2003, 22:26 CEST]: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200309/msg00931.html > > It seems that you're trolling mailing lists for the sole purpose of > reporting replies to it here. Do you consider that pathetic as well? > > I hope you flamed one of the posters for having a 6-line signature. I have a six line sig and actaully DISABLED NETIQUITTE ERROR CHECKING in slrn! Man, I'm evil. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Mon Sep 29 07:08:49 2003 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Reference Desk) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha dueling banjos In-Reply-To: <20030929122939.GP5172@snowcrash.tpb.net> References: <20030927201053.GE14447@zork.net> <20030929122939.GP5172@snowcrash.tpb.net> Message-ID: <1064844528.13982.117268.camel@dante> On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 08:29, Niels Bakker wrote: > * nick@zork.net (Nick Moffitt) [Sat 27 Sep 2003, 22:26 CEST]: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200309/msg00931.html > > It seems that you're trolling mailing lists for the sole purpose of > reporting replies to it here. Do you consider that pathetic as well? Nothing is as it appears to be. The Reference Desk detects traces of the badvogato underground at work. > I hope you flamed one of the posters for having a 6-line signature. As an aside, where the CEO's sig says "WE ARE THE STAKEHOLDERS", he's referring to the process by which vampires are dispatched. From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Mon Sep 29 11:27:59 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Web based converter that displays a file that must be converted with binhex Message-ID: Where is there a web based converter that would display the following?... --MS_Mac_OE_3147606913_21236287_MIME_Part Content-type: application/mac-binhex40; name="Member Policies" (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) :$dePE@*PFL"3EfaTBfPPF`"A1%*1690A4!#3!`*N!*!$!4iHAp$2%H#KX4VK!*! 32J!$!2lr#3!'!*!,!`#3!bd"!*!(%!!!,`%!!!%!N!2qrj!$!*!%+J%!!#X"!!! ... From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon Sep 29 11:53:06 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Web based converter that displays a file that must be converted with binhex In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:27:59 EDT." References: Message-ID: <200309291853.h8TIr6JZ003090@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:27:59 EDT, Don Saklad said: > Where is there a web based converter that would display the following?... > Content-type: application/mac-binhex40; name="Member Policies" > > (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) I suppose that the reference desk at the Boston Public Library could teach you how to use Google to find how to wrap a CGI script around BinHex so it would be web based. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 29 12:05:16 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Web based converter that displays a file that must be converted with binhex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030929190516.GI16014@zork.net> begin Don Saklad quotation: > Where is there a web based converter that would display the following?... > > > --MS_Mac_OE_3147606913_21236287_MIME_Part > Content-type: application/mac-binhex40; name="Member Policies" > > (This file must be converted with BinHex 4.0) > :$dePE@*PFL"3EfaTBfPPF`"A1%*1690A4!#3!`*N!*!$!4iHAp$2%H#KX4VK!*! > 32J!$!2lr#3!'!*!,!`#3!bd"!*!(%!!!,`%!!!%!N!2qrj!$!*!%+J%!!#X"!!! Not sure. I just installed uudeview on zork, and that will unpack BinHex files if you need. -- Support your droogs! end From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 29 12:09:44 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030929190943.GJ16014@zork.net> Once they all unsubscribe, then I can finally rest. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- greg@kroah.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 29 12:27:44 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkeyunsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20030929190943.GJ16014@zork.net> References: <20030929190943.GJ16014@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030929192803.QJV23248.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:09:44 -0700, Nick Moffitt said: > Once they all unsubscribe, then I can finally rest. But, on my signal, a far-flung network of sleeper cells will activate, sending legions of mindless minions to subscribe to CM. -- Bob Bernstein From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 29 12:43:24 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030929194324.GK16014@zork.net> Bob, subscribing all your stupid webmail accounts doesn't qualify as "waking the sleeper cells". ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Ed has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon Sep 29 12:58:05 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkeyunsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:27:44 EDT." <20030929192803.QJV23248.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20030929190943.GJ16014@zork.net> <20030929192803.QJV23248.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <200309291958.h8TJw56p002252@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:27:44 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > But, on my signal, a far-flung network of sleeper cells will activate, > sending legions of mindless minions to subscribe to CM. Oh, was THAT what the week-before-last's flood of both slashdot weenies was? From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 29 16:58:31 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030929235831.GL16014@zork.net> weak.NOJAM.org ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- JonM has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end From dismissed at enomem.net Mon Sep 29 17:30:14 2003 From: dismissed at enomem.net (Dismissed) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030929235831.GL16014@zork.net> References: <20030929235831.GL16014@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030930003014.GA26970@mikamyla.com> Quothe Nick Moffitt , on Mon, Sep 29, 2003: > weak.NOJAM.org > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > JonM has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. ha ha buug -- Fuck the constitution! Are we part of the solution, or part of the pollution? From jv at zork.net Tue Sep 30 13:48:43 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Req: service: password cracking: windows 2000 Message-ID: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> I've read enough on internet, lately, to want not to run some unknown benefactor's compiled code to access "My Documents" from a machine not mine own, but lent in trust. I characterise the beneficiaries of what documents some one might unlock as a local cannabis policy-forge. The representative of the cabal is under Federal Probation; so I'm confident(1) of the rep's good faith. Who were friendly disposed towards helping, and were safe in the ways of decrypting passwords from w2000... ... might consult directly with a representative of said would-be beneficiaries. My thanks for your considerarion. -jv... notorious radio-pirate p.s... (1) like bankruptcy, probation warrants trust, so to speak From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Sep 30 15:02:39 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Req: service: password cracking: windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> References: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030930220343.SNRF21398.lakemtao04.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:48:43 -0700, Juggler Vain said: > Who were friendly disposed towards helping, and were safe in the ways of > decrypting passwords from w2000... > > .... might consult directly with a representative of said would-be > beneficiaries. > > My thanks for your considerarion. -jv... notorious radio-pirate Is it me, or does this read like a new NIgerian scam? -- Bob Bernstein From andy at strugglers.net Tue Sep 30 15:13:47 2003 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Req: service: password cracking: windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <20030930220343.SNRF21398.lakemtao04.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> <20030930220343.SNRF21398.lakemtao04.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20030930221347.GV24304@lug.org.uk> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 06:02:39PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:48:43 -0700, Juggler Vain said: > > > Who were friendly disposed towards helping, and were safe in the ways of > > decrypting passwords from w2000... > > > > .... might consult directly with a representative of said would-be > > beneficiaries. > > > > My thanks for your considerarion. -jv... notorious radio-pirate > > Is it me, or does this read like a new NIgerian scam? Not just you. Is it jv who has been sending me these: http://strugglers.net/wtf.txt Calvary greetings from jesux. From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 30 21:13:14 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20031001041314.GS16014@zork.net> MENTOS! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- jepace@pacehouse.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Support your droogs! end