From necco at relst8.net Wed Oct 1 06:22:34 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! Message-ID: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> "ZynAddSubFX is a opensource software synthesizer capable of making a countless number of instruments, from some common heared from expensive hardware to interesting sounds that you'll boost to an amazing universe of sounds. The project started in March 2002, and I had written it because I wish to make a synthesizer that produces very beautiful sounds, but which is freely available to anybody who needs it. Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and don't make others to lose it!" -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 1 08:03:39 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001150339.GC4496@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > "ZynAddSubFX is a opensource software synthesizer capable of making a [...] > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and > Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the only way > to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and > don't make others to lose it!" You forgot the URL: http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/ -- Support your droogs! end From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 1 08:50:55 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001155054.GK29634@zgp.org> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation of Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:22:34AM -0400: > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and > Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the only way > to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and > don't make others to lose it!" http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=815952&group_id=1 -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 1 08:55:51 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001155054.GK29634@zgp.org> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> <20031001155054.GK29634@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20031001155551.GD4496@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation of Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:22:34AM -0400: > > > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God > > and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the > > only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this > > chance and don't make others to lose it!" > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=200001&aid=815952&group_id=1 IT IS TEXT/PLAIN BECAUSE IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD THX. -- Support your droogs! end From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Oct 1 10:47:34 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001174734.GA19090@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and > Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the only way > to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and > don't make others to lose it!" So, is that license Debian-compatable? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/exM0jLHcIq3dHxYRAiP3AKDx0XYGR/cgu9a1HVreaOXXWOx1fACgmzX5 Eih7d7pSy7WwECAIS6gfEJ4= =SZB8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From necco at relst8.net Wed Oct 1 11:21:39 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001174734.GA19090@8ball.wox.org> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> <20031001174734.GA19090@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20031001182139.GA21541@relst8.net> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:47:34PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God and > > Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the only way > > to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this chance and > > don't make others to lose it!" > > So, is that license Debian-compatable? > i bet the bigger question is, how long will it take for RMS to bitch and moan then boycot every distro it's included in? -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From crackmonkey at dekkers.org.uk Wed Oct 1 11:21:41 2003 From: crackmonkey at dekkers.org.uk (Crack? Monkeys? WTF?!?) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Req: service: password cracking: windows 2000 In-Reply-To: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> References: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> Message-ID: <20031001182142.2F5B73D7C4@www.fastmail.fm> > Who were friendly disposed towards helping, and were safe in the ways of > decrypting passwords from w2000... TPFKAL (the program formerly know as l0phtcrack). http://www.atstake.com/research/lc/ have fun with your bosses pr0n collection. YOU DISGUSTING PERVERT!!!!!! There are two types of people in the world: good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours more. From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 1 11:32:21 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] New Hampshire Message-ID: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> If you don't like it...go back to Libertaria! http://www.freestateproject.org/nhrelease.htm -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 1 11:44:39 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001182139.GA21541@relst8.net> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> <20031001174734.GA19090@8ball.wox.org> <20031001182139.GA21541@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001184439.GC18526@zgp.org> zless /usr/share/doc/perl/README.gz -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From necco at relst8.net Wed Oct 1 11:55:39 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> References: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20031001185538.GA21697@relst8.net> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:32:21AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > If you don't like it...go back to Libertaria! > http://www.freestateproject.org/nhrelease.htm > actualy i think this guy came to my door the other day asking if i had found Jesus the "right" way yet... http://freestateproject.org/images/jason1.jpg -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Wed Oct 1 11:58:37 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] password cracking etc. In-Reply-To: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> References: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> Message-ID: <20031001185837.GA21064@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 01:48:43PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: >Who were friendly disposed towards helping, and were safe in the ways >of decrypting passwords from w2000... ... might consult directly with a >representative of said would-be beneficiaries. Alice felt dreadfully puzzled. The Juggler's remark seemed to her to have no sort of meaning in it, and yet it was certainly English. -- Matthew W. Miller From necco at relst8.net Wed Oct 1 12:16:03 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <20031001185538.GA21697@relst8.net> References: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> <20031001185538.GA21697@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001191602.GA21756@relst8.net> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:55:39PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:32:21AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > > If you don't like it...go back to Libertaria! > > http://www.freestateproject.org/nhrelease.htm > > > > actualy i think this guy came to my door the other day asking if i had > found Jesus the "right" way yet... > > http://freestateproject.org/images/jason1.jpg > also i should say, wait till they find out how much taxes are here, for a house that's $100,000, you pay almost $24,000 on it alone.. i won't even go into what i have to pay :/ -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From jv at zork.net Wed Oct 1 14:11:51 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: Front-Loaded Funds: [!CrackMonkey!] New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <20031001191602.GA21756@relst8.net> References: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> <20031001185538.GA21697@relst8.net> <20031001191602.GA21756@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031001211150.GB13817@zork.net> Reductions in recurring property-taxes endowed by "property-sales-tax" fund... sure to rub some folks wrong; they can live in "No-Load Ville": begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 02:55:39PM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 11:32:21AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > > > If you don't like it...go back to Libertaria! > > > http://www.freestateproject.org/nhrelease.htm ... Loki's first quip: > > actualy i think this guy came to my door the other day asking if i had > > found Jesus the "right" way yet... > > http://freestateproject.org/images/jason1.jpg ... actually, I think that Elizabeth, from her appearance [http://freestateproject.org/images/eliz_pub-photo-color.tif], looks to have found Jesus *my* way. > also i should say, wait till they find out how much taxes are here, > for a house that's $100,000, you pay almost $24,000 on it alone.. i > won't even go into what i have to pay :/ Wait till you catch onto how [http://www.freestateproject.org] proposes to re-cast taxes from an avoidance-dance to bidding-war... ... The Sovereign collects taxes from subjects... end-users... black hole... executive session... ... citizens... equity-partners... investing individually, neighbourly, regionally... loans "insured" by Gadfly Citizens' Awareness... ... of course, some folk'll wanna' leave. But, !woo-hoo, New Hampshire... New Hampshire to Montana: "?Got Coast". Also, I should say, "Micropower" Radio. -jv... notorious radio-pirate ~ From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Oct 1 16:57:19 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] softsynth for Jesus! In-Reply-To: <20031001182139.GA21541@relst8.net> References: <20031001132234.GA20759@relst8.net> <20031001174734.GA19090@8ball.wox.org> <20031001182139.GA21541@relst8.net> Message-ID: <200310011957.19664.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Loki Ambrodious von Esling: | On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:47:34PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: | > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | > Hash: SHA1 | > | > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: | > > Please don't use this program to make music that is against God | > > and Jesus Christ (eg. HeavyMetal, NewAge,..etc..). Think that the | > > only way to the Salvation is Jesus Christ. Please don't lose this | > > chance and don't make others to lose it!" | > | > So, is that license Debian-compatable? | | i bet the bigger question is, how long will it take for RMS to bitch | and moan then boycot every distro it's included in? or issue a message to some obscure newsgroup someplace saying, "that's absolutely right: i *am* the only way to the salvation." -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz From tallpaul at ml1.net Wed Oct 1 19:12:11 2003 From: tallpaul at ml1.net (Paul M) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] New Hampshire In-Reply-To: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> References: <20031001183221.GB18526@zgp.org> Message-ID: <1065060731.2886.238.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> On Wed, 2003-10-01 at 19:32, Don Marti wrote: > If you don't like it...go back to Libertaria! > http://www.freestateproject.org/nhrelease.htm But with poetry this good(http://www.freestateproject.org/Song_for_a_Free_State.htm) they're bound to succeed! Hey the guy that wrote thats a real smart cookie. Look he's figured out why pandas don't breed in captivity - its all down to gubberment interference by the damn commies (http://www.freestateproject.com/afternoon.htm) thanks to the free market they'll be able to turn New Hampshire into a giant Bamboo forest and there will be Panda kebobs for all. This made my paper this morning and they interviewed a couple of people who'd signed up - only they were brits (b..b..but they'll be no immigration control) I can just imagine the scene at JFK. Purpose of visit - grow marijuana, fuck with democracy and oh I'd quite like to secede as well. I'm gonna get 20 000 people to move to heavily socialistic Hawaii with me and demand free welfare - the weathers much better and I won't have to eat Panda kebobs. Paul M and thats kebab if you know whats good for you. From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 1 21:01:32 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha IRM Message-ID: <20031002040132.GL10207@zork.net> http://douglas.min.net/ha-ha-irm.png Ha ha IRM. -- Support your droogs! end From necco at relst8.net Wed Oct 1 21:24:54 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha IRM In-Reply-To: <20031002040132.GL10207@zork.net> References: <20031002040132.GL10207@zork.net> Message-ID: <20031002042454.GA23603@relst8.net> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 09:01:32PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://douglas.min.net/ha-ha-irm.png > > Ha ha IRM. ...so basicly it's gpg you pay for? -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From daniel at benzedrine.cx Thu Oct 2 00:40:47 2003 From: daniel at benzedrine.cx (Daniel Hartmeier) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha IRM In-Reply-To: <20031002042454.GA23603@relst8.net> References: <20031002040132.GL10207@zork.net> <20031002042454.GA23603@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20031002074047.GA11920@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> On Thu, Oct 02, 2003 at 12:24:54AM -0400, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > ...so basicly it's gpg you pay for? Kinda, you also hand over your private key with the money. Comparing it with gpg is an insult to gpg. Daniel From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Thu Oct 2 11:06:28 2003 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (Matthew W. Miller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] password cracking wants to be free In-Reply-To: <20031001182142.2F5B73D7C4@www.fastmail.fm> References: <20030930204843.GC29191@zork.net> <20031001182142.2F5B73D7C4@www.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <20031002180628.GA27813@columbus.rr.com> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 07:21:41PM +0100, Crack? Monkeys? WTF?!? wrote: >TPFKAL (the program formerly know as l0phtcrack). >http://www.atstake.com/research/lc/ "LC4 installs initially in a 15 day Trial mode in which the brute force crack is not available. Registering LC4 provides you with an unlock code that enables full and continued use of the product." Which means there are almost certainly l0phtcrack cracks floating around the Web somewhere. Which seems like poetic justice, somehow. -- Matthew W. Miller From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Oct 3 13:36:26 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] occasionally the good guys win Message-ID: <200310031636.26267.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3087071 VeriSign (Quote, Chart) Friday confirmed that it will comply with a demand issued by the Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) and suspend its controversial Site Finder service. ICANN, which is charged with ensuring the stability of the domain name system (define), issued its demand in a letter to VeriSign Friday morning. "ICANN is disappointed that VeriSign has not suspended the service despite the widespread reports of adverse effects from these changes," ICANN President and CEO Paul Twomey said in a statement Friday. "Although ICANN takes this step reluctantly, we are left with no choice but to enforce the provisions of our contract with VeriSign." . . . -- dep in some places, "lawyer" and "liar" are homonyms; in all places, "lawyer" and "liar" are synonyms. From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 3 14:20:30 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] occasionally the good guys win In-Reply-To: <200310031636.26267.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200310031636.26267.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20031003212030.GA954@zgp.org> begin dep quotation of Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 04:36:26PM -0400: > http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3087071 > > VeriSign (Quote, Chart) Friday confirmed that it will comply with a > demand issued by the Internet Corp. for Assigned Names and Numbers > (ICANN) and suspend its controversial Site Finder service. This gives everyone just enough time to upgrade the nameserver before they bring it back with a new privacy policy. http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html It's too many eyeballs for them to give up totally without a fight. -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 4 15:47:15 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Call/CC Considered Harmful Message-ID: <20031004224715.GL30340@zork.net> Okay, so I finally figured it out: http://zork.net/motd/nick/scheme/2003/10/04#call-with-current-continuation So what do I win? -- Support your droogs! end From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 4 16:12:02 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Call/CC Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20031004224715.GL30340@zork.net> References: <20031004224715.GL30340@zork.net> Message-ID: <20031004231202.GM30340@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://zork.net/motd/nick/scheme/2003/10/04#call-with-current-continuation The French seem to agree with me: http://www.eleves.ens.fr:8080/home/madore/computers/callcc.html | At its heart, call/cc is something like the goto instruction (or | rather, like a label for a goto instruction); but a Grand High | Exalted goto instruction. I feel so Exalted. -- Support your droogs! end From destiny at zork.net Mon Oct 6 08:05:59 2003 From: destiny at zork.net (destiny) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown is dead, part II Message-ID: <20031006150559.9BB402AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Even Archive.org's cache of Leisuretown is dead now... http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.leisuretown.com Though ironically, the site's PayPal donation page is still active. http://www.leisuretown.com/donate.html From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 6 08:12:01 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown is dead, part II In-Reply-To: <20031006150559.9BB402AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> References: <20031006150559.9BB402AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Message-ID: <20031006151201.GB26524@zork.net> begin destiny quotation: > Even Archive.org's cache of Leisuretown is dead now... > > http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.leisuretown.com I suspect this has something to do with The Dilbert Hole. -- Support your droogs! end From vipvop-cm at musesick.org Mon Oct 6 14:10:58 2003 From: vipvop-cm at musesick.org (MC MeatFlaps) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Leisuretown is dead, part II In-Reply-To: <20031006150559.9BB402AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> References: <20031006150559.9BB402AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Message-ID: <20031006211058.GA8646@gregh.ilan.cogent.net> On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:05:59AM -0400, destiny wrote: > Even Archive.org's cache of Leisuretown is dead now... > http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.leisuretown.com Goddamn it, I had been meaning to mirror the archive.org copy, anyone know of any other mirrors? From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Tue Oct 7 00:15:49 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to censor a guide to problematical library use. Message-ID: How to censor a guide to problematical library use. Here's the archives and archivists censoring of a guide to problematical library use or attempts at censoring... At the archives and archivists link http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html -- Click on Search the archives Enter the Search for saklad oo Leave blank subject and author -- Enter the date Since, for example... 24 September 2003 Enter the date Until, today for example 7 October 2003 archives and archivists search link http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?S1=archives Search Results: 31 matches. Item # Date Time Recs Subject 072162 03/10/03 18:12 35 Re: To cheese or not to cheese 072166 03/10/03 13:11 40 Re: Cheeese you say was Re: Looking to Borrow Some Arguments 072159 03/10/03 13:00 91 To cheese or not to cheese 072146 03/10/03 10:19 42 Fried Cheese Curds... 072140 03/10/03 08:16 200 Re: Cheeese you say was Re: Looking to Borrow Some Arguments 072080 03/10/01 10:16 63 Re: FYI -- Saklad, or DS PC BS 072078 03/10/01 09:36 86 Re: FYI--Saklad 072072 03/09/30 20:25 106 Re: FYI--Saklad 072060 03/09/30 14:33 71 Re: Do Not Call List 072056 03/09/30 13:12 44 Re: FYI--Saklad 072059 03/09/30 13:01 49 Do Not Call List 072061 03/09/30 12:09 102 Re: Do Not Call List 072050 03/09/30 10:43 206 Re: FYI--Saklad / Listserv reply-to format 072049 03/09/30 10:34 48 Re: FYI--Saklad 072046 03/09/30 10:23 55 Re: FYI--Saklad 072045 03/09/30 10:05 77 Re: FYI--Saklad 072044 03/09/30 09:58 33 Re: FYI--Saklad 072043 03/09/30 09:50 58 Re: FYI--Saklad 072041 03/09/30 09:23 48 Re: FYI--Saklad 072055 03/09/30 08:57 115 Re: FYI--Saklad 072051 03/09/30 08:49 82 Re: FYI--Saklad 072038 03/09/30 08:46 35 FYI--Saklad 072040 03/09/30 08:17 70 Re: FYI--Saklad 072039 03/09/30 07:50 35 Re: FYI--Saklad 071953 03/09/25 19:18 52 Intelligent agents. 071951 03/09/25 19:02 30 Intelligent agents. 071949 03/09/25 17:02 70 Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal 071915 03/09/25 16:31 41 AW: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal 071910 03/09/25 08:44 34 Action Plan FY2004 071899 03/09/24 15:56 231 Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal 071900 03/09/24 15:01 133 Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Item #72162 (3 Oct 2003 18:12) - Re: To cheese or not to cheese Without much to say about the controverse Don Saklad, why not see one day in his life? See and smile or laugh or cry ... whatever: Item #72166 (3 Oct 2003 13:11) - Re: Cheeese you say was Re: Looking to Borrow Some Arguments ron excellent point. If you will review my messages concerning the banning of Mr. Saklad you will find that I was opposed to it on the grounds that the policy was not being applied properly. Item #72159 (3 Oct 2003 13:00) - To cheese or not to cheese In the first place, referring to Don Saklad as having "genuine issues" is laughable. Anyone on this list for long enough recognizes that DS is a Item #72146 (3 Oct 2003 10:19) - Fried Cheese Curds... Saklad was far more interesting than this .... Item #72140 (3 Oct 2003 08:16) - Re: Cheeese you say was Re: Looking to Borrow Some Arguments Saklad was far more interesting than this .... Item #72080 (1 Oct 2003 10:16) - Re: FYI -- Saklad, or DS PC BS From: Harry Heiss Subject: Re: FYI -- Saklad, or DS PC BS MIME-Version: 1.0 <>
<<Don Saklad's posts are not the problem.  The problem is with the members of the list who can't just delete and let it be.>>
Item #72078 (1 Oct 2003 09:36) - Re: FYI--Saklad Organization: New Hampshire Political Library Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Alex Pezzati Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad > >Hello Everyone, > >Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to Item #72072 (30 Sep 2003 20:25) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Russell J Burkel Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad MIME-Version: 1.0 Don Saklad has a right to be heard, just like any other American. I think from time to time we must all (including myself) be reminded of How does this apply to Don Saklad? There are two simple solutions, both of which protect his right of free speech. > the > > terms of participation of this list if they want to reject Saklad > on the > > grounds of relevance. All of Saklad's postings about the BPL have > dealt > issues, > > and records management of reference requests. If Saklad is going > to be Item #72060 (30 Sep 2003 14:33) - Re: Do Not Call List >For those of you who enjoy Mr. Saklad's off-topic postings, I'm sure you >haven't signed up for the National Do Not Call List. >Give me a break. Defending Mr. Saklad is political correctness run >amok. He has the right to yell whatever he wants in the wind. He does >Mark >(who last week tried to to get a civilized reply from Mr. Saklad re: his >anger re: the BPL. Fat chance-all I got was his android response of Item #72056 (30 Sep 2003 13:12) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Peter Kurilecz Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad > I would suggest that the Listserve Advisory Committee revise the > terms of participation of this list if they want to reject Saklad on the > grounds of relevance. All of Saklad's postings about the BPL have dealt > squarely with public records issues, reference services, access issues, > and records management of reference requests. If Saklad is going to be > cut off at all, there needs to be other grounds. Item #72059 (30 Sep 2003 13:01) - Do Not Call List Good riddance Mr. Saklad. For those of you who enjoy Mr. Saklad's off-topic postings, I'm sure you haven't signed up for the National Do Not Call List. Give me a break. Defending Mr. Saklad is political correctness run amok. He has the right to yell whatever he wants in the wind. He does Mark (who last week tried to to get a civilized reply from Mr. Saklad re: his anger re: the BPL. Fat chance-all I got was his android response of Item #72061 (30 Sep 2003 12:09) - Re: Do Not Call List will place your messages in the same folder as his. As for responding to Mr. Saklad, I have never taken it upon myself to do so, but then I don't hit unsubscribe when a spammer emails me either. Good riddance Mr. Saklad. For those of you who enjoy Mr. Saklad's off-topic postings, I'm sure you haven't signed up for the National Do Not Call List. Give me a break. Defending Mr. Saklad is political correctness run amok. He has the right to yell whatever he wants in the wind. He does not have Mark (who last week tried to to get a civilized reply from Mr. Saklad re: his anger re: the BPL. Fat chance-all I got was his android response of Item #72050 (30 Sep 2003 10:43) - Re: FYI--Saklad / Listserv reply-to format From: "FILIATREAU, AMY (SBC-MSI)" Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad / Listserv reply-to format MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:35 AM
To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU
Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad


At = 09:58 AM Item #72049 (30 Sep 2003 10:34) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: "Anne M. Baker" Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad In-Reply-To: Item #72046 (30 Sep 2003 10:23) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: "Sokolow, Daniel" Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad MIME-Version: 1.0 Item #72045 (30 Sep 2003 10:05) - Re: FYI--Saklad Organization: University of Vermont Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Peter Kurilecz And may I add that posters also didn't know how to control their rhetoric. Regardless of how annoying Mr. Saklad was, the open insults and cruel jokes about him that went out on this email site about him were appalling > > >Don Saklad's posts are not the problem. The problem is with the members of > >the list who can't just delete and let it be. Item #72044 (30 Sep 2003 09:58) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Peter Kurilecz Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Item #72043 (30 Sep 2003 09:50) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Alex Pezzati Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.5.2.20030930083444.04df4f50@staff.lib.muohio.edu> >Hello Everyone, >Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to >the list despite a request from the list coordinator to keep his postings Item #72041 (30 Sep 2003 09:23) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Peter Kurilecz Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Sarah Jackson >Don Saklad's posts are not the problem. The problem is with the members of >the list who can't just delete and let it be. Item #72055 (30 Sep 2003 08:57) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Todd Gilliom Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Bob Schmidt I would suggest that the Listserve Advisory Committee revise the terms of participation of this list if they want to reject Saklad on the grounds of relevance. All of Saklad's postings about the BPL have dealt squarely with public records issues, reference services, access issues, and records management of reference requests. If Saklad is going to be cut off at all, there needs to be other grounds. It sounds like the real O.EDU> cc: Sent by: Archives & Subject: FYI--Saklad Archivists Hello Everyone, Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to the list despite a request from the list coordinator to keep his postings Item #72051 (30 Sep 2003 08:49) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Chris Flynn Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad MIME-Version: 1.0 two and my name will be forwarded to Homeland Security. That the "committee" has placed me in Mr. Saklad's camp (or is that Sokolow? I always confuse the two) is indeed a tragic occurrence. Having had an opportunity to clash with To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Subject: FYI--Saklad Hello Everyone, Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to the list despite a request from the list coordinator to keep his postings on Item #72038 (30 Sep 2003 08:46) - FYI--Saklad From: Bob Schmidt Subject: FYI--Saklad Mime-Version: 1.0 Hello Everyone, Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to the list despite a request from the list coordinator to keep his postings Item #72040 (30 Sep 2003 08:17) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: Russell Baker Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Bob Schmidt To: ARCHIVES@LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU Subject: FYI--Saklad Hello Everyone, Given Don Saklad's continued posting of items of questionable relevance to the list despite a request from the list coordinator to keep his Item #72039 (30 Sep 2003 07:50) - Re: FYI--Saklad From: "Jackson, Sarah (FPM)" Subject: Re: FYI--Saklad Comments: To: Bob Schmidt Do I like Don Saklad's posts? - no. Do I even read them? - no. Do I delete with frequency? - yes. Don Saklad's posts are not the problem. The problem is with the members of the list who can't just delete and let it be. Item #71953 (25 Sep 2003 19:18) - Intelligent agents. Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:18:52 -0400 Reply-To: Don Saklad Sender: Archives & Archivists From: Don Saklad Subject: Intelligent agents. Item #71951 (25 Sep 2003 19:02) - Intelligent agents. Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 19:02:17 -0400 Reply-To: Don Saklad Sender: Archives & Archivists From: Don Saklad Subject: Intelligent agents. Item #71949 (25 Sep 2003 17:02) - Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal Personally, I have a Don Saklad filter, and when I log into my email every morning and find 3 messages already in the deleted items folder, I know that Item #71915 (25 Sep 2003 16:31) - AW: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal (http://www.stormloader.com/saklad/don.html), most of the eMail addresses Mr Saklad uses belong to the artificial intelligence lab at MIT. Strange coincidence? Item #71910 (25 Sep 2003 08:44) - Action Plan FY2004 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 08:44:22 -0400 Reply-To: Don Saklad Sender: Archives & Archivists From: Don Saklad Subject: Action Plan FY2004 Item #71899 (24 Sep 2003 15:56) - Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal Not necessarily. Frankly, having grown very tired of Mr. Saklad's ranting over the years, I have set a rule in my MS Outlook to automatically place size=2>Not necessarily.  Frankly, having grown very tired of Mr. Saklad's ranting over the years, I have set a rule in my MS Outlook to automatically place his messages in the delete folder.  I Item #71900 (24 Sep 2003 15:01) - Re: Boston Public Library Reorganization Proposal Not necessarily. Frankly, having grown very tired of Mr. Saklad's ranting over the years, I have set a rule in my MS Outlook to automatically place size=2>Not necessarily.  Frankly, having grown very tired of Mr. Saklad's ranting over the years, I have set a rule in my MS Outlook to automatically place his messages in the delete folder.  How to censor a guide to problematical library use. Here's the archives and archivists censoring of a guide to problematical library use or attempts at censoring... At the archives and archivists link http://listserv.muohio.edu/archives/archives.html -- Click on Search the archives Enter the Search for saklad oo Leave blank subject and author -- Enter the date Since, for example... 24 September 2003 Enter the date Until, today for example 7 October 2003 archives and archivists search link http://listserv.muohio.edu/scripts/wa.exe?S1=archives From destiny at zork.net Tue Oct 7 11:10:26 2003 From: destiny at zork.net (destiny) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Georgy attacked Message-ID: <20031007181026.BF2102AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> 26-year-old software engineer Georgy Russell is one of California's 134 governor candidates. Sunday she was attacked, kicked and hit, at an Arnold Schwarzenegger rally. http://www.georgyforgov.com/press14.php Georgy says that "Schwarzeneggar and his wife Maria Shriver witnessed the attack and neither said or did anything to stop the abuse." From tomduffy at dslextreme.com Tue Oct 7 12:05:50 2003 From: tomduffy at dslextreme.com (Tom Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Georgy attacked In-Reply-To: <20031007181026.BF2102AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> References: <20031007181026.BF2102AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> Message-ID: <1065553515.1870.1.camel@biznatch.sfbay.sun.com> On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 11:10, destiny wrote: > 26-year-old software engineer Georgy Russell is one of California's 134 > governor candidates. Sunday she was attacked, kicked and hit, at an > Arnold Schwarzenegger rally. I wonder if Schwartzy tried to grab her ass too. -- "If we have to use force, it is because we are America! We are the indispensable nation! We stand tall and see further into the future." -- Madeleine Albright on NBC's Today Show, Feb 19, 1998 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 7 12:10:24 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Georgy attacked In-Reply-To: <1065553515.1870.1.camel@biznatch.sfbay.sun.com> References: <20031007181026.BF2102AA07@earl-grey.cloud9.net> <1065553515.1870.1.camel@biznatch.sfbay.sun.com> Message-ID: <20031007191023.GA17548@zork.net> begin Tom Duffy quotation: > On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 11:10, destiny wrote: > > 26-year-old software engineer Georgy Russell is one of > > California's 134 governor candidates. Sunday she was attacked, > > kicked and hit, at an Arnold Schwarzenegger rally. > > I wonder if Schwartzy tried to grab her ass too. According to that Web site, he just likes to watch. -- Support your droogs! end From dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu Wed Oct 8 22:56:55 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.csail.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ Message-ID: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ From jason at sopko.net Thu Oct 9 02:59:58 2003 From: jason at sopko.net (Jason Sopko) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F85319E.5090100@sopko.net> Don Saklad wrote: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ Am I the only person on the list who doesn't give a fuck about the Boston library? ///Jason From radix42 at cox.net Thu Oct 9 03:17:00 2003 From: radix42 at cox.net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ In-Reply-To: <3F85319E.5090100@sopko.net> References: Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031009031528.01e57c40@pop.west.cox.net> At 02:59 AM 10/9/2003, you wrote: >Don Saklad wrote: >>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ > >Am I the only person on the list who doesn't give a fuck about the Boston >library? > >///Jason No. I'm hoping (probably in vain) that Don posting this link means that he'll lay off of the library madness on crackmonkey, now that anyone here who cares knows where to go to get their dose of Library Madness. But I'm not holding my breath. From neuro at well.com Thu Oct 9 03:29:35 2003 From: neuro at well.com (William Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/contrarianlibrarian/ In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031009031528.01e57c40@pop.west.cox.net> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031009031528.01e57c40@pop.west.cox.net> Message-ID: <3F85388F.6030108@well.com> David Mercer wrote: > [more bpl snippage] > > No. I'm hoping (probably in vain) that Don posting this link means that > he'll > lay off of the library madness on crackmonkey, now that anyone here who > cares > knows where to go to get their dose of Library Madness. Amen to that. > But I'm not holding my breath. Can't you? You could do a sponsored breath holding contest in honour of the mighty and mystical BPL. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _________ "When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb." -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 9 08:39:45 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20031009153945.GB4828@zork.net> Damn you all! This one actually CARED ABOUT THE BOSTON PUBLIC LIBRARY and couldn't BEAR the thought that you'd all shoo Don Saklad off! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- wilder@eskimo.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The hackers control the means of abstraction! end From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Oct 9 13:59:21 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] another benificiary of msft's largesse makes good Message-ID: <200310091659.21846.dep@linuxandmain.com> or, what's 18 percent of a shadow of its former self? http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20031009.wcorel1009/BNStory/Business/ Corel Corp. is laying off 18 per cent of its global work force six weeks after being taken over by San Francisco-based investment firm Vector Capital. . . . -- dep Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Oct 11 19:33:08 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] baseball == violence Message-ID: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Baseball rocks the house in Boston!!! "Boston police say they plan to charge two New York Yankees players with assault and battery after an incident in the Yankees bullpen tonight." http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123 -- Bob Bernstein From necco at relst8.net Sat Oct 11 19:54:24 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] baseball == violence In-Reply-To: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20031012025424.GA22380@relst8.net> On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 10:33:08PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > Baseball rocks the house in Boston!!! > > "Boston police say they plan to charge two New York Yankees players > with assault and battery after an incident in the Yankees bullpen > tonight." > > > http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs2003/news/story?id=1636123 if you support the yankees, then the terrorists have already won -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 12 10:21:36 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20031012172136.GA26554@zork.net> I wonder how many dorks were visible through that address. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- list-crackmonkey@bkor.dhs.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- The hackers control the means of abstraction! end From necco at relst8.net Sun Oct 12 10:48:41 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20031012172136.GA26554@zork.net> References: <20031012172136.GA26554@zork.net> Message-ID: <20031012174841.GA30850@relst8.net> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 10:21:36AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I wonder how many dorks were visible through that address. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > > list-crackmonkey@bkor.dhs.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. BKORRRRRRR.. AND THE SNOOWWW DOGGGGGGG... Pfft, bad attempt at Rush lyrical hilarity... -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Sun Oct 12 11:03:51 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] baseball == violence In-Reply-To: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Bob Bernstein wrote: > "Boston police say they plan to charge two New York Yankees players > with assault and battery after an incident in the Yankees bullpen > tonight." what a crock of shit. Even the Red Sox grounds crew are assholes. I used to enjoy the Red Sox and their annual miserable meltdown. I found it to be a pleasant part of the traditional baseball season. However, after seeing Pedro Martinez throw at Karim Garcia's back, and then point at his head and say "I'll hit you in the head" and then tackle a 72 year old man,I have to say that the Red Sox really are a bunch of dirtbags. Manny Ramirez gets upset about a pitch that was over the plate... the Red Sox staff can't act like professionals... it all leads to the same conclusion. The Red Sox are a disgrace to baseball, and I hope they don't return to the playoffs until 2118, and I hope the Yankees are there to crush their spirits. Again. From CountAlameda at zork.net Sun Oct 12 11:10:35 2003 From: CountAlameda at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] baseball == violence In-Reply-To: References: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20031012181035.GA32201@zork.net> begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > what a crock of shit. Even the Red Sox grounds crew are assholes. Okay, fuckit. This list needed a good rmlist for a long time. Fuck all of you people. -- The hackers control the means of abstraction! end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Oct 12 11:45:16 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] baseball == violence In-Reply-To: References: <20031012023336.MVBY7826.lakemtao01.cox.net@trollboy.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20031012184516.GA3276@callisto.jtan.com> On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 11:03:51AM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > Even the Red Sox grounds crew are assholes. Hey, this guy was evidently a member of that generation raised on PBS "public service" announcements urging us all to be "more passionate!" And now you quibble with the end result? Of course they're assholes. They're TRUE BELIEVERS. > I used to enjoy the Red Sox and their annual miserable meltdown. Which puts you in line for the "World Class Masochist Rookie of The Year" award. > However, after seeing Pedro Martinez throw at Karim Garcia's back, and > then point at his head and say "I'll hit you in the head" The dustoff was just that: a dustoff. They're part of every team's game. The tape replay showed the ball didn't even hit Garcia, but his bat instead. That said, Pedro's gesture to his head was totally unforgiveable, and should draw some sort of sanction from the league, which you and I will never see during our natural lifetimes. It's one thing to say after a game, as Clemens did yesterday (paraphrasing), "Hey, if I want to hit you in the head, there'll be no doubt about it when it happens.", but it's another thing to signal your intent to do so during a game. > and then tackle a 72 year old man,I have to say that the Red Sox > really are a bunch of dirtbags. You'd think a man of thirty one years of age in excellent physical condition, atheletically endowed (or so we're told) could have done a better job at fending off what was admittedly a headlong charge directly at him by Zim. Then again, it's not clear that Zimmer is that good on his feet anymore, so that any interruption of his freight-trainish approach probabably would have put him on the ground, regardless of intent. > Manny Ramirez gets upset about a pitch that was over the plate... No one is arguing that one. Manny, unfortunately, keys off of his role model and culture hero, Pedro. He's an embarassment and has been one all year. Someone who has followed the game for a LONG time told me that some day Manny will stroll down the first base path after hitting one out of the yard, and earn himself a real beanball next time up for his troubles. Sounds good to me. -- Bob Bernstein