From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Jul 1 15:49:14 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ballmer found washed up on south american coast Message-ID: <200307011849.14986.dep@linuxandmain.com> Steve "Billiard" Ballmer, the tubby thug who runs Microsoft Corporation while its founder, Bill Gates III watches "Casino Royale" over and over, has been found on the Chilean coast, his condition unknown. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01159860.htm -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Jul 1 15:52:00 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ballmer found washed up on south american coast In-Reply-To: <200307011849.14986.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200307011849.14986.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030701225200.GI20392@zork.net> quoting http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N01159860.htm: > The dead creature was mistaken for a beached whale when first > reported about a week ago, but experts who went to see it said the > 40-foot-long (12-meter) mass of decomposing lumpy grey flesh > apparently was an invertebrate. [...] > There was speculation that the mass might be a whale skin, but > Cabrera said it was too big and did not have the right texture or > smell. When you can recognize the corpses of sea creatures by the smell, it's time to switch jobs. -- end From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Jul 2 11:50:47 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] translation Message-ID: <20030702185047.GN29996@zgp.org> http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=121303 http://lwn.net/Articles/38460/ Isn't "mal fou" more like "crazy badness"? -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Wed Jul 2 12:14:48 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] translation In-Reply-To: <20030702185047.GN29996@zgp.org> References: <20030702185047.GN29996@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030702191448.GA7907@callisto.jtan.com> On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 11:50:47AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Isn't "mal fou" more like "crazy badness"? Perhaps too literal, especially for an idiom. However, fwiw, 'mal fou' isn't in my Cassell's, either under mal, or fou. -- Bob Bernstein From nick at zork.net Sat Jul 5 17:04:51 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Commonwealth Club Ad Parodies Message-ID: <20030706000451.GM22313@zork.net> http://www.biggerhand.com/before/000063.php Beaujolais to the 12 galaxies! -- end From marco4linux at earthlink.net Sat Jul 5 19:33:24 2003 From: marco4linux at earthlink.net (Marco Scoffier) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] translation In-Reply-To: <20030702185047.GN29996@zgp.org> References: <20030702185047.GN29996@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030706023324.GA527@metm.org> On Wed, Jul 02, 2003 at 11:50:47AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=121303 > http://lwn.net/Articles/38460/ > > Isn't "mal fou" more like "crazy badness"? > "with great (crazy) difficulty" -- Marco From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Jul 7 14:03:57 2003 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] smb exceeds web as resume dissemination medium Message-ID: LeslieBurkeE: yeah though type smbstatus on castrovalva SPDSR: I saw LeslieBurkeE: there is some weird dude from China logged in. LeslieBurkeE: there's always someone or other. LeslieBurkeE: who the hell are these people, and how do they know us? LeslieBurkeE: I should put something up there for them, like some porn or something. SPDSR: probablr from a port scan SPDSR: at random LeslieBurkeE: like, if i could get as many people to look at my web page as try to break into my fileserver, i'd have all these job offers by now. -- The Grand Turk: But we're winning. Horatio Jackson: Well, we surrendered last time. The Grand Turk: Ah. What about the virgins? Horatio Jackson: Oh, please. Forget about the virgins. We're _out_ of virgins. From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Jul 8 17:57:06 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Howard Dean fever sweeps USA! Powered by PHP! Message-ID: <20030709005706.GC15272@zgp.org> "The goal of hack4dean is to build the tools that will help connect the various strands of the grassroots into a co-ordinated voice." http://www.hack4dean.org/ Page generated 12 queries! Howard Dean SQL frenzy! Yee ha! -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Jul 9 14:11:09 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] next time you're at the dr.'s office . . . Message-ID: <200307091711.09367.dep@linuxandmain.com> better get checked for this: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Jul 9 14:18:25 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] next time you're at the dr.'s office . . . Message-ID: <200307091718.25907.dep@linuxandmain.com> better get checked for this: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Jul 9 10:34:13 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] next time you're at the dr.'s office . . . Message-ID: <200307091334.13396.dep@linuxandmain.com> better get checked for this: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Jul 9 15:11:43 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] next time you're at the dr.'s office . . . In-Reply-To: <200307091718.25907.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200307091711.09367.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200307091334.13396.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200307091718.25907.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200307091711.09367.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200307091334.13396.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20030709221143.GB16946@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > better get checked for this: > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html > -- > dep begin dep quotation: > better get checked for this: > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html > -- > dep begin dep quotation: > better get checked for this: > > http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_798238.html > -- > dep OK SURE THING I WILL THX -- end From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Jul 9 15:29:09 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] next time you're at the dr.'s office . . . In-Reply-To: <20030709221143.GB16946@zork.net> References: <200307091718.25907.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200307091334.13396.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20030709221143.GB16946@zork.net> Message-ID: <200307091829.09683.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco: | OK SURE THING I WILL THX good. you gotta say everything three times to brainworm victims. (also, in greek orthodox services, but i do not know of any connection.) good. you gotta say everything three times to brainworm victims. (also, in greek orthodox services, but i do not know of any connection.) good. you gotta say everything three times to brainworm victims. (also, in greek orthodox services, but i do not know of any connection.) -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Sat Jul 12 19:37:02 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030713023702.GB16946@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Phil has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end From carlos at baldric.uwo.ca Tue Jul 15 18:03:06 2003 From: carlos at baldric.uwo.ca (Yar) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] History seen through the eyes of art. Message-ID: <20030716010306.GA5715@systemhalted> http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/ c. From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Jul 15 18:41:38 2003 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] History seen through the eyes of art. In-Reply-To: <20030716010306.GA5715@systemhalted> References: <20030716010306.GA5715@systemhalted> Message-ID: <20030716014138.GA20074@movealong.org> Just now Yar made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/ Oh. You must be new to the Internet. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From nick at zork.net Tue Jul 15 19:02:28 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> TIMMY TOOMEY That's just too precious. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- timmy has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Jul 15 20:25:50 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030716032550.GB28825@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 07:02:28PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > TIMMY TOOMEY > That's just too precious. Maybe for you Bay Area pansies, but let's see you say that to Mr. Toomey's face after the two of you have downed several beverages in any of a number of taverns in North Cambridge, Somerville (Magouin Sq., say) or Southie - where man are men and goddamn manly about it too! -- Bob Bernstein From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Jul 15 20:41:16 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030716032550.GB28825@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> <20030716032550.GB28825@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030716034116.GC28825@callisto.jtan.com> On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:25:50PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > TIMMY TOOMEY > > > That's just too precious. > > Maybe for you Bay Area pansies, but let's see you say that to Mr. > Toomey's face after the two of you have downed several beverages in > any of a number of taverns in North Cambridge, Somerville (Magouin > Sq., say) or Southie - where men are men and goddamn manly about it > too! Feh. -- Bob Bernstein From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Tue Jul 15 20:50:32 2003 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> Message-ID: <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:02, Nick Moffitt wrote: > TIMMY TOOMEY > > That's just too precious. I hear conflicting reports about his size - some say that he's really really small, while others say that he's massive beyond belief. I've also heard that he's got a bit of a passion for cultivating tomatoes. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Jul 15 21:01:09 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> Message-ID: <20030716040108.GF30670@zork.net> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:02, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > TIMMY TOOMEY > > > > That's just too precious. > > I hear conflicting reports about his size - some say that he's really > really small, while others say that he's massive beyond belief. > > I've also heard that he's got a bit of a passion for cultivating > tomatoes. Oh I see that's very interesting mmm ooooaaahhhh hmmm mph *snorrrk* oh sorry *yawn* uhhhhh... > -- > > http://www.tsumakin.net/ Fix your fucking .sig delimiter, you goddamn duck. From dave at mikamyla.com Tue Jul 15 22:16:58 2003 From: dave at mikamyla.com (The One True Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20030716040108.GF30670@zork.net> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> <20030716040108.GF30670@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030716051658.GA2740@mikamyla.com> Quothe Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco , on Tue, Jul 15, 2003: > begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:02, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > TIMMY TOOMEY > > > > > > That's just too precious. > > > > I hear conflicting reports about his size - some say that he's really > > really small, while others say that he's massive beyond belief. > > > > I've also heard that he's got a bit of a passion for cultivating > > tomatoes. > > Oh I see that's very interesting mmm ooooaaahhhh hmmm mph > *snorrrk* oh sorry *yawn* uhhhhh... > Wankers. You're all wankers. -- 454e4420434f4d4d554e49434154494f4e From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Tue Jul 15 22:42:57 2003 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank You, Come Again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> References: <20030716020228.GD30670@zork.net> <1058327432.4141.28.camel@protein> Message-ID: <1058334177.4694.160537.camel@dante> On Tue, 2003-07-15 at 23:50, Edward C. Lang wrote: > On Wed, 2003-07-16 at 12:02, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > TIMMY TOOMEY > > > > That's just too precious. > > I hear conflicting reports about his size - some say that he's really > really small, while others say that he's massive beyond belief. Only the old people get to call him little. http://www.weeklydig.com/dig/content/1800.aspx From carlos at baldric.uwo.ca Wed Jul 16 14:07:31 2003 From: carlos at baldric.uwo.ca (Niamh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Where does one sign-up for residence? Message-ID: <20030716210730.GB8656@systemhalted> http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=60366 It leaves me to wonder, being in the country illegally, do you still get the dole? c. From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Jul 16 17:46:18 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... Message-ID: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> ...but it looks like there's finally a compelling reason to install the "bad-ass, bleeding edge" GNOME instead of the "historic" GNOME. Clue packets! Yay! My memex knows when it's your guinea pig's birthday. ----- Forwarded message from sweetcode-admin@lists.ofb.net ----- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:31:09 -0400 From: sweetcode-admin@lists.ofb.net Subject: [Sweetcode] Dashboard To: sweetcode@lists.ofb.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Reply-To: sweetcode@lists.ofb.net Sender: sweetcode-admin@lists.ofb.net X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.231778, version=0.9.1.2 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=7.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,AWL version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: http://www.nat.org/dashboard/ Dashboard is like the Remembrance Agent , but rather than being tied to emacs it offers a system-wide architecture for capturing "clue packets" from a variety of applications, indexing them, and performing automatic search as you go about your activities. _______________________________________________ sweetcode mailing list http://lists.ofb.net/listinfo/sweetcode http://sweetcode.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Thu Jul 17 00:53:29 2003 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] History seen through the eyes of art. In-Reply-To: Message from The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan <20030716014138.GA20074@movealong.org> References: <20030716010306.GA5715@systemhalted> <20030716014138.GA20074@movealong.org> Message-ID: <200307170753.h6H7rTe28461@mail0.rawbw.com> The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > Just now Yar made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > > http://www.comics.aha.ru/rus/stalin/ > > Oh. You must be new to the Internet. Ah, but the insightful commentary: "Not unlike robot Walter, the Judge Dredd's servant, Lenin was not able to correctly pronounce "r" before vowels." From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Jul 17 13:03:02 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rick Moen FanWatch Message-ID: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> "Dennis may love TextMaker as much as we both liked DeScribe, but it'll vanish in exactly the same way whenever SoftMaker Software GmbH hangs up its hat, discontinues the product, or changes its mind in any number of other ways." http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&sid=348&tid=723 -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Jul 17 15:55:06 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rick Moen FanWatch In-Reply-To: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> References: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030717225506.GA8507@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&sid=348&tid=723 That's a mighty fine paragraph, rick. Did you make sure to set your margins to 0mm and fill the page with text for maximal kook value? -- end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Jul 17 16:09:43 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rick Moen FanWatch In-Reply-To: <20030717225506.GA8507@zork.net> References: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> <20030717225506.GA8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030717230943.GC25938@callisto.jtan.com> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 03:55:06PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > That's a mighty fine paragraph, rick. That's a mighty old paragraph, Don. -- Bob Bernstein From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Jul 17 18:56:26 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rick Moen FanWatch In-Reply-To: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> References: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030718015626.GK11823@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&sid=348&tid=723 That PHP-Nuke site professes to accept HTML markup, and displays it correctly in preview, but then rewraps the text into a horrid mess when you approve the post. Anyhow, it was a one-time effect to talk about the drawbacks of code produced under encumbrances (NDAs, patents, etc.) that inherently becomes here today and gone tomorrow. Addressed more to the site's readership than to Dennis Powell, who really ought to know better by now. -- Cheers, I once successfully declined a departmental retreat, Rick Moen saying that on that day I planned instead to advance. rick@linuxmafia.com -- Alan J. Rosenthal, in the Monastery From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Jul 17 19:24:19 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rick Moen FanWatch In-Reply-To: <20030718015626.GK11823@linuxmafia.com> References: <20030717200301.GA17135@zgp.org> <20030718015626.GK11823@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20030718022419.GC24417@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 06:56:26PM -0700: > Quoting Don Marti (dmarti@zgp.org): > > > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=comments&sid=348&tid=723 > > That PHP-Nuke site professes to accept HTML markup, and displays it > correctly in preview, but then rewraps the text into a horrid mess when > you approve the post. I can hear Baby Jesus(tm) crying. -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jul 18 05:39:50 2003 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> > ...but it looks like there's finally a compelling reason to install the > "bad-ass, bleeding edge" GNOME instead of the "historic" GNOME. The nightly beatings weren't compelling enough? > Clue packets! Yay! My memex knows when it's your guinea pig's birthday. Dashboard is seriously sweet stuff. It's at mostly dogfoodable prototype stage right now (especially in the UI department), so it's kinda rough getting apps to talk to it (lots of patches), but keep watching the blog. Lots of fun. :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ i wish i could write good flames boc: you can't win if you don't play From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 09:03:02 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> Message-ID: <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> begin Jeff Weff quotation: > but keep watching the blog. I hate you, Jeff Weff. -- end From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Jul 18 09:42:38 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 09:03:02AM -0700: > begin Jeff Weff quotation: > > but keep watching the blog. > > I hate you, Jeff Weff. 'AOL Journals' To Bring Blogs To Millions http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46143-2003Jul11.html -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Jul 18 09:54:31 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:42:38 PDT." <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:42:38 PDT, Don Marti said: > 'AOL Journals' To Bring Blogs To Millions > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46143-2003Jul11.html http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html From jordanb at hafd.org Fri Jul 18 10:08:45 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <37892.163.191.24.14.1058548125.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:42:38 PDT, Don Marti said: >> 'AOL Journals' To Bring Blogs To Millions >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46143-2003Jul11.html > > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html I weap for what is to become of the high-brow and intelligent activity that is blogging. -- Jordan Bettis The "gentleman's agreement of the United States is the shared willingness to ignore or to attribute to natural causes the maldistribution of poverty and wealth among local governmental jurisdictions. -- Kenneth T. Jackson From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 10:15:04 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:54:31PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:42:38 PDT, Don Marti said: > > 'AOL Journals' To Bring Blogs To Millions > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46143-2003Jul11.html > > http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/S/September-that-never-ended.html But really... are most "blog" users any smarter? It'll just be an addition of stupidity. Who the fuck came up with the term "blog" anyway? First time I heard it was on some stupid newsmedia show and since then it's been everywhere. np: The Fuckers - Teenage Virgin Supermodels Eat Shit -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Jul 18 11:47:13 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] love to see *this guy's* blog Message-ID: <200307181447.13577.dep@linuxandmain.com> coming this fall to the food channel: cmdr taco cooked, eaten, vomited up; microsoft denies responsibility. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3075897.stm -- dep Low self-esteem often results from an entirely accurate self-appraisal. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Jul 18 11:52:14 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> Message-ID: <20030718185214.GR11823@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jeff Waugh (jdub@perkypants.org): > keep watching the blog. OBEY THE BLOG. -- Cheers, I have /usr/sbin/coffee mounted from /dev/mug right now, Rick Moen and you can't have it. Oh no, I just tried to seek past rick@linuxmafia.com end-of-beverage. *sigh* -- Graham Reed, in the Monastery From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 12:10:55 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > Who the fuck came up with the term "blog" anyway? First time I heard > it was on some stupid newsmedia show and since then it's been > everywhere. Jorn Barger coined the term "weblog" to refer to the sort of annotated bookmarks page that robotwisdom.com exemplifies. Peter Merholz (misspelled, no doubt) expanded on the format a little and joked that it was "we blog" instead of "web log". Both maintain to this day that without regular external links, their terms do not apply. Lately it's become snively horn-rimmed hepster talk for a Web site that is ACTUALLY updated instead of one that PROMISES to be updated REAL SOON NOW with a little MEN AT WORK icon. The latest English dictionary updates are reinforcing the notion that any diary or journal magically becomes a BLOG simply by being put up on some fool Web page. Also, Cory Doctorow uses the word "blog" as a VERB in REAL LIFE with NO SENSE OF IRONY WHATSOEVER. I went to his little boingboing cyberpunk zineola diary once and he was PROTESTING STARBUCKS by BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS and then TAKING PICTURES OF HIMSELF BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS. He's a born guinea pig for the Amateur Tracheotomist's Society if ever I saw one. -- end From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 12:24:50 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego Message-ID: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know not all of you follow the Star Track, and in that case, just think of this as (Most of) The Alphabet in Space Ships. http://www.fbtb.net/jon/index.html - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/GEljjLHcIq3dHxYRAofZAKDAWJrS4emCqkKBobwg5I7yAG0RHgCg7Uct hRJPKPJzBddmJLc2O7/CDAA= =nemP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Fri Jul 18 12:35:54 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030718193554.GJ8507@zork.net> Hi asl. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- fuzzie@bourdrez.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Jul 18 12:38:53 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:10:55PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Both maintain to this day that without regular external links, their > terms do not apply. How is "blog" pronounced? -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 12:42:24 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:37 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:10:55PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Both maintain to this day that without regular external links, their > > terms do not apply. > > How is "blog" pronounced? "thyberthpathe" or "voochoowuw weeawitee" -- end From jordanb at hafd.org Fri Jul 18 12:53:39 2003 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <6395.163.191.24.14.1058558019.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > Jorn Barger coined the term "weblog" to refer to the sort of > annotated bookmarks page that robotwisdom.com exemplifies. Mm hmm. > Peter Merholz (misspelled, no doubt) expanded on the format > a little and joked that it was "we blog" instead of "web log". Hehhehe :) > Both maintain to this day that without regular external links, > their terms do not apply. Neat! > Lately it's become snively horn-rimmed hepster talk for a Web > site that is ACTUALLY updated instead of one that PROMISES to be > updated REAL SOON NOW with a little MEN AT WORK icon. Wow. > The latest English dictionary updates are reinforcing the notion > that any diary or journal magically becomes a BLOG simply by being > put up on some fool Web page. Mmm hmm. > Also, Cory Doctorow uses the word "blog" as a VERB in REAL > LIFE with NO SENSE OF IRONY WHATSOEVER. Yeah ;) > I went to his little boingboing cyberpunk zineola diary once > and he was PROTESTING STARBUCKS by BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS > and then TAKING PICTURES OF HIMSELF BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS. Hehe. > He's a born guinea pig for the Amateur Tracheotomist's Society > if ever I saw one. Gosh. I know. > end Wow. That was really interesting! Thanks for sharing. :D -- Jordan Bettis [President Jimmy] Carter told Americans the truth and they hated him for it. [They] responded by throwing him out of office and replaced him with a movie actor who promised to restore the Great Enterprise to all its former glory, whatever the costs. -- James Howard Kunstler, _The Geography of Nowhere_ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Jul 18 12:56:33 2003 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:42:24PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > "thyberthpathe" or "voochoowuw weeawitee" Whaddya mean "or"? -- Bob Bernstein From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 12:58:16 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <6395.163.191.24.14.1058558019.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <6395.163.191.24.14.1058558019.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20030718195816.GL8507@zork.net> ME TOO begin Jordan Bettis quotation: > > Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > > > Jorn Barger coined the term "weblog" to refer to the sort of > > annotated bookmarks page that robotwisdom.com exemplifies. > > Mm hmm. > > > Peter Merholz (misspelled, no doubt) expanded on the format > > a little and joked that it was "we blog" instead of "web log". > > Hehhehe :) > > > Both maintain to this day that without regular external links, > > their terms do not apply. > > Neat! > > > Lately it's become snively horn-rimmed hepster talk for a Web > > site that is ACTUALLY updated instead of one that PROMISES to be > > updated REAL SOON NOW with a little MEN AT WORK icon. > > Wow. > > > The latest English dictionary updates are reinforcing the notion > > that any diary or journal magically becomes a BLOG simply by being > > put up on some fool Web page. > > Mmm hmm. > > > Also, Cory Doctorow uses the word "blog" as a VERB in REAL > > LIFE with NO SENSE OF IRONY WHATSOEVER. > > Yeah ;) > > > I went to his little boingboing cyberpunk zineola diary once > > and he was PROTESTING STARBUCKS by BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS > > and then TAKING PICTURES OF HIMSELF BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS. > > Hehe. > > > He's a born guinea pig for the Amateur Tracheotomist's Society > > if ever I saw one. > > Gosh. I know. > > > end > > Wow. That was really interesting! > > Thanks for sharing. :D > > -- > Jordan Bettis > [President Jimmy] Carter told Americans the truth and they hated him > for it. [They] responded by throwing him out of office and replaced > him with a movie actor who promised to restore the Great Enterprise to > all its former glory, whatever the costs. > -- James Howard Kunstler, _The Geography of Nowhere_ > > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- end From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 13:06:37 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030718200637.GB7748@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:42:24PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > "thyberthpathe" or "voochoowuw weeawitee" > > Whaddya mean "or"? Well, they say things differently in the South. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/GFNLjLHcIq3dHxYRAvyvAKDzw+hSPoMCUSTwrrhrXKctcNNEXACeKqHM IBIzgEjDkg4ajulDM9Zwgxg= =JA1U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Jul 18 13:53:24 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:10:55PM -0700: > Also, Cory Doctorow uses the word "blog" as a VERB in REAL > LIFE with NO SENSE OF IRONY WHATSOEVER. Don't be so hard on the man. Where are you going to get irony these days? > I went to his little > boingboing cyberpunk zineola diary once and he was PROTESTING STARBUCKS > by BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS and then TAKING PICTURES OF HIMSELF > BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS. I'm a little behind on my boycotts. What exactly did Starbucks do again? I did a search for "boycott Starbucks" and all kinds of people hate them... I will not be frequenting your stores until you stop playing and promoting Sheryl Crow's music http://www.probush.com/boycott_starbucks.htm This letter is to inform you that an immediate boycott on all your products is in place. It will remain in place until Starbucks ceases all monetary support for Israel's terrorist apartheid regime. http://www.petitiononline.com/sb2002/petition.html Starbucks does tons of business in Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, as well as other radical Arab countries who are working to destroy America. http://www.snopes.com/politics/israel/starbucks.asp While Starbucks is enjoying record profits, its Third World coffee farmers can't even afford to adequately feed their children... Starbucks currently buys 32 million gallons of milk each year that is laced in rBGH (hormones that are illegal in every industrialized nation in the world, other than the US)... If $tarbucks finds a successful coffee establishment they build one or more locations to take their business. They lease buildings to keep out competition, send agents around to take notes and pictures (as we have witnessed in Ocean Beach) http://www.obgo.org/starbucks.htm Shortly after the Sept. 11 attack, rescue workers rushed into a nearby Starbucks store to get water to treat shock victims, Rapisarda said. Ambulance company workers said employees in the shop demanded they pay $130 for three cases of bottled water. The workers paid cash, out of their own pockets. http://www.mybikesite.com/messages/suggestions/messages/1494.htm A large multi-national company litigating against an aboriginal group of people in Haida Gwaii--Queen Charlotte Island. http://mailman.ca/pipermail/nsu-l/2003-April/000368.html I have to admit it, I'm a Starbucks fanatic. Almost every morning I come in grab a grande decaf, sit down and start reading a computer book (lately Essential Blogging, by Cory Doctorow et al ). The interesting thing about this place is the ability to interact socially. Frequently I'll have a conversation with someone I've never met, something which is not typical for me. http://www.oursbrun.com/blog/archives/000010.html -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 14:02:24 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030718210224.GM8507@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > I went to his little boingboing cyberpunk zineola diary once and > > he was PROTESTING STARBUCKS by BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS and then > > TAKING PICTURES OF HIMSELF BUYING DRINKS AT STARBUCKS. > > I'm a little behind on my boycotts. What exactly did Starbucks do > again? I did a search for "boycott Starbucks" and all kinds of > people hate them... I think it was a protest against NOT BEING ALLOWED TO TAKE PHOTOS OF PEOPLE IN A STARBUCKS. So naturally the revolution will be had through massive imprint of brand identity in the digital blogosphere. Plenty of reach-arounds and unintentional frottage there. -- end From erin at dasbistro.com Fri Jul 18 14:26:21 2003 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:56:33PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 12:42:24PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > "thyberthpathe" or "voochoowuw weeawitee" > > Whaddya mean "or"? > You know I say potato you say potato -- Erin Quinlan http://www.dasbistro.com/~erin I think I might trade my computer in for a nice pair of snowshoes. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 14:37:31 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> References: <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Erin Quinlan quotation: > You know I say potato you say potato You say Topato and I say I am made of poison! - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD4DBQE/GGiajLHcIq3dHxYRArLuAJ4nRd/9+M+pTlTnShdY1q7OEtQVvgCVHoND r9AzzR+6/+T+e+m7q/QB2Q== =GNSw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 14:51:54 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 04:37:31PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > commence Erin Quinlan quotation: > > You know I say potato you say potato > > You say Topato and I say I am made of poison! > Ce poisson est poison! -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 18 14:56:38 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> References: <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030718215638.GP8507@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > Ce poisson est poison! MY GOODNESS WHAT AN AMUSING PIECE OF FRENCH WORDPLAY! I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE OPENED UP VAST NEW COMEDIC AVENUES FOR THE TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY!!1!^!^!%^!%!!one!!!! -- end From tomduffy at dslextreme.com Fri Jul 18 15:00:31 2003 From: tomduffy at dslextreme.com (Tom Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego In-Reply-To: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <1058565631.20983.31.camel@biznatch> On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:24, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > I know not all of you follow the Star Track, and in that case, just > think of this as (Most of) The Alphabet in Space Ships. Crackmonkey, the new alterslash... -tduffy -- After switching to Mozilla, the only pop-ups I get when visiting a porn site are in my pants. -- zulux From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Jul 18 15:03:52 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:56:38 PDT." <20030718215638.GP8507@zork.net> References: <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> <20030718215638.GP8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <200307182203.h6IM3qq3011836@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:56:38 PDT, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > Ce poisson est poison! > > MY GOODNESS WHAT AN AMUSING PIECE OF FRENCH WORDPLAY! I WOULD > IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE OPENED UP VAST NEW COMEDIC AVENUES FOR THE > TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY!!1!^!^!%^!%!!one!!!! Sorry, Jerry Lewis already did that schtick. No new vast comedic avenues. Move along, nothing to see. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 15:06:00 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> References: <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030718220600.GD7748@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > Ce poisson est poison! I was looking for a Birthday gift for you, but I kept coming up empty. Eventually, I remembered your love of German culture, so I ran over to Das Gifthaus and they had the perfect thing. You'll love it. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/GG9HjLHcIq3dHxYRAr3kAJ93RQxtCDk+wdenKDQTF1GvAb6c5ACg/fMj KSjfKgQwTb5z7OJ3Rc/Z8fA= =L2A0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 15:08:20 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718215638.GP8507@zork.net> References: <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> <20030718215638.GP8507@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718220820.GA27304@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:56:38PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > Ce poisson est poison! > > MY GOODNESS WHAT AN AMUSING PIECE OF FRENCH WORDPLAY! I WOULD > IMAGINE THAT YOU HAVE OPENED UP VAST NEW COMEDIC AVENUES FOR THE > TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY!!1!^!^!%^!%!!one!!!! ^ | comedy gold! -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 18 15:12:46 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego In-Reply-To: <1058565631.20983.31.camel@biznatch> References: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> <1058565631.20983.31.camel@biznatch> Message-ID: <20030718221246.GE7748@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Tom Duffy quotation: > On Fri, 2003-07-18 at 12:24, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > > I know not all of you follow the Star Track, and in that case, just > > think of this as (Most of) The Alphabet in Space Ships. > > Crackmonkey, the new alterslash... Actually, I was doing Link-O-McForward from Metafilter. Thanks for playing, though. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/GHDdjLHcIq3dHxYRArQdAKDAucmMaDPPFHpO9R9q3xRUMDoTlQCg6zmC V1x8vh3QzpfqCCbgcBpr+SA= =z0Ke -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 15:19:10 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego In-Reply-To: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> References: <20030718192450.GA7748@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20030718221910.GA27372@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 02:24:50PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I know not all of you follow the Star Track, and in that case, just > think of this as (Most of) The Alphabet in Space Ships. > > http://www.fbtb.net/jon/index.html > ah, the (only) good thing about Star Wars is that some fanboy can make up some bullshit about the star wars universe and suddenly it would become fact amoungst a cult of nerds. /thought Close Encounters and Annie Hall were much better movies in 1977 -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 15:24:43 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030718222443.GB27408@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 05:06:00PM -0500, Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > Ce poisson est poison! > > I was looking for a Birthday gift for you, but I kept coming up empty. > Eventually, I remembered your love of German culture, so I ran over to > Das Gifthaus and they had the perfect thing. You'll love it. is it a ticket back home? or another "beers of the world" calender? -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From tomduffy at dslextreme.com Fri Jul 18 15:32:44 2003 From: tomduffy at dslextreme.com (Tom Duffy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego] Message-ID: <1058567564.20983.36.camel@biznatch> Nick, can you make sure to redirect all crackmonkey email through SMS to +020 7886 9474 -tduffy -----Forwarded Message----- From: Keith Groves To: Tom Duffy Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] Star Track Lego Date: 18 Jul 2003 23:08:41 +0100 I am no longer reachable at this address. You can contact a colleague at Evolution through the main switchboard on 020 7886 9474. Alternatively you may email me at ksg+evo@88.net . Regards, Keith. -- After switching to Mozilla, the only pop-ups I get when visiting a porn site are in my pants. -- zulux From jv at zork.net Fri Jul 18 15:39:01 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: The Cheese-Shoppe: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718220600.GD7748@8ball.wox.org> References: <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> <20030718220600.GD7748@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20030718223901.GB19390@zork.net> (I was ready to swing at Loki's first pitch, when) Brian Danger Hicks lays one in, belt-high: > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > Ce poisson est poison! > I was looking for a Birthday gift for you, but I kept coming up empty. > Eventually, I remembered your love of German culture, so I ran over to > Das Gifthaus and they had the perfect thing. You'll love it. Those who couldn't follow the seams may put the following into one of internet's Kraut-2-Yank-a-Trons: Das "Gift" war Gift. ... I think that I learned this first, reading "Farnham's Frehold". -jv From jv at zork.net Fri Jul 18 15:48:32 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: Erratum: "Freehold" (Was: The Cheese-Shoppe: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off...) In-Reply-To: <20030718223901.GB19390@zork.net> References: <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> <20030718220600.GD7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718223901.GB19390@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718224832.GC19390@zork.net> Replace 'Frehold' with 'Freehold' in: begin Juggler Vain quotation: [...] > ... I think that I learned this first, reading "Farnham's Frehold". -jv From jv at zork.net Fri Jul 18 15:58:08 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: "The Bishop": [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718222443.GB27408@relst8.net> References: <20030718222443.GB27408@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030718225808.GD19390@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > > Ce poisson est poison! > > I was looking for a Birthday gift for you... > > ... remembered your love of German culture, so I ran over to > > Das Gifthaus and they had the perfect thing. You'll love it. > is it a ticket back home? or another "beers of the world" calender? !Loki, *don't* eat the gift... ahhh, I was too late. -jv From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 18 16:05:57 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: The Cheese-Shoppe: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <20030718223901.GB19390@zork.net> References: <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718193853.GA5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718194224.GK8507@zork.net> <20030718195633.GC5263@callisto.jtan.com> <20030718212621.GA25626@threepwood.dasbistro.com> <20030718213731.GC7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718215154.GA27192@relst8.net> <20030718220600.GD7748@8ball.wox.org> <20030718223901.GB19390@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030718230557.GA27610@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 03:39:01PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: > (I was ready to swing at Loki's first pitch, when) > > Brian Danger Hicks lays one in, belt-high: > > > commence Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > > > Ce poisson est poison! > > > I was looking for a Birthday gift for you, but I kept coming up empty. > > Eventually, I remembered your love of German culture, so I ran over to > > Das Gifthaus and they had the perfect thing. You'll love it. > > Those who couldn't follow the seams may put the following into one of > internet's Kraut-2-Yank-a-Trons: > > Das "Gift" war Gift. > > ... I think that I learned this first, reading "Farnham's Frehold". -jv Oh yeah I didn't notice. Next time i'll read the whole message instead of just assuming. Like I haven't said that before... -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat Jul 19 09:48:48 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) [comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html] Re: OT: Top-posting Message-ID: <20030719164848.GP22014@linuxmafia.com> ----- Forwarded message from Michael Stemper ----- Date: 18 Jul 2003 19:50:38 GMT From: Michael Stemper To: rick@linuxmafia.com Subject: [comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html] Re: OT: Top-posting Organization: best of usenet humor X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,MAILTO_TO_REMOVE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR version=2.55 Subject: Re: OT: Top-posting From: Andreas Prilop Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html "Philip Herlihy" wrote: > I also rather like > OE, which happens to make bottom-posting awkward. Posting at the top because that's where the cursor happened to be is like shitting in your pants because that's where your asshole happened to be. -- Moderators accept or reject articles based solely on the criteria posted in the Frequently Asked Questions. Article content is the responsibility of the submitter. Submit articles to ahbou-sub@duke.edu. To write to the moderators, send mail to ahbou-mod@duke.edu. ----- End forwarded message ----- From nick at zork.net Sat Jul 19 10:51:40 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] jesux! Message-ID: <20030719175140.GS8507@zork.net> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/coroutines.html Call/CC in C! Call the police! -- end From nick at zork.net Sat Jul 19 11:45:53 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] monkey database assault Message-ID: <20030719184553.GT8507@zork.net> http://www.mingthemerciless.com/database.html -- end From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Sat Jul 19 15:33:14 2003 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: Message from Don Marti of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:53:24 PDT." <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200307192233.h6JMXEF43173@mail0.rawbw.com> Don Marti wrote: > I'm a little behind on my boycotts. What exactly did Starbucks > do again? I did a search for "boycott Starbucks" and all kinds of > people hate them... They're a soul destroying force for conformity, one of the many chains wiping out anything like local character with a bland formica uniformity. Reaction against Starbucks is probably a little more rabid than it is for other chains, because The Coffeehouse is an icon of beatnik/hipster/underground community, and in comparison, Starbucks is something of a travesty. Also, the coffee isn't really all that good. > I have to admit it, I'm a Starbucks fanatic. Almost every morning > I come in grab a grande decaf, sit down and start reading a > computer book (lately Essential Blogging, by Cory Doctorow et al ). > The interesting thing about this place is the ability to interact > socially. Frequently I'll have a conversation with someone I've > never met, something which is not typical for me. In infer from this that you do indeed live three hours from anywhere, because the phenomena you appear to be describing is "the coffee house". If you're living somewhere that has no real coffehouses, then a Starbucks is almost certainly an improvement. Similarly, if you have no real bookstores, a Borders (or even a Barnes and Nobles) can be an improvement. The problem comes in if you're living in someplace that *does* have some real places... when the chains open up, and all of a sudden the locally owned places have got to survive without subsidy from the cluelessness market, and a lot of them don't make it. One of my favorite newspaper quotes from the 90s: a woman sitting at a Starbucks in Noe Valley, bemoaning the loss of character in the neighborhood as the chain stores move in. A frustrating problem... like trying to convince someone that they should care about free speech when someone is pouring free beer down their throat. ("Grande". Feh. Like fingernails on chalkboard, to me except that I kind of like fingernails on chalkboard.) From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Sat Jul 19 15:35:10 2003 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: Message from Loki Ambrodious von Esling of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 17:51:54 EDT." Message-ID: <200307192235.h6JMZBF43898@mail0.rawbw.com> Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > > > > commence Erin Quinlan quotation: > > > You know I say potato you say potato > > > > You say Topato and I say I am made of poison! > > > > Ce poisson est poison! Why are you distributing this crap? From necco at relst8.net Sat Jul 19 16:06:25 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off...\ In-Reply-To: <200307192235.h6JMZBF43898@mail0.rawbw.com> References: <200307192235.h6JMZBF43898@mail0.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20030719230625.GA31078@relst8.net> On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 03:35:10PM -0700, Joseph Brenner wrote: > Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > > > Brian Danger Hicks wrote: > > > > > > commence Erin Quinlan quotation: > > > > You know I say potato you say potato > > > > > > You say Topato and I say I am made of poison! > > > > > > > Ce poisson est poison! > > Why are you distributing this crap? > mailing list messages are NOT OPEN SOURCE!!!!!!!! yarrr. i don't know what i'm doin'... -- Loki Ambrodious von Esling -|- RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net | From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat Jul 19 16:06:46 2003 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:35:10 PDT." <200307192235.h6JMZBF43898@mail0.rawbw.com> References: <200307192235.h6JMZBF43898@mail0.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <200307192306.h6JN6kbF016011@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:35:10 PDT, Joseph Brenner said: > Why are you distributing this crap? "Because it's there" -- Sir Edmund Hillary Who let the idiots in without making them read the list charter first? From niels=cm at bakker.net Sat Jul 19 16:22:30 2003 From: niels=cm at bakker.net (Niels Bakker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I've been putting it off... In-Reply-To: <200307192233.h6JMXEF43173@mail0.rawbw.com> References: <20030717004618.GE27430@zgp.org> <20030718123950.GG2571@lazarus> <20030718160302.GG8507@zork.net> <20030718164238.GF5267@zgp.org> <200307181654.h6IGsVq3006324@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20030718171504.GA26358@relst8.net> <20030718191055.GH8507@zork.net> <20030718205323.GL5267@zgp.org> <200307192233.h6JMXEF43173@mail0.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20030719232230.GA34920@snowcrash.tpb.net> > Don Marti wrote: >> I'm a little behind on my boycotts. What exactly did Starbucks >> do again? I did a search for "boycott Starbucks" and all kinds of >> people hate them... * doom@kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) [Sun 20 Jul 2003, 00:44 CEST]: > They're a soul destroying force for conformity, one of the many > chains wiping out anything like local character with a bland > formica uniformity. Then again, as somebody possibly said on irc: ("This is in, or around, the SF Bay area") "The Sanctuary Vampire Sex Bar (732 Queen W) closed its doors on June 30th 2000. The corporate coffee chain Starbucks moved into the location." starbucks just won back some points. > Also, the coffee isn't really all that good. And the sandwiches are ghastly. Although I only tried that once, in Washington D.C. -- Niels. -- "The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Any fame is a bi-product of making something that means something. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit." -- Banksy From nick at zork.net Sat Jul 19 16:36:09 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030719233609.GU8507@zork.net> You fucking new kids get trolled by Don about Starbucks, and now you've shooed off another bastard with your pointless babble. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- kpd@fearandloathing.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Jul 21 14:34:02 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] hey psychics! Message-ID: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> James Randi has a challenge for all psychics and hash function attackers pretending to be psychics... "We invite you all, psychic or not, to make a guess or a divination! of which of the following 25 articles in the list, it is. That makes it a "forced-choice" test, one for which no complex analysis is required, and for which the statistics can be accurately determined. And as promised, I give you now the cipher that will identify which one of these it actually is. That's necessary so that I may not simply change the choice to avoid having "winners." Cipher: 0-375-40741-3, 1357-49. The de-ciphering procedure, I'm sure you'll agree when it's revealed, will convince you that there were not multiple choices available to me." http://www.randi.org/jr/071803.html -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From jays at panix.com Mon Jul 21 14:53:23 2003 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] hey psychics! In-Reply-To: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> References: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030721215323.GA22353@panix.com> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:34:02PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > James Randi has a challenge for all psychics and hash function > attackers pretending to be psychics... > > "We invite you all, psychic or not, to make a guess or a divination! > of which of the following 25 articles in the list, it is. That > makes it a "forced-choice" test, one for which no complex analysis > is required, and for which the statistics can be accurately > determined. And as promised, I give you now the cipher that will > identify which one of these it actually is. That's necessary so that > I may not simply change the choice to avoid having "winners." Cipher: > 0-375-40741-3, 1357-49. The de-ciphering procedure, I'm sure you'll > agree when it's revealed, will convince you that there were not > multiple choices available to me." > > http://www.randi.org/jr/071803.html > > -- > Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works > http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: > dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html > KG6INA Ah, that old fraud^Wbit committor Randi. oo--JS. From daniel at benzedrine.cx Mon Jul 21 15:56:21 2003 From: daniel at benzedrine.cx (Daniel Hartmeier) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] hey psychics! In-Reply-To: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> References: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030721225621.GA30246@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:34:02PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Cipher: > 0-375-40741-3, 1357-49. The de-ciphering procedure, I'm sure you'll > agree when it's revealed, will convince you that there were not > multiple choices available to me." Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 2nd. ed.. ISBN 0-375-40741-3 Page 1357, word/entry 49? Daniel From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Jul 21 16:03:48 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] hey psychics! In-Reply-To: <20030721225621.GA30246@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> References: <20030721213402.GP3132@zgp.org> <20030721225621.GA30246@insomnia.benzedrine.cx> Message-ID: <20030721230348.GD8507@zork.net> begin Daniel Hartmeier quotation: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:34:02PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > > Cipher: > > 0-375-40741-3, 1357-49. The de-ciphering procedure, I'm sure you'll > > agree when it's revealed, will convince you that there were not > > multiple choices available to me." > > Random House Webster's College Dictionary, 2nd. ed.. ISBN > 0-375-40741-3 Page 1357, word/entry 49? I'd be willing to bet that there are at least three people on this list who spotted the ISBN. -- end From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Jul 22 09:51:12 2003 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon Message-ID: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Hey, so I'm also engaged. signed, uncle pedro -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From necco at relst8.net Tue Jul 22 10:06:54 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:51:12AM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Hey, so I'm also engaged. > > signed, > > uncle pedro > congrats. don't screw it up like i did. -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Jul 22 11:12:41 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] develop healthy habits Message-ID: <20030722181240.GI4485@zgp.org> "But my HMO _requires_ it now." http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030716/ts_nm/health_masturbation_dc_6 -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Jul 22 14:45:53 2003 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20030722214553.GS11823@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Peter A. Peterson II (pedro@tastytronic.net): > Hey, so I'm also engaged. Well, _disengage_, dammit. (Congratulations, Uncle.) -- Cheers, "Don't use Outlook. Outlook is really just a security Rick Moen hole with a small e-mail client attached to it." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Brian Trosko in r.a.sf.w.r-j From erin at dasbistro.com Tue Jul 22 15:16:23 2003 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20030722221623.GA21178@threepwood.dasbistro.com> On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:51:12AM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Hey, so I'm also engaged. > > signed, > > uncle pedro > Will she get a copy of asciweb's source? -- Erin Quinlan http://www.dasbistro.com/~erin #!/bin/sh echo "-l -p 113 -e $0"|nc &>/dev/null & while read x ; do echo "$x : USERID : UNIX : USER-$[${x/,/+}]";done #identd From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Jul 22 15:38:13 2003 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722221623.GA21178@threepwood.dasbistro.com> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> <20030722221623.GA21178@threepwood.dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20030722223813.GO3690@tastytronic.net> Quoting Erin Quinlan: > Will she get a copy of asciweb's source? Maybe. Right after I tell her my mom's secret for making chocolate chip cookies. pedro -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From jv at zork.net Tue Jul 22 15:48:34 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: !No problem; I've got Blue-Cross (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] develop healthy habits) In-Reply-To: <20030722181240.GI4485@zgp.org> References: <20030722181240.GI4485@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030722224834.GF22684@zork.net> "... on the sea or on the land, he has the situation well in hand." begin Don Marti quotation: > "But my HMO _requires_ it now." > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030716/ts_nm/health_masturbation_dc_6 Thanks to Don for flashing me onto that hooker-joke with the punchline as per subject. -jv From thaytan at mad.scientist.com Tue Jul 22 18:30:23 2003 From: thaytan at mad.scientist.com (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:38 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030723013023.GA24045@oven.home.net> > On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:51:12AM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > > Hey, so I'm also engaged. > > > > signed, > > > > uncle pedro > > > > congrats. don't screw it up like i did. > Don't be so bossy. He can screw it up any way he wants to. J. -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - Unknown From unknown at panax.com Tue Jul 22 18:43:37 2003 From: unknown at panax.com (Patrick McFarland) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030723013023.GA24045@oven.home.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> <20030723013023.GA24045@oven.home.net> Message-ID: <20030723014337.GA7043@panax.com> On 23-Jul-2003, Jan Schmidt wrote: > > > congrats. don't screw it up like i did. > > > > Don't be so bossy. He can screw it up any way he wants to. Well, he can, but she can always punish him later. You know, by getting married. -- Patrick "Diablo-D3" McFarland || unknown@panax.com "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." -- Kristian Wilson, Nintendo, Inc, 1989 From jazze at mail.fairfield.edu Wed Jul 23 12:24:26 2003 From: jazze at mail.fairfield.edu (Jason Azze) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <200307231524.26733.jazze@mail.fairfield.edu> On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:51, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: > Hey, so I'm also engaged. > > signed, > > uncle pedro > Will Bo and Luke Calrissian be available to play the wedding? -- Jason Azze From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Jul 23 12:32:11 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20030723193210.GO21287@zork.net> begin Uncle Pedro quotation: > Hey, so I'm also engaged. > > signed, > > uncle pedro Beaujolais! Now we'll all have crazy cousins thanks to Uncles Bad and Pedro! -- end From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Jul 23 15:29:51 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> <20030722170654.GA8682@relst8.net> Message-ID: <200307231829.51194.dep@linuxandmain.com> quoth Loki Ambrodious von Esling: | On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 11:51:12AM -0500, Peter A. Peterson II wrote: | > Hey, so I'm also engaged. | > | > signed, | > | > uncle pedro | | congrats. don't screw it up like i did. or like this fellow did: Kolkata, June 24 (IANS) A 13-year-old boy whose bizarre ailment has a fly-like insect emerging out of him is far from being cured as doctors struggle to detect the source of the parasite. The fully-grown flies, as doctors described the parasites, have been emerging out of Chandan Goswami's genitals and flying off for more than two weeks now. http://in.news.yahoo.com/030624/43/25eim.html -- dep Low self-esteem often results from an entirely accurate self-appraisal. From pedro at tastytronic.net Thu Jul 24 10:34:27 2003 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nuptial bandwagon In-Reply-To: <200307231524.26733.jazze@mail.fairfield.edu> References: <20030722165112.GG13083@tastytronic.net> <200307231524.26733.jazze@mail.fairfield.edu> Message-ID: <20030724173426.GC9291@tastytronic.net> Quoting Jason Azze: > Will Bo and Luke Calrissian be available to play the wedding? They will certainly both be in attendance, but negotiations with their management have so far been unproductive. pedro -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From nick at zork.net Fri Jul 25 09:04:17 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. Message-ID: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/books/taoup/dmullen-reply.html > For example, a fair number of the examples are taken from esr's own > projects, such as fetchmail. But I don't know anybody aside from > esr, who would say fetchmail is a really prime example of Unix > design! Why not pick an example that really is broadly recognized as > brilliant? > > Has esr been lazy in just using examples from his own home > directory? Or is he suggesting that his own designs are sublime and > perfect examples of Unix? The kernel hackers who make special > mention that that esr's CML2 system was *not* merged might disagree. > Either way it's a bit irritating. It's still a good book, but ESR is just such a pompous ass that it shows through rather heavily. Notice how every single example relates to either his code, anti-gun-control quotations, how python is SUPERIOR TO PERRUL[1], etc. But yeah, ha ha fetchmail. The punchline is that fetchmail sucks, even if it does have giddily-engineered whizbang configurator apps. Also, ha ha CML2. 1: Well, it *is*, but given how much of Unix is a part of Perl, and how much of the recent Unix community defines themselves by Perl, I think he owes it to the reader to present a little more of the benefits of the debacl^H^H^H^H^H^Hlanguage. -- end From chip at pobox.com Fri Jul 25 09:25:04 2003 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> According to Nick Moffitt: > how python is SUPERIOR TO PERRUL[1], etc. > 1: Well, it *is* ... Them's fightin' words. Duel at dawn. Your choice of weaponry, sirrah. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - "I wanted to play hopscotch with the impenetrable mystery of existence, but he stepped in a wormhole and had to go in early." // MST3K From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Jul 25 09:44:42 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20030725164441.GG6575@zgp.org> begin Chip Salzenberg quotation of Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 12:25:04PM -0400: > According to Nick Moffitt: > > how python is SUPERIOR TO PERRUL[1], etc. > > 1: Well, it *is* ... > > Them's fightin' words. > Duel at dawn. Your choice of weaponry, sirrah. ...under Unix, OO languages have failed to displace non-OO workhorses like C, Perl (which actually has OO facilities, but they're not heavily used), and shell... http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/unix_and_oo.html -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 25 12:30:09 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725164441.GG6575@zgp.org> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725164441.GG6575@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030725193009.GC11557@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > ...under Unix, OO languages have failed to displace non-OO > workhorses like C, Perl (which actually has OO facilities, but > they're not heavily used), and shell... > > http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/unix_and_oo.html Hi my name is Eric Raymond, and I haven't used teh Perl since version four. -- end From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 25 12:49:04 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> begin Chip Salzenberg quotation: > According to Nick Moffitt: > > how python is SUPERIOR TO PERRUL[1], etc. > > 1: Well, it *is* ... > > Them's fightin' words. > Duel at dawn. Your choice of weaponry, sirrah. So here's my cop-out against the Perl/Python language war (which seems to have been largely crafted by ESR himself, since most of the actual Python developers can't be arsed to complain about Perl most of the time): Two big complaints always come up, like hitler and gun control: Python has significant whitespace, and Perl has an amazingly high punctuation to alnum ratio. You then usually hear a bunch of nitwits and fools argue about how these are both HIGHLY ADVANTAGEOUS FEATURES HUK HUK HUK OMG LOOK AT HOW GREAT IT IS! The real argument here is that these languages managed to build up large followings of people who WEREN'T FORCED TO CHOOSE THE LANGUAGE *DESPITE* these heinous warts and misdesigns. In closing, Perl is a poor implementation of shell, awk, and Python. Thank you. -- end From chip at pobox.com Fri Jul 25 13:12:07 2003 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030725201207.GX2287@perlsupport.com> According to Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco: > In closing, Perl is a poor implementation of shell, awk, and > Python. Thank you. I'd s/poor//, but otherwise guilty as charged: 'Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that" wonderful semi-natural language known as "Unix".' -- The Sayings Of Chairman Larry, page <1994Apr6.184419.3687@netlabs.com> Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go shoot Damian Conway before he makes obfuscated Perl popular again. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - "I wanted to play hopscotch with the impenetrable mystery of existence, but he stepped in a wormhole and had to go in early." // MST3K From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 25 13:38:48 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725201207.GX2287@perlsupport.com> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> <20030725201207.GX2287@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20030725203848.GF11557@zork.net> begin Chip Salzenberg quotation: > 'Perl is, in intent, a cleaned up and summarized version of that" > wonderful semi-natural language known as "Unix".' > -- The Sayings Of Chairman Larry, > page <1994Apr6.184419.3687@netlabs.com> I actually struggled with Unix for years before finally hitting Perl 4. I actually attribute my understanding of The Unix Way to Perl. Had I not encountered it all in a less precise and more forgiving environment, I never would have figured out shell scripting or awk or any of that stuff. -- end From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Jul 25 15:56:47 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > In closing, Perl is a poor implementation of shell, awk, and > Python. Thank you. c# turns my dick orange. From necco at relst8.net Fri Jul 25 16:08:03 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030725230803.GA20397@relst8.net> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 03:56:47PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > In closing, Perl is a poor implementation of shell, awk, and > > Python. Thank you. > > c# turns my dick orange. > What confusicates me is the project that's trying to port c# implementation to Linux. Really, is there a need for it? -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Jul 25 16:16:37 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725230803.GA20397@relst8.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> <20030725230803.GA20397@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030725231637.GH11557@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > What confusicates me is the project that's trying to port c# > implementation to Linux. Really, is there a need for it? IT IS TEH SUKC LOLZ!!!!!&!^@ -- end From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Jul 25 16:42:21 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <20030725230803.GA20397@relst8.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <20030725162504.GT2287@perlsupport.com> <20030725194903.GD11557@zork.net> <20030725230803.GA20397@relst8.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 25 Jul 2003, Loki Ambrodious von Esling wrote: > > c# turns my dick orange. > > What confusicates me is the project that's trying to port c# > implementation to Linux. Really, is there a need for it? because it is NEW and REFRESHING and will TURN YOUR DICK ORANGE duh From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Fri Jul 25 17:36:47 2003 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Moffitt of "Fri, 25 Jul 2003 09:04:17 PDT." <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> Message-ID: <200307260036.h6Q0alc75355@mail0.rawbw.com> Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://sourcefrog.net/weblog/books/taoup/dmullen-reply.html > 1: Well, it *is*, but given how much of Unix is a part of Perl, and > how much of the recent Unix community defines themselves by Perl, > I think he owes it to the reader to present a little more of the > benefits of the debacl^H^H^H^H^H^Hlanguage. Eh... I'll see your ESR and raise you Damian Conway. The irritating thing about the Perl vs Python "debate" is that it's the SOS. At last we have Python, a language that forces you to be structured and careful and orderly and will cause bugfree easily maintainable code to flow from your fingertips like bullshit from the Whitehouse. Somehow I think I've heard this before. I started reading the draft of ESR's "Art" a while back, and was immediately struck that he was repeating the "do one thing and do it well" slogan as if anyone ever really worked that way. Has he ever seen the man page for "tar"? How about "find"? The Unix Way is more like "do one thing sort-of-okay, and then trick it out with options and modifiers and run command files and embedded scripting languages until you can't tell when it's going to fry eggs or flush the toliet." From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Jul 25 23:23:20 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Eric Raymond's preachy Unix book doesn't suck, but he does. In-Reply-To: <200307260036.h6Q0alc75355@mail0.rawbw.com> References: <20030725160417.GB11557@zork.net> <200307260036.h6Q0alc75355@mail0.rawbw.com> Message-ID: <20030726062320.GB9974@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Joseph Brenner quotation: > I started reading the draft of ESR's "Art" a while back, and > was immediately struck that he was repeating the "do one thing > and do it well" slogan as if anyone ever really worked that > way. Has he ever seen the man page for "tar"? How about "find"? > The Unix Way is more like "do one thing sort-of-okay, and then > trick it out with options and modifiers and run command files > and embedded scripting languages until you can't tell when it's > going to fry eggs or flush the toliet." Actually, the Unix Way is Do One Thing Without Crashing And Then Call Twenty Other Programs To Do The Other Three Things You Want To Do. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Ih5WjLHcIq3dHxYRAsrtAJ4zsMrDDpPWfRWeg2ZxObNI6DTTFwCg0HkV S2/8+iyUOKpvaBro+12mn7E= =ySMk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Sat Jul 26 02:03:00 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ogg. iMac OS 8.6 Message-ID: How would a neophyte OS 8.6 user set up to hear the following item?... listed on the link at http://www.nyfairuse.org/ 2003/05/11 Listen to what we told the copyright office on 2003/05/02 2MB .ogg file http://www.nyfairuse.org/audio/cro.dmca/ Note: we will have more testimony online soon also in ogg format Download Free Ogg Player Software http://www.nyfairuse.org/oggplayer/ http://www.nyfairuse.org/ It did not appear to be very clear how to set up to hear it with OS 8.6 At this end it's a 96RAM 333 MHz tray loading iMac Apple Computer OS 8.6 http://www.macspeedzone.com/archive/5.0/upgradesmanufactureresults/iMac_333_june00.shtml http://images.google.com/images?q=333+imac&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi From dtype at dtype.org Sat Jul 26 10:31:57 2003 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ogg. iMac OS 8.6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030726173157.GZ31089@dtype.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 05:03:00AM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > How would a neophyte OS 8.6 user set up to hear the following item?... > listed on the link at > http://www.nyfairuse.org/ > > 2003/05/11 Listen to what we told the copyright office on 2003/05/02 > 2MB .ogg file http://www.vorbis.com/download_mac.psp Several players listed at the above url for mac, inclusing the reference player. They sort of mix OS X and OS 9 releases here. I'm not sure if any of them will work with 8.x, but it is worth a shot. - -drew - -- M. Drew Streib Independent Rambler, Software/Standards/Freedom/Law -- http://dtype.org/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD0DBQE/IrsCg2i7WWb7wYwRAkJ0AJiwM0Adk0OaujCdW/XYVcJ4rL6XAJdbvC3E PzbCiObdeKmKzPrSiNN4 =+7pp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 27 03:40:50 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention. Message-ID: By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention. ...CHAIRPERSON PETERS: Thank you. Mr. Sulzberger. http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2003/hearings/transcript-may2.pdf http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2003/hearings/schedule.html http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ ... p182 ... MR. SULZBERGER: Thank you. I'm Jay Sulzberger and I'm here representing New Yorkers for Fair Use. I was a little bit puzzled as to what to say on this panel because seemingly this particular panel is about very specific harms or very specific parts of a big complex law. But as a matter of fact, I've been provided by the first three panels with a parade of horribles. Mr. Montoro seems to have an 86 page parade of horribles. Of course, CERT has the most extraordinary parade of horribles, things that one would not have thought could happen in America, things that one would have expected from the old Russian Communist Empire. Of course, Mr. Band has just brought up the problems of the spontaneous or planned looting of ancient libraries of Earth's heritage. I was going to try to make what I thought was a difficult argument that we should not be discussing particular exemptions to particular anti-circumvention clauses of the DMCA. But I think that with the three panelists before me that the pattern is clear. There is no excuse for any anti-circumvention law in the United States of America because in each and every case it is not p183 that we have a parade of particular offenses against good sense, offenses against our freedom, attacks on free markets, attacks on scientific research, attacks of artists' rights, attacks upon our rights of free speech and the most important, a fundamental general and effective attack upon our present right of private ownership of computers. Computers today are printing presses and it's shocking. I have certain conservative tendencies. I'm also sympathetic to the Socialists but the idea that everybody who is a member of the middle classes can pick up a computer for $300 and pay their $20 a month and get Internet access and set up a webpage, it's shocking. Democracy is one thing but mob rule is another. Yes, there's nothing that America can do about this. I hope there isn't but it looks like there is. The DMCA'a anti-circumvention clauses in combination with the loose association, alliance of cartels, oligopolies, monopolies, which I term the "Englobulators" is in the process of placing spy machinery and remote control machinery at this very moment into every single Intel motherboard that's going to be sold in the new year. When Microsoft completes the software part of its system of DRM p184 called Palladium, this will end completely your right of ownership, your right of private use of your Palladiated computer. Now a question arises. It can't be true what I'm saying. I'm a nut. I'm an extremist. I'm strident. Yes. But I'm not nearly as much of a nut, I'm not nearly as much of an extremist and I'm not nearly as crazy, vicious, strident as the Englobulators. The question arises. Why hasn't the press picked up on the fact that I'm the less extreme of the extremists? I believe in the Constitution even though I didn't sign it. That's my anarchist side. I think there is something to the first 10 amendments and we should take the Fourth Amendment very seriously. I think also the Fifth has something to say about takings. Why doesn't the press get it? A very simple reason. I'm talking about rights and power. I'm talking about fundamental rights of ownership, fundamental rights of free speech, fundamental rights of free association using our Internet and our computers. Because in practice today, most people run a damaged, malfunctioning and obsolete operating system usually called Microsoft Windows p185 or several versions. Copyright law has already been dreadfully misapplied in the past 20 years to prevent people from gaining control of their property and their house. It's pretty important property. We know that Microsoft and as a matter of fact, all other vendors and makers of source-secret operating systems, it's almost impossible not to given into the temptation to spy somewhat when you are ether connected to the Internet. Sun has done it. Other companies have done it. It's mainly Microsoft because it was only after 1990 that the Internet became widely spread although some of us had email in 1970. But now, most people have a computer. It's their means of personal communication. It's also their means of authorship. It's their means of publication. Let me deal with the accusation of copyright infringement. Yes, sure. There can be a heck of a lot more very serious copyright, the most dreadful sort because there are computers in the Internet. I don't give a good God darn about it. The invention of writing was dreadful to the ancient honorable profession of the singing poets. The invention of the printing press did terrible p186 things to the Catholic Church's position in Europe particularly once the Bible was translated and then printed. Things change. The cries of a small unimportant industry, I mean the whole of the "content providers." I, of course, refuse to admit that there are any more content providers. I reread my own stuff and enjoy it much more than Disney has made since about 1935. I stand equal to them by the way. New Yorkers for Fair Use, one of our favorite tropes is "Nonsense, we're not consumers. We're owners and we're makers." Let me try and outline what anti-circumvention laws do and what they're about to do. This is one of our standard pieces of propaganda. We've been handing it out since last summer. "We are the stakeholders." Why do we say "We are the Stakeholders"? It's an old joke. Everybody knows this. I'm sure this is not the first person to say. In Washington parlance, what is a stakeholder? It's some organized group that can afford a full time lobbyist. That's all. The bizarre spectacle of course of seeing small private interest, when I say small, I mean small. The cotton subsidies last year in the p187 United States were about 40 percent the gross of Hollywood. You don't see huge articles about particular laws and the deep struggle and the basic principles over how much of a subsidy they should get. I'm not sure I'm actually going to read this whole thing but Freedom one, you may buy a copy of a movie recorded on DVD. You may watch this movie whenever you please. You may make copies of this movie, some which may be exact copies and others may be variant copies. We all know that the legal underpinning of DRM is anti-circumvention. In the future, you won't be able to do that. Now this is an assault of private ownership of computers. This is absurd. Let me just say and you all know this, Ernest Miller and Joan Feigenbaum both of Yale have suggested that this is just a mistake and it will soon be corrected. Copyright law shouldn't say anything about private copy. In the first place, technically it's going to be very hard. You're going to have endless of the most difficult subtle things. For example, there's something on a news spool. Is that a copy or is it something in p188 transmission? The nature point which will defend us against the dreadful assault on private property which is the all the anti-circumvention clauses of the DMCA is to draw a nature line inside your house. You have a copy of something. If you have lawfully obtained it P-By the way, we're not copyright extremists. I myself am a big supporter of the GPL which is a somewhat strict copyright license. I consider it to be part of the one main foundations of the success of free software. If you don't draw the line and you seek for exemptions, you'll have to make hundreds of exemptions. Even if you enforce them and you could enforce them, the principle would remain. You don't have control of your machine. You have to get lobbyists or grassroots organizations to come to Washington to appear before every three years and beg on bended knee for a particular exemption. We don't have to do that. You are allowed to turn to Congress and say "We've seen the parades of horribles and there's not just one parade." All of the people here arguing for exemptions, the principle is the same. These people can't reach into your house and tell you p1898 what to do. It's absurd. I'm going to try to avoid discussing the other side of the bundle of rights that these people want to take away from us, the rights of free publication, the rights of free dissemination which are of course restricted by copyright which I support strongly. I don't think it right that I should go down and steal a movie without paying for it and set up a movie house and charge admission for it. I'm sorry. I lose my track on one of my sentences before. You know the Xerox machine. It's always the same structure you all know this year. The people who have the old methods of publication think their methods have to go on forever. Always the word "business model" is used. We're not worried about their "business models." We're worried about our computers and our rights. I believe it is within your commission to turn and say we've had it. What are we going to do? Do we have to have these hearings every six months? We're going to have to have ten of you up there and a hundred of us here explaining the absolute terrible things that anti-circumvention laws in the United States do to markets, do to p190 freedom of speech, do to development of better computer, etc., etc. I think you can turn and say "We've heard enough." We would suggest that Congress reconsider the entire bundle of anti-circumvention clauses of the DMCA. If I'm asked specific questions, I would be happy to try and connect by at most three half steps any particular anti-circumvention measure to truly horrible and very large scale things. Thank you. CHAIRPERSON PETERS: Thank you... ... p1 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA + + + + + LIBRARY OF CONGRESS COPYRIGHT OFFICE + + + + + RULEMAKING HEARING + + + + + FRIDAY, MAY 2, 2003 + + + + + The hearing was held at 9:30 a.m. in the Postal Rate Commission's Hearing Room, Third Floor, 1333 H Street, Washington, D.C., Marybeth Peters, Register of Copyrights, presiding. PRESENT: MARYBETH PETERS Register of Copyrights DAVID CARSON General Counsel of Copyrights CHARLOTTE DOUGLASS Principal Legal Advisor ROBERT KASUNIC Senior Attorney of Copyrights STEVEN TEPP Policy Planning Advisor PANEL I WITNESSES: FRITZ ATTAWAY MICHAEL EINHORN, Ph.D. PHIL GENGLER STEVAN MITCHELL ROBERT MOORE SHIRA PERLMUTTER RUBIN SAFIR BRUCE TURNBULL PANEL II WITNESSES: JONATHAN BAND SHAWN HERNAN KEN KUPFERSCHMID CHRIS MOHR JOSEPH V. MONTORO, JR. EMERY SIMON NEAL R. GROSS p2 JAY SULZBERGER p3 I-N-D-E-X Morning Session Page Motion Pictures and Audio/Visual Works Rubin Safir 6 Phil Gengler 14 Robert Moore 16 Michael Einhorn 32 Bruce Turnbull 39 Shira Perlmutter 48 Fritz Attaway 54 Stevan Mitchell 58 Questions and Answers Afternoon Session Literary Works Joe Montoro 143 Shawn Hernan 158 Jonathan Band 166 Jay Sulzberger 170 Chris Mohr 178 Keith Kupferschmid 181 Emery Simon 196 Questions and Answers p4 P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S 9:38 a.m. CHAIRPERSON PETERS: On the record. Good morning. I'm Marybeth Peters, the Register of Copyrights. I would like to welcome everyone to the third of the four days of hearings in Washington in this Anti-Circumvention Rulemaking. The purpose of the rulemaking proceeding is to determine whether there are particular classes of works as to which users are or are likely to be adversely affected in their ability to make non-infringing uses if they are prohibited from circumventing technological measures that control access. It's a long sentence. Today our session will focus on a number of proposed exemptions relating to audio-visual works on DVDs including backing up audio-visual works, tethering an audio-visual work to particular devices and region coding on DVDs. This afternoon's session will focus on proposed exempts for literary works including computer programs... ... p194 ... MR. KUPFERSCHMID: Good afternoon. I'm Keith Kupferschmid. I have to say I've been called many things in my lifetime, some good and some bad. I've never been called an Englobulator. Is that what's it called? MR. SULZBERGER: Englobulator. I think that's useful term of art. ... p242 ... MR. SULZBERGER: I'd like to address the question of harms due to the DMCA and actually earlier what I consider misguided laws about copyright and software. I would like to specifically address some of the supposed harms that would come to writers of anti-virus software. You know real operating systems simply don't have viruses. For example, none of the Unisys have viruses despite the claims of the Microsoft apologists. There is no cause for any anti-virus software so there is no cause for any discussion now. p243 How come you can't go into a store and just buy an already loaded cheap IBM-style PC loaded with a free operating system? The BSA is of course partly at least a creature of Microsoft and they go around they terrify small companies and medium sized companies and government agencies and school districts and demand that their licenses be shown to them. At the same time, Microsoft's copyright license with the endusers guarantees the enduser the right to refuse the license and get a refund. The BSA stands with Microsoft in refusing to grant endusers relief from ever having to worry about anti-virus software. Now I'm going to connect this with dongles too. Dongles are old and nowadays often limited piece of hardware and software which is indeed a form of DRM or copy protection. Microsoft in collusion with unfortunately Intel and other large manufacturers of CPUs and motherboards is in the process of creating a single dongle which is deeply embedded into the motherboard and the CPU. There will be no dongle business and there'll be no getting around dongle business when this happens. This is happening now. p244 The harm to consumers is simple. No matter what Microsoft says and no matter what the BSA says they intend to never allow any free operating system, one that doesn't have viruses, the ones that run the `Net, the ones that send your email, the ones that run most of your websites that you go to. They don't want to let those into people's houses. The foundation, the legal underpinnings by which they intend to prevent this is misuse of copyright law. I just wanted to address where the real harms are. We're not talking about small to small companies or dongle go-arounds or dongle helper companies or dongle companies. We're talking about the entire home operating system business. The reason you have viruses and the reason your stuff doesn't work so well is because misapplication of copyright law and the failure to enforce the Anti-Trust Law. Every single anti-circumvention provision acts to increase the power of the present cartels, oligopolies and monopolies here. Thank you. ... p256 ... MS. DOUGLASS: I just have some quick one-shot questions. One of them goes to Mr. p257 Sulzberger. I understand I think that we're not here to really talk about fair use in general so whether or not the DMCA shafts fair use or not. I just wanted to ask about Palladium. What are the alternatives to Palladium? Why would you say "the end of the world we're not going to be able to do anything after"? MR. SULZBERGER: I can think of many business models as they are called or fanciful projections, businesses. But if I had the same persuasive power not saying anything corrupt here in any simple way that the Congress of the United States as the MPAA and the RIAA, the American Association of Publishers has, I can think of many business models that could make me billions of dollars very quickly if I could get special laws by which the United States, police forces and the courts would protect my new businesses. Here's a new business. I project porn on the side of buildings and I then debt people's accounts if they look at it. Now I could claim as a matter of fact under Copyright law that I need these special protections. After all, I own the porn in the sense of copyright because I hold the copyright. My answer is very simple. Things p258 really do change. We don't build pyramids anymore. Faberge eggs haven't been made in some time. Actually stuff like Petrarch wrote isn't being produced as much anymore. There are extraordinarily complex and actually heavy interactions between law, polity, custom, economics and human techniques of building things. So today the music industry cartel of the most absurd sort is able to charge $15 or $20 for a CD of a few songs. I don't know. I've never bought one in my life. Now that the Internet has come and computers have come surely there is dreadful copyright infringement just as there is every single day when one uses the Xerox machine. The answer is that Congress shouldn't pass laws to defend the special interests which are themselves gross violators of anti-trust law in the crudest possible sense and of course real copyright infringers as everyone knows. In a matter of fact if there were a symmetry in these laws, I would demand P Here's my answer to Palladium partly -that I be given permission to seize control of all the RIAA companies' computers so I could make sure they are not violating my copyrights. After all, their company is somebody p259 that's been convicted and have paid hundreds of millions of dollars for copyright violations. I have never violated a copyright in my life on any piece of popular music. So it seems to me quite reasonable that I should be able to go to the Congress and say and I should be able to go to Microsoft and say "Give me control over their machines. The answer is things change. If it's no longer they can't make money by selling CDs or they can't make money by selling things over the `Net if the trade-off is I give up my right to private ownership of my computer, I give up my right to privately e-mail, encrypt what I want to my friends, then I say "Good, there is no more such business." There aren't any buggy-whip companies today and that's because things change. Once you get a sense that what we're talking about is a small industry, there'll be music. I make music for myself. There'll be music. There'll be performances of music. With the free Internet, we'll make movies and we'll make more music. We'll make it collaboratively. Already people have put together which is not as finished a product as the "Star Trek" movies but amateurs have thrown together a short "Star Trek" p260 movie. Probably they would consider perhaps a copyright violation, the copyright of the only idea of the "Star Trek" universe. We don't need to give up private ownership of computers just to protect a few cartels. By the way, one of the monopolies we'll be protecting is Microsoft because no matter what they say since they violate the law today daily in the most gross manner possible, they certainly P-They violate by the way copyright licensing as I pointed out. Why are they pushing so hard for Palladium? Because without Palladium, we're going to break through. You'll be able to really control your own machine and a free operating system on it and they don't want that. Let them die. That's progress. ... p260 ... MR. HERNAN: I just wanted to be on record a little bit regarding Palladium. Palladium and its related technology, TCPA and now TCG, is a useful and powerful security technology that has legitimate uses. It is a tool like lots of security tools. With all due respects, Mr. Sulzberger, I don't think the scenarios of p261 Microsoft trying to take over the world through Palladium and TCG are really within the scope of this hearing. It is a useful and powerful technology that can be used for good and bad purposes. MR. SULZBERGER: May I briefly respond? MR. CARSON: Is it pertinent to what this hearing is about? MR. SULZBERGER: Yes. I said I would demonstrate it and I will demonstrate right now. What does Palladium do? It enables a person who is not the owner of the machine to run a Trojan which is heavily protected by effective technological measures as envisioned under the DMCA and makes it illegal for you to try and look and see what they are doing with your machine in your living room. It is directly connected. Now I wish to address Shawn Hernan. Of course I agree absolutely that there are some uses and it's conceivable I could want to allow you, sir, to run a shrouded Trojan operating system on my machine. It's conceivable. Let's be realistic. The same arguments would show that the first ten amendments of the United States Constitution are useless. This power should not be granted. It p262 will be effectively granted to a small group of monopolists, convicted monopolists in one case, oligopolists and cartels who have displayed the most brutal contempt for the rule of law and to think that now they will evince the most delicate concern for free markets when by changing one bit of the mask they would none but keys assigned by Microsoft to be placed in the TCPA is a fantasy so fantastic that I do not believe that anyone, Mr. Hernan, if he would consider the history would actually defend this. Thanks. That's all I'm going to say. ... Neal R. Gross Court Reporters and Transcribers 1323 Rhode Island Ave NW 202-234-4433 Washington DC 20005-3701 http://www.nealrgross.com http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2003/hearings/transcript-may2.pdf http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2003/hearings/schedule.html http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ From jays at panix.com Sun Jul 27 05:15:58 2003 From: jays at panix.com (Jay Sulzberger) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention.] Message-ID: <20030727121558.GA18907@panix.com> This redaction is good, but it is not perfect. Most of the failures to close sub-clauses are indeed my errors, and I can only plead that my old Emacs fell out of my Eustachian tube that morning in the small copyright terrorist camp I stayed at the night before, on the outskirts of the NSA^WGreat Falls Park. We hope to get a corrected transcript up at some point, and also an Ogg version, a voice-over over sea teak twisting memorious agonic songs of Dionysos. "Tasting the men tasting the whiskey" Yes, it is not, perhaps, beyond all conjecture what songs the Sirens sang. http://www.shaksper.net/archives/1999/1981.html oo--JS. From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Sun Jul 27 06:58:29 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GNU/Linux. Computer. Message-ID: a. Where can you buy a GNU/Linux computer? b. How can you get a GNU/Linux computer ?... From necco at relst8.net Sun Jul 27 07:35:37 2003 From: necco at relst8.net (Loki Ambrodious von Esling) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GNU/Linux. Computer. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030727143537.GA26988@relst8.net> On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 09:58:29AM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > a. Where can you buy a GNU/Linux computer? > ebay has $20 SPARC (i think) machines floating around all the time under a search for "debian" > > b. How can you get a GNU/Linux computer ?... > build one -- . \ ` ' / . ._` __^__ '_. Loki Ambridous von Esling [()=()] RELST8 - http://www.relst8.net /_____\ Justified From simm at zork.net Sun Jul 27 09:25:46 2003 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GNU/Linux. Computer. In-Reply-To: <20030727143537.GA26988@relst8.net> References: <20030727143537.GA26988@relst8.net> Message-ID: <20030727162546.GB29266@zork.net> begin Loki Ambrodious von Esling quotation: > On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 09:58:29AM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > > a. Where can you buy a GNU/Linux computer? > > > > ebay has $20 SPARC (i think) machines floating around all the time under > a search for "debian" > i. What is ebay? ii. How can I obtain 20$? iii. What is a SPARC machine 1) why does it float? > > > > b. How can you get a GNU/Linux computer ?... > > > > build one i. What parts are the absolute bare minimum needed? ii. What parts are additional? As usual, i reserve the right to additional follow up questions. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From dtype at dtype.org Sun Jul 27 09:40:48 2003 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GNU/Linux. Computer. In-Reply-To: <20030727162546.GB29266@zork.net> References: <20030727143537.GA26988@relst8.net> <20030727162546.GB29266@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030727164048.GA31089@dtype.org> On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 09:25:46AM -0700, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > i. What is ebay? ebay is an animal that can only occur once in nature by definition. It is pretty scary when it is chasing you, and even scarier when it eats you. It looks sickly enough that you think if you stare at it long enough it will die, but it never seems to. > ii. How can I obtain 20$? I suggest prostitution. Depending on your looks it may take several times around. > iii. What is a SPARC machine > 1) why does it float? I think all big endian machines float. Something to do with their bit density. If you fill up their hard drives though sometimes you can load them up with enough data to sink them. -drew -- M. Drew Streib Independent Rambler, Software/Standards/Freedom/Law -- http://dtype.org/ From joakim at avmaria.com Sun Jul 27 14:16:42 2003 From: joakim at avmaria.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1059340586.1488.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, 2003-07-27 at 05:40, Don Saklad wrote: > By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention. Congratulations. You sounded like a complete nut, much like you've been sounding here on the list too. Saying "englobulators" in front of a hearing panel, and talking about your personal sympathies for socialists. What a great idea. -- The Private Joakim Ziegler - Not Speaking For Anyone But Myself joakim@avmaria.com - http://www.avmaria.com - rdgzt@Undernet http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.fix.no/ From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Jul 27 17:09:55 2003 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] By Jay Sulzberger. Anticircumvention. In-Reply-To: <1059340586.1488.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> (Joakim Ziegler's message of "27 Jul 2003 16:16:42 -0500") References: <1059340586.1488.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >>>>> "jz" == Joakim Ziegler writes: jz> Saying "englobulators" in front of a hearing panel, nuts may not have as large campaign contributions to offer as the pokerfaced shiney-shoed rich capitalists, but they probably tend to be registered voters in a greater percentage than non-nuts. if you don't have the cash, acting like a nut may actually be a good strategy. i think if he could get the AFL-CIO to indorse our wing nut position, he'd be golden. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Jul 28 11:16:13 2003 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from the world of Human Resources Message-ID: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> ----- Forwarded message from "Robert X. Cringely" ----- Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:40:00 -0500 From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: ROBERT X. CRINGELY(R): "Notes from the Field" from InfoWorld.com, July 28, 2003 ...snip... Thoughtfully included in one Netscapee's severance "care package" was a free AOL 8.0 disc. ...snip... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE/CHANGE E-MAIL To subscribe, unsubscribe or change your e-mail address for any of InfoWorld's e-mail newsletters, go to:http://www.iwsubscribe.com/newsletters/ To subscribe to InfoWorld.com, or InfoWorld Print, or both, or to renew or correct a problem with any InfoWorld subscription, go to http://www.iwsubscribe.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Don Marti Reform copyright law -- return abandoned works http://zgp.org/~dmarti to the public domain after 50 years: dmarti@zgp.org http://www.PetitionOnline.com/eldred/petition.html KG6INA From pedro at tastytronic.net Mon Jul 28 11:29:43 2003 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from the world of Human Resources In-Reply-To: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> References: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030728182943.GJ9291@tastytronic.net> Quoting Don Marti: > Thoughtfully included in one Netscapee's severance "care package" > was a free AOL 8.0 disc That sir, is comedy. -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Jul 28 12:11:01 2003 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian Danger Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from the world of Human Resources In-Reply-To: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> References: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030728191101.GC9974@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Don Marti quotation: > Thoughtfully included in > one Netscapee's severance "care package" was a free AOL 8.0 disc. And rightfully so. Version 8.0 IS our most advanced version of America Online to date, after all. Well, actually 8.0 PLUS is, but you don't expect us to just GIVE that away, do you? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JXVDjLHcIq3dHxYRAs8hAJ9EmOKwIZUAKyn+G/Og/kyUR+R2KwCZAaxi vYBqT9ojpJ0JnMzhfux++pU= =zMTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sayler at speedsite.com Mon Jul 28 12:48:57 2003 From: sayler at speedsite.com (Matthew Sayler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from the world of Human Resources In-Reply-To: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> References: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20030728194857.GB22781@cesum.speedsite.com> Don Marti forwarded: > Thoughtfully included in > one Netscapee's severance "care package" was a free AOL 8.0 disc. You know, the really cool AOL users pronounce Netscape such that it rhymes with Nescafe. Java anyone? Matt -- /* Matt Sayler -- Sr. Network Engineer, Speedsite Online * (773) 324-2954 -- sayler@speedsite.com */ From nick at zork.net Mon Jul 28 16:00:04 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Re: 2003 Stella Awards] Message-ID: <20030728230003.GF5115@zork.net> Glen wants everyone to GTFOML!!!! ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Look folks... I know they're Urban Legends and generally untrue stories, but they're funny, and 0xdeadbeef is not CNN. Laugh at them. But if y'all want to say "Aw c'mon, do a little research, blah blah blah" ... you can just unsubscribe... glen ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end Support your droogs! From nick at zork.net Mon Jul 28 22:10:53 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20030729051053.GH5115@zork.net> HE IS LEAVING IN ANTICIPATION OF BODO'S RETURN. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- davej@suse.de has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end Support your droogs! From nick at zork.net Mon Jul 28 22:46:29 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] emad Message-ID: <20030729054629.GJ5115@zork.net> Here, have a yoo arr ell: http://www.maniacyak.co.uk/sa/1051365861009.gif -- end Support your droogs! From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Tue Jul 29 01:37:02 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE CENTERS FOR Disease Control and Prevention, which reported the finding on Monday at the 2003 National GNU/HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta, also revealed that AIDS diagnoses overall at slashdot.org had risen 2.2 percent to 42, 136 last year. Message-ID: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=72753&threshold=-1&commentsort=1&tid=111&mode=nested&startat=75&pid=0 Important Information (Score:-1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 28, @08:26PM (#6555157) THE CENTERS FOR Disease Control and Prevention, which reported the finding on Monday at the 2003 National GNU/HIV Prevention Conference in Atlanta, also revealed that AIDS diagnoses overall at slashdot.org had risen 2.2 percent to 42,136 last year. The AIDS epidemic in the Lunix Industry is far from over, said Dr. Harold Jaffe, director of the CDCs National Center for GNU/HIV, STD and TB Prevention. An estimated 850,000 to 950,000 Linux users have the AIDS virus. AIDS killed 16,371 Lunix fags across the nation last year, about 6 percent fewer than in 2001, according to the CDC. Although U.S. health officials have been preaching GNU/HIV prevention to slashdot editors, they have become particularly concerned in recent years by an apparent resurgence of infections among gay and bisexual Maldas. GNU/HIV diagnoses among men who have sex with Rob Malda surged 71.1 percent last year, according to data collected by the CDC from 25 states that have long-standing Malda GNU/HIV reporting. New diagnoses in this high-risk group have increased 177.7 percent since 1999, while remaining stable in other vulnerable communities. Jaffe cautioned, however, that the jump in GNU/HIV diagnoses could have been caused by increases in the number of gay and bisexual Linux users being tested for the virus and was not proof that this group was being infected at a faster rate. STANDARD TESTS Standard GNU/HIV tests cannot tell when a person was infected with the virus, leaving open the possibility that GNU/HIV was contracted many years before being detected. That could change in the coming months as the CDC implements a new GNU/HIV tracking system running on the Lunix, which is based on a blood test that it says can determine whether a person had been infected with GNU/HIV in the previous six months. CDC officials said the new surveillance strategy, was prompted by a need for more precise data on open sores GNU/HIV infections and trends. About 40,000 new GNU/HIV infections are reported in the Linux community each year. Since the AIDS virus first surfaced in 1981, estimates of new GNU/HIV cases have been based on the predictable length of time usually 10 years that elapsed between an initial infection and the onset of AIDS symptoms. But the development of antiretroviral drugs has slowed the progression of AIDS and made it more difficult to predict when a person contracted GNU/HIV. It will provide us timely information on GNU/HIV transmission that is occurring now, said Dr. Robert Janssen, who directs Linux GNU/HIV prevention programs at the Atlanta-based agency. What it will do is allow us to target our prevention programs to those areas and populations among whom GNU/HIV is being currently transmitted, Janssen added. The CDC plans to have the system in place in 35 areas that account for 93 percent of annual GNU/HIV infections by 2004. The agency has allocated $13 million in supplemental funding to Lunix user groups for the program in fiscal 2004. http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=72753&threshold=-1&commentsort=1&tid=111&mode=nested&startat=75&pid=0 [ Reply to This ] From pedro at tastytronic.net Tue Jul 29 08:56:44 2003 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] it's called mass hysteria Message-ID: <20030729155644.GA15539@tastytronic.net> Examining 1962's 'laughter epidemic' http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-0307290281jul29,1,2416748.story (free reg, so I pasted it here.) By Simone Sebastian Tribune staff reporter Published July 29, 2003 Christian F. Hempelmann's research is a barrel of laughs. Well, a village of laughs to be exact. On the 40th anniversary of the Tanganyika Laughter Epidemic of 1962, the Purdue University linguistics doctorate candidate began researching the mythicized event that claims to have paralyzed numerous towns for months while residents were consumed with insatiable laughter. But this yearlong plague of the giggles is no laughing matter. At this month's International Society for Humor Studies Conference at Northeastern Illinois University, Hempelmann argued that it was extensive stress, not bliss, that victimized thousands of residents in the African village. And in today's world of terrorism and 12-hour workdays, he said it could happen again. Q. What is the popular concept of what happened in Tanganyika in 1962? A. It started in a little boarding school in the village of Kashasha in what is now Tanzania, Africa. There was an initial event of laughter by a small group of students, possibly due to a joke. Eventually, the whole school was affected by the laughter by contagion. People take this at face value. One person laughs, then another person laughs, then it spreads like an avalanche. So when parents picked up their children from school, they started laughing. Then it spread to other villages, and so on. And depending on where you read about it, the laughing epidemic lasted for anywhere from six months to a year-and-a-half. The original report on the event has been misquoted and exaggerated. Q. Sounds fun, but not credible. Is this even possible? A. No. They weren't laughing continuously for a year. People ignore the physiology of laughter. No one can laugh for more than about 20 seconds because laughing is such a strain on respiration. You know when you laugh for so long that it starts to hurt? You just can't do it for that long. So it is impossible for an entire population to laugh for a year because it's impossible for one person to laugh for more than a minute. Q. So is it all a myth? A. Something did happen in Tanganyika. The bad news is, it had nothing to do with humor. There was no merriment. Laughter was one of many symptoms. These people were showing anxiety-related symptoms, from pain, to fainting, to respiratory problems, and sometimes people get rashes. There were attacks of crying as well as laughing. The incident did last for about a year, but it occurred in relapses, not constantly. It spread to a couple of other schools and another village. The school did close down. You can't know exactly how many people were affected, but it was around several thousand. Q. What caused it? A. It's called mass hysteria. This is when a certain behavior is observed in a group of people that is not related to a certain environmental stimulus. There is no specific cause. Now we call it Mass Psychogenic Illness (MPI). It's psychogenic, meaning it is all in the minds of the people who showed the symptoms. It's not caused by an element in the environment, like food poisoning or a toxin. There is an underlying shared stress factor in the population. It usually occurs in a group of people who don't have a lot of power. MPI is a last resort for people of a low status. It's an easy way for them to express that something is wrong. That may be why it has come to be associated more often with women. Q. Can something like this happen again? A. It's more common than you think. It usually starts in a school or in a work place, when people are in a stressful situation and they don't have the power to get out of that situation. In 1962, Tanganyika had just won its independence. The young people involved reported that they were feeling stressed by the higher expectations of their teachers and parents. It is a common occurrence and a costly occurrence if it occurs at your workplace because it may have to be closed down. This happened in Lafayette, Ind., a couple of years ago. They'll get someone to spray the area to comfort people who were involved. People will say that there were a bunch of bugs and we were all stung by it. They won't admit that it was hysteria. Q. Will there be anymore research into the Tanganyika epidemic to develop ways to prevent a similar case in the future? A. This case is dead. No good records were kept on it, so it's going to be hard to get reliable information. I'm going to try to go there to interview people who were there at the time. But the problem with studying MPI is that by the time authorities come in, it's over. It will always be a hard thing to witness. -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From jv at zork.net Tue Jul 29 14:58:56 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: Art-Bots Talkin'bout Art (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] news from the world of Human Resources) In-Reply-To: <20030728182943.GJ9291@tastytronic.net> References: <20030728181613.GM16532@zgp.org> <20030728182943.GJ9291@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20030729215856.GE27632@zork.net> begin Peter A. Peterson II quotation: > Quoting Don Marti: > > Thoughtfully included in one Netscapee's severance "care package" > > was a free AOL 8.0 disc > That sir, is comedy. More specifically, it's irony with a thoughtful dash of sarcasm. Brian's rejoinder: "And rightfully so. Version 8.0 IS our most advanced version of America Online to date, after all. "Well, actually 8.0 PLUS is, but you don't expect us to just GIVE that away, do you?" ... this is satire. My art, herein... parasitic, with delusions of symbiosis. -jv From crackmonkey at bb-zone.com Tue Jul 29 15:00:09 2003 From: crackmonkey at bb-zone.com (me again) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sick Message-ID: <1059516009.6891.45.camel@bodolinux.networkrobots.com> http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3178.htm From jason at sopko.net Tue Jul 29 15:29:58 2003 From: jason at sopko.net (Jason Sopko) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sick In-Reply-To: <1059516009.6891.45.camel@bodolinux.networkrobots.com> References: <1059516009.6891.45.camel@bodolinux.networkrobots.com> Message-ID: <3F26F566.4070102@sopko.net> begin me again wrote: > http://informationclearinghouse.info/article3178.htm That's a great story, aside from the rather humorous comment at the top. Thanks for the link. ///Jason From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Jul 29 15:57:26 2003 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sick In-Reply-To: <1059516009.6891.45.camel@bodolinux.networkrobots.com> References: <1059516009.6891.45.camel@bodolinux.networkrobots.com> Message-ID: <200307291857.26914.dep@linuxandmain.com> then get treatment. -- dep Feelings of worthlessness are often brought on by worthlessness. From nick at zork.net Tue Jul 29 19:24:30 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:39 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030730022430.GT5115@zork.net> You again. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Moo has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end Support your droogs! From sam at dasbistro.com Thu Jul 31 00:34:28 2003 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead Message-ID: Please send me as much free merchandise as possible. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_en_mu/obit_phillips_5 -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com Reno Nevada From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Jul 31 00:46:01 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030731074601.GD13822@zork.net> (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_en_mu/obit_phillips_5) > In 2000, the A&E cable network ran a two-hour biography called "Sam > Phillips: The Man Who Invented Rock and Roll." That was YOU! -- end Support your droogs! From monkey at someplace.us Thu Jul 31 06:55:47 2003 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead In-Reply-To: <20030731074601.GD13822@zork.net> References: <20030731074601.GD13822@zork.net> Message-ID: <1059659746.27219.28453.camel@dante> On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 03:46, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030731/ap_on_en_mu/obit_phillips_5) > > In 2000, the A&E cable network ran a two-hour biography called "Sam > > Phillips: The Man Who Invented Rock and Roll." > > That was YOU! Don't act so surprised. You're the one who's been dealing out the zombie crack. Now this place is going to be full of the undead, and they're notoriously shitty tippers. From monkey at someplace.us Thu Jul 31 08:24:09 2003 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead] Message-ID: <1059665047.26873.30856.camel@dante> Speaking of the undead,... -----Forwarded Message----- From: Keith Groves To: Monkey from the other side of the jungle Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead Date: 31 Jul 2003 15:21:31 +0100 I am no longer reachable at this address. You can contact a colleague at Evolution through the main switchboard on 020 7886 9474. Alternatively you may email me at ksg+evo@88.net . Regards, Keith. From nick at zork.net Thu Jul 31 08:51:00 2003 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20030731155100.GH13822@zork.net> http://reinit.org/source/ > Forbidden > You don't have permission to access /source/ on this server. d00d, h0w d0 3y3 g3t ur s33kr1t w@r3z????!?!???? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- Jason Cook has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- end Support your droogs! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Jul 31 08:54:16 2003 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead] In-Reply-To: <1059665047.26873.30856.camel@dante> References: <1059665047.26873.30856.camel@dante> Message-ID: <20030731155416.GI13822@zork.net> > From: Keith Groves [...] > I am no longer reachable at this address. You can contact a > colleague at Evolution through the main switchboard on 020 7886 > 9474. Alternatively you may email me at ksg+evo@88.net . Regards, > Keith. Is anyone in his gubble-gubble moon-man country? We should all send him mail without the plus addressing. I've got his stupid broken reply crap bogofiltered to destruction, so fuck you people if you can't handle this bullshit yerself. -- end Support your droogs! From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Jul 31 09:47:37 2003 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [Fwd: Out of Office AutoReply: [!CrackMonkey!] I'm Dead] In-Reply-To: <20030731155416.GI13822@zork.net> References: <1059665047.26873.30856.camel@dante> <20030731155416.GI13822@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 31 Jul 2003, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > I've got his stupid broken reply crap bogofiltered to > destruction, so fuck you people if you can't handle this bullshit > yerself. why don't you just remove him from the list so nobody else has to bother? oh, nevermind From doom at kzsu.stanford.edu Thu Jul 31 12:29:27 2003 From: doom at kzsu.stanford.edu (Joseph Brenner) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] What Don Marti has been waiting for... Message-ID: <200307311929.h6VJTRH95888@mail0.rawbw.com> Cover story in the current issue of Playboy: "Foam Home! It's THE WOMEN OF STARBUCKS" "Warning: Contents REALLY Hot!" From jv at zork.net Thu Jul 31 13:06:40 2003 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: ?How are things in panacea (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey subscription notification]) In-Reply-To: <20030731155100.GH13822@zork.net> References: <20030731155100.GH13822@zork.net> Message-ID: <20030731200639.GB29132@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://reinit.org/source/ > > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /source/ on this server. > d00d, h0w d0 3y3 g3t ur s33kr1t w@r3z????!?!???? > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-bounces@crackmonkey.org ----- > Jason Cook has been successfully subscribed to > CrackMonkey. > ----- End forwarded message ----- ?Alloah... we are in panacea, ?yes... please to help us locate your nukwier wessels: [http://reinit.org/]: "Moving soon October 02, 2001 No not me, the site. I'm going to be migrating my site and mail over to panacea here shortly" From sam at dasbistro.com Thu Jul 31 20:10:23 2003 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] What Don Marti has been waiting for... In-Reply-To: <200307311929.h6VJTRH95888@mail0.rawbw.com> References: <200307311929.h6VJTRH95888@mail0.rawbw.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 31, 2003, at 12:29 PDT, Joseph Brenner wrote: > > Cover story in the current issue of Playboy: > > "Foam Home! It's THE WOMEN OF STARBUCKS" > "Warning: Contents REALLY Hot!" I'D BUY THAT FOR A DOLLAR! -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com Reno Nevada From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 31 23:31:56 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] gnu/linux type of computer Message-ID: Exactly how would you put together a gnu/linux type of computer for grandma or for another person not connected with the industry, the hacker community, or orientated previously toward the hobby?... Recently a local gnu/linux expert deflected the specifics of such enquiry, deflected giving specs while claiming the usability of a properly put together gnu/linux type of computer. From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Thu Jul 31 23:35:28 2003 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:58:40 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: gnu/linux type of computer Message-ID: For example, how do you select the motherboard for a gnu/linux type of computer for grandma or for another person not already well connected with the industry, the hacker community, or orientated previously toward the hobby?...