From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Sep 1 00:33:21 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> References: Message-ID: At 13.28 -0700 02-08-31, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: >begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >> We need to do something. > You're fired! My bed is on fire. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 1 02:20:48 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:33:21AM +0200 References: <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020901052048.A31838@as220.org> Mikael Pawlo looked into the void, and said: > My bed is on fire. I was once in a band called The Ladychairs, and we used to play a song called "You're Hot Like ... Um ... Fire." I don't know if this helps us to figure out what we "Really" need to do, but that's all I thought about when I read the above post. Maybe the "something" that we really need to do is something urgent related to the future of ideas in cyberspace? -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Sep 1 01:14:35 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020901052048.A31838@as220.org> References: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:33:21AM +0200 <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> Message-ID: At 05.20 -0400 02-09-01, Matt Obert wrote: > Maybe the "something" that we really need to do is something urgent > related to the future of ideas in cyberspace? Speaking of which, what happened to Jay Sulzberger's lobbyism? Any follow-ups there? Any DC tables on fire? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Sep 1 01:38:19 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: References: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:33:21AM +0200 <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <1030869499.10068.12097.camel@amory> On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 04:14, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > Speaking of which, what happened to Jay Sulzberger's lobbyism? Any > follow-ups there? Any DC tables on fire? > -----Forwarded Message----- From: Ruben I Safir To: fairuse@www2.mrbrklyn.com, hangout@www2.mrbrklyn.com Subject: [hangout] Fwd: Department of Commerce Report [ruben@mrbrklyn.com] Date: 31 Aug 2002 20:37:49 -0400 On 2002.08.31 15:37 Ruben I Safir wrote: Gentlemen: I've read over the official Washington Report on the procededing on DRM and I believe it presents for us our next operation, but we have to move fast, and we need to be very organized. The part position on the report is that the report is a coverup, because it deletes from the public record the input of the public from the crowd and misrepresents the publics position in regard to DRM. Now - this may or may not be true...BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER, because there is enough public press on the hearings to support this allegation, and allow us to air our positions again. This is the plan, and it's open for commentary. We attack this on two front, local and in Washington. First, we need to go through the Department of Commerce report and re-edit it to include the public commentary as it was presented in the room. This needs to include Richards statements, Jay's statement, Vinnie offering of the floor to Richard, and all the other commentary that we can find. Second - We then need to go to DC again, and hold a press conference in front of the Commerce Department with Copies of the "REAL REPORT" and then FOLLOW UP with a Demonstration. Third - We stage a protest in front of Congressman Weiners Office in Brooklyn, and do the same thing again, and demand that Congress Investigate the corruption at the DOC. We need a Press Agent An Editor Someone to Organize a Trip to DC 10 SOLID SOLDIERS for both Washington and Brooklyn From thaytan at bigpond.net.au Sun Sep 1 02:11:30 2002 From: thaytan at bigpond.net.au (Jan Schmidt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <200208301837.g7UIbPQu006957@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020830160557.GM24583@zork.net> <20020830161027.GA1500@eiv.com> <20020830164507.GB1816@perkypants.org> <200208301837.g7UIbPQu006957@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020901091130.GA439@masher.homeip.net> > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:45:07 +1000, Jeff Waugh said: > > > Everybody knows twits belong in /opt. > > KDE will not be happy with you, Mr. McMahon. > > KDE transcends mere twit-hood, and belongs elsewhere. /dev/null ? -- Jan Schmidt thaytan@mad.scientist.com Open Source Software: Free as in Free Speech, not Free Beer From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Sep 1 04:09:47 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy mailman-day! Message-ID: Looking forward to any pirate jokes! _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From pawal at blipp.com Sun Sep 1 04:13:25 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy mailman-day! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020901111325.GD11504@vic20.blipp.com> On Sun, 01 Sep 2002, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > Looking forward to any pirate jokes! _Someone_ ruined the whole thing yesterday already. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733115977 From mikael at pawlo.com Sun Sep 1 04:16:25 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! In-Reply-To: <20020831201551.GE1722@perkypants.org> Message-ID: At 06.15 +1000 02-09-01, Jeff Waugh wrote: >HAPPY MAILMAN DAY FROM AUSTRIA! The sun rises early down under! M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From sneakums at zork.net Sun Sep 1 04:46:33 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:33:21 +0200") References: Message-ID: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 13.28 -0700 02-08-31, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > wrote: >>begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >>> We need to do something. >> You're fired! > > My bed is on fire. And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what with you being a real live wire and all. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From brian at 8ball.wox.org Sun Sep 1 05:12:02 2002 From: brian at 8ball.wox.org (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! Message-ID: <20020901121202.GA5124@8ball.wox.org> In honor of Mailman Day, here's a joke: One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, "You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?" And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Sep 1 05:38:59 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy mailman-day! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200209010838.59681.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mikael Pawlo's quote: | Looking forward to any pirate jokes! if there were no pirates, there would be no one to fly the planes in japan. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 1 07:08:12 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020901091130.GA439@masher.homeip.net> References: <20020830160557.GM24583@zork.net> <20020830161027.GA1500@eiv.com> <20020830164507.GB1816@perkypants.org> <200208301837.g7UIbPQu006957@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020901091130.GA439@masher.homeip.net> Message-ID: <20020901140811.GC6310@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jan Schmidt quotation: > > > KDE transcends mere twit-hood, and belongs elsewhere. > > /dev/null ? Be sure to compress it first, so it doesn't fill up the bit bucket. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj1yH0sACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1LNQCg9xlaqJZArbf8SUvWeAyOKY/w 4wsAoNQ5nvyeoq5cxslxx10zyHiHFx+w =oY0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From joe at barrera.org Sun Sep 1 14:39:34 2002 From: joe at barrera.org (Joseph S. Barrera III) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> Sean Neakums wrote: > And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what > with you being a real live wire and all. Quest-que c'est? From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 1 18:58:09 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org>; from joe@barrera.org on Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 02:39:34PM -0700 References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> Message-ID: <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, and said: > Sean Neakums wrote: > > And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what > > with you being a real live wire and all. > > Quest-que c'est? > It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From andy at strugglers.net Sun Sep 1 19:11:59 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:58:09PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, and said: > > Sean Neakums wrote: > > > And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what > > > with you being a real live wire and all. > > > > Quest-que c'est? > > > > It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. > > If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. I hate people when they're not polite. From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 1 21:21:37 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk>; from andy@strugglers.net on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:11:59AM +0100 References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: > On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:58:09PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, and said: > > > Sean Neakums wrote: > > > > And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what > > > > with you being a real live wire and all. > > > > > > Quest-que c'est? > > > > > > > It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. > > > > If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. > > I hate people when they're not polite. So, back to the topic at hand ... what's the future of DRM again? -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 1 21:28:34 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <1030869499.10068.12097.camel@amory>; from ron@vnetworx.net on Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 04:38:19AM -0400 References: ; <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> <1030869499.10068.12097.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020902002834.C16493@as220.org> Ron Guerin looked into the void, and said: > On Sun, 2002-09-01 at 04:14, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > > Speaking of which, what happened to Jay Sulzberger's lobbyism? Any > > follow-ups there? Any DC tables on fire? > > On 2002.08.31 15:37 Ruben I Safir wrote: > Gentlemen: > > > We need a Press Agent > An Editor > Someone to Organize a Trip to DC > > 10 SOLID SOLDIERS for both Washington and Brooklyn Well, I can't make it to Washington, DC or Brooklyn -- but I am a really solid copy editor (albeit a busy guy.) Contact me if you need someone to go over your copy with an eye for grammatical inelegance. -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Sep 1 22:13:00 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902002834.C16493@as220.org> References: <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> <1030869499.10068.12097.camel@amory> <20020902002834.C16493@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020902051300.GE1778@perkypants.org> > Well, I can't make it to Washington, DC or Brooklyn -- but I am a > really solid copy editor (albeit a busy guy.) Contact me if you need > someone to go over your copy with an eye for grammatical inelegance. Just what we need - a paid pedant. - Jeff -- From sneakums at zork.net Mon Sep 2 00:58:28 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:21:37 -0400") References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> Message-ID: <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Matt Obert quotation: > Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: >> On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:58:09PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: >> > "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, and said: >> > > Sean Neakums wrote: >> > > > And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, what >> > > > with you being a real live wire and all. >> > > >> > > Quest-que c'est? >> > > >> > >> > It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. >> > >> > If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. >> >> I hate people when they're not polite. > > So, back to the topic at hand ... what's the future of DRM again? You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From modus at as220.org Mon Sep 2 04:58:40 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902051300.GE1778@perkypants.org>; from jdub@perkypants.org on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:13:00PM +1000 References: <20020831202851.GH24583@zork.net> <1030869499.10068.12097.camel@amory> <20020902002834.C16493@as220.org> <20020902051300.GE1778@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20020902075840.A19321@as220.org> Jeff Waugh looked into the void, and said: > > > > Well, I can't make it to Washington, DC or Brooklyn -- but I am a > > really solid copy editor (albeit a busy guy.) Contact me if you need > > someone to go over your copy with an eye for grammatical inelegance. > > Just what we need - a paid pedant. No way ... I'm volunteering. -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From joe at barrera.org Mon Sep 2 03:23:05 2002 From: joe at barrera.org (Joseph S. Barrera III) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> Message-ID: <3D733C09.1000904@barrera.org> Matt Obert wrote: > Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: > >> On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:58:09PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: >> >>> "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, >>> and said: >>> >>>> Sean Neakums wrote: >>>>> And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, >>>>> what with you being a real live wire and all. >>>> >>>> Quest-que c'est? >>> >>> It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. >>> >>> If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. >> >> I hate people when they're not polite. > > So, back to the topic at hand ... what's the future of DRM again? Come with Us. Learn the Truth. We will Appear to you From Time to Time. From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Sep 2 05:51:43 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020902125142.GB10463@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Shawn Neakums quotation: > > > So, back to the topic at hand ... what's the future of DRM again? > > You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything. But, in the future, will he be able to effectively maintain his intellectual property rights for his gibberish despite the predations of eee-vill hacker pirate terrorists? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj1zXt4ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2hKwCg9odnLlgakCilGQjdZz4qlvaK vwEAoNHd9YfCyd5P3lylGAj+pXdDQwje =k7iG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From modus at as220.org Mon Sep 2 07:36:52 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <3D733C09.1000904@barrera.org>; from joe@barrera.org on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 03:23:05AM -0700 References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <3D733C09.1000904@barrera.org> Message-ID: <20020902103652.B20141@as220.org> "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, and said: > Matt Obert wrote: > > Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: > > > >> On Sun, Sep 01, 2002 at 09:58:09PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > >> > >>> "Joseph S. Barrera III" looked into the void, > >>> and said: > >>> > >>>> Sean Neakums wrote: > >>>>> And now I suppose you are going to demand not to be touched, > >>>>> what with you being a real live wire and all. > >>>> > >>>> Quest-que c'est? > >>> > >>> It's obviously some kind of rock and roll thing. > >>> > >>> If you were a real live wire, you'd understand. > >> > >> I hate people when they're not polite. > > > > So, back to the topic at hand ... what's the future of DRM again? > > Come with Us. > Learn the Truth. > We will Appear to you > From Time to Time. Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away ... (Oh-oh-oh-ohh, yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.) -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 2 10:16:20 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902103652.B20141@as220.org> References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <3D733C09.1000904@barrera.org> <20020902103652.B20141@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020902171619.GB24583@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away ... > (Oh-oh-oh-ohh, yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi-yi.) Man, where's Jimmy Jazz when you need him? -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 2 10:17:32 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020902171732.GC24583@zork.net> Ha ha. There were already 13 dutch "blah" users! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- blah14@zonnet.nl has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 2 11:04:17 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [sf-caco] Pirate at BM with an unusual costuming accessory... Message-ID: <20020902180417.GI24583@zork.net> Damn those cacophonistos! ----- Forwarded message from BITWclub@aol.com ----- So, I'm HOME from Burning Man, and, WOW, the things I saw! I watched Pirates and Clowns and Santas, and I saw Sandwich pret'near bust her leg, and Leila licked my dick, and Mike & Michelle gave me booze, lube, and a vibrator. What a week! So I'm sitting at Pinky's on Friday in that hour between the dust storm and the rain, and I'm watching a gorgeous blonde in a skin-tight nurse costume taunt the crowd, along with dozens of other cute boys and girls who strip and dry hump the brass pole...and a PIRATE I don't know walks up and sits down next to me...and he has a steering wheel sticking out of the crotch of his pants. I said, "Hey, Long Jon Silver, is that a steering wheel sticking out of your crotch, or are you just happy to see me?" He gulped his beer, burped, and said, "Arrrrgh...it's a steering wheel, alright, matey...and it's drivin' me nuts!" RJ PS: For those twits who prefer it, that story is herewith submitted in Haiku form: Pirate in a bar Steering wheel out of his crotch "It's drivin' me nuts!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT [IMG] [IMG] To unsubscribe, send a message to: sf-caco-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com For events announcements only, send a message to: sf-caco-events-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Group info: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sf-caco/ http://sf-caco.zpub.com/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Mon Sep 2 11:13:26 2002 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [sf-caco] Pirate at BM with an unusual costuming accessory... In-Reply-To: <20020902180417.GI24583@zork.net> References: <20020902180417.GI24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020902181325.GB20085@offended.co.uk> * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > Pirate in a bar > Steering wheel out of his crotch > "It's drivin' me nuts!" > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > [IMG] [IMG] I think I preferred the second haiku. Tom. -- .^. .-------------------------------------------------------. /V\ | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /( )\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From jspence at lightconsulting.com Mon Sep 2 11:16:28 2002 From: jspence at lightconsulting.com (Jason Spence) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [sf-caco] Pirate at BM with an unusual costuming accessory... In-Reply-To: <20020902181325.GB20085@offended.co.uk>; from gilbertt@linuxbrit.co.uk on Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:13:26PM +0100 References: <20020902180417.GI24583@zork.net> <20020902181325.GB20085@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020902111628.D8907@shaitan.lightconsulting.com> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 07:13:26PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > > Pirate in a bar > > Steering wheel out of his crotch > > "It's drivin' me nuts!" > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > [IMG] [IMG] > > I think I preferred the second haiku. "Image" is only two syllables. -- - Jason Be braver -- you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. From magnus at bodin.org Mon Sep 2 11:34:15 2002 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020902183415.GA4470@bodin.org> On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 10:16:55PM +0200, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > We need to do something. I couldn't come up with something so I celebrated Mailman day by donating 2^4% of my tax-return to EFF. I hope you all are supporting members. /magnus -- http://x42.com/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Sep 2 11:40:41 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [sf-caco] Pirate at BM with an unusual costuming accessory... In-Reply-To: <20020902111628.D8907@shaitan.lightconsulting.com> References: <20020902180417.GI24583@zork.net> <20020902181325.GB20085@offended.co.uk> <20020902111628.D8907@shaitan.lightconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20020902184041.GA11822@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jason Spence quotation: > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > [IMG] [IMG] > > > "Image" is only two syllables. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT FOLLOWS NEXT two bracketted tags HTH. HAND. GTFOML. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj1zsKgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2n1QCgy3vk5ugkBqJY5dwfkZZ+ZGH8 av8AnjypgJaybbp79gaXzt1x/ymBPEes =JDEl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Sep 3 00:04:04 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sethspace In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:05:10 PDT." <20020831200510.GS6067@zork.net> References: <20020830205308.GA14118@zgp.org> <20020831200510.GS6067@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209030704.g83744IP030015@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:05:10 PDT, Seth David Schoen said: > Don Marti writes: > > > Who's in the Seth Set? > > http://labs.google.com/sets?hl=en&q1=seth+david+schoen > > Remember that, in ancient Egypt, Seth was actually called Set. Sort of. Hmm.. My hieroglyphics are a bit rusty - is that "He Who Should Not Be Named", or "He Who Should Not Be Invited To Lunch"? From sneakums at zork.net Tue Sep 3 07:58:24 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sethspace In-Reply-To: <200209030704.g83744IP030015@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Tue, 03 Sep 2002 03:04:04 -0400") References: <20020830205308.GA14118@zgp.org> <20020831200510.GS6067@zork.net> <200209030704.g83744IP030015@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <6un0qzce7j.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:05:10 PDT, Seth David Schoen said: >> Remember that, in ancient Egypt, Seth was actually called Set. >> Sort of. > > Hmm.. My hieroglyphics are a bit rusty - is that "He Who Should Not > Be Named", or "He Who Should Not Be Invited To Lunch"? Oh, your hieroglyphics. I don't see how they could be so fucking rusty, what with you being a member of the Hieroglyph Book Of the Fucking Month Club and a charter member of the American Hieroglyphic Society and all. Fucker. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 3 08:45:04 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020903154503.GB24583@zork.net> Fucking anonymous nobodies. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- rtilder@pobox.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 3 16:36:33 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020903233633.GQ24583@zork.net> We don't need any more. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- paul_vortex@ntlworld.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 3 17:33:08 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020904003308.GR24583@zork.net> Yahoo schmahoo ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- halfspin8@yahoo.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From modus at as220.org Tue Sep 3 19:47:17 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020904003308.GR24583@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 05:33:08PM -0700 References: <20020904003308.GR24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020903224717.A12451@as220.org> Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > Yahoo schmahoo > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > halfspin8@yahoo.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- I'm guessing that yahooligans can't post to the list. Heck, I couldn't even post using Pine, which is more or less free software -- less free than Mutt, but more free than many MUAs. ps ax | grep mutt | more ps ax | grep pine | less -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 3 18:32:31 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020903224717.A12451@as220.org> References: <20020904003308.GR24583@zork.net> <20020903224717.A12451@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020904013231.GS24583@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > Heck, I couldn't even post using Pine, which is more or less free > software -- less free than Mutt, but more free than many MUAs. It's "free enough" in the same way that dying of AIDS would be "alive enough". -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From mvw at wave.co.nz Wed Sep 4 02:02:23 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902125142.GB10463@eiv.com> References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020902125142.GB10463@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020904090223.GA729@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Mon, Sep 02, 2002 at 08:51:43AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Shawn Neakums quotation: > > You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything. Talking without speaking. > But, in the future, will he be able to effectively maintain his > intellectual property rights for his gibberish despite the predations of > eee-vill hacker pirate terrorists? The intellectual property rights for the sound of silence are pretty much sewn up now. Mark. From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 4 12:18:52 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020904090223.GA729@mvw.wave.co.nz>; from mvw@wave.co.nz on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 09:02:23PM +1200 References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020902125142.GB10463@eiv.com> <20020904090223.GA729@mvw.wave.co.nz> Message-ID: <20020904151852.A25609@as220.org> Mark van Walraven looked into the void, and said: > The intellectual property rights for the sound of silence are pretty > much sewn up now. "Mike Batt v. the estate of John Cage" -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/entertainment/music/2133426.stm He's lucky that Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel didn't sue his ass too. -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 4 11:09:55 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] Message-ID: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> Wow, he hit all of the troll points! He did the "but I run the Linux elsewhere!" bit, the "I H8 M$ 2 d00d!!!", and the "computers are just tools" routine! I'm pretty sure that if I gave this more than a cursory glance, I'd probably find more gems. Oh look! There's the "but flash is FREE ENOUGH!" one! ha ha ha! So great! This is by far one of the most entertaining "I understand how the list works, but I'm upset that you didn't let *my* windows mail through" posts I've yet received. What's funny is that it was all about his "so cool a flash enjoy it" spam. IS MY FIRST VERY EXCITE GAME YOU ARE FIRST PLAYER ----- Forwarded message from Paul_Vortex ----- Envelope-to: nick@zork.net From: "Paul_Vortex" To: "Nick Moffitt" Subject: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:32:56 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=4.0 tests=FROM_NAME_NO_SPACES,FOR_FREE version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: * "Nick Moffitt" wrote... > You were trying to post with a windows mailer. An obvious troll. I wouldn't quite go that far. Having read your FAQ (and yes, I made it through The Whole Damned Thing) I can understand your stance where posts from a microsoft user are concerned... But It's not as if I *like* this state of affairs. I really HATE myself!!! Do you *know* what it feels like to wake up every day and go to your machine to check your access logs *Knowing* that while you are making a small step in the right direction (running a server from home) your actions are still perpetuating the Monopolic Stranglehold Exerted by Microcunt!? The fact that I am currently stuck in the Quagmire of Microsoft doesn't mean that I LIKE it! It also doesn't mean that I am not trying to make ammends! I dumped Windows 98 for 2000 in a search for greater security... a couple of months ago, I *trashed* my Harddrive trying to install Linux and STILL I want to try again... I *will* run Linux on my machine... and I *will* run a server on it... My intentions *are* good. Look over there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------> Cause *that* is where the Beef is! I'm heading in the Right Direction, Sir. In fact, as we speak, I am scoping out Distros to find one that will suit for a reattempt at The Big Switch-Fu! > Posting a link to a flash animation that can't be viewed without > proprietary software is further trolling. Nice try, but I spotted it. I didn't mean it as an attack Nick. Flash is simply a tool for me... There are no Open Source alternatives that can perform the functions I require. Point me to an Opensource alternative with a similar compatibility with peoples browsers and I will *happily utilise* it. Most Users can view Flash, meaning most people can view my site... Which is good because it is basically a showcase of my work (which I generally send out to possible employers) If I used some *other* tool they probably wouldn't be able to view the site at all. The Flash Player may well be *owned* by Macromedia... but they at least give it out for free. It's not like it can be *used* for anything *except* playing Flash stuff. As a viewer of a Flash Site you are *not* the one paying Macromedia money. I am using a Cracked version of their software, so even *I* am not paying them money! Anyway, I just wanted to put over to you, that I *am* going to be using Linux on my system in the near future. -PV. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Sep 4 11:36:31 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020904183631.GA8166@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin quotation: > paying Macromedia money. I am using a Cracked version of their software, so > even *I* am not paying them money! I also like the "admitting to felony copyright violation in email" bit. If only he'd signed it. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj12Uq8ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1jGQCeP/lINhwWVJnyCLDcz+1PSHbp eEAAoNWmQz49JO6uWHiv3Son7RrH2Uoc =lZ8s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Sep 4 11:40:47 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020904183631.GA8166@eiv.com> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020904183631.GA8166@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020904184047.GZ3477@perkypants.org> > begin quotation: > > > paying Macromedia money. I am using a Cracked version of their software, so > > even *I* am not paying them money! > > I also like the "admitting to felony copyright violation in email" bit. > If only he'd signed it. Would you tell your Mum on him? - Jeff -- Is Murphy's Law constitutional? From zen at zork.net Wed Sep 4 11:44:30 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020904151852.A25609@as220.org> References: <6u8z2mgcfa.fsf@zork.zork.net> <3D728916.4070705@barrera.org> <20020901215809.A15812@as220.org> <20020902021159.GL5033@lug.org.uk> <20020902002137.B16493@as220.org> <6uelccg6vv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020902125142.GB10463@eiv.com> <20020904090223.GA729@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020904151852.A25609@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020904184430.GA7511@zork.net> begin Matt Obert uuencoded stream: > Mark van Walraven looked into the void, and said: > > > The intellectual property rights for the sound of silence are pretty > > much sewn up now. > > "Mike Batt v. the estate of John Cage" -- > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/entertainment/music/2133426.stm Sorry, that joke's only funny when emad does it. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From zen at zork.net Wed Sep 4 11:56:40 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020904185639.GA11578@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt uuencoded stream: > IS MY FIRST VERY EXCITE GAME YOU ARE FIRST PLAYER > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul_Vortex ----- > > Look over > there ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----------> > > Cause *that* is where the Beef is! > > ----- End forwarded message ----- Shit, where? I got lost following your stupid arrow. Next time try not to get your AOL window in front of your kmail window. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Sep 4 12:36:14 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ANNOUNCEMENT: Thursday Night Is Pigdog Night At Zeitgeist Message-ID: <87d6rt5yz5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> This Thursday Night! For One Night Only! By which I mean, FOR ONE NIGHT ONLY! It's the one, the only, often imitated never duplicated, carefully penetrated, coptically orchestrated, PIGDOG EVENT OF THE YEAR!! A throwback to the days of NEW JACK PIGDOG, when men were wen, Murdock was missing, and we all drank obscure microbrew beer! It's coming to a town near you, unless you're far away, in which case it's never coming near you again! Over the teeth and through the gums, watch out Pigdog here it comes, it's: ]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[ * T * H * U * R * S * D * A * Y * * N * I * G * H * T * * I * S * **************************************** * _____ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _____ * * |_ _| \ | (_) _ \| \ | | __ _|__ / * -RoR- * | | | \| | | |_) | \| |/ _` | / / * -Alucard- * | | | |\ | | __/| |\ | (_| |/ /_ * * |_| |_| \_|_|_| |_| \_|\__,_/____| * * * **************************************** * P * I * G * D * O * G * * N * I * G * H * T * * A * T * * Z * E * I * T * G * E * I * S * T * ]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[--]-+-[ Not for the faint of heart or those with serious health conditions! Except Ratsnatcher! Because we will have Stormbringer with us and he can slay some krakens or something to rebuild his evil strength! Featuring: * The Post-Burning-Man gloating, griping, planning, and mutual appreciation klatch! * The talented and completely crazy Sylvia Maxwell! See how crazy she really is! Hint: really fucking crazy! But totally fun and nice. But also crazy. * The mysterious and globe-trotting MISTER BAD! In town to remind himself why the hell he's gone away so far! * Chachi's beard! * Banjo Girl, a trimmed down section of the Spocky Mountain Boys, and other GUEST APPEARANCES too numerous to mention! * Tjames Madison! Say no more! The time is now! THIS is the moment in which we can DO! Come to Zeitgeist to get your SPOCK on! 14:29 and feeling oh-so-fine, bring your ears and we'll play Convoy on the jukebox! Don't put off this opportunity! There may NEVER be a TNiPNaZ like this again! It's like the LAST WALTZ except NO NEIL DIAMOND! The end of an era long after the era is over, and the beginning of a thousand-year reich without any Hitler or Bob Crane! Do the right thing! Except the totally opposite! Come to Zeitgeist! Fully endorsed by Mr. Bad, Mr. Tickles, Mr. Biggles and CAPTAIN WINNER! Offer void where prohibited by law, open where it bleeds, comparable to the death of Einstein, daring as Errol Flynn. If you skip this event, don't bother talking to me again. LOSER. Catch you on the right side, the ZEITSIDE, the Guinness-flavored LIGHT SIDE, this is Mr. Bad, over and out, there is a zombie behind you right now. ~Mr. Bad P.S. Seriously. Zombie. P.P.S. Forward this message LIBERALLY, by which I mean SLUTFULLY. Like a Hell's Angel gangbang all over this invitation! Ropey strands of cum flying across the room! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jv at zork.net Wed Sep 4 14:04:50 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: By-bye beef, hello players [zen@zork.net: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected]] Message-ID: <20020904210450.GC28099@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from George Moffitt ----- begin Nick Moffitt excerpted ((quoting corrupted soul begging with pride)): > IS MY FIRST VERY EXCITE GAME YOU ARE FIRST PLAYER I'm only nine... you teach me; I make Good Time for you. -jv... I could be quite naive p.s... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ((Shawn McMahon excerpts More from Paul)): [...] > paying Macromedia money. I am using a Cracked version of their > software, so even *I* am not paying them money! I also like the "admitting to felony copyright violation in email" bit. If only he'd signed it. [...] Steal this Slave... Information Wants to Be Free. ((Voice from Canadia)): "OTTAWA, September 4, 2002 - The Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs today released its final report on cannabis. In an exhaustive and comprehensive two-year study of public policy related to marijuana, the Special Committee found that the drug should be legalized..." Arrangement of data. Proprietary magic. Pay-Per-View Head-Games. Slavery Bad; Company-Town Good. Sonyville Institute of Advanced Humanistics. Sony Vocational Institute. Sony Harvard. So easy. ?Who's gonna' stop transhuman genetics on the far side of the moon. Visualise Sony Eros, Company Asteroid. Seasonal work near Terra, and out in The Belt. ((Voice from Past)): "No Draft for Viet Nam. Berkeley Students for a Democratic Society will underground your butt to Canadia: {510.845.2470}..." Beloved Land shifts beneath me; crying "!crowded theatre", while not quite yet a convictible offense, comes more often an arrest-able essay. This Assembly Gathers in Perilous Times. May you live in interesting times, and come to the attention of important people. From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 4 15:43:10 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Classic Vortex Message-ID: <20020904224310.GC24583@zork.net> Here's some classic Paul Vortex, for those of you who don't recognize this pigdog footstool trying to make it in a man's world. ----- Forwarded message from Paul Vortex ----- From: "Paul Vortex" To: "Bad People of the Future!" Subject: [pigdog] Search Engine Submissions... Reply-To: pigdog@pighaven.org X-URL: Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:14:13 +0100 What do you guys think about this offer?... http://www.college-scholarships.com/free_search_engine_submission.htm I have added their icons to my site... http://www.angelfire.com/film/paul_vortex/Animation/Showreel.html But I won't contact them until someone gives me an idea of whether it is legit' or is a SKAM... Any idears? -PV. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Sep 4 16:01:41 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020902183415.GA4470@bodin.org> References: <20020902183415.GA4470@bodin.org> Message-ID: <20020904230141.GU6251@zork.net> Magnus Bodin writes: > On Sat, Aug 31, 2002 at 10:16:55PM +0200, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > > We need to do something. > > I couldn't come up with something so I celebrated Mailman day > by donating 2^4% of my tax-return to EFF. Thanks! -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Sep 4 16:24:16 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected]] Message-ID: <20020904232416.GA9739@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Oh, it looks like you mistakenly sent this in private mail. Clearly this was the result of a bug in your mailer. Here, I'll forward it to the list for you, free of charge. No, really, don't mention it, it's no trouble at all. - ----- Forwarded message from Paul_Vortex ----- From: "Paul_Vortex" To: "Shawn McMahon" Subject: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:45:59 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 "Shawn McMahon" wrote... > I also like the "admitting to felony copyright violation in email" bit. > If only he'd signed it. It's a damned pricey Piece of Kit. For a guy fresh out of College looking to choose some suitable software there ain't much else to do. These companies know this happens... It brings them more sales in the long run. Some Crazy Freak playing with their software in his spare room isn't going to break their bank. Particularly if it is a guy who may well be running his own Kickass Animation Company in the Near Future... It is an investment on their money grubbing part. - -PV. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj12liAACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3AbgCgm0GcA1Aw+1MjxwZ5E4Qgd/XL l8YAnAzzDQE0ZU3/I9L8EawEn2m19bMF =houT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 4 17:04:53 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha FAKE Message-ID: <20020905000453.GD24583@zork.net> That is SO NOT FRANK ----- Forwarded message from Jarvis McIntyre ----- Now it's official: http://www.campalicious.com/2002/photos/dav/dcp03678.jpg ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 4 17:09:02 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hooray for Mattel! Message-ID: <20020905000902.GE24583@zork.net> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/imaginarium/B00005NEBW/103-8529748-6665439 This must be pennance for Barbie. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From jesux at unix.tm Wed Sep 4 19:45:44 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 11:09:55AM -0700 References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 11:09:55AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Wow, he hit all of the troll points! What would it take to modify spamassassin to detect trolls? I haven't looked at the source or read the documentation, but it's apparently written in Perl, which is Turing complete. Anyway, the first thing we'd need is funding. I suggest we set up an IRC network called freelode.net, then abuse the global broadcast system to elicit donations via pay pal. - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 4 20:31:16 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:45:44 +1000." <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:45:44 +1000, James Moffitt said: > What would it take to modify spamassassin to detect trolls? I haven't > looked at the source or read the documentation, but it's apparently > written in Perl, which is Turing complete. I think you got the Turing Test totally bass-ackwards. On the other hand, writing a program to distinguish between twits and trolls is probably easier.... From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Wed Sep 4 21:44:09 2002 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hooray for Mattel! In-Reply-To: <20020905000902.GE24583@zork.net> References: <20020905000902.GE24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <1031201049.11520.13.camel@protein> On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 10:09, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/imaginarium/B00005NEBW/103-8529748-6665439 > > > This must be pennance for Barbie. > haha the customer reviews -- .sig free day, et le roi a disparu ! From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 4 22:48:15 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:45:44 +1000, James Moffitt > said: > > What would it take to modify spamassassin to detect trolls? I > > haven't looked at the source or read the documentation, but it's > > apparently written in Perl, which is Turing complete. > > I think you got the Turing Test totally bass-ackwards. On the other > hand, writing a program to distinguish between twits and trolls is > probably easier.... *bzert*, but thank you for playing. Go look up "Turing complete" and write a six-page paper. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 4 22:48:31 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hooray for Mattel! In-Reply-To: <1031201049.11520.13.camel@protein> References: <20020905000902.GE24583@zork.net> <1031201049.11520.13.camel@protein> Message-ID: <20020905054831.GH24583@zork.net> begin Edward C. Lang quotation: > haha the customer reviews ME TOO -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Wed Sep 4 21:28:43 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <20020905042843.GA1127@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:45:44PM +1000, James Moffitt wrote: > On Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 11:09:55AM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Wow, he hit all of the troll points! > > What would it take to modify spamassassin to detect trolls? I haven't > looked at the source or read the documentation, but it's apparently > written in Perl, which is Turing complete. > > Anyway, the first thing we'd need is funding. I suggest we set > up an IRC network called freelode.net, then abuse the global broadcast > system to elicit donations via pay pal. OMG YOU MUST BE TEH FIRST PERSON TO MAKE THAT PUN FREELODE HAHAHAHAHA love, erik -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From sneakums at zork.net Thu Sep 5 00:43:53 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Hooray for Mattel! In-Reply-To: <20020905054831.GH24583@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Wed, 4 Sep 2002 22:48:31 -0700") References: <20020905000902.GE24583@zork.net> <1031201049.11520.13.camel@protein> <20020905054831.GH24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uu1l4c24m.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > begin Edward C. Lang quotation: >> haha the customer reviews > > ME TOO OMFG WE'RE ALL LAUGHING AT THE SAME THING THE TRUE MARK OF HILARIUSNESS -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Sep 5 01:55:39 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:48:15 PDT." <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:48:15 PDT, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > *bzert*, but thank you for playing. Go look up "Turing > complete" and write a six-page paper. Turing completness, Turing equivalence, and the Halting Problem were described in: A.M. Turing "On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entschiedungsproblem" Proc. of the London Math. Soc., Ser 2, Vol. 42, pp. 230-265, 1936-37. This was essentially just the hardware design for a minimalist interpreter for the language described in: Godel, Kurt "Uber Formal Unentschiedbare Satze der Principia Mathematica und Verwandeter Systeme, I." Monatshefte fur Mathematik und Physik, 38 (1931) pp. 173-198. The Turing Test is something else, first proposed in the paper: A.M. Turing "Computing Machinery and Intelligence", Mind, Vol. LIX, No 236 (1950). I suggest you read the cited paper, and write a short essay comparing and contrasting Turing's use of a human to distinguish between a human and a program, and the proposed use of a Perl program to distinguish between two humans. As an aside, the fact that humans can believe in self-contradictory systems like the Easter Bunny or supply-side economics indicates that they are not self-consistent in the Godelian sense. From there, it's a very short jump from Godel's "undecidable proposition" to showing that it can't be modeled with a Turing-equivalent machine - which basically means that a Perl program can't implement an algorithm for detecting trolls, the best it can do is a heuristic. This is, of course, due to the difference between a deterministic and non-deterministic finite state automaton.... Writing out 6 pages of ascii-art math for the above paragraph is left as an excercise for the masochist... From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Sep 5 04:55:22 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <20020905115522.GB12274@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin James Moffitt quotation: > > Anyway, the first thing we'd need is funding. I suggest we set > up an IRC network called freelode.net, then abuse the global broadcast > system to elicit donations via pay pal. I suggest the project name be "gruff". - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj13RioACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt01vACfdkDVQc5eC4Jm+6mbej2aq2Ef tfAAnRxkxX1U2Ohc+k7Ev5bCcQmpPQDI =0cDb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Sep 5 07:31:58 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected]] In-Reply-To: <20020904232416.GA9739@eiv.com> References: <20020904232416.GA9739@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020905143158.GC7279@zgp.org> begin Shawn McMahon quotation of Wed, Sep 04, 2002 at 07:24:16PM -0400: > Oh, it looks like you mistakenly sent this in private mail. Clearly > this was the result of a bug in your mailer. Here, I'll forward it to > the list for you, free of charge. No, really, don't mention it, it's no > trouble at all. Fuck off, troll. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 5 07:56:19 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <003101c254c2$da0f0040$71630450@vortex42cncixh> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <003101c254c2$da0f0040$71630450@vortex42cncixh> Message-ID: <20020905145619.GK24583@zork.net> begin Paul_Vortex quotation: > "Nick Moffitt" > > Wow, he hit all of the troll points! He did the "but I run the > > Linux elsewhere!" bit, > > I don't run Linux elsewhere... I have tried it on my machine and > fucked my harddisk up in the process... I *plan* to try it again in > the next while. Have you considered that maybe you just shouldn't be using computers? Go out and splurge on some watercolors or a nice fountain pen. I'm sure it won't be nearly as expensive as your precious hard drives. Hell, you could probably afford to buy a pocket calculator in the bundle! > > the "I H8 M$ 2 d00d!!!", and the "computers are just tools" > > routine! > > I never said computers were tools... I said that Flash is a tool... > which it is. No, Mr. Vortex, *you* are a tool. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Sep 5 08:56:54 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Won't somebody PLEASE think of Solaris? Message-ID: <20020905155654.GB9697@zgp.org> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=5244 "The advert challenges McNealy to meet face to face with the Save Solaris Organization and the technical press in a public forum." -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From jv at zork.net Thu Sep 5 12:36:58 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] DEA SCruz WAMM Message-ID: <20020905193658.GC19374@zork.net> On Thursday, 2002 September 5, federal agents raided the WAMM medical cannabis dispensary in Santa Cruz, arresting Santa Valorie. We ask all medical cannabis supporters to rally civil opposition to this raid, Noon on Friday, September 6th, at their nearest federal offices. - ccap ander alert From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Thu Sep 5 13:11:52 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020905042843.GA1127@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020905042843.GA1127@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <20020905201152.GA25280@columbus.rr.com> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:28:43AM -0400, Erik Bourget wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:45:44PM +1000, James Moffitt wrote: > > I suggest we set up an IRC network called freelode.net, then abuse > > the global broadcast system to elicit donations via pay pal. > OMG YOU MUST BE TEH FIRST PERSON TO MAKE THAT PUN FREELODE HAHAHAHAHA $ whois freelode [whois.internic.net] ... No match for "FREELODE". Well, don't stand there staring-- go and register it already! -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 5 14:49:16 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020905201152.GA25280@columbus.rr.com> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020905042843.GA1127@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> <20020905201152.GA25280@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020905214916.GB18560@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 04:11:52PM -0400, mwmiller@columbus.rr.com wrote: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:28:43AM -0400, Erik Bourget wrote: > > OMG YOU MUST BE TEH FIRST PERSON TO MAKE THAT PUN FREELODE HAHAHAHAHA > > $ whois freelode > [whois.internic.net] > ... > No match for "FREELODE". > > Well, don't stand there staring-- go and register it already! Money and fame are inevitable! From carlos at laviola.org Thu Sep 5 18:53:30 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] DEA SCruz WAMM In-Reply-To: <20020905193658.GC19374@zork.net> References: <20020905193658.GC19374@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020906015330.GA6006@laviola.org> On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:36:58PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: > We ask all medical cannabis supporters to rally civil opposition to this > raid, Noon on Friday, September 6th, at their nearest federal offices. What is the difference between medical cannabis and pothead cannabis? -- Carlos Laviola From sneakums at zork.net Fri Sep 6 00:32:17 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] DEA SCruz WAMM In-Reply-To: <20020906015330.GA6006@laviola.org> (Carlos Laviola's message of "Thu, 5 Sep 2002 22:53:30 -0300") References: <20020905193658.GC19374@zork.net> <20020906015330.GA6006@laviola.org> Message-ID: <6uit1jbmke.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Carlos Laviola quotation: > On Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 12:36:58PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: >> We ask all medical cannabis supporters to rally civil opposition to >> this raid, Noon on Friday, September 6th, at their nearest federal >> offices. > > What is the difference between medical cannabis and pothead > cannabis? The repective uses to which they are put. Just like opiates. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Sep 6 04:22:51 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020903224717.A12451@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:47:17 -0400") References: <20020904003308.GR24583@zork.net> <20020903224717.A12451@as220.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "mo" == Matt Obert writes: mo> Heck, mo> ps ax | grep mutt | more mo> ps ax | grep pine | less _HECK_? You should save us both the bother and get your dorkus ass the HELL out of here. This will not go well for you, neighbor. -- the military denies responsibility for Tang. ``We're always given credit for that,'' says Jerry Darsch, director of Natick's food lab. ``But General Foods invented it.'' From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Sep 6 04:38:51 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:55:39 -0400") References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> "vk" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: vk> Godel's "undecidable proposition" ITYM G?bbels. vk> This is, of course, due to the difference between a vk> deterministic and non-deterministic finite state automaton.... Clearly. Oh, BTW your fly is down. -- It could turn into an online civil war! Office Space meets Dune! All IT professionals must bear the mark of Imperial Conditioning - an MCSE. -- Anne Marie From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Sep 6 06:23:56 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] DEA SCruz WAMM In-Reply-To: <20020906015330.GA6006@laviola.org> References: <20020905193658.GC19374@zork.net> <20020906015330.GA6006@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020906132356.GD6578@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > > What is the difference between medical cannabis and pothead cannabis? Whether or not the user has medical insurance. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj14rGwACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt25aACdEqn3IcWz8WTaruw8rJW5Z5rz 1L8AoN61J2EOyEwd2tweU6HrbzXqiJpp =aitB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsaklad at gnu.org Fri Sep 6 06:46:32 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] emacs rmail. How to filter for favorite correspondents among hundreds of spam commercial messages. Message-ID: Regarding another facet of filtering, for emacs rmail, how do you filter for your favorite correspondents among the hundreds of spam commercials if you don't know programming, don't know procmail, don't know how to interpret all the jargon in the explanatory links for http://www.camram.org or http://spamassassin.taint.org or http://www.spambouncer.org and you're dyslexic or somewhat like people with dyslexia?... Let's say you can't rely on system people to set things up for you, what can you do on your own?... The aim should be that the medium be ever more transparent and have an ever easier learning curve. From simm at zork.net Fri Sep 6 07:01:54 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] emacs rmail. How to filter for favorite correspondents among hundreds of spam commercial messages. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020906140154.GA30222@zork.net> begin Don Saklad quotation: > Regarding another facet of filtering, for emacs rmail, how do you > filter for your favorite correspondents among the hundreds of spam > commercials if you don't know programming, don't know procmail, don't > know how to interpret all the jargon in the explanatory links for Have someone do it for you. Grab someone elses configuration. I hardly ever chew my food nowadays. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Sep 6 07:13:23 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] emacs rmail. How to filter for favorite correspondents among hundreds of spam commercial messages. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020906141323.GJ6578@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Saklad quotation: > Regarding another facet of filtering, for emacs rmail, how do you > filter for your favorite correspondents among the hundreds of spam > commercials if you don't know programming, don't know procmail, don't > know how to interpret all the jargon in the explanatory links for You learn procmail, learn to live with the spam, or GTFOMI. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj14uAMACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1LKACcD3Zg9qj8BETZkHu3xgedbOiL kmsAnjSyAmgrvK8XFPGN79nfVLbYkNKm =ax2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zen at zork.net Fri Sep 6 08:53:28 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] emacs rmail. How to filter for favorite correspondents among hundreds of spam commercial messages. In-Reply-To: <20020906141323.GJ6578@eiv.com> References: <20020906141323.GJ6578@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020906155328.GA24493@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon uuencoded stream: > You learn procmail, learn to live with the spam, or GTFOMI. Good job, buddy! You hit all the points! I especially liked your clever adaptation of the now-tired "GTFOML". You're in the club now! You passed! PLEASE stop trying to be our friend now, okay? -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 6 15:49:28 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [owen@ditherati.net: D I T H E R A T I for 6 September 2002] Message-ID: <20020906224927.GX24583@zork.net> Beaujolais! ----- Forwarded message from owen@ditherati.net ----- CUSSWORTHY COMPUTING "We really haven't done everything we could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." Microsoft executive Brian Valentine, on the painful realization that a $100 million, two-month-long codeathon still hasn't fixed the glaring holes in its software, InfoWorld, 5 September 2002 http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/09/05/020905hnmssecure.xml "People confuse 'security' and Trustworthy Computing." Valentine colleague Craig Mundie, warning people more than six months ago that despite Bill Gates' big talk, Microsoft's latest initiative wasn't actually going to accomplish anything, Microsoft.com, 20 February 2002 http://www.microsoft.com/PressPass/features/2002/feb02/02-20mundieqa.asp ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 7 23:28:59 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ride-sharing Message-ID: <20020908062859.GF5259@zork.net> Okay, so it's YET ANOTHER PARABLE, but this one is particularly well-done: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2002/08/ride_sharing.html Thanks to seth for running "lynx new.html" so that I could read previews of his diary. Stop reading my diary you creeps! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 7 23:33:01 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020908063301.GG5259@zork.net> And as you all know, "waz" is Ukrainian for masturbation. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- waz@easynet.co.uk has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From dsaklad at gnu.org Sun Sep 8 13:18:51 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. Message-ID: a. How would novice beginners, intermediate users or casual unix users set up gnus email if you don't know programming, don't know all the jargon in the explanatory web links and your're dyslexic or somewhat like people with dyslexia?... b. Let's say you haven't the system people available to set it up, what can you do on your own?... c. The aim should be that this communications medium be ever more transparent and have an ever easier learning curve for all including novice beginners and intermediate users. d. How do you know what back end choice is best or appropriate where you are using gnus for usenet?... e. Would there be any kind of a quick start method for setting up gnus email that works for many novices?... From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 8 13:30:24 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020908203024.GA14326@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Saklad quotation: > > c. The aim should be that this communications medium be ever more > transparent and have an ever easier learning curve for all > including novice beginners and intermediate users. Why should that be the aim? Or, more specifically, why should that be everybody's aim? Why can't it just be your aim, and let other people aim where they like? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj17s2AACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt32qgCeKVM3g3GZDtqP1ZEUQbk7LmnN 8ZQAoN+ZzNfFG8E/0C0Kw2Gzyyeb0q1x =e6D4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneakums at zork.net Sun Sep 8 13:35:59 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: (Don Saklad's message of "Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:18:51 -0400") References: Message-ID: <6ud6rorzgw.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Don Saklad quotation: > a. How would novice beginners, intermediate users or casual unix users > set up gnus email if you don't know programming, don't know all the > jargon in the explanatory web links and your're dyslexic or > somewhat like people with dyslexia?... You may find useful documentation at http://my.gnus.org/. I am not familiar with dyslexia and so cannot evaluate the materials' suitablity in that regard. > b. Let's say you haven't the system people available to set it up, > what can you do on your own?... Given only a working Emacs installation, you can install and use Gnus with no assistance from your syadmin. Do note that GNU Emacs 21 ships with Gnus 5.9.0, so you may already have it installed. > c. The aim should be that this communications medium be ever more > transparent and have an ever easier learning curve for all > including novice beginners and intermediate users. > > d. How do you know what back end choice is best or appropriate where > you are using gnus for usenet?... For Usenet, you will almost always be using the nntp back-end. The only exception is if the machine you use has its own news feed and you have read access to it; you can then use nnspool, which may be faster. If in doubt, use nntp. (Note: LeafNode does not count as "a news feed" for the purposes of deciding whether to use nntp or nnpsool; you *must* use nntp with LeafNode.) > e. Would there be any kind of a quick start method for setting up gnus > email that works for many novices?... I can't think of one offhand. I usally bring my configuration files from machine to machine, and so I haven't done a from-scratch setup in some time. You may find it helpful to post to gnu.emacs.gnus on Usenet; the folks there may have pointers to useful documents. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From dsaklad at gnu.org Sun Sep 8 13:45:36 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. Message-ID: Thank you Sean Neakums! What's leafnode?... From sneakums at zork.net Sun Sep 8 13:58:04 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: (Don Saklad's message of "Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:45:36 -0400") References: Message-ID: <6u4rd0ryg3.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Don Saklad quotation: > Thank you Sean Neakums! > > What's leafnode?... Leafnode is a special type of news server that acts as a proxy for another news server. Typically it'll be running on a machine that is closer, network-wise, so that response times will be lower than with the server that is is proxying. A companion program, fetchnews, fetches new messages for subscribed groups only, and sends posted messages, at set intervals. Leafnode &c. are mostly of use when the real news server is far away or otherwise inconvenient to use directly, or if the machine running leafnode has only intermittent network connectivity. Leafnode's home page is here: http://www.leafnode.org/ -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun Sep 8 13:57:06 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:45:36 EDT." References: Message-ID: <200209082057.g88Kv6TZ007574@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:45:36 EDT, Don Saklad said: > What's leafnode?... It's a typo. It should be leaf-nad - consult your local fig tree or classical art book for details. From dsaklad at gnu.org Sun Sep 8 14:04:46 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. Message-ID: Thank you Sean Neakums! Regrettably what looks like a succinct explanation is complicated because of the jargon that people have got to know in advance! What's needed is a 1,2,3 step method that doesn't require getting immersed in the jargon that can be learned after getting started if you're interested in that level understanding the system. From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 8 14:32:30 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020908213230.GA14506@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Saklad quotation: > > Regrettably what looks like a succinct explanation is complicated > because of the jargon that people have got to know in advance! What's s/jargon/knowledge/ > needed is a 1,2,3 step method that doesn't require getting immersed in > the jargon that can be learned after getting started if you're > interested in that level understanding the system. We have that already; Windows. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj17we0ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt37HQCgz/F7/cN/ljPoEwpoJLIAQuoX 5BQAoKL27beoAAqQCdNfblFaLYGNGiqp =goAG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dsaklad at gnu.org Sun Sep 8 15:02:26 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: <6uvg5gqh7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> (message from Sean Neakums on Sun, 08 Sep 2002 22:55:52 +0100) References: <6uvg5gqh7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: Thank you! It's a puzzle even with excellent information you've provided! From kra at monkey.org Sun Sep 8 15:58:23 2002 From: kra at monkey.org (Karl Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: Don Saklad's message of "Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:18:51 -0400" References: Message-ID: Don Saklad writes: > a. How would novice beginners, intermediate users or casual unix users > set up gnus email if you don't know programming, don't know all the > jargon in the explanatory web links and your're dyslexic or > somewhat like people with dyslexia?... They wouldn't, at this time. Unless the customize package works, but every time I've tried to use it I end up more confused and have to figure out how to undo those changes. I have some dyslexia symptoms, and I think it's irrelevent to your question. > c. The aim should be that this communications medium be ever more > transparent and have an ever easier learning curve for all > including novice beginners and intermediate users. It's a worthwhile aim, but you don't seem to be furthering it yet - you're going to have to learn some details of emacs, gnus, and elisp before you can make an interface that lets the novice beginners not have to learn it. > d. How do you know what back end choice is best or appropriate where > you are using gnus for usenet?... I used the manuals, gnu.emacs.gnus, searches for example .emacs files, and trial and error. > e. Would there be any kind of a quick start method for setting up gnus > email that works for many novices?... I think that this would just delay the pain. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ From pgl at yoyo.org Sun Sep 8 15:58:02 2002 From: pgl at yoyo.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: <6ud6rorzgw.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6ud6rorzgw.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020908225802.GA20235@yoyo.org> On Sep 08, Sean Neakums wrote: > You may find it helpful to post to gnu.emacs.gnus on Usenet; the folks > there may have pointers to useful documents. OK, own up. Who's been using his machine? -- The Czech Republic: Home of the world's finest beer. Litres drunk by Czechs so far this year: 1,127,978,172.75 - http://prague.tv/toys/beer/ From junasts at subdimension.com Sun Sep 8 22:34:10 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:16:55 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87k7lv9165.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> We need to do something. Crap. I haven't been paying attention. What do we have to do something about and why? ~Mr. Bad -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 8 22:42:32 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <87k7lv9165.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87k7lv9165.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020909054232.GE19355@zork.net> begin Last Judgement Samuel quotation: > ~Mr. Bad > > -- > +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ Holy shit! Last Judgement Samuel is *REALLY MISTER BAD*!!!!&^*%!^$!&%!$&%!$&!%&! Who would have thought? -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From magnus at bodin.org Mon Sep 9 08:38:05 2002 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: How to set up gnus email for novice beginners who don't know programming. In-Reply-To: References: <6uvg5gqh7b.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020909153805.GI23825@bodin.org> On Sun, Sep 08, 2002 at 06:02:26PM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > Thank you! > > It's a puzzle even with excellent information you've provided! Where do I submit an error report for this bot? It clearly does something wrong with the Message-ID-matching. /magnus -- http://x42.com/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 9 15:13:04 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Really In-Reply-To: <20020909054232.GE19355@zork.net> References: <87k7lv9165.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020909054232.GE19355@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020909221304.GA16182@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > begin Last Judgement Samuel quotation: > > ~Mr. Bad > > > > -- > > +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ > > Holy shit! Last Judgement Samuel is *REALLY MISTER > BAD*!!!!&^*%!^$!&%!$&%!$&!%&! Who would have thought? And all this time I thought he was Simm Al-Aekrib. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9fRzujLHcIq3dHxYRAr08AKDqOpPHcjK+zDXu9QCFR2L0Fw0sMgCgqtAr YW1FV491yn4nHK9o/6wwWrE= =Ceir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Sep 9 15:53:16 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu writes: > As an aside, the fact that humans can believe in self-contradictory systems > like the Easter Bunny or supply-side economics indicates that they are > not self-consistent in the Godelian sense. From there, it's a very short > jump from Godel's "undecidable proposition" to showing that it can't be > modeled with a Turing-equivalent machine Wait a minute, inconsistency doesn't show that something can't be modeled with a Turing machine. # verify the truth of statements def true(s): return len(s)%2 This is easily implemented on a Turing machine, but it's not logically consistent. E.g., you can try print true("Pigs can fly.") print true("Pigs can't fly.") -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Sep 9 16:14:43 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ride-sharing In-Reply-To: <20020908062859.GF5259@zork.net> References: <20020908062859.GF5259@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020909231443.GB32610@zork.net> Nick Moffitt writes: > Thanks to seth for running "lynx new.html" so that I could read > previews of his diary. It also inflates the sethometer values. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon Sep 9 16:15:43 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:53:16 PDT." <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:53:16 PDT, Seth David Schoen said: > This is easily implemented on a Turing machine, but it's not logically > consistent. Exactly. That's the point. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 9 16:20:20 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ride-sharing In-Reply-To: <20020909231443.GB32610@zork.net> References: <20020908062859.GF5259@zork.net> <20020909231443.GB32610@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020909232019.GO12573@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Nick Moffitt writes: > > Thanks to seth for running "lynx new.html" so that I could read > > previews of his diary. > > It also inflates the sethometer values. Seth-O-Meter: 5 browser processes, 0 nwall processes. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 9 17:09:21 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:53:16 PDT, Seth David Schoen said: > > > This is easily implemented on a Turing machine, but it's not logically > > consistent. > > Exactly. That's the point. Now who's being inconsistant? - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9fTgwjLHcIq3dHxYRAp69AJ41HZ4xmsfgf5HROIiOx1J1+55lSQCfQE7U RupB7Lb3tOWJ3ENBLX2d3zA= =x65T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam at flounder.net Mon Sep 9 17:19:04 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 07:09:21PM -0500, Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > > On Mon, 09 Sep 2002 15:53:16 PDT, Seth David Schoen said: > > > > > This is easily implemented on a Turing machine, but it's not logically > > > consistent. > > > > Exactly. That's the point. > > Now who's being inconsistant? Now who's being incontinent? -- Adam McKenna | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 9 17:31:00 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > > Now who's being inconsistant? > > Now who's being incontinent? OH, it is to laugh. Your fellow fans sitting next to you in the computer room at the Space: 1999 con must be tittering with laughter at your rapier-like wit. Why, you actually used a long word (four syllables, no less!) meaning that someone shits himself! Context be damned, man, this is HUMOR and WIT. Punchlines need no setup when you've a tongue (or pen) such as this one! Mere apishness is enough when you dream of living on SPACESHIP LUNA! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From adam at flounder.net Mon Sep 9 17:32:41 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:31:00PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Adam McKenna quotation: > > > Now who's being inconsistant? > > > > Now who's being incontinent? > > OH, it is to laugh. Your fellow fans sitting next to you in > the computer room at the Space: 1999 con must be tittering with > laughter at your rapier-like wit. Why, you actually used a long word > (four syllables, no less!) meaning that someone shits himself! > > Context be damned, man, this is HUMOR and WIT. Punchlines > need no setup when you've a tongue (or pen) such as this one! Mere > apishness is enough when you dream of living on SPACESHIP LUNA! TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! -- Adam McKenna | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 9 17:42:43 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> References: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! Thus we see how humor is dead. In its place is silliness, the stupid parroting of one-liners from late-night TV. Boooooooooring -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From adam at flounder.net Mon Sep 9 17:50:11 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> References: <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020910005011.GB25744@flounder.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:42:43PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Adam McKenna quotation: > > TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! > > Thus we see how humor is dead. In its place is silliness, the > stupid parroting of one-liners from late-night TV. Boooooooooring you obviously missed the point. -- Adam McKenna | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 9 18:01:10 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910005011.GB25744@flounder.net> References: <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> <20020910005011.GB25744@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020910010109.GU12573@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > you obviously missed the point. Oh yeah, the "Anything with a monkey in it is bound to make folks laugh here!" point. Go BACK to GRADESCHOOL kid! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Sep 9 18:03:06 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> References: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209092103.06720.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | begin Adam McKenna quotation: | > TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! | | Thus we see how humor is dead. In its place is silliness, the | stupid parroting of one-liners from late-night TV. Boooooooooring no. humor, he not be dead. he be the father on the simpson's. but not so much funny anymore, nosiree. here is funny. message is posted under subject "i killed lilo." reply is: in which case, the police have been looking for you for 23 years: http://gangstersinc.tripod.com/Galante.html also, funny is line from late night television, just last late night. heckler to fat commedian: you're fat. fat commedian: that's because every time i fuck your mother, she makes me sandwiches. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From adam at flounder.net Mon Sep 9 18:07:23 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910010109.GU12573@zork.net> References: <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> <20020910004243.GT12573@zork.net> <20020910005011.GB25744@flounder.net> <20020910010109.GU12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020910010723.GC25744@flounder.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 06:01:10PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Adam McKenna quotation: > > you obviously missed the point. > > Oh yeah, the "Anything with a monkey in it is bound to make > folks laugh here!" point. > > Go BACK to GRADESCHOOL kid! NO, THATS NOT IT. Oh wait, maybe it is. No, definitely not. What's an abschminkey anyways? -- Adam McKenna | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A From carlos at laviola.org Mon Sep 9 19:45:13 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> References: <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020910024513.GA12335@laviola.org> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:32:41PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:31:00PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Context be damned, man, this is HUMOR and WIT. Punchlines > > need no setup when you've a tongue (or pen) such as this one! Mere > > apishness is enough when you dream of living on SPACESHIP LUNA! > > TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! <------- Crackmonkey Pigdog-l -------> THAT WAY, BUDDY. -- Carlos Laviola From adam at flounder.net Mon Sep 9 21:18:29 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910024513.GA12335@laviola.org> References: <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> <200209092315.g89NFh6b023436@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020910000921.GC16182@8ball.wox.org> <20020910001904.GZ25744@flounder.net> <20020910003100.GS12573@zork.net> <20020910003241.GA25744@flounder.net> <20020910024513.GA12335@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020910041829.GF25744@flounder.net> On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 11:45:13PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:32:41PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 09, 2002 at 05:31:00PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > Context be damned, man, this is HUMOR and WIT. Punchlines > > > need no setup when you've a tongue (or pen) such as this one! Mere > > > apishness is enough when you dream of living on SPACESHIP LUNA! > > > > TOUCH MY MONKEY, TOUCH HIM LOVE HIM, LIEBE MEINE ABSCHMINKEY!! > > <------- Crackmonkey Pigdog-l -------> > > THAT WAY, BUDDY. Thanks for the directions, but I'm already subscribed to inet-access. --Adam From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Sep 10 08:55:57 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [paul_vortex@ntlworld.com: Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Mon, 9 Sep 2002 15:53:16 -0700") References: <20020904180955.GX24583@zork.net> <20020905124544.A2320@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <200209050331.g853VGkY003196@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020905054815.GG24583@zork.net> <200209050855.g858tekY008206@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20020909225316.GA32610@zork.net> Message-ID: <87y9a9n8j6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SDS" == Seth David Schoen writes: SDS> # verify the truth of statements def true(s): return len(s)%2 SDS> This is easily implemented on a Turing machine, but it's not SDS> logically consistent. E.g., you can try This is gross Python, Seth. You are so beyond that. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Sep 10 11:39:49 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Request to mailing list CrackMonkey rejected] In-Reply-To: <20020910010109.GU12573@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 9 Sep 2002, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Oh yeah, the "Anything with a monkey in it is bound to make > folks laugh here!" point. Ha ha monkey master. -- "let's make monkey love" -Ben Franklin From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Sep 11 14:41:07 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ris" == Ruben I Safir writes: Ruben is weird and scary. Maybe I'm not one to talk, but, it's true. ris> at 9:46 AM, I re-evaluated every friendship I had, and every ris> relationship I lived with, [...] ris> The Federal Government should just rebuild them, and rebuild ris> them today. [...] Please see the new maillist wtc@mrbrklyn.com -- the military denies responsibility for Tang. ``We're always given credit for that,'' says Jerry Darsch, director of Natick's food lab. ``But General Foods invented it.'' From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Sep 12 07:33:24 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> begin Miles Nordin quotation of Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 05:41:07PM -0400: > Ruben is weird and scary. Maybe I'm not one to talk, but, it's true. Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the memorial area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign that petition. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From simm at zork.net Thu Sep 12 08:18:21 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020912151821.GA3171@zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > begin Miles Nordin quotation of Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 05:41:07PM -0400: > > > Ruben is weird and scary. Maybe I'm not one to talk, but, it's true. > > Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the memorial > area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign that petition. > As long as the rebuilding is done by whoever got the insurance payout the first time around. I'd rather see the port authority who made tons of money from the collapse rebuild it at their discretion than the federal government provide another huge multimillion dollar gift. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 08:31:18 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Don Marti's quote: | Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the | memorial area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign that | petition. absofuckinglutely right. the nyc skyline is terribly broken, and nothing other than restoration will make it right. well, that and the rearrangement of the body parts of anyone who would even dream of knocking the new one down. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From sneakums at zork.net Thu Sep 12 08:42:14 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:31:18 -0400") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence dep quotation: > begin Don Marti's quote: > > | Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the > | memorial area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign > | that petition. > > absofuckinglutely right. the nyc skyline is terribly broken, and > nothing other than restoration will make it right. well, that and > the rearrangement of the body parts of anyone who would even dream > of knocking the new one down. I was wondering when the formation of a Thought Police was going to be mooted. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From inkblot at movealong.org Thu Sep 12 08:46:14 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912151821.GA3171@zork.net> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912151821.GA3171@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912154614.GB7140@movealong.org> Just now Simm Al-Aekrib made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > begin Don Marti quotation: > > begin Miles Nordin quotation of Wed, Sep 11, 2002 at 05:41:07PM -0400: > > > > > Ruben is weird and scary. Maybe I'm not one to talk, but, it's true. > > > > Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the memorial > > area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign that petition. > > > > As long as the rebuilding is done by whoever got the insurance payout > the first time around. It was assumed that no event would cause the loss of *both* towers, so the port authority (or whoever had them insured) only had coverage for the complete loss of one tower. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Sep 12 08:46:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:31:18 -0400") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: DM> Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the DM> memorial area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign DM> that petition. d> absofuckinglutely right. the nyc skyline is terribly broken, d> and nothing other than restoration will make it right. Sorry, d00d, you don't seem to have understood. The plan is to rebuild the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Sep 12 08:47:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 16:42:14 +0100") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> I was wondering when the formation of a Thought Police was SN> going to be mooted. That kind of reckless wondering is exactly why you are on our list, Mr. Neakums. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Thu Sep 12 08:52:46 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mister Bad's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:47:37 -0700") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6uofb3p5m9.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mister Bad quotation: >>>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: > > SN> I was wondering when the formation of a Thought Police was > SN> going to be mooted. > > That kind of reckless wondering is exactly why you are on our list, > Mr. Neakums. Now that I know I'm a marked man, I might as well go ahead and read all these books I told you I had burned! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Sep 12 09:25:03 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mister Bad's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 08:46:31 -0700") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "bad" == Mister Bad writes: bad> The plan is to rebuild the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. in that case I take back everything I said about Ruben. The government should start construction on the new tower TODAY. and the top five floors will be zoned exclusively for FRIED CHICKIN. I'm sick of being called a ``bridge and tunnel person.'' I mean, cummon. I live in fucking Pennsylvania. -- She's still with you, though harder to see these days, nearly invisible as a glass of gray lemonade in a twilit room . . . still she is there, cool and acid and sweet, waiting to be swallowed down to touch your deepest cells, to work among your saddest dreams. -- Thomas Pynchon From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Sep 12 09:29:45 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > > Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the memorial > area at the top) is the right thing to do. I'll sign that petition. I don't have an URL handy, but there's a guy with a proposal that builds five circular towers, designed to allow evacuation even if multiple planes hit, that is also 1 story taller and incorporates a communications tower that would make it once again the tallest building in the world. It takes up the footprint of some of the smaller buildings, has space for the memorial at the bottom, includes helipad layers spaced along the way up a few times, and lots of other goodies. It has more total office space than the old complex did. You can probably find it on Fark if you care. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2AwPkACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1TmwCgj1EQJShuYM5y05gwNpFsfdo3 nkwAnRFaV7BmONBGQjDhHAAHL+A080vW =ZJ0E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 09:54:02 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <200209121254.02282.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Miles Nordin's quote: | I'm sick of being called a ``bridge and tunnel person.'' I mean, | cummon. I live in fucking Pennsylvania. you're right. you're a horse-and-buggy, orange-triangle person if you live in pennsylvania. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 12 10:01:41 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > Sorry, d00d, you don't seem to have understood. The plan is to rebuild > the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. No, Queens! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 12 10:02:48 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> I didn't know Mae West moved to Zaire! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mwest@cs.uct.ac.za has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 10:22:26 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912172226.GA27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:01:41AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > > Sorry, d00d, you don't seem to have understood. The plan is to rebuild > > the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. > > No, Queens! Homophobe. From mwest at cs.uct.ac.za Thu Sep 12 10:29:43 2002 From: mwest at cs.uct.ac.za (Matthew West) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:02:48AM -0700 References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 at 10:02:48 -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I didn't know Mae West moved to Zaire! > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > mwest@cs.uct.ac.za has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. Except it's neither "Mae" nor Zaire. :-) (Anyway, I prefer to direct.) -- mwest@cs.uct.ac.za From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 12 10:36:34 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> Message-ID: <20020912173634.GN12573@zork.net> begin Mae West quotation: > (Anyway, I prefer to direct.) Oooh! Tell us what intense Zambian drama Mae West will be directing soon! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 10:43:21 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> Message-ID: <200209121343.21912.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Matthew West's quote: | Except it's neither "Mae" nor Zaire. :-) true -- the famous pr0n film involving the six day brothers and their daddy along with mae west, "seven days in mae," was filmed in zamibia. | (Anyway, I prefer to direct.) wow. that was *your* work? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From adam at flounder.net Thu Sep 12 10:59:55 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200209121343.21912.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> <200209121343.21912.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:43:21PM -0400, dep wrote: > begin Matthew West's quote: > > | Except it's neither "Mae" nor Zaire. :-) > > true -- the famous pr0n film involving the six day brothers and their > daddy along with mae west, "seven days in mae," was filmed in > zamibia. > > | (Anyway, I prefer to direct.) > > wow. that was *your* work? .za is south africa, dumbasses. --Adam From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 12 11:14:39 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <20020912192943.A98191@cs.uct.ac.za> <200209121343.21912.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020912181439.GO12573@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > .za is south africa, dumbasses. Ohhhh reeeeeeeeeaallly now? Well I'm sure the UN would have a thing or two to say about that, mister fancy-pants mckennur! Next you'll be telling us that .uk isn't Ukrainia, and that .ie isn't Iceland. Or wait, maybe .au isn't Austria! Ho ho ho! You are such a funny little troll! Quit trying to pull the wool over the eyes of several hundred hard-working Americans, Ukrainians, Icelanders, Austrians, and Zaire... Zairites... -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 11:23:47 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <200209121343.21912.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> Message-ID: <200209121423.47510.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Adam McKenna's quote: | .za is south africa, dumbasses. yeah. zamibia. what i said. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 11:24:43 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020912181439.GO12573@zork.net> References: <20020912170248.GM12573@zork.net> <20020912175955.GW569@flounder.net> <20020912181439.GO12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209121424.43590.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | Quit trying to pull the wool over the eyes of several hundred | hard-working Americans, Ukrainians, Icelanders, Austrians, and | Zaire... Zairites... zirconia. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From sam at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 11:24:54 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:01:41AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > > Sorry, d00d, you don't seem to have understood. The plan is to rebuild > > the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. > > No, Queens! > Hey let's just build one in every city! Tear down the Washington Monument and put a WTC right in the middle of the Mall. Take out that wonky looking Transmerica spike and replace it with WTC. Space Needle, who needs that Jetson's crap. WTC baybee! It's a plan that can't fail. We'll foil those terrorists yet. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From paul_vortex at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 12 11:27:18 2002 From: paul_vortex at ntlworld.com (Paul J. McConnochie) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? Message-ID: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> There... I went and did it... all for you! -PV. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 12 11:32:34 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020912183234.GP12573@zork.net> begin Sam Phillips quotation: > Hey let's just build one in every city! Tear down the Washington > Monument and put a WTC right in the middle of the Mall. Take out > that wonky looking Transmerica spike and replace it with WTC. Space > Needle, who needs that Jetson's crap. WTC baybee! It's a plan that > can't fail. We'll foil those terrorists yet. Awright! Now every day can be the 70s! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Sep 12 11:34:22 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? In-Reply-To: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> References: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020912183422.GQ12573@zork.net> begin Paul J. McConnochie quotation: > There... I went and did it... all for you! Great. Now fuck off! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 11:56:22 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020912185622.GB27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 11:24:54AM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > Hey let's just build one in every city! Tear down the Washington > Monument and put a WTC right in the middle of the Mall. Take out that > wonky looking Transmerica spike and replace it with WTC. Space Needle, > who needs that Jetson's crap. WTC baybee! It's a plan that can't fail. > We'll foil those terrorists yet. I don't know about y'all, but I'm putting my money in NECKTIE FUTURES! From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 12:03:15 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? In-Reply-To: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> References: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020912190314.GC27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 07:27:18PM +0100, Paul J. McConnochie wrote: > There... I went and did it... all for you! Who the fuck are you, why the fuck are you bothering us, and where the fuck are my pants? > X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk ha ha Mandrake From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu Sep 12 12:20:14 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? In-Reply-To: <20020912190314.GC27409@dasbistro.com> References: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> <20020912190314.GC27409@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020912152014.C14414@tastytronic.net> Quoting Not Erik: > Who the fuck are you, why the fuck are you bothering us, and where the > fuck are my pants? Pants are optional. This email, including any attached files, is confidential and is for the sole use of the individual or entity for whom it is intended. This email represents the originator's personal views and opinions, which do not necessarily reflect those of Tastytronic Industries. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, be advised that you have received this email in error. Any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited and may be subject to legal sanction. If you have received this email in error, please immediately notify postmaster@tastytronic.net. 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From mike at embody.org Thu Sep 12 12:52:29 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <6uofb3p5m9.fsf@zork.zork.net> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6uofb3p5m9.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912195227.GA17258@eber.embody.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > I was wondering when the formation of a Thought Police was going to be > mooted. begin 2nd Sean Neakums quotation: > Now that I know I'm a marked man, I might as well go ahead and read > all these books I told you I had burned! Oh, the IRONY! If you were actually here in the U.S., you'd have seen the horrendous "What if America wasn't America? ... Freedom" ad campaign aired yesterday by the Ministry of Truth ^W^W^W Ad Council. I nearly fucking vomitted, especially the "parody" of the Thought-Police-esque guys apprehending some guy at the library for trying to get some "removed" books (cf. http://www.ala.org/alaorg/oif/fbiinyourlibrary.html) (also http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0237/solomon.php) > A man approaches a librarian to ask for help finding a text. "These > books are no longer available," she replies, in a pinched, Peter > Lorre-like voice. "May I have your name please?" A couple of suited > thugs take the library patron away. > > The scene comes from one of a series of patriotic public service > announcements produced for the Fourth of July by the Ad Council, which > feature creepy Big Brother scenarios followed by the legend "What If > America Weren't America? Freedom: Appreciate It, Cherish It, Protect > It." Trouble is, the library segment is no fantasy. -md From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 13:16:06 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? In-Reply-To: <1031858032.4287.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> References: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> <20020912190314.GC27409@dasbistro.com> <1031858032.4287.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20020912201606.GF27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 08:13:48PM +0100, Paul J. McConnochie wrote: > > > X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2-5mdk > > > > ha ha Mandrake > > Slaps forehead. LIST REPLY! LIST REPLY LIST REPLY LIST REPLY! Can I please kill this guy? From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 12 13:20:56 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020912202056.GR12573@zork.net> Ha ha. ZAIRE DOT NET ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- bug-e@thelair.za.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 13:22:38 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912195227.GA17258@eber.embody.org> References: <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6uofb3p5m9.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020912195227.GA17258@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <20020912202238.GG27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 12:52:29PM -0700, mike dillon wrote: > > Oh, the IRONY! If you were actually here in the U.S., you'd have seen > the horrendous "What if America wasn't America? ... Freedom" ad campaign > aired yesterday by the Ministry of Truth ^W^W^W Ad Council. I nearly > fucking vomitted, especially the "parody" of the Thought-Police-esque > guys apprehending some guy at the library for trying to get some > "removed" books I like the one where the guy gets pulled over and arrested for smuggling newspapers. That totally happens here too, if you replace the newspapers with a kilo of coke or several pounds of plastic explosives. Fucking fascists. From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Sep 12 13:31:36 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge Message-ID: Any truth in the discontinuation rumours? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From jv at zork.net Thu Sep 12 13:38:55 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] Message-ID: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Mikael Pawlo ----- Any truth in the discontinuation rumours?... ----- End forwarded message ----- Sure... now that you've started a *major* panic. !My *God*, look what you've done to The Dow. And my pantry's almost empty. No, not my *pants*... pantry. It's wher... never mind. Please just stop. -jv From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Sep 12 13:54:42 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] In-Reply-To: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> Message-ID: At 13.38 -0700 02-09-12, Juggler Vain wrote: >----- Forwarded message from Mikael Pawlo ----- >Any truth in the discontinuation rumours?... >----- End forwarded message ---- >Sure... now that you've started a *major* panic. !My *God*, look what >you've done to The Dow. And my pantry's almost empty. No, not my >*pants*... pantry. It's wher... never mind. Please just stop. -jv Right - just kill the messanger and the rash will go away. I am sure Newsforge could raise quite an amount of money if this story is in part correct: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=210 M -- _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Sep 12 14:07:26 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:54 PDT." <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> <20020912182454.GD11696@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200209122107.g8CL7QP8006663@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 11:24:54 PDT, Sam Phillips said: > Hey let's just build one in every city! Tear down the Washington On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:25:03 EDT, Miles Nordin said: > government should start construction on the new tower TODAY. and the > top five floors will be zoned exclusively for FRIED CHICKIN. I'm sick Another goddamned fast food franchise. Just what we need. From paul_vortex at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 12 14:05:52 2002 From: paul_vortex at ntlworld.com (Paul J. McConnochie) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Is this better? In-Reply-To: <20020912201606.GF27409@dasbistro.com> References: <1031855238.4011.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> <20020912190314.GC27409@dasbistro.com> <1031858032.4287.0.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> <20020912201606.GF27409@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1031864752.3884.9.camel@vortex42.dyndns.org> Not Erik wrote: > LIST REPLY! LIST REPLY LIST REPLY LIST REPLY! > > Can I please kill this guy? I prefer stabbing. It won't happen again. Trust me. (apologies to dep too - same mistake) -PV. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Sep 12 14:20:33 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912202238.GG27409@dasbistro.com> References: <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87u1kvgqg6.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6uofb3p5m9.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <6usn0fp63t.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020912195227.GA17258@eber.embody.org> <20020912202238.GG27409@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020912212033.GF26204@zgp.org> begin Not Erik quotation of Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:22:38PM -0700: > I like the one where the guy gets pulled over and arrested for > smuggling newspapers. That totally happens here too, if you replace > the newspapers with a kilo of coke or several pounds of plastic > explosives. Fucking fascists. Free Dmitry! -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Sep 12 14:22:55 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] In-Reply-To: References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912212255.GG26204@zgp.org> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation of Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:54:42PM +0200: > I am sure Newsforge could raise quite an amount of money if this > story is in part correct: > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=210 Damn, news is so 20th century...it's all about BLOGS now dude. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Sep 12 14:33:39 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] In-Reply-To: <20020912212255.GG26204@zgp.org> References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> <20020912212255.GG26204@zgp.org> Message-ID: At 14.22 -0700 02-09-12, Don Marti wrote: >begin Mikael Pawlo quotation of Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 10:54:42PM +0200: > >> I am sure Newsforge could raise quite an amount of money if this >> story is in part correct: >> http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=210 > >Damn, news is so 20th century...it's all about BLOGS now dude. Too post-modern for me. I prefer content. M -- _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 12 14:48:21 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] In-Reply-To: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020912214820.GH27409@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 01:38:55PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: > Sure... now that you've started a *major* panic. !My *God*, look what > you've done to The Dow. And my pantry's almost empty. No, not my > *pants*... pantry. It's wher... never mind. Please just stop. -jv See that? Start a rumor about Newsforge and jv immediately hides his weed in his pants. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 14:58:45 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: Clumsy Observer [mikael@pawlo.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge] In-Reply-To: References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209121758.46121.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mikael Pawlo's quote: | I am sure Newsforge could raise quite an amount of money if this | story is in part correct: | http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid= |210 fwiw, i noticed today that the article submissions page on newsforge now is headed "Linux.Com Story Submissions." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Thu Sep 12 15:09:34 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] AVW & "The New Imperialism" Message-ID: <20020912220934.GU12573@zork.net> I would love to see a joint Tastytronic Industries and AVW release sometime. ----- Forwarded message from Gary Clemenceau ----- *************************************************** ACMEVAPORWARE FIRMLY EMBRACES "THE NEW IMPERIALISM" AVW & Bush Administration's Advanced Force-Annex Section Whips the Sheet Off of Future Land-grabs For a Bigger, Better America WASHINGTON, DC - September 12, 2002 - In a stirring speech before a good-natured crowd of White House staffers and frightened allies, President George W. Bush unleashed his multi-year plan to annex Iraq as the United States' 51st state -- first domino in a run the Bush Administration calls, "The New Imperialism." In keeping with the Arab/desert theme, the new state will be renamed, "Exxonia." Trucks loaded with quick-build strip malls, oil derricks and slot machines were said to be poised behind tanks and smiling shocktroops ready for action. "Now's the time for action. America is strong. America is growing," Bush said, squinting at the teleprompter. "America is strong and growing. This means we need more oil. And land. To make our children strong. And keep them growing. The New Imperialism will benefit all Americans who are strong and growing." Bush added that the remainder of the Middle East was to be renamed "The Big East" -- with annexation of Europe, Canada and Mexico to follow. Vice President Cheney stopped giggling and counting money long enough to detail his new "Ministry of International Submission," whose charter is to help other countries better develop strip malls and fast food franchises - as well as, of course, oil derricks and pipelines. Cheney vowed to "free the world from dependence on unnecessary independence," and said that our fallen heroes would never be forgotten, so long as they remained politically useful. "We're already the policemen of the world, now it's time to get paid for it." When asked if this wasn't just a thinly disguised land-grab, Cheney replied, "It's un-American to ask questions. Don't you know there's a war on?" Other new and approved "Future States" will include: - "Persian Springs" (Iran) - "Pecos Verde" (Afghanistan) - "TurkeyLand" (Turkey) - "RusskyLand" (Russia) - "EuropeLand" (Europe) - "North America" (Canada) - "South America" (Mexico) About AcmeVaporware Measured by its unqualified success in creating artificial needs, distracting dissent and endless endorsement of the existing order, AcmeVaporware, Inc. is a galactic, web-based discorporate hoobah maquiladora providing new paintjobs and run-on sentences for whatever's handy, to anyone who'll stand still long enough for us to get an X on their foreheads. Information on AcmeVaporware, its internecine common-sense arm, and its future profligate amounts of finest-quality torpovapor are mostly classified. Regardless, it's all on www.acmevaporware.com anyway, so whatever. -- AcmeVaporware is a registered trademark of AcmeVaporware, Inc. All rights reserved. Don't mess with us -- we have huge cans of Lysol and know how to use 'em. (c) 1997-2002 and beyond, AcmeVaporware, Inc. Carpe per diem. Void where prohibited. Serving suggestion: head for the hills, Timmy. ### ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From az at CANTANKER.NET Thu Sep 12 16:07:07 2002 From: az at CANTANKER.NET (Adrian van den Dries) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020912230707.GA9812@fez.modernnoise.com> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 07:33:24AM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Rebuilding the World Trade Center 5 stories higher (with the memorial > area at the top) is the right thing to do. Yeah, and paint them orange. a. From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Sep 12 14:52:03 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:29:45 -0400") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "sm" == Shawn McMahon writes: sm> five circular towers, sweeeeet. depending on what you mean by ``circular.'' Does this mean the five towers are arranged in a pentagram, sort of slanted and leaning on each other, held together by centripetal cables that prevent the five-string twisted cable from unwinding? Or are they braided? Because that would rock. exspecially the elevators. maybe it could also have rotating discs on some floors, the elevator equivalent of crosstown busses. It's about damn time someone built a building that was actually interesting, rather than bragging ``we used 30% less steel than similar structures built in 1940. Isn't that just fascinating?'' No. No it is not fascinating. And two bland gray rectangular solids were no spectacular skyline, either. sm> designed to allow evacuation even if multiple planes hit, There was no evacuation-rate problem that I recall. The substantial majority got out fine. There was a ``cannot pass wall of flames and molten river of glass'' problem. This sounds like FUD to me. It discredits your entire proposal, McMahon. No self-respecting Malaysian Muslim would build such a braying sheepish safety-tower. This is why you go to NYC on 2002-09-11. to say, ``come and GET ME, you smelly mumbling towl-headed reject.'' no fischer-price saftey-towers. Not in Brooklyn. What we need is a proper monument to capitalism, in Brooklyn, with plenty of fried chickin. Or else we might as well all join the communists and be a bunch of pinko commie rat bastards with our communist safety-tower. sm> You can probably find it on Fark if you care. see, that would be your job, lazy twit. You need a deep link to a photograph, and you need to quote interesting parts of the page in your post. You're wasting everyone's time. The only piece of slight value in your post was that you provided such vague and minimal actual information that I could make up a different story without factually contradicting you. You are the rice cake of posters, McMahon. Go back to your rice paddy, you tasteless rice cake cone-hatted little rice-baby fool. -- BigBy sped off, laughing, through a megaphone. From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Sep 12 14:57:33 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:01:41 -0700") References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <200209121131.18102.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87y9a7gqi0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020912170141.GL12573@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mmaprosf" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: bad> rebuild the World Trade Center in BROOKLYN. mmaprosf> No, Queens! It's almost the same. Most of Brooklyn used to be Queens. What became the seed of Brooklyn was this really small outpost of fascist colonials called Kings. Then the Kings people slowly spread their bastard spawn, pushing back the border and marginalizing Queens. Brooklyn was Kings' post-holocaust name, adopted to hide the atrocities their people committed over years of mad, desparate grabs for land and power under their twisted maniacal fascist idealogy, all at the expense of Queens of course. Thus Brooklyn is really a better spot for the five braided WTC towers and the hundredth-story fried chickin megaplex. -- the [South African] government is explicit (to the financial press) that it is sacrificing the masses to build a black capitalist class. Eight years after apartheid's official end, South Africa has moved from third to first on the list of the world's most unequal societies. From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Thu Sep 12 19:50:24 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic Message-ID: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth plane had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to be demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 20:52:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Ian W H's quote: | begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin | Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for | any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth | plane had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to | be demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. the capital is 555 feet high? the washington monument is. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 12 20:59:38 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] okay, it's not mailman day Message-ID: <200209122359.39103.dep@linuxandmain.com> but it is friday the 13th, and my old pal dave barry has a tiller driving his'n nuts: http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/4018055.htm -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Sep 12 21:06:45 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:52:07 EDT." <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <200209130406.g8D46kCZ002947@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:52:07 EDT, dep said: > | Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for > | any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth ^^^^^^^^ > the capital is 555 feet high? the washington monument is. ^^^^^^^^ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 12 21:10:11 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020913041011.GA24610@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence dep quotation: > begin Ian W H's quote: > | begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin > | Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for > | any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth > | plane had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to > | be demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. > > the capital is 555 feet high? the washington monument is. There's actually some crazy loophole that the Washington Monument is a monument and not a building. I don't remember the exact phrasing, but the Washington Monument is exempt from the No Building Taller Than The Capitol rule. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gWUijLHcIq3dHxYRAjZ0AKCdvT0jh2kY6+C6+hL6X533N59d2gCgpf/j S6RhCwI6DtW5Lli+/GjyLlU= =ilmg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Sep 12 21:13:19 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <200209130406.g8D46kCZ002947@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200209130406.g8D46kCZ002947@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020913041319.GT1492@perkypants.org> > On Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:52:07 EDT, dep said: > > | Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for > > | any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth > ^^^^^^^^ > > the capital is 555 feet high? the washington monument is. > ^^^^^^^^ pedant ^^^^^^ - Jeff -- "If you want to start a debate on a subject, however, all that seems to be necessary is to involve perennial target Richard Gooch." - LWN From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 12 21:23:51 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <20020913042351.GB24610@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Ian W H quotation: > begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth plane had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to be demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. I can't believe you of all people can't see the obvious solution to this. You just build the replica WTC underneath the Capitol Building, jacking it up as you go along! Nothing could be simpler. The side bonus of this plan is that now the height limit in DC is massively increased. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9gWhWjLHcIq3dHxYRAml5AJ4jDVgzs5N9Z+RICsuPy6Y04hDLTACfankN lnN55YaHJVSWZsesHX0siPE= =/L/4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at enberg.org Thu Sep 12 22:23:56 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: okay, it's not mailman day In-Reply-To: <200209122359.39103.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:59:38 -0400") References: <200209122359.39103.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87znum8ntf.fsf@enberg.org> dep writes: > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/4018055.htm Arrrrr, that's magnificent. Can monkeymaster tweak the list filters to bound non-piratey talk in time for the 19th? -- Yo mama's so nasty, she went swimming and made the Dead Sea. From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 13 00:43:52 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020913074352.GZ12573@zork.net> oooh, a WAN. It's like a LAN, but it's w i d e! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- moe@wandata.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From sneakums at zork.net Fri Sep 13 00:47:01 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Inside Newsforge In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:31:36 +0200") References: Message-ID: <6ufzwepc0a.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Any truth in the discontinuation rumours? Yes. They are clearing the beanbags and pachinko machines out of the data centre as we speak. Newsforge is no more. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Sep 13 00:49:06 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020913074352.GZ12573@zork.net> References: <20020913074352.GZ12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020913074906.GA1492@perkypants.org> > oooh, a WAN. > > It's like a LAN, but it's w i d e! Just like your Mum! - Jeff -- No pants is good pants. From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 13 02:06:13 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020913090613.GB12573@zork.net> What, is it Coronation Day in Zamibia? Do these guys all have the day off to troll mailing lists? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- daniel@unix.za.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From sam at dasbistro.com Fri Sep 13 02:25:55 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <20020913092555.GA18781@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:50:24PM +1200, Ian W H wrote: > begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin Towers > in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for any > building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth plane > had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to be > demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. You fool! Don't you see this is just another thing perpetrated by THE MAN. They're trying to convince you it can't be this way throught their silly LAWS. In the FUTURE we'll all live in WTCs! -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From daniel at unix.za.net Fri Sep 13 02:35:49 2002 From: daniel at unix.za.net (Daniel Schroder) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020913090613.GB12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020913113454.D84022-100000@unix.za.net> Just an effective information grid. --Daniel Schroder (Private email daniel@unix.os.org.za) Unix users .. South Africa To : The Status is that Rob Levin Should Get a Life From : Nick Moffitt date : Sep 13 Address : nick@zork.net On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote: > What, is it Coronation Day in Zamibia? Do these guys all have the day > off to troll mailing lists? > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > daniel@unix.za.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public > as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. > -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > From ivo at o2w.nl Fri Sep 13 02:54:05 2002 From: ivo at o2w.nl (Ivo Timmermans) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020913095405.GB5853@juarez> Miles Nordin wrote: > It's about damn time someone built a > building that was actually interesting, rather than bragging ``we used > 30% less steel than similar structures built in 1940. Isn't that just > fascinating?'' No. No it is not fascinating. And two bland gray > rectangular solids were no spectacular skyline, either. Indeed, pink ones would have been so much more interesting. Or orange. Ivo -- While Mac evangelism is as silly as worshipping a dead Sci-fi writer, Linux evangelism seems to expect everyone to rely on the belief of miracles with no further evidence needed. - Steve Gilliard From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Sep 13 04:53:42 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <20020913092555.GA18781@dasbistro.com> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20020913092555.GA18781@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1031918022.2315.57010.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 05:25, Sam Phillips wrote: > > In the FUTURE we'll all live in WTCs! > If they build it, and want to let me live there for free, I'll be there. The broadband running through a WTC eliminates the "Can I get DSL?" question. I don't know what it'll be like to have the CEO as my neighbor somewhere around ~115 stories away. He'll be knocking on my door all the time, running for CEO of the WTC, handing out Fair Use petitions, and returning my Mail, but not my chainsaw. From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Sep 13 05:07:25 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pawlo prefers content In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Thu, 12 Sep 2002 23:33:39 +0200") References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> <20020912212255.GG26204@zgp.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "mp" == Mikael Pawlo writes: mp> I prefer content. itym RICH content. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Sep 13 05:46:27 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:35:49 +0200." <20020913113454.D84022-100000@unix.za.net> References: <20020913113454.D84022-100000@unix.za.net> Message-ID: <200209131246.g8DCkRj7002499@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 11:35:49 +0200, Daniel Schroder said: > Just an effective information grid. Hmm.. wouldn't an *effective* information grid have told him about the list charter, and basic nettiquete like getting up to speed before posting? Oh wait.. never mind.. it's an *information* grid, not an intelligence grid. We now return you to your regularly scheduled stream of non sequiturs and ad-hominem attacks, already in progress..... From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Sep 13 05:49:28 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pawlo prefers content In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:07:25 EDT." References: <20020912203855.GC949@zork.net> <20020912212255.GG26204@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200209131249.g8DCnSj7002514@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:07:25 EDT, Miles Nordin said: > >>>>> "mp" == Mikael Pawlo writes: > > mp> I prefer content. > > itym RICH content. Yeah, but the rich content sit around drinking tea with their pinkies in the air and practicing being snooty (nouveau rich only, as old money gets snooty from their genes - Lamarck was right). This is at least preferable to rich malcontents, who usually end up running for public office. From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri Sep 13 05:53:27 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <20020913042351.GB24610@8ball.wox.org> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20020913042351.GB24610@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020913085327.D14414@tastytronic.net> Quoting Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin: > I can't believe you of all people can't see the obvious solution to > this. You just build the replica WTC underneath the Capitol Building, > jacking it up as you go along! Nothing could be simpler. The side > bonus of this plan is that now the height limit in DC is massively > increased. I don't think the freemasons would ever allow that to happen. http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-freespeech.com/washington.html -- Lukas Eklund leklund@tastytronic.net From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 13 09:18:16 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <1031918022.2315.57010.camel@amory> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20020913092555.GA18781@dasbistro.com> <1031918022.2315.57010.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020913161816.GD5570@zgp.org> begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation of Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 07:53:42AM -0400: > On Fri, 2002-09-13 at 05:25, Sam Phillips wrote: > > > > In the FUTURE we'll all live in WTCs! > > > > If they build it, and want to let me live there for free, I'll be > there. The broadband running through a WTC eliminates the "Can I get > DSL?" question. For transferring large files from tower to tower, you will be able to point your Free Space Laser at my apt. and ssh in to the robot that repositions my Free Space Laser. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From claviola at ax.net.br Fri Sep 13 09:33:15 2002 From: claviola at ax.net.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] WTC in Mall not realistic In-Reply-To: <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <3D7EC3DB@mail.djuice.co.nz> <200209122352.07992.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020913163315.GA28960@alternex.com.br> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 11:52:07PM -0400, dep wrote: > begin Ian W H's quote: > | begin There has been ridiculous talk of building replica Twin > | Towers in the Mall. This suggestion is absurd, as it is illegal for > | any building in DC to be taller than the Capitol. So if the fourth > | plane had achieved its goal, federal law would have required DC to > | be demolished, surely a worthy goal in itself. > > the capital is 555 feet high? the washington monument is. Oh, 555... But whose feet is that? -- Carlos Laviola AlterNex S/A - (21) 2515-0500 From jordanb at hafd.org Fri Sep 13 10:39:41 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020913173941.GA14377@hafd.org> On Thu, Sep 12, 2002 at 12:29:45PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > I don't have an URL handy, but there's a guy with a proposal that builds > five circular towers, designed to allow evacuation even if multiple > planes hit, that is also 1 story taller and incorporates a > communications tower that would make it once again the tallest building > in the world. It takes up the footprint of some of the smaller > buildings, has space for the memorial at the bottom, includes helipad > layers spaced along the way up a few times, and lots of other goodies. > It has more total office space than the old complex did. > JESUS FUCKING H CHRIST! Why is it that, whenever terrorist nock down a fucking building, the architects come out of the woodwork with their next big fucking modern-art monstrosity? I've god an idea, let's dump this stupid ass veild phallic symbol BULLSHIT and go straight for the juggler! That's right, let's build a huge, throbbing, mile-high cock, complete with a huge fucking hand to stroke it whenever we invade Iraq. Plus, we can just make it jizz on any planes that come too near, effectivly eliminating the terrorist threat! We can call it 'jizz guard', which fits well with W's anti-nuke boondogle, 'miss guard'. If we have trouble finding enough semen to arm it, we can just scrape it up off of the floor of Mac World after Steve Jobs takes his fucking turtleneck off on stage. -- Jordan Bettis They aint dropped the bomb, so it aint that bad. -- Mr. T From dsaklad at gnu.org Fri Sep 13 11:25:40 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email Message-ID: Thank you! Much gratitude for taking a try at explaining how to set up gnus email. The effort makes it easier to get on track and accomplish more. Some day gnus email will work at this end! Correspondents have sent word that they've also not been able to set up gnus email. Some people have been using computers for years and years. It appears that the available web links on how to do it are written for people with programming experience or people with experience instead of writing explication that baby step by baby step explains everything including any and all jargon, acronyms, concepts, et al. Some people have programming experience but haven't figured out how to set up gnus email. It appears attempts at writing how to set up email haven't worked for everyone. Some of the nice people who compiled how to set up email explications get discouraged when other people don't get it. Some people know how to set it up but don't get around to it because it takes time away from other things. Yet they would use gnus email if it was just there and available more readily. It all may be obvious. a. Part of the difficulty is that there needs to be a listing of various commands people can might use to determine parameters of their systems and networks, parameters of their systems and networks people should know in setting up gnus email. b. Another difficulty is that the lisp programming lines and elements for the .emacs need to be explained. Explaining that coding line by line element by element will make more clear for people what it does and allow it to be checked out more thoroughly as inevitably with any instructive explication things won't work out for everyone. c. Another difficulty is that where you've a choice, the question becomes how to choose the better choice that would work at your end. How to determine the better choices needs even more explication. d. What is the better back end choice at your end?... e. What is the better mail server choice at your end?... So, the opportunity in all this looks like explanations for gnus email will also help people learn by example a lot of things! People do want to try gnus email. Not all people can or want to go ask system or network people around how to do it. Not all system or network people around desire using gnus email. Then there's the feeling that while reading all the technical writing the style of writing leaves one longing for more humor or for a more interesting style, a longing that sitting here reading it one could be reading the great works of writing one has yet to get around to... Why read on and on about how to use a computer that in the future people won't have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers or hobbyists. In the future computers will just work. From pedro at tastytronic.net Fri Sep 13 11:27:00 2002 From: pedro at tastytronic.net (Peter A. Peterson II) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free Software Band Message-ID: <20020913132700.X1185@tastytronic.net> I should make a Free Software band called... ...GPLove and Special Source. * rimshot * Peter -- Peter A. Peterson II, technician and musician. ---=[ http://tastytronic.net/~pedro/ ]=--- From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Sep 13 11:31:16 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020913183116.GT1492@perkypants.org> > Then there's the feeling that while reading all the technical writing the > style of writing leaves one longing for more humor or for a more > interesting style, a longing that sitting here reading it one could be > reading the great works of writing one has yet to get around to... Why > read on and on about how to use a computer that in the future people won't > have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers or hobbyists. In the > future computers will just work. It's odd that a rant like this should finish a 'thread' about setting up GNUS for mail. Certainly, not all users want to be good hackers or hobbyists, so why on Earth are they attempting to use Emacs as their mail client? That's perfect for hackers, but for the little people...? - Jeff -- "GIMP is the primary tool in my graphics work. It is my gcc and Emacs." - Tuomas Kuosmanen From dsaklad at gnu.org Fri Sep 13 11:35:14 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available Message-ID: For even more ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments see http://lp-web.ala.org:8000/reguser/archives/ALAOIF/log0209/msg00105.html http://lp-web.ala.org:8000 From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Sep 13 11:51:59 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020913185159.GA1711@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:25:40PM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: [possibly /dev/urandom influenced gnus rant snipped] > Why read on and on about how to use a computer that in the future > people won't have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers or > hobbyists. In the future computers will just work. Will you please turn off the cron job that generates these messages? I had a discussion yesterday about clue-impaired Windows users and the only thing I remember saying was "Someone needs to give him a buttonless mouse so he can stop getting himself into trouble." From claviola at ax.net.br Fri Sep 13 13:14:51 2002 From: claviola at ax.net.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:35:14PM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > For even more ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments see > http://lp-web.ala.org:8000/reguser/archives/ALAOIF/log0209/msg00105.html You can probably notice yourself that "reguser" means "registered user", which we'll never be. THANKS -- Carlos Laviola AlterNex S/A - (21) 2515-0500 From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 13 13:22:27 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <3D81B3CA.1060300@wandata.com> References: <20020913090613.GB12573@zork.net> <3D81B3CA.1060300@wandata.com> Message-ID: <20020913202227.GF12573@zork.net> begin Allen Versfeld quotation: > I'm also a zamibian, with a big wide WAN These guys are all hitting on me in private mail. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From montaigne at subdimension.com Fri Sep 13 13:34:36 2002 From: montaigne at subdimension.com (montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email Message-ID: <3d824bdc.2078.1804289383@subdimension.com> > Certainly, not all users > want to be good hackers or hobbyists, so why on Earth are > they attempting to use Emacs as their mail client? Because they want the status points that comes from using the way-kewl MUA/choice of nerds? Because they take the Imitation of Christ....um...Stallman, too literally? I dunno me. montaigne _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Sep 13 13:35:39 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020913202227.GF12573@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:22:27 -0700") References: <20020913090613.GB12573@zork.net> <3D81B3CA.1060300@wandata.com> <20020913202227.GF12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <87ptvhhbl0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: ZA> I'm also a zamibian, with a big wide WAN NM> These guys are all hitting on me in private mail. Reply-To Munging Considered the Default. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From montaigne at subdimension.com Fri Sep 13 13:41:57 2002 From: montaigne at subdimension.com (montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Use The Force Luke Message-ID: <3d824d95.21a0.1804289383@subdimension.com> Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 02:28:20 +1000 From: Luke Mewburn Cc: current-users@netbsd.org Subject: Re: NetBSD 1.6 final? On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 03:40:21PM +0200, Lars Stenberg wrote: | Is the 1.6 version that lays on ftp.netbsd.org the final and stable or will | their be updates for the LAST_MINUTE stuff? There is never any guarantee that we won't add other LAST_MINUTE stuff in the future, to fix "last minute" critical problems. That said, I don't expect any more additions at this point except for the atari & sun3 xserver.tgz. If you're really concerned, wait for the official release announcement, which should be sent out Real Soon Now... Luke. montaigne _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Sep 13 13:42:16 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <3d824bdc.2078.1804289383@subdimension.com> ("montaigne"'s message of "Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:34:36 GMT") References: <3d824bdc.2078.1804289383@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <87ptvhk4ev.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> So, what seems weird to me about this whole mess is that I think the GNUS manual might be one of the best-written pieces of documentation for any piece of Free Software, ever. It's clever, clear, comprehensive, and uses multiple examples without getting over-codey. I think the main hard part is that it expects you to know how to use Emacs -- although there's a section for non-Emacs-users called "Emacs for Heathens". Gnus is a huge piece of software, but anyone who knows how to RTFM should be able to find the shit they need. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 13 13:42:46 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020913173941.GA14377@hafd.org> References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> <20020913173941.GA14377@hafd.org> Message-ID: <20020913204246.GI12573@zork.net> begin Jordan Bettis quotation: > I've god an idea, let's dump this stupid ass veild phallic symbol > BULLSHIT and go straight for the juggler! Ha ha juggler. Jordanbc, ladies and gentlemen! -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 13 13:46:29 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020913204629.GK12573@zork.net> I have no idea who this montaigne fool is, but GARY CLEMENCEAU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- montaigne@subdimension.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. gary@acmevaporware.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 13 13:52:00 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available In-Reply-To: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> References: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20020913205200.GL12573@zork.net> begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:35:14PM -0400, Don Saklad wrote: > > For even more ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments see > > http://lp-web.ala.org:8000/reguser/archives/ALAOIF/log0209/msg00105.html > > You can probably notice yourself that "reguser" means "registered > user", which we'll never be. > > THANKS DUde, it's the American Library Association. I don't think they're collecting your personal info for spammers, man. The ALA *invented* the privacy of borrower records. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri Sep 13 13:54:42 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Use The Force Luke In-Reply-To: <3d824d95.21a0.1804289383@subdimension.com> References: <3d824d95.21a0.1804289383@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020913165442.K14414@tastytronic.net> Quoting montaigne: > Subject: Re: NetBSD 1.6 final? d00d. NetBSD-wankers-l is over there ------> -- leklund@tastytronic.net From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 13 14:30:22 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available In-Reply-To: <20020913205200.GL12573@zork.net> References: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> <20020913205200.GL12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020913213022.GB9647@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:52:00PM -0700: > DUde, it's the American Library Association. I don't think > they're collecting your personal info for spammers, man. The ALA > *invented* the privacy of borrower records. Privacy my ass! http://www.mississippireview.com/1999/111299ward.htm -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 13 14:49:00 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available In-Reply-To: <20020913213022.GB9647@zgp.org> References: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> <20020913205200.GL12573@zork.net> <20020913213022.GB9647@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020913214900.GN12573@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Privacy my ass! > http://www.mississippireview.com/1999/111299ward.htm Disqualified on account of Butte. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Sep 13 14:57:05 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] More ad hominem attacks and non sequitur arguments available In-Reply-To: <20020913214900.GN12573@zork.net> References: <20020913201451.GB31513@alternex.com.br> <20020913205200.GL12573@zork.net> <20020913213022.GB9647@zgp.org> <20020913214900.GN12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020913215704.GB1711@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 02:49:00PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Disqualified on account of Butte. ^^^^^ From modus at as220.org Fri Sep 13 18:03:03 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Brooklyn In-Reply-To: <20020913204246.GI12573@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Fri, Sep 13, 2002 at 01:42:46PM -0700 References: <20020911105726.A15367@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110308.A16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020911110341.E16265@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020912143324.GA19494@zgp.org> <20020912162945.GA9421@eiv.com> <20020913173941.GA14377@hafd.org> <20020913204246.GI12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020913210303.A607@as220.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > Ha ha juggler. > > Jordanbc, ladies and gentlemen! Screw the juggler! Let's go straight for the mime! -- Random Oedipus RI Pseudo Nomad Modus Operandi modus@as220.org From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Sep 14 13:03:40 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Saklad quotation: > > people won't have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers or > hobbyists. In the future computers will just work. And cars will drive themselves, and maybe, if we're all REALLY lucky, food will come pre-chewed. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2DlhsACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt32rgCeMVhCUQH59kZadT7deRnG3+JT RRUAoKIP45nBD8F9pqa9mY7BhxNUkiAn =PwCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Sep 14 13:16:17 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Don Saklad quotation: > > people won't have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers > > or hobbyists. In the future computers will just work. > > And cars will drive themselves, and maybe, if we're all REALLY > lucky, food will come pre-chewed. They used to. We called them "trains". We left the life-threatening and dangerous work of piloting tons and tons of steel to the trained and regulated professionals. It was certainly a more enlightened system. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From anthony.atkins at vt.edu Sat Sep 14 21:00:27 2002 From: anthony.atkins at vt.edu (Anthony Atkins) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020915000027.B17945@spyro.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 01:16:17PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > begin Don Saklad quotation: > > > people won't have to know. Not all users want to be good hackers > > > or hobbyists. In the future computers will just work. > > > > And cars will drive themselves, and maybe, if we're all REALLY > > lucky, food will come pre-chewed. > > They used to. We called them "trains". We left the life-threatening > and dangerous work of piloting tons and tons of steel to the trained > and regulated professionals. It was certainly a more enlightened > system. http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php?query_string=train+wreck Tony From ron at vnetworx.net Sat Sep 14 21:03:15 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <1032062596.2265.202261.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-09-14 at 16:16, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > They used to. We called them "trains". We left the life-threatening > and dangerous work of piloting tons and tons of steel to the trained > and regulated professionals. It was certainly a more enlightened > system. My friend's dad likes to talk about the old days, when he used to smoke joints while driving the trains, before the drug-testing began. Interestingly enough, if you adjust the schedules to remove all the extra minutes added between stops over the years, (mind you, the tracks haven't gotten longer, and raised platforms have been added) the trains were far more on-time when the engineers were/were-able-to-be stoned. The bar car ain't what it used to be either. From inkblot at movealong.org Sat Sep 14 21:34:19 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020915000027.B17945@spyro.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> <20020915000027.B17945@spyro.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020915043419.GA15410@movealong.org> Just now Anthony Atkins made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > On Sat, Sep 14, 2002 at 01:16:17PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > > And cars will drive themselves, and maybe, if we're all REALLY > > > lucky, food will come pre-chewed. > > > > They used to. We called them "trains". We left the life-threatening > > and dangerous work of piloting tons and tons of steel to the trained > > and regulated professionals. It was certainly a more enlightened > > system. > > http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php?query_string=train+wreck http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php?query_string=logical+fallacy -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 15 00:05:42 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020915000027.B17945@spyro.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> <20020915000027.B17945@spyro.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020915070542.GD12573@zork.net> begin Anthony Atkins quotation: > http://imagebase.lib.vt.edu/search.php?query_string=train+wreck Amazing, isn't it? They're so rare that each one gets documented. However the three or four freeway accidents that happen each day just in my local area never warrant a page. -- Jack Valenti is to the American film viewer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston") From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Sep 15 10:20:55 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to compile how to explications for gnus email In-Reply-To: <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Sat, 14 Sep 2002 13:16:17 -0700") References: <20020914200339.GB8772@eiv.com> <20020914201616.GB12573@zork.net> Message-ID: <878z23mao8.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: SM> And cars will drive themselves, and maybe, if we're all REALLY SM> lucky, food will come pre-chewed. MMaPRoSF> They used to. We called them "trains". d00d, I just bought a box of "train" at the local supermarket, and it was all foamy and mushy and tasted totally disgusting. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 15 14:26:24 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] But what color is it? Message-ID: <20020915212624.GB20482@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=search&StoryID=1446770 "Sex was first recognized in the fossil records more than 500 million years ago and the oldest known penis is about 100 million years old, a conference heard on Friday." - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2E+v8ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1z6ACff9pe0qRfI/elfvBtetNHWc89 jlcAnjr9cHkfuQEuDQqdlS4Z2kmtBkOt =w1TG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Sep 16 07:42:48 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Glossary for National Talk Like a Pirate Day Message-ID: <20020916144248.GA23545@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In case you need help: http://www.io.com/~sj/PirateTalk.html - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2F7egACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1QFgCfVf2v5sNWCaKeA4qMGP35CI+b vh8AoJaRcjarp6o9XNdWuoVAzSYBIoOb =UBqa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneakums at zork.net Mon Sep 16 08:15:37 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] holy pegged Bogometer, Batman! Message-ID: <6ubs6ym0di.fsf@zork.zork.net> http://www.bodacion.com/ > HYDRA contains everything needed to run a high performance Internet > site. Since HYDRA does not run Windows, UNIX, Mac OS, Linux, or any > embedded variants of these, it is not like any traditional server or > computer on the market today. Engineered using "Six Sigma" quality > standards, HYDRA is both crash-free and cannot be hacked into. http://www.bodacion.com/security.html > At the core of HYDRA's security features is a biomorphic technology > based on a field of mathematics called "Chaotic Dynamics." Using > Chaos Theory, HYDRA can generate special groups of characters called > Bodacions. Bodacions are impossible to guess, and never repeat. > > With these unique properties, Bodacions make perfect session ID's, > order numbers, customer ID's, cryptographic one-time pads, or any > number that needs to be unique, non-repeating, and difficult to > guess. HYDRA even uses this technology to scramble TCP sequence > numbers for increased network security. > > The math behind a Bodacion is so sophisticated that we bet that no > one could crack the code. To help prove this, Bodacion Technologies > offered $100,000 to the first person who could guess the 1000th > Bodacion given the previous 999. Even though over 200,000 > contestants took the challenge, no one has been able to crack the > Bodacion sequence. Boy, they must be *rilly*, *rilly* random! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From zen at zork.net Mon Sep 16 08:47:20 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Glossary for National Talk Like a Pirate Day In-Reply-To: <20020916144248.GA23545@eiv.com> References: <20020916144248.GA23545@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020916154720.GA2014@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon uuencoded stream: > In case you need help: > > http://www.io.com/~sj/PirateTalk.html In case you need help: http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 16 17:53:17 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> Oooh, you just got your fancy-pants INNURNET from the PHONE COMPANY, and so now you're DIALED INTO THE INNURNET and checkin yer EMAIL. And yer soooo happy that SBC gave your name to the OTHER SEVEN FUX0RZ. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- jyg08@sbcglobal.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 16 20:42:07 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > Oooh, you just got your fancy-pants INNURNET from the PHONE COMPANY, > and so now you're DIALED INTO THE INNURNET and checkin yer EMAIL. > And yer soooo happy that SBC gave your name to the OTHER SEVEN FUX0RZ. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > jyg08@sbcglobal.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- One of the kids in my high school had the nickname "SBC" It was an acronym regarding the firmness of genitalia (or lack thereof) within members of the family Ursidae. I never learned the story behind that one, and I never really felt the need to know. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9hqSMjLHcIq3dHxYRAiDRAJ9bA/MzMcO7i7vU8g8bJYRTQBpljgCgz1gx nK0s3ExZmZZtOMKJ/kk22uQ= =QTQA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Sep 16 23:52:31 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020917065231.GB5194@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:42:07PM -0500, Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin wrote: > > One of the kids in my high school had the nickname "SBC" It was an > acronym regarding the firmness of genitalia (or lack thereof) within > members of the family Ursidae. ^^^^^^^ ITYM "Bare." HTH. HAND. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 17 05:18:09 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020917065231.GB5194@dasbistro.com> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> <20020917065231.GB5194@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020917121809.GC9415@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Not Erik quotation: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2002 at 10:42:07PM -0500, Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin wrote: > > > > One of the kids in my high school had the nickname "SBC" It was an > > acronym regarding the firmness of genitalia (or lack thereof) within > > members of the family Ursidae. > ^^^^^^^ > > ITYM "Bare." HTH. HAND. Hey, who's telling the story here? That's right, not Not Erik. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9hx1/jLHcIq3dHxYRAv+2AJ4xexg5df9dTpdBALYwkNH00rYVMACdHPmv Bvh7joS0SSZoitqQSBiBPHA= =D+y2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simm at zork.net Tue Sep 17 07:39:24 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] You are cordially invited Message-ID: <20020917143924.GF13495@zork.net> http://www.defectiveyeti.com/iraqevite/ This will be a family event, so don't hesitate to bring the kids! -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Sep 17 10:22:14 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [vab@CRYPTNET.NET: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd)] Message-ID: <20020917172214.GA30146@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ----- Forwarded message from "V. Alex Brennen" ----- Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:13:42 -0400 From: "V. Alex Brennen" Subject: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd) To: LINUX-L@LISTS.UFL.EDU Reply-To: Platform Independent Linux List! OK, it's time to fork openSSH. Someone set up a FreeSSH website and send a bunch of gripes about Theo to the list. Feel free to copy from the BSD archive. - VAB - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Danforth To: bugtraq@securityfocus.com Subject: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep During authentication, OpenSSH 3.4p1 with privsep enabled passes the cleartext password from the main process to the privsep child using a pipe. Using strace or truss, root can see the user's plaintext password flying by. I observed this behavior from OpenSSH 3.4p1 built using GCC on Solaris 2.8 and the current Debian OpenSSH 3.4p1 package. Theo and Markus tell me that this is not an issue. Theo says that you cannot prevent root from determining a user's password. I don't disagree, but asked why OpenBSD bothers to encrypt user passwords at all if that is his attitude. The level of effort to determine cleartext passwords, for even the most inexperienced Unix administrator, is almost zero given the above. I realize that no matter how you slice it, it will be possible for root to grab the password from wherever it's stored in memory. Or recompile sshd to log the password, or any number of other ways. However, the methods I just mentioned all require someone with significantly more know how than: truss -fp `cat /var/run/sshd.pid` I'm not saying this is a bug, rather I thought it worthwhile to share with the community and let you all come to your own conclusions. Andrew - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2HZMYACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2sfgCg1TTm33ZTXSbNLd4/3ZGCtFd/ I1EAoP1jFyCueon2qKujMZKESLb33LNG =vSWi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Sep 17 10:50:02 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020917121809.GC9415@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> <20020917065231.GB5194@dasbistro.com> <20020917121809.GC9415@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020917175002.GC31181@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 07:18:09AM -0500, Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin wrote: > commence Not Erik quotation: > > > > ITYM "Bare." HTH. HAND. > > Hey, who's telling the story here? That's right, not Not Erik. You know when I said HTH, I have to admit I was lying. If the reanimated corpse of Abraham Lincoln pointed a revolver at me and ordered me to give a fraction of a shit whether I was helpful or not, I'd end up with a bullet in my head. Nothing personal. From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Sep 17 10:59:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [vab@CRYPTNET.NET: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd)] In-Reply-To: <20020917172214.GA30146@eiv.com> References: <20020917172214.GA30146@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200209171359.07471.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote of someone else who is unimportant for the purposes of this discussion: | OK, it's time to fork openSSH. Someone set up a FreeSSH website | and send a bunch of gripes about Theo to the list. Feel free to | copy from the BSD archive. oh yes! some real, old-time bsd-style bloodshed! (bsd is the name of the sicilian linux distributor; actually, *all* of them, though the most powerful is believed to be black hand, which is italian for red hat.) remember, not just the openssh people must be killed, but also all of their children and relatives, or they'll come back later and trick you into installing vulnerabilities. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Sep 17 15:15:47 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Zenon ruling stands Message-ID: I have just published a Greplaw report, stating that the Swedish Supreme Court will not try the appeal of Zenon Panoussis vs Church of Scientology. This means the ruling - where Mr Panoussis lost - from the Court of Appeals stands. Panoussis was found guilty of copyright infringement for publishing Scientology information online. Complete story: http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid=02/09/17/177235 _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 17 23:25:05 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: What the Fuck] Message-ID: <20020918062505.GP27955@zork.net> Uh, yeah. ----- Forwarded message from Ruben I Safir ----- Envelope-to: monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:14:20 -0400 From: Ruben I Safir To: monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org Cc: Don Marti Subject: What the Fuck X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.3 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none version=2.31 X-Spam-Level: Yo Homee Your stealing my quotes without giving me credit! I have a BSD license on this shit. <> -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 ----- End forwarded message ----- From ruben at mrbrklyn.com Tue Sep 17 23:53:33 2002 From: ruben at mrbrklyn.com (Ruben I Safir) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fwd: Re: What the Fuck The Sequal - Part II [ruben@mrbrklyn.com] In-Reply-To: <20020918023759.C18664@www2.mrbrklyn.com>; from ruben@mrbrklyn.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 02:37:59 -0400 References: <20020918021420.A18664@www2.mrbrklyn.com> <20020918023759.C18664@www2.mrbrklyn.com> Message-ID: <20020918025333.E18664@www2.mrbrklyn.com> On 2002.09.18 02:37 Ruben I Safir wrote: Ruben Safir Subject: [fairuse] Re: [fairuse-discuss] Re: Sims: The DMCA Does Not Limit Fair Use "At All" || 2002-08-08 || mesgno 1958 Well done. We have to keep hammering it just like that, line for line on these arguements, just as they are laid out. Jack Valenti and July 17th, Washington DC, Department of Commercie DRM Workshop: "A little Demagogary Never Hurt anyone" Jack agian in 1982: "The VCR is to Movies like the Boston Strangler to Young Women" Ruben Safir: President of NYLXS and Co-Founder of NY Fair Use August 2002: "Jack Valanti is to Private Ownership and Property as the Boston Strangler to the VCR" Jack Valenti again at the DRM Workshop: "If this body connot find a way to agree to find a way which will protect private property from Theft then we'll just have to go to Congress and get it done" Ruben Safir at the Press Conference after the Workshop: "I completely agree with Jack Valenti. Congress has to step in and protect our private property from theft. It's my damn disk, my damn computer. If someone breaks into my home and steals my computer and my DVD's, who calls the cops and files the police report? Me or Universal Pictures? DRM is Theft. Congress must pass a law which will protect the property of every owner of a computer and purchaser of Digital Information by outlawing anything which prevents the full enjoyment of their property. We don't need prior aproval of Warner Brothers, Jack Valenti, or Barry Sorkin to use our computers to augment our enjoyment of our property. There is no forced contract to a cash sale. Forcing a contract on the public which they didn't negotiate as equal partners is a form of slavery no free citizen can put up with. That's why we propose a New Fair Use Bill, one which guarantees that Copyright is secondary to the Constitutional Right of Security in ones Home and with one's pocessions. Because Copyright is secondary to my property rights in my home and Congress has to make it clear. If anyone should be forced into a license, then Bertleson should be forced to License to Listen.com. That's why we gave them the limited exclussive Monopoly in the first place, to make sure the material is published. If they don't want to publish, too bad, make them do it anyway or strip them of their Monopoly. How can we can we continue to expect to maintain a free society if we can't accumulate, copy and archive on our digital systems and information. How are we expected to be able to publish from annotated facts, with references to the original works when everything on the internet can expire or disapear. We have to be able to copy to archive. It's essential to our politcal speech, or for that matter our abilty to have party music mixed to our own enjoyment on Saturday Night." On 2002.09.18 02:14 Ruben I Safir wrote: > Yo Homee Your stealing my quotes without giving me credit! > > > I have a BSD license on this shit. > > > > > < as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone. > -- http://cryptome.org/hrcw-hear.htm (search for "Boston")>> > > > > > -- > __________________________ > > Brooklyn Linux Solutions > __________________________ > DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org > > http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting > http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives > http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn > http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software > http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... > http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... > > 1-718-382-5752 > > > > -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 -- __________________________ Brooklyn Linux Solutions __________________________ DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS http://www.nyfairuse.org http://www.mrbrklyn.com - Consulting http://www.nylxs.com/radio - Free Software Radio Show and Archives http://www.brooklynonline.com - For the love of Brooklyn http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software http://www.nyfairuse.org - The foundation of Democracy http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive or stories and articles from around the net http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/mp3/dr.mp3 - Imagine my surprise when I saw you... http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/downtown.html - See the New Downtown Brooklyn.... 1-718-382-5752 From montaigne at subdimension.com Tue Sep 17 19:12:05 2002 From: montaigne at subdimension.com (montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [vab@CRYPTNET.NET: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd)] Message-ID: <3d87e0f5.2922.1804289383@subdimension.com> > OK, it's time to fork openSSH. Someone set up a FreeSSH > website and send a bunch of gripes about Theo to the list. Isn't it amazing how, all of a sudden so it seems, there are so many individuals FAR more qualified than Mr. DeRaadt presenting themselves to the security community, and ready to take over the reins? I find this both wonderful and awe-inspiring. God Bless Us Each And Every One! montaigne _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com From sneakums at zork.net Wed Sep 18 05:41:27 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [vab@CRYPTNET.NET: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd)] In-Reply-To: <3d87e0f5.2922.1804289383@subdimension.com> ("montaigne"'s message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2002 02:12:05 GMT") References: <3d87e0f5.2922.1804289383@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <6usn07lbbc.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence montaigne quotation: > X-Mailer: WebMAIL to Mail Gateway v3.0h Great, and I'd just gotten Him off to sleep. Thanks a lot, fucknut! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From sneakums at zork.net Wed Sep 18 05:52:30 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven Message-ID: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Got a phobia about giant apocalyptic space weapons? Move to Berkeley, which has just banned them! http://www.peaceinspace.com/61744.html -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From montaigne at subdimension.com Wed Sep 18 06:30:51 2002 From: montaigne at subdimension.com (montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [vab@CRYPTNET.NET: OpenSSH 3.4p1 Privsep (fwd)] Message-ID: <3d88800b.30fd.1804289383@subdimension.com> > Great, and I'd just gotten Him off to sleep. Um....are we talking 'Him' as in sacred, divine, super-being? > Thanks a lot, fucknut! Um....ok. montaigne _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 18 12:18:27 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 01:52:30PM +0100 References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020918151827.A26223@as220.org> Sean Neakums looked into the void, and said: > X-Alameda: : WHY DOESN'T ANYONE KNOW ABOUT ALAMEDA? IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO > OAKLAND!!! alameda may have a few distinguishing characteristics ... (it's an island, its mayor killed himself a few days ago, it's a naval base, it has a "beach".) > Got a phobia about giant apocalyptic space weapons? Move to Berkeley, > which has just banned them! > > http://www.peaceinspace.com/61744.html this doesn't surprise me at all. berkeley does all sorts of weird things. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 18 12:59:04 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 01:52:30PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > Got a phobia about giant apocalyptic space weapons? Move to Berkeley, > which has just banned them! > > http://www.peaceinspace.com/61744.html Those godless Berkeley Liberals can have my Orbital Death Ray when they pry it from my cold dead hands! From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 18 14:48:54 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 12:59:04PM -0700 References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 01:52:30PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > > Got a phobia about giant apocalyptic space weapons? Move to Berkeley, > > which has just banned them! > > > > http://www.peaceinspace.com/61744.html > > Those godless Berkeley Liberals can have my Orbital Death Ray when > they pry it from my cold dead hands! I'm imagining a cold dead Not Erik clinging to the side of an Orbital Death Ray sixty kilometers above Berkeley. The Berkeley legislation is funny because it only outlaws space weaponry above the city, and recommends that other cities, states and nations follow Berkeley's lead. It would be even more interesting if there was any mention of a penalty for violating the municipal ordinance -- perhaps a million-dollar fine to be levied against governments who violate Berkeley's weapon-free airspace. I'd love to see them drag the Pentagon into court over this. Also, the peaceinspace.com homepage mentions that Canadia is considering similar legislation. That would be far more interesting, especially given the limited tactical use of the atmosphere above the Bay area. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From henrik at enberg.org Wed Sep 18 14:27:59 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:48:54 -0400") References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> Message-ID: <87sn072dk0.fsf@enberg.org> Matt Obert writes: > Also, the peaceinspace.com homepage mentions that Canadia > is considering similar legislation. That would be far more > interesting, especially given the limited tactical use of > the atmosphere above the Bay area. As opposed to the atmosphere ofer Canadia? Why would anyone need a space nuke there? To fry moose? -- Yo mama's so nasty, I called her up for phone sex and she gave me an ear infection. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 18 14:49:24 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020918214924.GB28781@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 05:48:54PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > I'm imagining a cold dead Not Erik clinging to the side of > an Orbital Death Ray sixty kilometers above Berkeley. Funny thing: That's exactly how Miss Cleo said it would happen. > The Berkeley legislation is funny because it only outlaws > space weaponry above the city, and recommends that other > cities, states and nations follow Berkeley's lead. It > would be even more interesting if there was any mention of > a penalty for violating the municipal ordinance -- perhaps > a million-dollar fine to be levied against governments who > violate Berkeley's weapon-free airspace. I'd love to see > them drag the Pentagon into court over this. Yes. I'd love to see this. Berkeley demands that the USA remove the ortillery from its sovereign airspace. The US government views this as an act of secession and levels it, Ruby Ridge-style. Maybe they'll get a live-fire test of the orbital nukes. > Also, the peaceinspace.com homepage mentions that Canadia > is considering similar legislation. That would be far more > interesting, especially given the limited tactical use of > the atmosphere above the Bay area. We don't need orbital nukes against Canadia. We have "friendly fire." From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 18 15:06:55 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918214924.GB28781@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Not Erik wrote: > > Yes. I'd love to see this. Berkeley demands that the USA remove the > ortillery from its sovereign airspace. > > The US government views this as an act of secession and levels it, > Ruby Ridge-style. But then they would lose Lawrence Berkeley Labs, and that would be a bad thing. Although I wouldn't care because I would be a pile of dust at University and MLK. From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 18 17:01:54 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <87sn072dk0.fsf@enberg.org>; from henrik@enberg.org on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 11:27:59PM +0200 References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> <87sn072dk0.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020918200154.A29108@as220.org> Henrik Enberg looked into the void, and said: > Matt Obert writes: > > > Also, the peaceinspace.com homepage mentions that Canadia > > is considering similar legislation. That would be far more > > interesting, especially given the limited tactical use of > > the atmosphere above the Bay area. > > As opposed to the atmosphere ofer Canadia? Why would anyone need a > space nuke there? To fry moose? Canadia is huge, man. It's adjacent to the USA on its south side, but it's also adjacent to northern Europe and Asia, if you care to fly over the North Pole. If Canadia really outlawed weaponry in space, it would put a legal barrier between murderous Merkins and possible targets in Russia, for example -- or Mongolia, or China. http://www.peaceinspace.com/L3-press-canada.html I'm not suggesting that our military actually cares about international law, or even that aiming space weapons at Asia is strategically useful. Just noticing that Canadia is a heck of a lot bigger than Berkeley, that's all. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Sep 18 15:48:39 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > The Berkeley legislation is funny because it only outlaws space > weaponry above the city, and recommends that other cities, states > and nations follow Berkeley's lead. It would be even more > interesting if there was any mention of a penalty for violating the > municipal ordinance -- perhaps a million-dollar fine to be levied > against governments who violate Berkeley's weapon-free airspace. I'd > love to see them drag the Pentagon into court over this. Berkeley has always enacted legislation implementing foreign policy. I think it's actually against federal law for them to do so, but they do it anyway. From montaigne at subdimension.com Wed Sep 18 16:53:57 2002 From: montaigne at subdimension.com (montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven Message-ID: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com> > I'd love to see them drag the Pentagon into court over > this. > modus@as220.org Sure, you and all the other crunchy-granola proto-soccer-mom exiles from the East Side and Brown who hang out at as220. Sure. You probably thought Buddy got what he had coming to him. And you think Myrth is actually going to change things. Yeah right. montaigne _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Sep 18 17:00:44 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: What the Fuck] In-Reply-To: <20020918062505.GP27955@zork.net> References: <20020918062505.GP27955@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020919000044.GA8441@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:25:05PM -0700: > Uh, yeah. Can you set Reply-To to point to the list, please????? -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 18 17:04:48 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com> References: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020919000448.GC28781@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 11:53:57PM +0000, montaigne wrote: > Sure, you and all the other crunchy-granola proto-soccer-mom > exiles from the East Side and Brown who hang out at as220. > Sure. You probably thought Buddy got what he had coming to > him. And you think Myrth is actually going to change things. > Yeah right. Was Buddy the little dog that got thrown into oncoming traffic? Because that's totally right. Fucking poodles or whatever. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 18 17:07:39 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: What the Fuck] In-Reply-To: <20020919000044.GA8441@zgp.org> References: <20020918062505.GP27955@zork.net> <20020919000044.GA8441@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020919000739.GD28781@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 05:00:44PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Tue, Sep 17, 2002 at 11:25:05PM -0700: > > Can you set Reply-To to point to the list, please????? Yeah, and stop screwing up my WebTV with your X headers!! From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Sep 18 17:17:47 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020919000448.GC28781@dasbistro.com> References: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com> <20020919000448.GC28781@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200209182017.47308.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Not Erik's quote: | On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 11:53:57PM +0000, montaigne wrote: | > Sure, you and all the other crunchy-granola proto-soccer-mom | > exiles from the East Side and Brown who hang out at as220. | > Sure. You probably thought Buddy got what he had coming to | > him. And you think Myrth is actually going to change things. | > Yeah right. | | Was Buddy the little dog that got thrown into oncoming traffic? yes, though a big dog -- the kind that spends all its time sniffing your crotch. which is why clinton bought or stole him in the first place. also the mayor of providence, who just got sent to jail. different organisms, however. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 18 17:21:50 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: References: <20020918214924.GB28781@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020919002150.GE28781@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 03:06:55PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > > Although I wouldn't care because I would be a pile of dust at University > and MLK. That's the spirit! From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 18 17:42:50 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020919002150.GE28781@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Not Erik wrote: > On Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 03:06:55PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > > > > Although I wouldn't care because I would be a pile of dust at University > > and MLK. > > That's the spirit! They'll just replace me in the next episode. From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Sep 18 19:11:39 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020919021139.GA15786@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > Berkeley has always enacted legislation implementing foreign policy. US OUT OF BERKELEY. FREE THE BERKELEY 103,000. RESIDENT PARKING ONLY. -- Cheers, "I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate Rick Moen those who do. And, for the people who like country music, rick@linuxmafia.com denigrate means 'put down'." -- Bob Newhart From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 18 23:49:49 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com>; from montaigne@subdimension.com on Wed, Sep 18, 2002 at 11:53:57PM +0000 References: <3d891215.5726.1804289383@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020919024949.B32290@as220.org> montaigne looked into the void, and said: > > I'd love to see them drag the Pentagon into court over > > this. > > > modus@as220.org > > Sure, you and all the other crunchy-granola proto-soccer-mom > exiles from the East Side and Brown who hang out at as220. > Sure. You probably thought Buddy got what he had coming to > him. And you think Myrth is actually going to change things. > Yeah right. > > montaigne "Berkeley v. Pentagon" -- that's just funny. Do I think it will change anything? No. But it *is* hilarious. "Buddy" -- well, that's a tough one. Even though I live in downtown Providence, I think this is the first time anyone has asked me what I think about Buddy's sentencing. On the one hand, he was a great mayor, and he was found guilty of "conspiracy" -- i.e. the knowledge that others were taking bribes -- but not of taking bribes himself. Then again, he isn't in jail. (Maybe soon, if he doesn't flee the country to live in exile in Canadia.) So did he "[get] what he had coming to him?" Not yet. Or does he deserve any punishment at all? It is a matter of opinion, and the court's opinion seems to be fairly lenient, considering the charges ... on the other hand, what's the story with the mayor of Alameda offing himself, anyway? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? "Myrth" -- yeah, I'll probably vote for Myrth. But ... she loses every time, doesn't she? And leave the crunchy-granola out of this. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From junasts at subdimension.com Thu Sep 19 03:06:12 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail! Message-ID: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> I just wanted to wish everyone a bon Jour de Travail. -- Last Judgement Samuel -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From junasts at subdimension.com Thu Sep 19 02:30:04 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Wed, 18 Sep 2002 15:48:39 -0700") References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <8765x2fhsz.fsf@subdimension.com> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> Berkeley has always enacted legislation implementing MMaPRoSF> foreign policy. I think it's actually against federal MMaPRoSF> law for them to do so, but they do it anyway. It's a separation-of-powers thing. It'd be pretty cool if the feds sent in troops to every municipality that adopted a sister city or had a taxpayer-supported party for a visiting foreign dignitary. -- Last Judgement Samuel -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Sep 19 07:00:32 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail! In-Reply-To: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com>; from junasts@subdimension.com on Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:06:12PM +0200 References: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020919080032.A23394@sakima.ivy.net> bon Jour de Travail to you, too, canuck swine! From sneakums at zork.net Thu Sep 19 07:05:58 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail! In-Reply-To: <20020919080032.A23394@sakima.ivy.net> (Miles Nordin's message of "Thu, 19 Sep 2002 08:00:32 -0600") References: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> <20020919080032.A23394@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <6ud6rakrax.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Miles Nordin quotation: > bon Jour de Travail to you, too, canuck swine! Okay Mr. French Name, prove you're not a Quebecistani agitator! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Why take it to the max [|] | when you can take it to the mean? \ | From junasts at subdimension.com Thu Sep 19 07:24:46 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail! In-Reply-To: <6ud6rakrax.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Thu, 19 Sep 2002 15:05:58 +0100") References: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> <20020919080032.A23394@sakima.ivy.net> <6ud6rakrax.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87fzw6vyz5.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: MN> bon Jour de Travail to you, too, canuck swine! SN> Okay Mr. French Name, prove you're not a Quebecistani SN> agitator! Yes, Meals Norrrdang, you sound pretty Frahnshe to me. I suspect you of being a citoyen! View the Phrygian cap and the liberty cabbage! J'accuse! -- Last Judgement Samuel P.S. I would really love a Phrygian cap, by the way. -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Sep 19 08:46:30 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: What the Fuck] In-Reply-To: <20020919000044.GA8441@zgp.org> References: <20020918062505.GP27955@zork.net> <20020919000044.GA8441@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020919154630.GA31575@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > > > Uh, yeah. > > Can you set Reply-To to point to the list, please????? If you wanna set your Reply-To to point to the list, you got Mutt, you can do that. Please leave my Reply-To alone, however. Thanks. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2J8VUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2/rQCfeDTwSg1o5WthrvN6VE/Wt6rg NlEAniwovcTNLNvsxunT3g1bSNKYVtZH =PWXE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Sep 19 09:14:02 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [ruben@mrbrklyn.com: What the Fuck] In-Reply-To: <20020919154630.GA31575@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Sep 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > Can you set Reply-To to point to the list, please????? > > If you wanna set your Reply-To to point to the list, you got Mutt, you > can do that. > > Please leave my Reply-To alone, however. Thanks. You're such a sucker for a troll From jv at zork.net Thu Sep 19 12:04:10 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: Shalom [junasts@subdimension.com: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail!] In-Reply-To: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020919190410.GB26625@zork.net> begin Last Judgement Samuel quotation: > I just wanted to wish everyone a bon Jour de Travail. Speaking of the like, I got pretty Kipper'd this last weekend. -jv From sam at dasbistro.com Thu Sep 19 22:05:31 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Travail! In-Reply-To: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> References: <87n0qee1ka.fsf@subdimension.com> Message-ID: <20020920050531.GA5749@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Sep 19, 2002 at 12:06:12PM +0200, Last Judgement Samuel wrote: > I just wanted to wish everyone a bon Jour de Travail. > Well where the hell is my sortilege? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From junasts at subdimension.com Fri Sep 20 00:30:58 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bon Jour de Raison Message-ID: <87u1klrubx.fsf@subdimension.com> I just wanted to wish everyone a happy Jour de Raison. -- Last Judgement Samuel P.S. Does anyone know if there are still Temples of Reason around anywhere? I'd like to go pay my respects. -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Sep 20 05:30:09 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement Message-ID: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/20/international/europe/20VIRU.html?todaysheadlines The police have arrested a 21-year-old man suspected of writing a virus, known as T0rn, that attacked Linux computer systems, a spokesman for Scotland Yard said today. American and British authorities had been investigating the virus for a year. Officers from Scotland Yard arrested the man on Tuesday at his home in Surbiton, southwest of London. "Computer equipment was seized from a residential property and a 21-year-old man was arrested under the Computer Misuse Act 1990," the spokesman said, adding that the man was released on bail pending further investigation. The police did not immediately identify the man. The arrest of virus writers is a rare victory for law enforcement, and the police hailed this case as an important step. T0rn, which later was modified by a Chinese virus-writing group to form another virus known as Lion, circulated for much of 2001 but did relatively little harm. Computer security experts consider T0rn to be the first Trojan horse-style virus - meaning it masquerades as legitimate software - written expressly to harm Linux users. T0rn, with a zero, was not as menacing as the Code Red, Sircam and Nimda worms and viruses, which caused hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to corporate computer networks last year. Linux-based software systems account for a small segment of the computing market. "As far as I recall, it never appeared on any of our top 10 most active virus lists," said Graham Cluley, senior technical consultant at the British anti-virus software maker Sophos. Nevertheless, the law enforcement and computer security communities regard the arrest as significant. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Sep 20 08:03:57 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> Quoting dep (dep@linuxandmain.com): > http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/20/international/europe/20VIRU.html?todaysheadlines > > The police have arrested a 21-year-old man suspected of writing a > virus, known as T0rn.... ^^^^^ _Rootkit._ It's a set of trojaned replacements for du, find, ifconfig, in.fingerd, login, ls, netstat, ps, sz, and top -- designed to be installed on (of course) Red Hat systems, circa 6.1. No more, no less. > ...that attacked Linux computer systems.... ^^^^^^^^ And of course a rootkit doesn't "attack" anything. Its the means an intruder uses to conceal his presence after breakin via other means entirely. After these initial blunders, the rest of the article is clueless and useless, other than giving the facts of an arrest. Blame some uncredited Reuters staffer. > T0rn, which later was modified by a Chinese virus-writing group to > form another virus known as Lion.... 1. No, it wasn't. 2. It came _later_ than T0rn. 3. The name is technically "1i0n", not Lion -- taken from one of the included shell scripts, 1i0n.sh. 4. 1i0n was basically a script-driven worm for the kiddies to use, not a rootkit, designed to exploit a buffer overflow in ancient, unpatched versions of BIND 8.x. Some variants _included_ a copy of T0rn. > Computer security experts consider T0rn to be the first Trojan > horse-style virus - meaning it masquerades as legitimate software - > written expressly to harm Linux users. Unnamed computer experts have thereby confessed themselves to be completely clueless in their supposed area of expertise. > "As far as I recall, it never appeared on any of our top 10 most > active virus lists," said Graham Cluley, senior technical consultant > at the British anti-virus software maker Sophos. That's because a rootkit isn't a virus! Arrgh! Can't these people get _anything_ right? Sad, sad. Very sad. -- Cheers, "Linux means never having to delete your love mail." Rick Moen -- Don Marti rick@linuxmafia.com From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Sep 20 10:02:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] this is getting serious Message-ID: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> not to toot my own site's horn here, but amd has jumped on the palladium bandwagon, suggesting among other things that they think hollings will win in the end: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 i do not think very many people understand how this can (and will) blow everybody that isn't microsoft out of the water. i mean, yeah, it will take down pine, but it will take down the rest of the forest, too. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Sep 20 10:20:19 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] this is getting serious In-Reply-To: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020920172019.GB30138@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 01:02:07PM -0400, dep wrote: > not to toot my own site's horn here, but amd has jumped on the > palladium bandwagon, suggesting among other things that they think > hollings will win in the end: > > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 > > i do not think very many people understand how this can (and will) > blow everybody that isn't microsoft out of the water. i mean, yeah, > it will take down pine, but it will take down the rest of the forest, > too. They can take away my Linux when they pry the Orbital Death Ray from my cold dead hands! From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Sep 20 10:47:39 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] this is getting serious In-Reply-To: <20020920172019.GB30138@dasbistro.com> References: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920172019.GB30138@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200209201347.39473.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Not Erik's quote: | They can take away my Linux when they pry the Orbital Death Ray | from my cold dead hands! you do realize, of course, that they could move to berkeley and be safe. they would use jerry brown as a more-or-less-human shield. it's easy to dispatch a black helicopter to oakland. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 20 10:54:05 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:03:57AM -0700: > That's because a rootkit isn't a virus! Arrgh! Can't these people get > _anything_ right? Sad, sad. Very sad. You doofus! Everybody knows that there are fewer viruses for Linux just because Linux isn't popular. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Sep 20 12:11:55 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:56 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <1032549116.7884.182716.camel@amory> On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 18:48, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Berkeley has always enacted legislation implementing foreign > policy. I think it's actually against federal law for them to do so, > but they do it anyway. Brooklyn has an executive order forbidding the Orbital Death Ray from leaving its airspace. There's no indication the feds plan to comply. From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Sep 20 14:44:00 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Marti Marti Marti Message-ID: A brief pick of Don Marti's brain: http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/0435210 M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 20 14:51:27 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Marti Marti Marti In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020920215127.GB25377@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > A brief pick of Don Marti's brain: > http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/0435210 Complete with amazon.com link! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mikael at pawlo.com Fri Sep 20 15:04:14 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Marti Marti Marti In-Reply-To: <20020920215127.GB25377@zork.net> References: Message-ID: At 14.51 -0700 02-09-20, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: >begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >> A brief pick of Don Marti's brain: >> http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid=02/09/20/0435210 >Complete with amazon.com link! You should win a prize. Actually I just put it there to see if anyone noticed .-) At Gnuheter I would have a comment in five minutes, at Slashdot in less than one. At Greplaw, the story has been there for the whole day and no comment until the Crackmonkey submission. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 20 15:30:42 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Marti Marti Marti In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020920223042.GB12415@zgp.org> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation of Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 12:04:14AM +0200: > At Gnuheter I would have a comment in five minutes, at Slashdot in less > than one. At Greplaw, the story has been there for the whole day and no > comment until the Crackmonkey submission. Where are my Swedish fanboys? I feel so _used_. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From pgl at yoyo.org Fri Sep 20 18:46:50 2002 From: pgl at yoyo.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> On Sep 20, Don Marti wrote: > begin Rick Moen quotation of Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 08:03:57AM -0700: > > > That's because a rootkit isn't a virus! Arrgh! Can't these people get > > _anything_ right? Sad, sad. Very sad. > > You doofus! Everybody knows that there are fewer viruses for Linux > just because Linux isn't popular. And because it's virus-proof! -- The Czech Republic: Home of the world's finest beer. Litres drunk by Czechs so far this year: 1,182,441,317.48 - http://prague.tv/toys/beer/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 20 19:18:53 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> Message-ID: <20020921021852.GH25377@zork.net> begin Peter Lowe quotation: > > You doofus! Everybody knows that there are fewer viruses for > > Linux just because Linux isn't popular. > > And because it's virus-proof! Don't you have an old city to dry out or something? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Sep 20 19:45:35 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org>; from pgl@yoyo.org on Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:46:50AM +0100 References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> Message-ID: <20020920204535.A9473@sakima.ivy.net> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 02:46:50AM +0100, Peter Lowe wrote: > And because it's virus-proof! but are you offering $100,000 to the first guy to write a Linux virus like those Bogashion guys? I bet you don't even have $100,000, unlike Hydra Enterprise Server Solutions Inc., so shut up. -- 02:32:08.671875 170.206.224.7 > 10.136.202.94: icmp: host 198.32.64.12 unreachable - admin prohibited filter From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 20 19:46:03 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020920204535.A9473@sakima.ivy.net> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> <20020920204535.A9473@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <20020921024602.GI25377@zork.net> begin Trolldozer for Hire quotation: > -- > 02:32:08.671875 170.206.224.7 > 10.136.202.94: icmp: host 198.32.64.12 unreachable - admin prohibited filter Wrap your goddamn .sig, freak. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Sep 20 19:48:42 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <20020921021852.GH25377@zork.net> References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> <20020921021852.GH25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <1032576523.7884.202129.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-09-20 at 22:18, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Peter Lowe quotation: > > And because it's virus-proof! > > Don't you have an old city to dry out or something? The Czech Republic: Home of the world's finest beer. Litres drunk by Czechs so far this year: 1,182,441,317.48 Apparently, even before the flood. From modus at as220.org Fri Sep 20 23:14:24 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement In-Reply-To: <1032576523.7884.202129.camel@amory>; from ron@vnetworx.net on Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 10:48:42PM -0400 References: <200209200830.09773.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020920150357.GM27180@linuxmafia.com> <20020920175405.GA9041@zgp.org> <20020921014650.GA22171@yoyo.org> <20020921021852.GH25377@zork.net> <1032576523.7884.202129.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020921021424.A26803@as220.org> Hey ron@vnetworx.net: Subject: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] news from law enforcement From: Subjugator "of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror "of Long Island Fix them quotes, bee-yatch! -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From nick at zork.net Fri Sep 20 23:34:01 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020921063401.GK25377@zork.net> NO CLAVICLES ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ricardo_nassif@terra.com.br has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mike at embody.org Sat Sep 21 09:24:52 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] finally, a safe haven In-Reply-To: <1032549116.7884.182716.camel@amory> References: <6uofavlasx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020918195904.GB25712@dasbistro.com> <20020918174854.A27959@as220.org> <20020918224839.GI25377@zork.net> <1032549116.7884.182716.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020921162450.GA21596@eber.embody.org> begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation: > Brooklyn has an executive order forbidding the Orbital Death Ray from > leaving its airspace. There's no indication the feds plan to comply. I somehow doubt that; the CEO has been too busy trolling my local LUG's mailing list to issue any executive orders. -md From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Sep 20 14:32:13 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin's message of "Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:42:07 -0500") References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "oompotdasow" == Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin writes: oompotdasow> It was an acronym regarding the firmness of the oompotdasow> genitalia BE MORE SPECIFIC. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sat Sep 21 17:59:17 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020922005916.GE12088@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Trolldozer quotation: > >>>>> "oompotdasow" == Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin writes: > > oompotdasow> It was an acronym regarding the firmness of the > oompotdasow> genitalia > > BE MORE SPECIFIC. If I do that, Shawn McMahon will just make orange dick jokes. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9jRXjjLHcIq3dHxYRAr4fAJ9Vc/kz0GaAHTpMnNU7V5opQEcImACePVQ/ +DIwXamxh+6sG2UpLUL4DnE= =MvXi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Sep 21 20:14:47 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? Message-ID: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> What happened to that montaigne guy, who seemed to know so much about Providence? -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Sep 21 20:25:34 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <200209212325.34514.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Bob Bernstein's quote: | What happened to that montaigne guy, who seemed to know so much | about Providence? you mean patches? headed off to the airport, i think. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carlos at laviola.org Sat Sep 21 21:42:44 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020921063401.GK25377@zork.net> References: <20020921063401.GK25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020922044244.GA1201@laviola.org> On Fri, Sep 20, 2002 at 11:34:01PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > NO CLAVICLES Who? -- Carlos Laviola From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Sep 21 22:03:48 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: <200209212325.34514.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> <200209212325.34514.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020922050348.GA6696@callisto.jtan.com> On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 11:25:34PM -0400, dep wrote: > you mean patches? headed off to the airport, i think. 'Patches?' That's Howie Carr's nickname for Patrick Kennedy. You don't think he's on this list, do you?! -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From ashankar at nls.ac.in Sat Sep 21 23:26:48 2002 From: ashankar at nls.ac.in (Aniruddha Shankar) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ahh the sheer terror Message-ID: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> First post to lkml --- specified everything but the waist size of my roommate for fear of leaving out relevant info :) aniruddha shankar bangalore, india p.s. my scrotum has retracted itself into my body. it's now near my... adam's apple *sigh* From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Sep 21 23:59:31 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ahh the sheer terror In-Reply-To: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> References: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> Message-ID: <20020922065931.GA8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:56:48AM +0530, Aniruddha Shankar wrote: > p.s. my scrotum has retracted itself into my body. it's now near my... > adam's apple d00D. Any way you can get a few ounces of whatever you're smoking over to me here in the States? -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From ashankar at nls.ac.in Sun Sep 22 00:08:26 2002 From: ashankar at nls.ac.in (Aniruddha Shankar) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ahh the sheer terror In-Reply-To: <20020922065931.GA8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> <20020922065931.GA8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <1032678506.31529.16.camel@twentyfive.complab> On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 12:29, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:56:48AM +0530, Aniruddha Shankar wrote: > > > p.s. my scrotum has retracted itself into my body. it's now near my... > > adam's apple > > d00D. Any way you can get a few ounces of whatever you're smoking over > to me here in the States? ... can't ty[r... uurghh > -- > Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey From adam at flounder.net Sun Sep 22 00:02:15 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ahh the sheer terror In-Reply-To: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> References: <1032676009.31536.2.camel@twentyfive.complab> Message-ID: <20020922070215.GM13683@flounder.net> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:56:48AM +0530, Aniruddha Shankar wrote: > p.s. my scrotum has retracted itself into my body. it's now near my... > adam's apple GET YOUR SCROTUM AWAY FROM MY APPLE. --Adam From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 22 03:32:28 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: <20020922050348.GA6696@callisto.jtan.com>; from rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us on Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 01:03:48AM -0400 References: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> <200209212325.34514.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020922050348.GA6696@callisto.jtan.com> Message-ID: <20020922063228.A4730@as220.org> Bob Bernstein looked into the void, and said: > On Sat, Sep 21, 2002 at 11:25:34PM -0400, dep wrote: > > > you mean patches? headed off to the airport, i think. > > 'Patches?' That's Howie Carr's nickname for Patrick Kennedy. You don't > think he's on this list, do you?! No, but Shawn Wallace (http://apocabilly.org) once checked in to a Macworld Expo as Patrick Kennedy. We still have the nametag around the AS220 office somewhere. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 22 06:52:24 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922005916.GE12088@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> <20020922005916.GE12088@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020922135224.GK22884@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Overlord of Minnesota Protector of the Dakotas and Subjugator of Wisconsin quotation: > > If I do that, Shawn McMahon will just make orange dick jokes. Nah; number 2 child born Wednesday, I'm way too busy for orange dick jokes. Go ahead, I'll let the setups go by this time. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2NyxcACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3UjgCdEdbowtf4txG0AAYLbONI7lTP AUEAniv8O2KP9YFgijXlDZ92CNTIWfJn =+tWL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 22 06:53:41 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Marti Marti Marti In-Reply-To: <20020920223042.GB12415@zgp.org> References: <20020920223042.GB12415@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020922135341.GL22884@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > > Where are my Swedish fanboys? I feel so _used_. ITYM "unused". HTH. HAND. YDIO. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2Ny2QACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1NTgCgiJYeG73UjR4HWIFcTcDGGnJO WWcAmweJVgBopyfLZ1SsOAGXVC3LTFnB =NwOx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From junasts at subdimension.com Sun Sep 22 08:51:32 2002 From: junasts at subdimension.com (Last Judgement Samuel) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy New Year!! Message-ID: <87u1kit43f.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> It's 1 Vendemiaire! Happy Revolutionary New Year, Citoyens! -- Last Judgement Samuel -- +++ Last Judgement Samuel + junasts@subdimension.com + 0x8D3E92DE +++ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 22 08:52:41 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: <20020922063228.A4730@as220.org> References: <1032664487.3d8d35a721656@mail.spamcop.net> <200209212325.34514.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020922050348.GA6696@callisto.jtan.com> <20020922063228.A4730@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020922155241.GC8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 06:32:28AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > No, but Shawn Wallace (http://apocabilly.org) once checked > in to a Macworld Expo as Patrick Kennedy. We still have > the nametag around the AS220 office somewhere. That's a fascinating story, Matt; thank you for sharing it with all of us! So, I take it you did not care to indulge in any back-channel chatter with the elusive montaigne? -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From zen at zork.net Sun Sep 22 11:30:50 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922135224.GK22884@eiv.com> References: <20020917005317.GM27955@zork.net> <20020917034207.GB9415@8ball.wox.org> <20020922005916.GE12088@8ball.wox.org> <20020922135224.GK22884@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020922183050.GA10706@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon uuencoded stream: > Nah; number 2 child born Wednesday, I'm way too busy for orange dick > jokes. Go ahead, I'll let the setups go by this time. ... -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Sun Sep 22 11:44:02 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: <20020922063228.A4730@as220.org> Message-ID: On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Matt Obert wrote: > No, but Shawn Wallace (http://apocabilly.org) once checked > in to a Macworld Expo as Patrick Kennedy. We still have > the nametag around the AS220 office somewhere. http://shawn.apocabilly.org/images/bookcover.gif ^^^ ha ha programming web graphics From nick at zork.net Sun Sep 22 12:26:34 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> Gone gone gone! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- doom@nic0.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. montaigne@subdimension.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 22 13:32:59 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 12:26:34PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Gone gone gone! > montaigne@subdimension.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. I received this from montaigne: --- snip --- From: "montaigne" Reply-to: montaigne@subdimension.com To: Bob Bernstein , crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org Subject: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? X-Mailer: WebMAIL to Mail Gateway v3.0h Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:54:33 GMT Message-id: <3d8de7b9.3000.1804289383@subdimension.com> > What happened to that montaigne guy, who seemed to know so > much about Providence? I'm here. It seems I have been banned from posting on the list, and I can't get any explanation as to why from the moderator. Hmph. So much for "Free" Software, huh? _____________________________________________________________________ // free anonymous email || forums \\ subZINE || anonymous browsing subDIMENSION -- http://www.subdimension.com --- snip --- I encouraged him to pursue the matter with monkeymaster, but apparently he fell into a fit of despond, and fled. -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From sneakums at zork.net Sun Sep 22 13:41:56 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:32:59 -0400") References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <6uznu9iwob.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence montaigne quotation: > I'm here. It seems I have been banned from posting on the list, and > I can't get any explanation as to why from the moderator. It's not all about you, sweetie. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 13:54:00 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <6uznu9iwob.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6uznu9iwob.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020922205400.GT25377@zork.net> begin Sean Neakums quotation: > commence montaigne quotation: > > > I'm here. It seems I have been banned from posting on the list, and > > I can't get any explanation as to why from the moderator. > > It's not all about you, sweetie. He unsubscribed! Duh. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Sun Sep 22 14:16:31 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020922211631.GA22562@odinnet.ath.cx> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 04:32:59PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 12:26:34PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > Gone gone gone! > > > montaigne@subdimension.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > I received this from montaigne: > > > From: "montaigne" > Reply-to: montaigne@subdimension.com > To: Bob Bernstein , crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org > Subject: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? > X-Mailer: WebMAIL to Mail Gateway v3.0h > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:54:33 GMT > Message-id: <3d8de7b9.3000.1804289383@subdimension.com> > > > What happened to that montaigne guy, who seemed to know so > > much about Providence? > > I'm here. It seems I have been banned from posting on the > list, and I can't get any explanation as to why from the > moderator. > > Hmph. So much for "Free" Software, huh? This reminds me of the Rob Levin "Open Source, Open Wallets" campaign. Plus, it's not Free as in the English meaning of the word, but rather the French 'libre,' meaning roughly "STFU or I'll punch your lights out, fagot". -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From sneakums at zork.net Sun Sep 22 14:30:16 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922211631.GA22562@odinnet.ath.cx> (Erik Bourget's message of "Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:16:31 -0400") References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020922211631.GA22562@odinnet.ath.cx> Message-ID: <6uvg4xiufr.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Erik Bourget quotation: > Plus, it's not Free as in the English meaning of the word, but > rather the French 'libre,' meaning roughly "STFU or I'll punch your > lights out, fagot". ITYM "fageau". -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Sep 22 14:46:21 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <1032731182.7835.323844.camel@amory> On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 16:32, Bob Bernstein wrote: > From: "montaigne" [snip] > > I'm here. It seems I have been banned from posting on the > list, and I can't get any explanation as to why from the > moderator. > > Hmph. So much for "Free" Software, huh? Yawn. What's "Free" about NetWin WebMail? http://www.netwinsite.com/prices_cwmail.htm#code_webmail Doesn't look free, or Free, or libburated or any of them other things to me. ITIHBT. I'm bored. Time to lob more encrypted DVDs into Brooklyn so I can watch the CEO shoot them down with the Orbital Death Ray. From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 22 16:55:58 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <1032731182.7835.323844.camel@amory>; from ron@vnetworx.net on Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 05:46:21PM -0400 References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <1032731182.7835.323844.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020922195558.A17755@as220.org> "Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island" looked into the void, and said: > > Hmph. So much for "Free" Software, huh? > > Yawn. What's "Free" about NetWin WebMail? > > http://www.netwinsite.com/prices_cwmail.htm#code_webmail I found the "free" part of the $485 "unlimited" NetWin: "upgrades (if any) FREE for 12 months!" So their "unlimited" licenses actually come with restrictions. And of course, it's closed source. Case closed. Their employees may or may not release any upgrades -- in contrast to Free/OSS projects, where you can roll your own "upgrade" if you're so inclined. Where can I get one? > Doesn't look free, or Free, or libburated or any of them other things to > me. ITIHBT. I'm bored. Time to lob more encrypted DVDs into Brooklyn so > I can watch the CEO shoot them down with the Orbital Death Ray. I heard that Berkeley was planning to outlaw encrypted DVDs in the airspace for sixty kilometers above the city. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 22 17:00:47 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Whither montaigne? In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 11:44:02AM -0700 References: <20020922063228.A4730@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020922200047.B17755@as220.org> #2 of Berkeley looked into the void, and said: > On Sun, 22 Sep 2002, Matt Obert wrote: > > > No, but Shawn Wallace (http://apocabilly.org) once checked > > in to a Macworld Expo as Patrick Kennedy. We still have > > the nametag around the AS220 office somewhere. > > http://shawn.apocabilly.org/images/bookcover.gif > ^^^ > ha ha programming web graphics Ouch, you are 100% correct. I've tried to preach to Shawn about the .gif thing. His book ain't too bad, though. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From jdub at perkypants.org Sun Sep 22 15:44:37 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Skeet This! In-Reply-To: <20020922195558.A17755@as220.org> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <1032731182.7835.323844.camel@amory> <20020922195558.A17755@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020922224437.GC8660@perkypants.org> > I heard that Berkeley was planning to outlaw encrypted DVDs in the > airspace for sixty kilometers above the city. Hmph. There goes my skeet shooting expedition. I'll have to take out some students instead. - Jeff -- From babaracus at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 17:29:28 2002 From: babaracus at bellsouth.net (babaracus@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] quit yo' jibbajabba! Message-ID: <20020923002928.YNHT26549.imf26bis.bellsouth.net@localhost> you foo's are crazier than murdock! -- B.A. From nick at zork.net Sun Sep 22 17:31:07 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020923003107.GZ25377@zork.net> Montaigne returns? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- babaracus@bellsouth.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 17:35:04 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] quit yo' jibbajabba! In-Reply-To: <20020923002928.YNHT26549.imf26bis.bellsouth.net@localhost> References: <20020923002928.YNHT26549.imf26bis.bellsouth.net@localhost> Message-ID: <20020923003504.GA25377@zork.net> begin babaracus@bellsouth.net quotation: > you foo's are crazier than murdock! News flash: http://www3.sympatico.ca/kilbox/mrt.jpg -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Sep 22 17:51:42 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020922195558.A17755@as220.org> References: <20020922192633.GP25377@zork.net> <20020922203259.GI8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <1032731182.7835.323844.camel@amory> <20020922195558.A17755@as220.org> Message-ID: <1032742303.1015.510.camel@amory> On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 19:55, Matt Obert wrote: > I heard that Berkeley was planning to outlaw encrypted > DVDs in the airspace for sixty kilometers above the city. > See, this is the sort of lack of vision that's bringing Berkeley to ruin. This is like telling kids not to have sex. They can pass all the laws they want, but at best, now people will be launching their encrypted DVDs into a lower altitude, and the Orbital Death Ray will shoot across instead of down. I suspect this does not bode well for the citizens of Berkeley. Where's the #2? Someone get him on the phone. From babaracus at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 22 18:13:09 2002 From: babaracus at bellsouth.net (babaracus@bellsouth.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] quit yo' jibbajabba! Message-ID: <20020923011309.ZSQS26549.imf26bis.bellsouth.net@localhost> Monkey Master jibbajabba: > begin babaracus@bellsouth.net quotation: > > you foo's are crazier than murdock! > > News flash: http://www3.sympatico.ca/kilbox/mrt.jpg ITYM "pities", sucka. Drink some cold milk and try again, foo'. -- B.A. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 22 18:21:33 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Imperial American Forces Strike Again Message-ID: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As several of you know, there had been a deal of tension between George W. Bush and I over the issue of admittance of weapons inspectors into the sovereign territory of Minnesota, the Dakotas and Wisconsin. Bush wished to send weapons inspectors into Minnesota, officially to keep track of production of weapons of mass destruction. In reality, however, the weapons inspectors were little more than industrial spies, trying to steal the secrets to our X-ray laser. Events came to a head this past weekend, when the imerialist American forces attempted invasion of my sovereign territory. The American air and ground forces were repulsed at the border by superiour Minnesotan forces, and the American ICBMs were shot down by our orbital X-Ray laser platforms. However, Presidente Bush managed to managed to create disloyalty in my populace by promising my citizens an 8% representation in the United States Senate, as well as free cable. Rather than turn my military might unto my own people, I chose to flee into exile, waiting for the day that my people would welcome my return. I am now, like Osama Bin Laden and Dick Cheney, in an undisclosed location. We try to pass the time playing Monopoly, but Cheney keeps cheating. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9jmx0jLHcIq3dHxYRAmPWAJ9f0Sx251wdcADy/t8a+ASFlEYn9ACeOZhU XdKhOIEwocu35cdLQOA/blw= =nb7d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Sep 22 18:39:00 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:57 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Imperial American Forces Strike Again In-Reply-To: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <1032745141.1050.2864.camel@amory> On Sun, 2002-09-22 at 21:21, Citizen Hicks wrote: > However, Presidente Bush managed to managed to create > disloyalty in my populace by promising my citizens an 8% representation > in the United States Senate, as well as free cable. Rather than turn my > military might unto my own people, I chose to flee into exile, waiting > for the day that my people would welcome my return. I have yet to see an uprising that can't be put down with hookers and booze. They talk about the Senate, but they don't really care enough to do anything about it. It's the free cable you have to deal with. Hookers and booze. Trust me. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 19:05:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Imperial American Forces Strike Again In-Reply-To: <1032745141.1050.2864.camel@amory> References: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> <1032745141.1050.2864.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020923020559.GB25377@zork.net> begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation: > I have yet to see an uprising that can't be put down with hookers > and booze. If this were pigdog, that would be in the quotation daturbase by now. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 20:11:28 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020923031128.GD25377@zork.net> begin Dan Siegler quotation: > Dear Monkey Master, Hiya. > I am an investigative reporter in San Francisco, CA. A remarkable coincidence! I, too, am an investigative reporter for a prominent Bay Area publication. > Somebody has spray painted the slogan "Monkey Knife Fight" > throughout the neighborhood, and I'm trying to figure out what this > means. The entire neighborhood is fascinated by it. In my search, > I came across your website. Any chance you can help me? > > Thanks. > > -Dan When I first started seeing those around the Mission neighborhood, I was told that it was the name of a local punk band. I think they changed their name, but the stencils are probably irresistable to anyone with spraypaint. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Sun Sep 22 20:20:57 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> Tireless, yet clueless. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- montaigne@att.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Sep 22 20:23:08 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <20020923031128.GD25377@zork.net> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <20020923031128.GD25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master's quote: | begin Dan Siegler quotation: | > Dear Monkey Master, | | Hiya. | | > I am an investigative reporter in San Francisco, CA. | | A remarkable coincidence! I, too, am an investigative | reporter for a prominent Bay Area publication. in my not insubstantial experience, i have learned that anyone calling himself an "investigative reporter" is neither. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From modus at as220.org Sun Sep 22 22:12:48 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 08:20:57PM -0700 References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > Tireless, yet clueless. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > montaigne@att.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. Yes, but is he still using a proprietary mail client? -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From simm at zork.net Sun Sep 22 20:59:49 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <20020923031128.GD25377@zork.net> <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020923035948.GA15666@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > begin Monkey Master's quote: > | begin Dan Siegler quotation: > | > Dear Monkey Master, > | > | Hiya. > | > | > I am an investigative reporter in San Francisco, CA. > | > | A remarkable coincidence! I, too, am an investigative > | reporter for a prominent Bay Area publication. > > in my not insubstantial experience, i have learned that anyone calling > himself an "investigative reporter" is neither. Take it from the guy who is the lead reporter on channel 7's Problem Solver's addition to the Nightly News. His bit run on Tuesdays! -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Sep 22 21:22:44 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <20020923035948.GA15666@zork.net> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020923035948.GA15666@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Simm Al-Aekrib's quote: | > in my not insubstantial experience, i have learned that anyone | > calling himself an "investigative reporter" is neither. | | Take it from the guy who is the lead reporter on channel 7's | Problem Solver's addition to the Nightly News. His bit run on | Tuesdays! see? television. reporting does not happen on television. entertainment does. pablum dispensing is done. but not reporting, and sure as hell not on anything called channel 7. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Sep 22 21:49:10 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Imperial American Forces Strike Again In-Reply-To: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> (Citizen Hicks's message of "Sun, 22 Sep 2002 20:21:33 -0500") References: <20020923012133.GA1216@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "citizen" == Citizen Hicks writes: citizen> Presidente Bush managed to managed to create citizen> disloyalty in my populace MAKE THE PIE HIGHER a poem by George W. Bush I think we all agree, the past is over. This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses. Rarely is the question asked "Is our children learning?" Will the highways of the Internet become more few? How many hands have I shaked? They misunderestimate me. I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity. I know that the human being and the fish can coexist. Families is where our nation finds hope, where our wings take dream. Put food on your family! Knock down the tollbooth! Vulcanize society! Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher! -- Make the pie higher! Make the pie higher! From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Sep 22 21:55:41 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020923035948.GA15666@zork.net> <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020923045541.GA7214@zgp.org> begin dep quotation of Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 12:22:44AM -0400: > see? television. reporting does not happen on television. > entertainment does. pablum dispensing is done. but not reporting, and > sure as hell not on anything called channel 7. You guys had the chance to sell Channel 7 on a bogus story about monkey fights and you blew it. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 22 21:56:49 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 Message-ID: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Is it me, or have the vicious build scripts fallen on hard times? (Yes...I know this is gargnome headquarters.) What's the deal with this; where the hell is XGlyphElt8 declared anyway? In Xft, in fcpackage (during bootstrap.sh): cc -g -O2 -I. -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/gnome/head/INSTALL/include -fPIC -DPIC -c xftrender.c -o xftrender.o xftrender.c: In function XftGlyphSpecRender': xftrender.c:170: XGlyphElt8' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:170: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once xftrender.c:170: for each function it appears in.) xftrender.c:170: elts' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:171: parse error before elts_local' xftrender.c:186: glyphs_loaded' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:234: nelt' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:247: x' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:248: y' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:272: elts_local' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:335: XGlyphElt16' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:335: parse error before )' xftrender.c:340: XGlyphElt32' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:340: parse error before )' xftrender.c: In function XftGlyphFontSpecRender': xftrender.c:414: XGlyphElt8' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:414: elts' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:415: parse error before elts_local' xftrender.c:428: glyphs_loaded' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:480: nelt' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:499: x' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:500: y' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:528: elts_local' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:596: XGlyphElt16' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:596: parse error before )' xftrender.c:601: XGlyphElt32' undeclared (first use in this function) xftrender.c:601: parse error before )' make: *** [xftrender.o] Error 1 *** ERROR: Can't make fcpackage.2_0 wtf? A few months ago vicious-build worked just fine... -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Sep 22 22:00:54 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <20020923045541.GA7214@zgp.org> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020923045541.GA7214@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200209230100.54724.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Don Marti's quote: | You guys had the chance to sell Channel 7 on a bogus story about | monkey fights and you blew it. nah. to teevee it doesn't exist unless there is viddy-o tape. and it would be expensive to steal a couple of monkeys and tape knives to them and get a cage small enough that they'd go after each other. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 22:07:13 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Is it me, or have the vicious build scripts fallen on hard times? > (Yes...I know this is gargnome headquarters.) Dude, you want a release, get GARNOME. If you want something to automate some of your usual download-and-compile work, use vicious. Just don't use vicious and pretend it's a release. So stuff doesn't work, so what? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 22 22:22:58 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020923052258.GK8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 10:07:13PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Dude, you want a release, get GARNOME. If you want something to > automate some of your usual download-and-compile work, use vicious. Um...the point of my post was that vicious itself is broken. It used to work. Now it doesn't. Cause this stupid Xft won't build. I just wondered if anyone knew anything about it. Thas all. -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 22 22:28:36 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923052258.GK8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> <20020923052258.GK8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020923052836.GJ25377@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Um...the point of my post was that vicious itself is broken. It used > to work. Now it doesn't. Cause this stupid Xft won't build. I just > wondered if anyone knew anything about it. Thas all. So the actual vicious scripts use Xft as part of their function? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Sep 22 22:44:07 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923052836.GJ25377@zork.net> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> <20020923052258.GK8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923052836.GJ25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020923054407.GM8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 10:28:36PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > So the actual vicious scripts use Xft as part of their function? Well, the first vicious script in fact, bootstrap.sh, calls for building Xft: - bootstrap.sh snip- if [ -e fontconfig ]; then echo 'Hack: we are using the fcpackage thingie and we only want fontconfig and Xft from it' SUBDIRS="fontconfig Xft" fi -snip- Can vicious run without Xft? Yes. Will it then complete building gnome2? No. -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From modus at as220.org Mon Sep 23 00:43:16 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923054407.GM8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us>; from rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:44:07AM -0400 References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923050713.GH25377@zork.net> <20020923052258.GK8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923052836.GJ25377@zork.net> <20020923054407.GM8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020923034316.B21151@as220.org> Bob Bernstein looked into the void, and said: > On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 10:28:36PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > > So the actual vicious scripts use Xft as part of their function? > > Well, the first vicious script in fact, bootstrap.sh, calls for > building Xft: > > - bootstrap.sh snip- > > if [ -e fontconfig ]; then > > echo 'Hack: we are using the fcpackage thingie and we only want > fontconfig and Xft from it' > > SUBDIRS="fontconfig Xft" > fi > -snip- > > Can vicious run without Xft? Yes. Will it then complete building > gnome2? No. So treat me like a newbie -- what does "vicious" do? Scared of googling "vicious" ... even though I'd probably find out about "The Vicious Vikings" ("Craft" is a strtegy/war game similar to Warcraft and Dune II -- not that I've played any of those games) and about "vicious spam controls" ... so is there another "vicious" that helps people to build GNOME? Could it be the thing I found at ... ??? ... in a post from Jeff "Perkypants" Waugh? Maybe ... -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From sneakums at zork.net Mon Sep 23 01:16:51 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:12:48 -0400") References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> Message-ID: <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Matt Obert quotation: > Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > >> Tireless, yet clueless. >> >> ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- >> >> montaigne@att.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > Yes, but is he still using a proprietary mail client? Time will tell. It sure told on you, anyway. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From jesux at unix.tm Mon Sep 23 03:05:31 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:16:51AM +0100 References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 09:16:51AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Matt Obert quotation: > > Time will tell. > > It sure told on you, anyway. > Time will say nothing but I told you so. -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Sep 23 03:43:42 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020923104342.GL17973@perkypants.org> > Is it me, or have the vicious build scripts fallen on hard times? > (Yes...I know this is gargnome headquarters.) Jesus Christ man, this is CRACKMONKEY. If you want to build from CVS, use jhbuild. It's in GNOME CVS, seven million times saner than v-b-s. - Jeff (perplexed that v-b-s queries appear on this list of all places) -- "GIMP is the primary tool in my graphics work. It is my gcc and Emacs." - Tuomas Kuosmanen From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Sep 23 05:57:01 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923104342.GL17973@perkypants.org> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923104342.GL17973@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20020923125701.GO8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:43:42PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Jesus Christ man, this is CRACKMONKEY. But......it's for the CHILDREN, damnit, the CHILDREN! -- Bob Bernstein http://ruptured-duck.com/blog From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Sep 23 06:41:45 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost Message-ID: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> "And judging by the sneak-peaks and plunging necklines sported by actress after actress, the terrorists may have already lost." http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/23/1032734110512.html - Jeff -- What do you get when you cross a web server and a hen? Apoache. From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Sep 23 06:54:09 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020923035948.GA15666@zork.net> <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020923135409.GB12345@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin dep quotation: > > see? television. reporting does not happen on television. > entertainment does. pablum dispensing is done. but not reporting, and > sure as hell not on anything called channel 7. And since we all read your opinion on the Innurnet, it must be true. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2PHP8ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2qPACgw9eTNRqNBc+jId/LN76AKGsP bVIAn2MSKWDTyKfNcDXLjwLE5RQig6ut =mx1D -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Sep 23 07:33:10 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost In-Reply-To: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> References: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Jeff Waugh's quote: | "And judging by the sneak-peaks and plunging necklines sported by | actress after actress, the terrorists may have already lost." | | http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/23/1032734110512.html when i was in kuwait a few years ago, the whole place ground to a halt when "baywatch" came on. which show -- with its implication that in the u.s. everyone gets a corvette and a large-breasted woman -- played a big part in the outlawing of satellite dishes in saudia. (which in turn led to people there buying huge hollow fiberglass "rocks" to put over their satellite dishes, which is hilarious, because here you have a long stretch of nothing but sand, then a house with a giant boulder next to it. needless to say, didn't fool anybody, but it was enough to make the exchange of baksheesh enough to allow the dish to stay.) better than the local fare, which comprised egyptian soap operas and, probably, "monkey knife fight." (though i endured, once, "teenage mutant ninja turtles III" dubbed in arabic, so i suppose they could have one of the all-time greats, "mad monkey king fu" as well.) -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Sep 23 07:36:54 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <20020923135409.GB12345@eiv.com> References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <200209230022.44431.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020923135409.GB12345@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200209231036.54451.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote: | begin dep quotation: | > see? television. reporting does not happen on television. | > entertainment does. pablum dispensing is done. but not reporting, | > and sure as hell not on anything called channel 7. | | And since we all read your opinion on the Innurnet, it must be | true. yup. silly stuff. like this. http://www.lutins.org/nasa.html -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Sep 23 07:43:00 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost In-Reply-To: <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020923144300.GE1902@perkypants.org> > (though i endured, once, "teenage mutant ninja turtles III" dubbed in > arabic, so i suppose they could have one of the all-time greats, "mad > monkey king fu" as well.) Have you considered registering and running dennisandmain.com yet? - Jeff -- He'd never undressed a woman with his eyes. Perhaps army boots, school uniform, or a nightie, but never undressed. From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 23 12:24:21 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [punidan@yahoo.com: Re: Monkey Knife Fight] Message-ID: <20020923192421.GN25377@zork.net> Top-posted kudos from a prominent investigative reporter! My stock truly is rising! ----- Forwarded message from Dan Siegler ----- Ah, a fellow writer. Small world. Thanks for your reply, monkey master. --- Monkey Master wrote: > begin Dan Siegler quotation: > > Dear Monkey Master, > > Hiya. > > > I am an investigative reporter in San > Francisco, CA. > > A remarkable coincidence! I, too, am an > investigative > reporter for a prominent Bay Area publication. > > > Somebody has spray painted the slogan "Monkey > Knife Fight" > > throughout the neighborhood, and I'm trying > to figure out what this > > means. The entire neighborhood is fascinated > by it. In my search, > > I came across your website. Any chance you > can help me? > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Dan > > When I first started seeing those around the > Mission > neighborhood, I was told that it was the name > of a local punk band. I > think they changed their name, but the stencils > are probably > irresistable to anyone with spraypaint. > > -- > A: No. > Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? ===== Dan's Puni Comic Strip www.sfweekly.com/comics/puni_views/punibook.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 23 12:48:46 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [punidan@yahoo.com: Re: Monkey Knife Fight] In-Reply-To: <20020923192421.GN25377@zork.net> References: <20020923192421.GN25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020923194846.GO25377@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from Dan Siegler ----- > ===== > Dan's Puni Comic Strip > www.sfweekly.com/comics/puni_views/punibook.html Oh! *that* Dan Siegler! For those of you who don't know, the San Francisco municipal railway system changed its name to just "MUNI" when it switched most of the fleet over to busses. The logo is a garish 60s-deco mush of swirls and hairpin turns: http://sfmuni.com/home4img/logo40.gif GIF-using BASTARDS. Anyway, so MUNI was the best transportation system on the West Coast after GM burned the LA Pacific Electric "Red Car" and the Key Transit System Light rail interurban in the Bay Area. But MUNI didn't need GM to kill it when we had Diane Feinstein! By the time I got here, Frank Jordan was already catching shit for not being able to rebuild the mess that SF's tyrant (no really, she won because her opponent was *shot*) made of the thing. The SF Weekly (or was it the Bay Guardian -- I can barely ever tell them apart any more now that Wellman and SmartFeller are gone) used to have a great page-three comic srtip called SmartFeller. It was cynical and punchy and a primo troll all 'round. I think it was one of the first strips to satirize Burning Man back when it was still moving its operations off of Ocean Beach and out into the high desert. But SmartFeller succombed to the gentrification that was sweeping SF. Rents up, artists out. His second-to-last strip basically announced a trunk sale on some tenderloin street corner, and his last strip thanked some folks who stopped by. They tried to fill that spot with other local cartoonists. I think the one to fill his spot was Negative Creep first. I never really grokked NC. But after a while, this PUNI guy steps in. I never really got it much either. It was a bunch of uninspired "boy it's smelly and slow and crowded in here" stuff. Eventually he got moved back in the paper and the nationally-syndicated TroubleTown started to inch forward to take over the spot once held by local stripsters. The strip has picked up lately. I recall being amused by it a few months ago. I just think that it could stand to look more into the history of MUNI's fall and draw more inspiration from outside the world of Willie's Reign. I often imagine that Siegler came swooping in from the suburbs and paid twice the rent for SmartFeller's old flat. He's managed to get a book deal, and he seems to be all hep and on-line unlike the much funnier SmartFeller. Ah, well. Perhaps some old-San Francisco hophead will come down from Portland in a boxcar and hole up in some abandoned post-dot-com flophouse loft and pen a strip that will knock Lloyd Dangle and Tom Tomorrow out of the front sections, or maybe print up a new set of rags to finish garrotting the currently asphyxiating free weeklies in the area. Oh yeah, also, MONKEY KNIFE FIGHT! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Sep 23 13:20:55 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Yeah, well YOUR grandfather... Message-ID: <20020923202055.GD24511@zgp.org> .gr vs .mk cage bout! http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?thold=0&mode=nested&order=0&sid=6336 -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From montaigne at att.net Mon Sep 23 13:29:48 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:05:31PM +1000, James Moffitt wrote: > Time will say nothing but I told you so. And oh how you won't love yourself even more for saying that! Moron. So, just how many muppet moffitt whatever persons are there lurking around here? -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Sep 23 13:34:25 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > So, just how many muppet moffitt whatever persons are there lurking > around here? Good heavens that's a clever alliteration. Did you make that one up yourself? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Mon Sep 23 15:12:22 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923125701.GO8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923104342.GL17973@perkypants.org> <20020923125701.GO8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20020923221222.GA14281@columbus.rr.com> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:57:01AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:43:42PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > Jesus Christ man, this is CRACKMONKEY. > But......it's for the CHILDREN, damnit, the CHILDREN! The verbal abuse here is more interesting than on mplayer-users. -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Sep 23 16:38:34 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Monkey Knife Fight In-Reply-To: <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Sun, 22 Sep 2002 23:23:08 -0400") References: <20020923014339.11480.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> <20020923031128.GD25377@zork.net> <200209222323.08790.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> anyone calling himself an "investigative reporter" is neither. I know investigatives, and you, sir, are no investigative. From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Sep 23 16:49:23 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost In-Reply-To: <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Mon, 23 Sep 2002 10:33:10 -0400") References: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> (which in turn led to people there buying huge hollow d> fiberglass "rocks" to put over their satellite You clueless twit. I bet you've never even lived in Saudi Arabia. Those dishes belong to AT&T, and they have nothing whatsoever to do with Baywatch. d> which is hilarious TEEM is hilarious. Mongolian Barbecue Night at USMTM is hilarious. The software suks that charge per-disk and sell SKC media are hilarious. The televised evening feasts during Ramadan are hilarious. Prayer call is hilarious. The Aritrians painting zebra stripes on the curbs instead of washing them is hilarious. Even the smell of reclaimed water is a little, funny. But the AT&T compound is just boring lamer shit. Get over it, and stop making stuff up. -- the military denies responsibility for Tang. ``We're always given credit for that,'' says Jerry Darsch, director of Natick's food lab. ``But General Foods invented it.'' From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 23 18:42:26 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve Message-ID: <20020924014226.GG25377@zork.net> http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0922-06.htm > Back in 1983, before its publisher was acquired by a multinational > corporation, the American Heritage Dictionary left us this > definition of the form of government the democracies of Spain, > Italy, and Germany had morphed into during the 1930s: "fas-cism > (f?sh'iz'em) n. A system of government that exercises a dictatorship > of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and > business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism. [Ital. > fascio, group.]" > > The key is the merging of state and business leadership. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Sep 23 19:03:50 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve In-Reply-To: <20020924014226.GG25377@zork.net> References: <20020924014226.GG25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020924020350.GB1216@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0922-06.htm > > The key is the merging of state and business leadership. See, that's the bit that always caused me to get confused between fascism and communism, especially since I had been told that fascism touted itself as the anti-communism. I suppose the main difference lies in business taking over government as opposed to government taking over business. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9j8gFjLHcIq3dHxYRAmxqAJ9Eu6S2lbvQoMwxYdjPPNiP9IA+UgCfb2WU lisMCWYR0NUlu55+wYfkBRE= =KXZj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdub at perkypants.org Mon Sep 23 19:11:51 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve In-Reply-To: <20020924020350.GB1216@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020924014226.GG25377@zork.net> <20020924020350.GB1216@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020924021151.GJ12097@perkypants.org> > commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > > http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0922-06.htm > > > The key is the merging of state and business leadership. > > See, that's the bit that always caused me to get confused between > fascism and communism, especially since I had been told that fascism > touted itself as the anti-communism. I suppose the main difference lies > in business taking over government as opposed to government taking over > business. And the whole "Americans have never understood Communism anyway" problem. - Jeff -- "The Irish were next, being the only people who could credibly be accused of lowering the tone of a society of convicts." - Guy Rundle From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Sep 23 19:40:22 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve In-Reply-To: <20020924021151.GJ12097@perkypants.org> References: <20020924014226.GG25377@zork.net> <20020924020350.GB1216@8ball.wox.org> <20020924021151.GJ12097@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20020924024022.GA6244@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:11:51PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > And the whole "Americans have never understood Communism anyway" problem. Not familiar with that one. Please elaborate. From jesux at unix.tm Mon Sep 23 20:01:29 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux Message-ID: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> It's going to be in Latin and Aramic, with no subtitles. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/24/1032734156722.html Why didn't he choose Esperanto? What is wrong with people these days? -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From nick at zork.net Mon Sep 23 20:50:37 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020924035037.GH25377@zork.net> It's the McSweeny's for the anime dolt age! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- msensney@attbi.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carlos at laviola.org Mon Sep 23 20:50:05 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 01:34:25PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > > So, just how many muppet moffitt whatever persons are there lurking > > around here? > > Good heavens that's a clever alliteration. Did you make that one up > yourself? I wasn't gonna mention it, but he asked me to do it for him. So there. -- Carlos Laviola From carlos at laviola.org Mon Sep 23 20:50:50 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] XGlyphElt8 In-Reply-To: <20020923221222.GA14281@columbus.rr.com> References: <20020923045649.GJ8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923104342.GL17973@perkypants.org> <20020923125701.GO8209@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20020923221222.GA14281@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020924035050.GB4040@laviola.org> On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 06:12:22PM -0400, mwmiller@columbus.rr.com wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:57:01AM -0400, Bob Bernstein > wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:43:42PM +1000, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > Jesus Christ man, this is CRACKMONKEY. > > But......it's for the CHILDREN, damnit, the CHILDREN! Which reminds me that the list would be so much more fun if we brought in those crazy Hungarian mplayers! -- Carlos Laviola From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Sep 23 22:09:27 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost In-Reply-To: References: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <200209240109.27923.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Miles Nordin's quote: | >>>>> "d" == dep writes: | | d> (which in turn led to people there buying huge hollow | d> fiberglass "rocks" to put over their satellite | | You clueless twit. I bet you've never even lived in Saudi Arabia. | Those dishes belong to AT&T, and they have nothing whatsoever to do | with Baywatch. | | d> which is hilarious | | TEEM is hilarious. Mongolian Barbecue Night at USMTM is hilarious. | The software suks that charge per-disk and sell SKC media are | hilarious. The televised evening feasts during Ramadan are | hilarious. Prayer call is hilarious. The Aritrians painting zebra | stripes on the curbs instead of washing them is hilarious. Even | the smell of reclaimed water is a little, funny. But the AT&T | compound is just boring lamer shit. Get over it, and stop making | stuff up. easy there, cowboy, or it's back on the meds for you. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From montaigne at att.net Tue Sep 24 00:28:20 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:50:05AM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: > I wasn't gonna mention it, but he asked me to do it for him. So there. That's the last straw Carlos. I've had it with you. The hot monkey anal sex is OVER! Hear me? OVER! -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 24 00:32:11 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > That's the last straw Carlos. I've had it with you. The hot monkey > anal sex is OVER! Hear me? OVER! Here's $5 kid, go get yerself a coke. Maybe some bubble gum cards, eh? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Tue Sep 24 00:40:15 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020924074015.GC115@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 12:32:11AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Here's $5 kid, go get yerself a coke. Maybe some bubble gum > cards, eh? Oh yeah. Like the level of discussion around here is always so fucking ADULT, right? C'mon! So I called your kid brother or whoever he is a moron. Don't have a cow over it. -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Sep 24 01:07:22 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924074015.GC115@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020923032057.GE25377@zork.net> <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> <20020924074015.GC115@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020924080722.GO25377@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Oh yeah. Like the level of discussion around here is always so > fucking ADULT, right? C'mon! So I called your kid brother or whoever > he is a moron. Don't have a cow over it. A cow? Surely not. We're all simply amused at your ham-fisted attempts to enter the conversation. You couldn't quite understand "only subscribers may post" for about a week, at first. It made for some interesting off-list flailings, which we enjoyed immensely. But now you're just throwing out the pseudo-dadaist toilet humor. A pity, as that shit gets boring real fast. On a side note, I should warn you that you bring mention of my brother into this at your own peril. Compared to him, I am a clumsy drunken brawler, swinging roundhouse and connecting one in three. His style is elegance in form. Never a keystroke is wasted! His motions are brutal, yet short-lived and accurate. He summons up in one or two sentences what a lesser man such as myself would take pages to accomplish. He uses context and quotation the way a martial artist uses momentum and balance. He would hoist you up on your own petard, doing so with a single dodge. The more you write, the more you give him, and he can wait a *very* long time for you. So be careful when you invoke the name of my brother; for he is master of the epigram, and can tear a little whiny punk like you to shreds. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Tue Sep 24 07:56:40 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924080722.GO25377@zork.net> References: <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> <20020924074015.GC115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924080722.GO25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020924145640.GD115@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:07:22AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > A cow? Surely not. We're all simply amused at your ham-fisted > attempts to enter the conversation. Oh no. Don't tell me. You are all entertaining yourselves at my expense, and, gulp, most dreaded of all circumstances: Behind My Back. Oh no. Anything but that. > On a side note, I should warn you that you bring mention of my brother > into this at your own peril. Thank you for the warning. But he's still a moron for blithely assuming that any given random stranger must *surely* be incapable of the (granted, monumental) technical acumen required to install and run mutt. Tell him he should get out more. Tell him I told him so. > The more you write, the more you give him, and he can wait a *very* > long time for you. Hey! He's like those science fiction monsters that feed on the rays you try to waste them with! Awesome. -- montaigne From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Sep 24 07:30:57 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:58 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> (James Moffitt's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 13:01:29 +1000") References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "JM" == James Moffitt writes: JM> It's going to be in Latin and Aramic, with no subtitles. JM> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/24/1032734156722.html JM> Why didn't he choose Esperanto? What is wrong with people JM> these days? Ili ne scias tion kio estas bona por ili. ~S-o. Malbona -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From aelmore at interwoven.com Tue Sep 24 11:26:57 2002 From: aelmore at interwoven.com (Andrew Elmore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ready to use pictures of mens' heads Message-ID: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> We must never remember to forget. http://www.archive.org/texts/texts-details-db.php?collection=millionbooks&collectionid=987 From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Sep 24 11:42:23 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve In-Reply-To: <20020924021151.GJ12097@perkypants.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Sep 2002, Jeff Waugh wrote: > And the whole "Americans have never understood Communism anyway" problem. So what? Neither did Chairman Mao, and it never stopped him. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Sep 24 12:13:00 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020924080722.GO25377@zork.net> References: <20020923011248.B20212@as220.org> <6uptv5i0i4.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020923200531.A27841@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020923202948.GB904@localhost.localdomain> <20020923203425.GQ25377@zork.net> <20020924035005.GA4040@laviola.org> <20020924072820.GB115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924073211.GN25377@zork.net> <20020924074015.GC115@localhost.localdomain> <20020924080722.GO25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020924191259.GA25196@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 01:07:22AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > A cow? Surely not. We're all simply amused at your ham-fisted > attempts to enter the conversation. You couldn't quite understand > "only subscribers may post" for about a week, at first. It made for > some interesting off-list flailings, which we enjoyed immensely. But > now you're just throwing out the pseudo-dadaist toilet humor. A pity, > as that shit gets boring real fast. Cock. From henrik at enberg.org Tue Sep 24 13:43:00 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: ready to use pictures of mens' heads In-Reply-To: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> (Andrew Elmore's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 11:26:57 -0700") References: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <87y99rjezv.fsf@enberg.org> Andrew Elmore writes: > We must never remember to forget. Get your karate on. -- Yo mama's so ugly, her dentist treats her by mail-order. From nick at zork.net Tue Sep 24 15:58:00 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog Message-ID: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Why is it always the heels of pigdog who post family death notices there? Like, all the interesting-to-read people never mention it outside of context (such as in a bout of yo mama jokes). But Randy Mills and Thom Stark feel the need to post their little fucking classified ads in. It's like they're THAT starved for attention, or they're just such weak people that they *couldn't possibly stay away from pigdog* when they know it's going to piss them off during a delicate time. These are the folks who let all the bullshit get to them, and act like they were given special dispensation to not have crap dumped on them when they act like twits. It's like that list is their only stable social circle. I just couldn't help but notice the pattern, and it rubs me entirely the wrong way. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Sep 24 18:35:17 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Terrorists May Have Already Lost In-Reply-To: <200209240109.27923.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 01:09:27 -0400") References: <20020923134145.GC1902@perkypants.org> <200209231033.10472.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200209240109.27923.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> easy there, cowboy, or it's back on the meds for you. -- dep you, Soothe me, dep. You hear that? YOU SOOTHED ME! -- BigBy sped off, laughing, through a megaphone. From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Tue Sep 24 19:13:35 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ready to use pictures of mens' heads In-Reply-To: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> References: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <20020925021335.GA16102@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:26:57AM -0700, Andrew Elmore wrote: > We must never remember to forget. > http://www.archive.org/texts/texts-details-db.php?collection=millionbooks&collectionid=987 You mean not forgetting to complain to the webmaster about braindead scripts that use " " instead of "%20" when sending an URL redirection, right? Anyone want to place bets that the reply will come back "Oh, but it works fine on iexplore"? -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Sep 24 20:26:48 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ready to use pictures of mens' heads In-Reply-To: <20020925021335.GA16102@columbus.rr.com> References: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> <20020925021335.GA16102@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020925032648.GA9449@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence mwmiller@columbus.rr.com quotation: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 11:26:57AM -0700, Andrew Elmore > wrote: > > We must never remember to forget. > > http://www.archive.org/texts/texts-details-db.php?collection=millionbooks&collectionid=987 > > You mean not forgetting to complain to the webmaster about braindead > scripts that use " " instead of "%20" when sending an URL redirection, > right? Anyone want to place bets that the reply will come back "Oh, but > it works fine on iexplore"? Well, I'm using Mojira and I get three incredibly shrunken images which I presume are sample pages from the book Ready-to-Use Illustrations of Men's Heads. Perhaps the problem is on your end. I suspect your AOL window was in front of your mutt window. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9kSz1jLHcIq3dHxYRAsz3AJ94wbTeBzFbI8ItXfo0gV1UWqgzbwCgzKUl 9VTtZGroLYNBdlEG+uRgGf8= =axXj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Tue Sep 24 20:43:11 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020925034311.GA16647@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:58:00PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Why is it always the heels of pigdog who post family death notices > there? ... > It's like they're THAT starved for attention, or they're just such > weak people that they *couldn't possibly stay away from pigdog* when > they know it's going to piss them off during a delicate time. I'm voting for "starved for attention", though I might also write in a ballot for "thick skulls." Lots of mailing lists have people like this. They use Outlook. They top-post. They don't trim quotes. Or attribute them either. They quote with AOL's retarded <>, or worse, with Outlook's even more retarded nothing-at-all. They forward glurge without trimming out the >>>>> quote crap, and act morally offended when they receive complaints and/or debunkings; they retort that even if the story's not true (it isn't), isn't it still inspirational and/or educational? (It isn't.) In short, they are poster children for Emily Postnews. What to do? Well, banning Outlook (like a certain list admin does on a certain list) helps a bit, but then you still have to deal with the jackasses who think they're hot shit because they use Forte Agent. And even if you ban *them* you still have to deal with the jackasses who think they're hot shit because they use mutt... Heck, just ban everybody who doesn't use gnus. That should do it. -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Sep 24 21:26:44 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:30:57PM +0200, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "JM" == James Moffitt writes: > > JM> It's going to be in Latin and Aramic, with no subtitles. > JM> http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/24/1032734156722.html > > JM> Why didn't he choose Esperanto? What is wrong with people > JM> these days? > > Ili ne scias tion kio estas bona por ili. > Jes. La Esperantistaro "mafia" vizitos ili. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Sep 24 21:37:42 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 03:58:00PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I just couldn't help but notice the pattern, and it rubs me entirely > the wrong way. > Well, I've gone and done it again..recorded another song, that is. It's called "Along the Turbulent Truckee" -- and this time I really DID have to tell the story with a guitar, because it's an instrumental. Of course, there are some other instruments in there, too, but that's okay, because I play all of them, too. It's short -- just 2 minutes and 42 seconds long -- so it shouldn't make for TOO painful a listening experience. You can find an MP3 of it here: http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam/alongtheturbulenttruckee.mp3 I think you'll like it. I certainly do. It makes me want to dance.. Regards, Sam Phillips -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 25 00:00:19 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com>; from sam@dasbistro.com on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:37:42PM -0700 References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > You can find an MP3 of it here: ^^^ Why not an .ogg of "Along the Turbulent Truckee"? -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Sep 24 22:54:03 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:00:19AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > > > You can find an MP3 of it here: > ^^^ > > Why not an .ogg of "Along the Turbulent Truckee"? > Trust me my eldritch friend, the MP3 is much higher quality. The ogg could barely hold Alexander the Great's mighty sword. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From modus at as220.org Wed Sep 25 02:15:09 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com>; from sam@dasbistro.com on Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:54:03PM -0700 References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:00:19AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > > > > > You can find an MP3 of it here: > > ^^^ > > > > Why not an .ogg of "Along the Turbulent Truckee"? > > > > Trust me my eldritch friend, the MP3 is much higher quality. The ogg > could barely hold Alexander the Great's mighty sword. ITIHBT. http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html HTH. HAND. -- Random Oedipus | "Anger is just one letter short of danger, RI Pseudo Nomad | and four letters short of tangerine." Modus Operandi | modus@as220.org | -- Benjamin Franklin From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 09:51:15 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:26:44PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:30:57PM +0200, Mr. Bad wrote: > > Ili ne scias tion kio estas bona por ili. > > Jes. La Esperantistaro "mafia" vizitos ili. Fad sdfa iohjsdf klasdlk. I can bang on my keyboard and pretend it's a real language too From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 09:54:54 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:15:09AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > > > > Trust me my eldritch friend, the MP3 is much higher quality. The ogg > > could barely hold Alexander the Great's mighty sword. > > ITIHBT. YHBT. YHL. > http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html > > HTH. HAND. FOAD. GTFOML. From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 10:46:53 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:54:54AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:15:09AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > ITIHBT. > > YHBT. YHL. > > > HTH. HAND. > > FOAD. GTFOML. > Man this list is really starting to suck. I used to remember when there were real ad-hominems on here. And the sun shined brightly upon all who happend by. It was a golden time, and no email box was empty. Now we've been reduced to all of this acronymism, and repetition. Have we lost the pride we used to have in this fine craft. I see this list falling to the wayside of net flotsam that's gathering around the Slashdots and stileprojects of the world. And you people are sucking the life out of this thing. Leave. Go. Vamoose. We need do-ers on this list, not babbling oppossums. The Revolution starts now! What are you still doing here? I said LEAVE! NOW! -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Sep 25 10:56:59 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:58:00 -0700") References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "mm" == Nick Moffitt writes: mm> It's like that list is their only stable social circle. mm> I just couldn't help but notice the pattern, and it rubs me mm> entirely the wrong way. You know, Nick, it's no secret that I've always been very attracted to you, but it's not like I'm not mature enough to set that aside and really listen when the situation requires it. It really hurts me to see you in pain, and if you ever need someone to talk to, a friend to, you know, LISTEN, well. I'm HERE for you, man. Don't be afraid to really open up to me. Life is crazy, but I swear I can put my own feelings aside and just be a good friend if that's what you need right now. You don't have to go through this alone. -- the military denies responsibility for Tang. ``We're always given credit for that,'' says Jerry Darsch, director of Natick's food lab. ``But General Foods invented it.'' From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 25 11:05:33 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:46:53 PDT." <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200209251805.g8PI5XJM005973@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 10:46:53 PDT, Sam Phillips said: > What are you still doing here? I said LEAVE! NOW! ITYM "WAYSDH? ISL! N!" From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 25 11:35:40 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Sam "Ansel Adams Lover" Phillips wrote: > Leave. Go. Vamoose. We need do-ers on this list, not babbling > oppossums. The Revolution starts now! Wrong. You see, the revolution started while I was tied up by junkies who robbed me blind and then started to assault my schizophrenic neighbor. I distinctly recall saying to myself, as Junk-e #1 recreated the gordian knot with the rope wrapped around my arms, "I will start a revolution. An Ad-hominem revolution. Except we won't attack schizos, because that's not fair." I even wrote a little blurb about it in my ongoing SciFi Novel, A Season in the Meth Van. If you, Mr. Cabin Boy, had bothered to READ my novel, you would certainly know that I am solely responsible for this revolution. Now please give me a quarter. Regards, #2 Of Berkeley Telephone: 510-848-1196 Email: thom@donkeyshow.org URL:http://www.donkeyshow.org Postal address: 1 St. Francis Place #5209, San Francisco, CA, 94025 Ship-to address: 2425 Channing Way, Berkeley, CA 94704 PGP public key: http://www.donkeyshow.org/thomskey.txt From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Sep 25 11:49:45 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020925034311.GA16647@columbus.rr.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925034311.GA16647@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20020925184945.GG28033@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin mwmiller@columbus.rr.com quotation: > > jackasses who think they're hot shit because they use mutt... Heck, > just ban everybody who doesn't use gnus. That should do it. I consider it mildly ironic that the next email I received after this was a spam with faked gnus headers. But maybe that's just me. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2SBUgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3JBgCgqSM4ojbmIixaqnBUmahf3Wwr fuEAnA0m7j+dNfaXC1OdQEn185sKvcDz =wc/0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From aelmore at interwoven.com Wed Sep 25 11:46:44 2002 From: aelmore at interwoven.com (Andrew Elmore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ready to use pictures of mens' heads In-Reply-To: <20020925032648.GA9449@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020924182657.GF94742@interwoven.com> <20020925021335.GA16102@columbus.rr.com> <20020925032648.GA9449@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020925184644.GA541@interwoven.com> On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 10:26:48PM -0500, Citizen Hicks wrote: > Well, I'm using Mojira and I get three incredibly shrunken images which > I presume are sample pages from the book Ready-to-Use Illustrations of > Men's Heads. Perhaps the problem is on your end. Perhaps they're images of incredibly shrunken mens' heads. Ready for some headhunter's stew? From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 12:13:09 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:46:53AM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:54:54AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 05:15:09AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > > ITIHBT. > > > > YHBT. YHL. > > > > > HTH. HAND. > > > > FOAD. GTFOML. > > > > Man this list is really starting to suck. I used to remember when there > were real ad-hominems on here. And the sun shined brightly upon all who > happend by. It was a golden time, and no email box was empty. Oh look at me, I'm the little Indian with a tear in his eye. I remember a better world, and it's one before all of you gringo honky gaijin bastards took away our mailing list and dropped your empty Mountain Dew cans all over the place. I think I'm going to go start a new mailing list where we can talk about how inferior all of these new people are and we can sit around with our dicks in our hands, with that smug look of self-satisfaction that only comes from deluding yourself into a sense of superiority. Or from vicious wanking. > Now we've been reduced to all of this acronymism, and repetition. Have > we lost the pride we used to have in this fine craft. I see this list > falling to the wayside of net flotsam that's gathering around the > Slashdots and stileprojects of the world. And you people are sucking > the life out of this thing. Oh yeah, it's all everyone else's fault. Sam Fucking Phillips who doesn't post to Crackmonkey except when Nick makes a reference to something that happened on pigdog-l is blaming all of the other people who are trying to take an active part. Very fine indeed. > Leave. Go. Vamoose. We need do-ers on this list, not babbling > oppossums. The Revolution starts now! > > What are you still doing here? I said LEAVE! NOW! Why don't you just go start another mailing list? You can call it the Super Secret Sam List and invite only the Super Secret Cool People. If you're picky enough about who you allow in, the content there will all be up to your rigorous standard. But then, we're back to the wanking again, aren't we? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Sep 25 12:19:59 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Not Erik wrote: > But then, we're back to the wanking again, aren't we? what's wrong with wanking? From jeremym at loonix.org Wed Sep 25 12:25:01 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925192501.GE31034@pug.chroot.net> On Wed Sep 25, 2002 at 12:19:59PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Not Erik wrote: > > > But then, we're back to the wanking again, aren't we? > > what's wrong with wanking? It drives you blind, insane, and makes your palms hairy. Man, don't you know _anything_? -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Sep 25 12:27:18 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:35:40 PDT." References: Message-ID: <200209251927.g8PJRIJM006660@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:35:40 PDT, #2 of Berkeley said: > me blind and then started to assault my schizophrenic neighbor. I > distinctly recall saying to myself, And you think them assaulting your schizophrenic neighbors is unfair because you bruise easily? From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 12:34:19 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:13:09PM -0700, Not Erik not wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 10:46:53AM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > I think I'm going to go start a new mailing list where we can talk > about how inferior all of these new people are and we can sit around > with our dicks in our hands, with that smug look of self-satisfaction > that only comes from deluding yourself into a sense of superiority. Only orange dicks please. > > Now we've been reduced to all of this acronymism, and repetition. Have > > we lost the pride we used to have in this fine craft. I see this list > > falling to the wayside of net flotsam that's gathering around the > > Slashdots and stileprojects of the world. And you people are sucking > > the life out of this thing. > > Oh yeah, it's all everyone else's fault. Sam Fucking Phillips who > doesn't post to Crackmonkey except when Nick makes a reference to > something that happened on pigdog-l is blaming all of the other people > who are trying to take an active part. Very fine indeed. > Yeah that shows you how bad this list is sucking. The best thing that I could find time to reply to was some Thom Stark bashing. It's not like it's a significantly hard thing to do. I mean that is wicked weak that the only thing to do was Thom Stark-ery. This list has been sucking for a while now. It's sucking the very life from my computer. It sucks to bad that I just had to run out to the parking lot with really long jumper cables hooked to my car and the computer just to read the last 4 messages. I might have to go down there and rev the engine to get through the rest of the messages today. That's how bad it is. Suck suck suck. > But then, we're back to the wanking again, aren't we? See there are these things called "girls", and instead of wanking you pay them some sort of "service fee" and they take care of that problem for you. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 12:44:31 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925194431.GA28410@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 12:34:19PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > Yeah that shows you how bad this list is sucking. The best thing that I > could find time to reply to was some Thom Stark bashing. It's not like > it's a significantly hard thing to do. I mean that is wicked weak that > the only thing to do was Thom Stark-ery. > > This list has been sucking for a while now. It's sucking the very life > from my computer. It sucks to bad that I just had to run out to the > parking lot with really long jumper cables hooked to my car and the > computer just to read the last 4 messages. I might have to go down > there and rev the engine to get through the rest of the messages today. > > That's how bad it is. Suck suck suck. You know, there is another option... > > But then, we're back to the wanking again, aren't we? > > See there are these things called "girls", and instead of wanking you > pay them some sort of "service fee" and they take care of that problem > for you. Yeah. They suck too. From ron at vnetworx.net Wed Sep 25 12:47:46 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1032983267.19908.16997.camel@amory> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 15:34, Sam Phillips wrote: > See there are these things called "girls", and instead of wanking you > pay them some sort of "service fee" and they take care of that problem > for you. Tip for today: When the exchange involves gemstones with no secondary market, it's extortion and not a service fee, followed by 50% of everything you own about 50% of the time. Make sure you read the fine print on the contract. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 13:21:41 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <1032983267.19908.16997.camel@amory> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <1032983267.19908.16997.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020925202141.GA29451@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:47:46PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > > Tip for today: When the exchange involves gemstones with no secondary > market, it's extortion and not a service fee, followed by 50% of > everything you own about 50% of the time. Make sure you read the fine > print on the contract. Whew! Good thing crack cocaine isn't actually a gemstone! From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Sep 25 13:31:02 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: <20020925184945.GG28033@eiv.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925034311.GA16647@columbus.rr.com> <20020925184945.GG28033@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020925203102.GA4587@zgp.org> begin Shawn McMahon quotation of Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 02:49:45PM -0400: > I consider it mildly ironic that the next email I received after this > was a spam with faked gnus headers. But maybe that's just me. It's just you. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From ron at vnetworx.net Wed Sep 25 13:56:10 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925202141.GA29451@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <1032983267.19908.16997.camel@amory> <20020925202141.GA29451@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1032987370.19690.19844.camel@amory> On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 16:21, Not Erik wrote: > > Whew! Good thing crack cocaine isn't actually a gemstone! You trolling me? Everyone knows crack is a part of the fruits and vegetables food group. I'm pretty sure it's cool with the veggies, but there is this recipe for vegan crack, so maybe the normal processing involves animal products? http://www.vegweb.com/frames/food/sweets/4807.shtml There's something about cooking with herb on there too. I'm sure the brownie recipe is popular. From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Sep 25 14:59:17 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925215917.GA28842@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > what's wrong with wanking? Before eating Cheetos, or after? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2SMbUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1k5ACg/C9bd81NMwHO1MXaZmM9EnAR wX8AoKAe0PhxvIgXqBfaIqundVET9KM9 =WHvH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Wed Sep 25 15:44:42 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020925224442.GK25377@zork.net> :< ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- maggot@hellokitty.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 15:50:20 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:51:15AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 09:26:44PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2002 at 04:30:57PM +0200, Mr. Bad wrote: > > > Ili ne scias tion kio estas bona por ili. > > > > Jes. La Esperantistaro "mafia" vizitos ili. > > Fad sdfa iohjsdf klasdlk. > > I can bang on my keyboard and pretend it's a real language too > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From jesux at unix.tm Wed Sep 25 16:24:51 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com>; from sam@dasbistro.com on Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:50:20PM -0700 References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020926092451.A8433@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:50:20PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. > Dear Sam, Even though you don't know me, I would like to take this opportunity to provide a brief personal insight into your recent sonic excursion "Along the Turbulent Truckee". Firstly, your Music avoids the gravest sin: it is not a Vessle of Boredom, limping across the planet like an earnest Christian rock anthem. As Art, it resonates with New Physics by stretching its own space-time skin of form, unconstrained by trifling misconceptions such as melody, rhythm and aesthetics. At its core is a simple essence: a remarkable postmodern reconstruction of the modern. It is a Zeitgeist for our time, a raison d'?tre for our existence. However, it is also more than two megabytes in length, and rendered the Austrian three-hundred baud Interweb connection comatose for several hours yesterday afternoon. Many schoolchildren were unable to complete their CIA world factbook plagarism essays. It's time for a cup of tea. - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Sep 25 16:39:43 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925215917.GA28842@eiv.com> References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925215917.GA28842@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020925233943.GB9449@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > > > what's wrong with wanking? > > Before eating Cheetos, or after? His second child is only a week old and he's back in true form already! - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9kkk7jLHcIq3dHxYRAlq5AJ9pDB2iqBPJxlGfOMDHyX4YWJ7/uQCfdwgm tM0oT9LuKUpUTs5x+f4HJj8= =HbM9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 16:55:01 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020925235501.GA32228@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:50:20PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:51:15AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > > > I can bang on my keyboard and pretend it's a real language too > > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. Ha! You first! From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 18:06:18 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925235501.GA32228@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925235501.GA32228@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020926010618.GE11166@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:55:01PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:50:20PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:51:15AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > > > > > I can bang on my keyboard and pretend it's a real language too > > > > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. > > Ha! You first! > http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq-5.html Ok, now your turn. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Sep 25 18:38:42 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020926010618.GE11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925235501.GA32228@dasbistro.com> <20020926010618.GE11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020926013842.GA3484@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 06:06:18PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 04:55:01PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 03:50:20PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 09:51:15AM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > > > > > > > I can bang on my keyboard and pretend it's a real language too > > > > > > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. > > > > Ha! You first! > > > > http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq-5.html > > Ok, now your turn. http://www.aol.com/ From montaigne at att.net Wed Sep 25 23:33:22 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020926063322.GA6513@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 01:56:59PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > You know, Nick, it's no secret that I've always been very attracted to > you, but it's not like I'm not mature enough to set that aside and > really listen when the situation requires it. I'm getting kinda hot just reading this. I may start wanking. As for sucking, the mere mention of the term "pigdog" in any context will render said context completely sucky. It's a hard truth to swallow, I know, but there it is. -- montaigne From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Sep 26 12:23:27 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <87ptv3xxwe.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020925042644.GD2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925165114.GB23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020926192327.GB32597@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. Five of whom can actually hold a conversation in it. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2TXq4ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0TxACgomKFRdISG97alRT2nTBLDAcP Xq4AnijLsqI/FQh3A/4uSY1017v87hhq =5Tmw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Sep 26 12:41:20 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020926192327.GB32597@eiv.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926192327.GB32597@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200209261541.21079.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote: | begin Sam Phillips quotation: | > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. | | Five of whom can actually hold a conversation in it. and all they'll talk about is how they're holding a conversation in it. after the precedent set by ham radio operators, who most of the time discuss the fact that they are actually talking on the radio, and the rest of the time discuss the equipment that they have which enables them to do so. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From jv at zork.net Thu Sep 26 13:52:25 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: The envelope, please (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] nothing up my sleeve) In-Reply-To: References: <20020924021151.GJ12097@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20020926205225.GC26861@zork.net> begin graft quotation: > > And the whole "Americans have never understood Communism anyway" problem. > So what? Neither did Chairman Mao, and it never stopped him. > Not familiar with that one. Please elaborate. ... and the award goes to: !No, *You* Don't Understnd. "I'd like to thank all the Little People (especially those bigger than I) for *all* their help." -jv... ballots up his sleeve From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Sep 26 14:59:46 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:56:59 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <200209261541.21079.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926192327.GB32597@eiv.com> <200209261541.21079.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020926215946.GC9449@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence dep quotation: > begin Shawn McMahon's quote: > > | begin Sam Phillips quotation: > | > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. > | > | Five of whom can actually hold a conversation in it. > > and all they'll talk about is how they're holding a conversation in > it. after the precedent set by ham radio operators, who most of the > time discuss the fact that they are actually talking on the radio, > and the rest of the time discuss the equipment that they have which > enables them to do so. Have you actually looked at the FCC rules? They're not allowed to talk about anything else. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9k4NQjLHcIq3dHxYRAvLVAJ9VSyxIgsScDDHGpigAbAAbrw70xQCgim/P UhFopT28/v1bX8euIkdGhf8= =40L4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jv at zork.net Thu Sep 26 15:20:30 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> begin Sam Phillips quotation: [...] > Only orange dicks please... Wanking after eating Chee-to's. -jv From modus at as220.org Thu Sep 26 16:46:11 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mel Gibson's new film about Jesux In-Reply-To: <20020926215946.GC9449@8ball.wox.org>; from hick0142@tc.umn.edu on Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 04:59:46PM -0500 References: <20020924130129.A31623@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <20020925225020.GD11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926192327.GB32597@eiv.com> <200209261541.21079.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020926215946.GC9449@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020926194611.A5308@as220.org> Citizen Hicks looked into the void, and said: > commence dep quotation: > > begin Shawn McMahon's quote: > > > > | begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > | > Ok, now get it accepted by 2,000,000 people world wide. > > | > > | Five of whom can actually hold a conversation in it. > > > > and all they'll talk about is how they're holding a conversation in > > it. after the precedent set by ham radio operators, who most of the > > time discuss the fact that they are actually talking on the radio, > > and the rest of the time discuss the equipment that they have which > > enables them to do so. > > Have you actually looked at the FCC rules? They're not allowed to talk > about anything else. And they are only allowed to speak Esperanto. -- Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig modus@as220.org | http://eff.org/IP/freeculture/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Sep 27 02:39:53 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> (Juggler Vain's message of "Thu, 26 Sep 2002 15:20:30 -0700") References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> Message-ID: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "JV" == Juggler Vain writes: >> Only orange dicks please... JV> Wanking after eating Chee-to's. I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Could you elaborate the details of the joke just a teeny bit further? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From inkblot at movealong.org Fri Sep 27 06:22:11 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20020925043742.GE2611@dasbistro.com> <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> Just now Mister Bad made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > >>>>> "JV" == Juggler Vain writes: > > >> Only orange dicks please... > > JV> Wanking after eating Chee-to's. > > I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Could you elaborate the details > of the joke just a teeny bit further? So far I've just been a passive observer in this thread. I apologize in advance if I misrepresent what anyone has written, but I believe this is an accurate diagram of most if not all of the jokes that have been made since the thread stopped being about Thom or Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3: "Penis" --> "Ha ha" -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 09:48:33 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (montaigne@att.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) Message-ID: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Clearly under the weather, Mr. Bad labors to troll a thread that everyone has long ceased to care about: >> I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Could you elaborate the details >> of the joke just a teeny bit further? Oh how the mighty have fallen! Sic transit gloria mundi! -- montaigne > >>>>> "JV" == Juggler Vain writes: > > >> Only orange dicks please... > > JV> Wanking after eating Chee-to's. > > I'm sorry, I still don't understand. Could you elaborate the details > of the joke just a teeny bit further? > > ~Mr. Bad > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Fri Sep 27 10:18:42 2002 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> Message-ID: <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> * montaigne@att.net (montaigne@att.net) wrote: > Oh how the mighty have fallen! Sic transit gloria mundi! I'd just like to point out that absolutely everything is wrong with the way you quoted that reply. Tom. -- .^. .-------------------------------------------------------. /V\ | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /( )\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From nino at nino.nu Fri Sep 27 10:31:37 2002 From: nino at nino.nu (Niklas Nordebo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020927173137.GE25611@nino.nu> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 06:18:42PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * montaigne@att.net (montaigne@att.net) wrote: > > Oh how the mighty have fallen! Sic transit gloria mundi! > > I'd just like to point out that absolutely everything is wrong with the > way you quoted that reply. I'm sure it's just a bug in his MUA, "AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Sep 18 2002)". He's probably fixing it and preparing to send a patch upstream as we speak. -- niklas nordebo -><- nino@nino.nu -><- +447925661290 Nil Carborundum illegitimo From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 27 10:37:58 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] Message-ID: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> Celebrate Car-Free Day in style with...more revenue for your city! What the hell is wrong with treating traffic violators as a source of revenue? If you can't stop at a red light, take the bus! "The computer chips for Speed on Green cost about $10,000 per unit." How do you get one of those contracts, that's what I want to know. Build one of these: http://linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6232 and take your City Council to the Gold Club? I already told someone I would drive her to the airport today before I knew it was Car-Free Day. I suck. ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:00:31 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue To: politech@politechbot.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Sender: owner-politech@politechbot.com Reply-To: declan@well.com X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ X-Author: Declan McCullagh is at http://www.mccullagh.org/ X-News-Site: Cluebot is at http://www.cluebot.com/ X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.3 required=7.0 tests=AWL version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20020927-4563013.htm Mayor says cameras will make city money By Brian DeBose THE WASHINGTON TIMES D.C. Mayor Anthony A. Williams yesterday said he wants to expand the use of traffic cameras because the city needs the money. "The cameras are about safety and revenue, and the way not to pay that tax is to not be speeding," Mr. Williams said. The mayor's comments were a change from earlier this year, when Mr. Williams told a radio audience in February that the purpose of the traffic cameras was to "calm" dangerous streets not generate revenue for the city. The latest comments also contradict months of disavowals by Metropolitan Police Chief Charles H. Ramsey, who has steadfastly contended that the cameras are about safety, not revenue. But on yesterday's "Ask the Mayor" program on WTOP Radio, Mr. Williams said looming fiscal problems forced the city to get creative in closing a potential $323 million budget deficit. [...] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if you include this notice. 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Make a donation here: http://www.politechbot.com/donate/ Recent CNET News.com articles: http://news.search.com/search?q=declan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 10:39:11 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020927173910.GA8701@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 06:18:42PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > I'd just like to point out that absolutely everything is wrong with the > way you quoted that reply. Thank you. This is, clearly, a work-in-progress. But how about that Mr. Bad, huh? Who'd have thunk it? -- montaigne From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 27 10:44:20 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020927174419.GB20790@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That's where you're wrong. commence Tom Gilbert quotation: > * montaigne@att.net (montaigne@att.net) wrote: > > Oh how the mighty have fallen! Sic transit gloria mundi! > > I'd just like to point out that absolutely everything is wrong with the > way you quoted that reply. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lJjyjLHcIq3dHxYRAtL+AKDH/4Aa+gCEVidi9s8HBouEpu0U6ACg6+S6 n3hAxNgrD3cQ2PqEDWfjMsg= =xfr2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 10:44:07 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (montaigne@att.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) Message-ID: <20020927174405.LDGO16681.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> > I'm sure it's just a bug in his MUA, "AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Sep 18 > 2002)". Oh how precious. You _can_ read email headers!! The pre-school WAS worth it! -- montaigne From jeremym at loonix.org Fri Sep 27 10:53:46 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) In-Reply-To: <20020927174405.LDGO16681.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> References: <20020927174405.LDGO16681.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> Message-ID: <20020927175346.GA13859@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Sep 27, 2002 at 05:44:07PM +0000, montaigne@att.net wrote: > > I'm sure it's just a bug in his MUA, "AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Sep 18 > > 2002)". > > Oh how precious. You _can_ read email headers!! The pre-school WAS worth it! MUAs that don't supply In-Reply-To or References headers should be taken out back and shot. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Sep 27 11:19:22 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] In-Reply-To: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Don Marti wrote: > I already told someone I would drive her to the airport today before > I knew it was Car-Free Day. I suck. oh no! I drove my girlfriend to BART today, because she was carrying luggage. I am a sinner! From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Sep 27 11:20:51 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927174419.GB20790@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> <20020927174419.GB20790@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <1033150852.32388.54888.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 13:44, Citizen Hicks wrote: > > That's where you're wrong. Speaking of wrongness... Citizen Hicks, I toured Wisconsin the other day to see if it was worth adding to my portfolio. You apparently had sufficient time to raid the treasury on during the latter part of your flight from Minnesota. What is your diabolical plan that involves 90 million metric tons of cheddar? -- Mister Bad is evil, no matter what Montaigne says! http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/evilfinder/ef.cgi?said=Mister+Bad From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 27 11:30:03 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <1033150852.32388.54888.camel@amory> References: <20020927164834.LVRP1532.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc21> <20020927171842.GG9344@offended.co.uk> <20020927174419.GB20790@8ball.wox.org> <1033150852.32388.54888.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20020927183003.GC20790@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation: > On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 13:44, Citizen Hicks wrote: > > > > That's where you're wrong. > > Speaking of wrongness... > > Citizen Hicks, I toured Wisconsin the other day to see if it was worth > adding to my portfolio. You apparently had sufficient time to raid the > treasury on during the latter part of your flight from Minnesota. What > is your diabolical plan that involves 90 million metric tons of cheddar? All I can say is, "We aim to cheese." - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lKOpjLHcIq3dHxYRAlTeAJ9CD2z1stT9C/ltbUogILnQxhqHngCeMOIB ZpHu/6LcmX4YVOmuiBiIlVk= =bTQ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam at flounder.net Fri Sep 27 11:30:03 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] In-Reply-To: References: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020927183003.GL31937@flounder.net> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 11:19:22AM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Don Marti wrote: > > > I already told someone I would drive her to the airport today before > > I knew it was Car-Free Day. I suck. > > oh no! I drove my girlfriend to BART today, because she was carrying > luggage. I am a sinner! Car-Free day? Cool! Maybe there will be less idiots on the road. Can we make Monday idiot-free day? --Adam From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 27 12:26:25 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? Message-ID: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> How long has google had this news thingie running? http://news.google.com/help/about_news_search.html -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Sep 27 12:48:23 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT." <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <200209271948.g8RJmNe6002888@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > How long has google had this news thingie running? Ya know, slashdot trolls are just so.... passe. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Sep 27 12:55:23 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <200209271948.g8RJmNe6002888@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:48:23 -0400") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209271948.g8RJmNe6002888@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <6u7kh7b42c.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: >> How long has google had this news thingie running? > > Ya know, slashdot trolls are just so.... passe. Yes, you are. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 27 12:59:04 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <200209271948.g8RJmNe6002888@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209271948.g8RJmNe6002888@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020927195904.GA8854@zgp.org> begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation of Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 03:48:23PM -0400: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > > How long has google had this news thingie running? > > Ya know, slashdot trolls are just so.... passe. No way d3wd, they're in the NEWS!!!! http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=slashdot+trolls -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 27 13:10:05 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? Message-ID: <1033157405.3d94bb1d3c714@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu: > Ya know, slashdot trolls are just so.... passe. Then again, seeing trolls where there are none is somewhat troubling to this observer. I hope everything's ok. -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 27 13:20:29 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? Message-ID: <1033158029.3d94bd8d63442@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Don Marti : > No way d3wd, they're in the NEWS!!!! > http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&q=slashdot+trolls I've decided google news sucks: "Your search - karl jaspers - did not match any documents. "Suggestions: "Make sure all words are spelled correctly. "Try different keywords. "Try more general keywords. "Try fewer keywords." No Karl Jaspers? I'm OUTA here. -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 27 13:44:13 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <1033158029.3d94bd8d63442@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1033158029.3d94bd8d63442@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20020927204413.GC9132@zgp.org> begin Bob Bernstein quotation of Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 04:20:29PM -0400: > No Karl Jaspers? I'm OUTA here. WTF are you talking about? Google News is your key to finding the Wesley Willis movie! http://www.sfbg.com/36/50/art_fall_film_season.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From andy at strugglers.net Fri Sep 27 13:45:47 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] In-Reply-To: <20020927183003.GL31937@flounder.net> References: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> <20020927183003.GL31937@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020927204547.GH8569@lug.org.uk> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 11:30:03AM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > Car-Free day? Cool! Maybe there will be less idiots on the road. > > Can we make Monday idiot-free day? We need more notice than that to shut off AOL! (sorry) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 27 13:48:28 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] In-Reply-To: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> References: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020927204827.GW25377@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > I already told someone I would drive her to the airport today before > I knew it was Car-Free Day. I suck. Ha ha. I just got back from the Montgomery St block party. It was mad crazy, full of pedal-powered ferris wheels and other rides, and one guy had an electric rickshaw pulled by a crazy chrome automaton! The punchline is that the couriers couldn't use Montgomery for the whole time it was up. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 27 13:50:39 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) In-Reply-To: <20020927175346.GA13859@pug.chroot.net> References: <20020927174405.LDGO16681.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> <20020927175346.GA13859@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <20020927205039.GY25377@zork.net> begin Jeremy McLeod quotation: > MUAs that don't supply In-Reply-To or References headers should be > taken out back and shot. All hail threading! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 27 13:50:05 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [declan@well.com: FC: Washington DC traffic cams are being used to boost revenue] In-Reply-To: <20020927183003.GL31937@flounder.net> References: <20020927173758.GB6199@zgp.org> <20020927183003.GL31937@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20020927205004.GX25377@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > Car-Free day? Cool! Maybe there will be less idiots on the road. s/less/fewer/ > Can we make Monday idiot-free day? [insert obvious punchline here] -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 27 14:10:08 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? Message-ID: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Don Marti : > WTF are you talking about? Google News is your key to finding the > Wesley Willis movie! How refreshing to see the term "movie," rather than "film." I hate "film." -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Sep 27 14:14:57 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) Message-ID: <1033161297.3d94ca5110319@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco : > All hail threading! So, I see balsa now offers, or, rather, defaults to, "JWZ" threading. How crackmonkey is this, and should I even care? And, how come JWZ never posts here?! -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From sneakums at zork.net Fri Sep 27 14:26:12 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 17:10:08 -0400") References: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <6u1y7fazuz.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > Quoting Don Marti : > >> WTF are you talking about? Google News is your key to finding the >> Wesley Willis movie! > > How refreshing to see the term "movie," rather than "film." I hate "film." At least your rejection of correctness is consistent. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Sep 27 14:26:50 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20020927212650.GZ25377@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > How refreshing to see the term "movie," rather than "film." I hate > "film." ITYM "fillum". FOAD, GTFOML. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Sep 27 14:47:33 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) In-Reply-To: <1033161297.3d94ca5110319@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1033161297.3d94ca5110319@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20020927214733.GB9985@zgp.org> begin Bob Bernstein quotation of Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 05:14:57PM -0400: > So, I see balsa now offers, or, rather, defaults to, "JWZ" threading. How > crackmonkey is this, and should I even care? JWZ threading is robust. The JWZ algorithm will even thread threads with messages missing -- as in a mailing list archive where traffic from proprietary mailers gets blocked but people reply to their own copies of those messages anyway. http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From bradyn at maths.tcd.ie Fri Sep 27 17:48:06 2002 From: bradyn at maths.tcd.ie (Niall Brady) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT." <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:25 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: >How long has google had this news thingie running? >http://news.google.com/help/about_news_search.html 7 days -- Niall From montaigne at att.net Wed Sep 25 23:33:22 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] on pigdog In-Reply-To: References: <20020924225800.GC25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020926063322.GA6513@localhost.localdomain> On Wed, Sep 25, 2002 at 01:56:59PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > You know, Nick, it's no secret that I've always been very attracted to > you, but it's not like I'm not mature enough to set that aside and > really listen when the situation requires it. I'm getting kinda hot just reading this. I may start wanking. As for sucking, the mere mention of the term "pigdog" in any context will render said context completely sucky. It's a hard truth to swallow, I know, but there it is. -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 18:48:27 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20020928014827.GB8701@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 01:48:06AM +0100, Niall Brady wrote: > 7 days Jesus, Mary and Joseph, finally a simple straightforward question gets a simple straightforward answer. Saints Be Praised. -- montaigne From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Sep 27 19:06:19 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020928014827.GB8701@localhost.localdomain> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928014827.GB8701@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020928020619.GD20790@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 01:48:06AM +0100, Niall Brady wrote: > > > 7 days > > Jesus, Mary and Joseph, finally a simple straightforward question gets > a simple straightforward answer. > > Saints Be Praised. You're on the wrong list. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lQ6ajLHcIq3dHxYRAj7OAJsFWDExUOZibAUuN3NW1BPcUC4pIQCgjCcw DmgDI0eGP7hwo3SaHpm3xNA= =qr+i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlos at laviola.org Fri Sep 27 19:44:46 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) In-Reply-To: <20020927214733.GB9985@zgp.org> References: <1033161297.3d94ca5110319@mail.spamcop.net> <20020927214733.GB9985@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020928024446.GA2092@laviola.org> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:47:33PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > begin Bob Bernstein quotation of Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 05:14:57PM -0400: > > > So, I see balsa now offers, or, rather, defaults to, "JWZ" threading. How > > crackmonkey is this, and should I even care? > > JWZ threading is robust. But will it scale well? -- Carlos Laviola From carlos at laviola.org Fri Sep 27 22:03:17 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <6u1y7fazuz.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> <6u1y7fazuz.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020928050316.GA12621@laviola.org> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 10:26:12PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > > How refreshing to see the term "movie," rather than "film." I hate "film." > > At least your rejection of correctness is consistent. In case you want to revive this moment, I have taped it and turned into a feature film. -- Carlos Laviola From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 22:24:43 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020928020619.GD20790@8ball.wox.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928014827.GB8701@localhost.localdomain> <20020928020619.GD20790@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020928052443.GA15995@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 09:06:19PM -0500, Citizen Hicks wrote: > > Saints Be Praised. > > You're on the wrong list. Tut tut my dear fellow. Can't you see I'm doing my impression of Barry Fitzgerald? Wait 'til I get into my notoriously wacky Pat O'Brien/Frank McHugh routines! -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Fri Sep 27 22:27:17 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020927212650.GZ25377@zork.net> References: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> <20020927212650.GZ25377@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020928052717.GB15995@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:26:50PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > FOAD, GTFOML. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, not much left to the imagination here, AND NOT MUCH FUCKING DOUBT AS TO WHO'S THE FUCKING ALPHA MONKEY ON THIS FUCKING LIST. -- montaigne From brian at hyperreal.org Fri Sep 27 23:53:52 2002 From: brian at hyperreal.org (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Mr. Bad: Off His Meds? (was Re: Ogg Vorbis vs.) In-Reply-To: <20020928024446.GA2092@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020927235259.C31164-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Carlos Laviola wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 02:47:33PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > > begin Bob Bernstein quotation of Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 05:14:57PM -0400: > > > > > So, I see balsa now offers, or, rather, defaults to, "JWZ" threading. How > > > crackmonkey is this, and should I even care? > > > > JWZ threading is robust. > > But will it scale well? Or will it just quit out of frustration, and go open a nightclub? Brian From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 28 00:11:01 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:00 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE BOY WHO LOVED TRANSIT Message-ID: <20020928071101.GA15499@zork.net> http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1111/1824_304/85882845/p1/article.jhtml > Six weeks earlier, Darius had been paroled from the Elmira > Correctional Facility, near Binghamton, New York, where he had > served two years for attempted grand larceny--"attempted" because he > had signed out NYCTA vehicles for surface use (extinguishing track > fires, supervising maintenance projects) and then signed them back > in according to procedure. Darius has never worked for the NYCTA; he > has never held a steady job. He is thirty-seven and has spent a > third of his adult life in prison for victimless offenses related to > transit systems. My dad knew a guy like this who used to spend all day poring over Metro Bus timetables at the Seattle Public Library. One day he hopped into a bus and drove it through its route. Everybody knew something was up because he did it courteously and promptly. Metro did a nice thing and let him do community service for his fine, staffing the helpline or something else that put his talents at grokking bus routes and timetables to work. But it wasn't long before he commandeered another bus. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Sat Sep 28 10:00:42 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:01 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020928052717.GB15995@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Sep 2002, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > Jesus, Mary and Joseph, not much left to the imagination here, AND NOT > MUCH FUCKING DOUBT AS TO WHO'S THE FUCKING ALPHA MONKEY ON THIS > FUCKING LIST. Please stop shouting. You are hurting me. PS Jane Goodall is the alpha monkey From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 28 10:41:44 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:01 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020928174144.GH15499@zork.net> ph33r th3 phr33d0m!!!!! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- crack@phreedom.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mike at embody.org Sat Sep 28 10:57:53 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:01 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> begin Niall Brady quotation: > 7 days Wrong. It's been out of beta for 7 days (maybe 8 now). It's been running for months. -md From ron at vnetworx.net Sat Sep 28 11:01:40 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020928174144.GH15499@zork.net> References: <20020928174144.GH15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <1033236101.31989.112264.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 13:41, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ph33r th3 phr33d0m!!!!! > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > crack@phreedom.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. > But who will tell us when to change the bongwater now? From modus at as220.org Sat Sep 28 12:50:22 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org>; from inkblot@movealong.org on Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 08:22:11AM -0500 References: <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan looked into the void, and said: > So far I've just been a passive observer in this thread. I apologize > in advance if I misrepresent what anyone has written, but I believe > this is an accurate diagram of most if not all of the jokes that have > been made since the thread stopped being about Thom or Ogg Vorbis vs. > MP3: > > "Penis" --> "Ha ha" I'd just like to add that MP3 compression sounds glassy in the treble range and inconsistent in the bass, while Ogg Vorbis offers more solid bass and clearer treble. The Ogg Vorbis compression algorithm is also more efficient, so a similar quality .ogg will have a smaller file size than the equivalent .mp3 (and a similar size .ogg will have higher fidelity.) Plus, Ogg Vorbis is free of patent restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior ... and failing that, I'd like a pony.. -- Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig modus@as220.org | . From sneakums at zork.net Sat Sep 28 11:33:49 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Sat, 28 Sep 2002 15:50:22 -0400") References: <20020925030019.A13116@as220.org> <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> Message-ID: <6u4rca9d6a.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Matt Obert quotation: > The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan looked into the void, and said: > >> So far I've just been a passive observer in this thread. I apologize >> in advance if I misrepresent what anyone has written, but I believe >> this is an accurate diagram of most if not all of the jokes that have >> been made since the thread stopped being about Thom or Ogg Vorbis vs. >> MP3: >> >> "Penis" --> "Ha ha" > > I'd just like to add that MP3 compression sounds glassy in the > treble range and inconsistent in the bass, while Ogg Vorbis offers > more solid bass and clearer treble. The Ogg Vorbis compression > algorithm is also more efficient, so a similar quality .ogg will > have a smaller file size than the equivalent .mp3 (and a similar > size .ogg will have higher fidelity.) Plus, Ogg Vorbis is free of > patent restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love > to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior ... and > failing that, I'd like a pony.. I'm sure Dr. Whee can easily refute your ill-founded and poorly-phrased arguments. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From squinky at dasbistro.com Sat Sep 28 12:18:10 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> References: <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 03:50:22PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > I'd just like to add that MP3 compression sounds glassy in > the treble range and inconsistent in the bass, while Ogg > Vorbis offers more solid bass and clearer treble. The Ogg > Vorbis compression algorithm is also more efficient, so a > similar quality .ogg will have a smaller file size than > the equivalent .mp3 (and a similar size .ogg will have > higher fidelity.) Plus, Ogg Vorbis is free of patent > restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love > to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior > ... and failing that, I'd like a pony.. Not true. I fell into this rhetoric too, but then found out that Ogg Vorbis files not only sounded worse, but took up _more_ space than an MP3. I had to convert all of my Ogg Vorbis files back over to MP3. Now they don't sound all tinny and overmodulated. Besides, now that the MP3 licensing has been squared away, you know that MP3 will have a secure financial future, whereas Ogg Vorbis doesn't even have commercial support. From dmarti at zgp.org Sat Sep 28 13:05:39 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE BOY WHO LOVED TRANSIT In-Reply-To: <20020928071101.GA15499@zork.net> References: <20020928071101.GA15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020928200539.GA22701@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 12:11:01AM -0700: > My dad knew a guy like this who used to spend all day poring over > Metro Bus timetables at the Seattle Public Library. One day he hopped > into a bus and drove it through its route. Everybody knew something > was up because he did it courteously and promptly. Headline: Subway joyride ends with arrest Publish Date: 05/14/1993 New York (AP) -- Keron Thomas was a subway buff, hanging around train stations and crew rooms, making friends with workers, asking questions and, above all, watching. By all accounts, he was a fine student indeed. Transit officials on Monday accused the 16-year-old of posing as a motorman and taking a 10-car subway train with hundreds of passengers on a two-hour, 45-mile ride on the system's longest line Saturday. http://www.mndaily.com/daily/gopher-archives/1993/05/14/Subway_joyride_ends_with_arrest.txt -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Sep 28 13:19:41 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE BOY WHO LOVED TRANSIT Message-ID: <1033244381.3d960eddcda6e@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Don Marti : > Transit officials on Monday accused the 16-year-old of posing as a > motorman and taking a 10-car subway train with hundreds of passengers > on a two-hour, 45-mile ride on the system's longest line Saturday. So there is still hope for mankind. I once worked several years with a guy who had some similar, shall we say, "issues." Ed, it seems, had gone off to Korea at age nineteen, and spent far too many months in command of a half-track mounted with quad 50's. Ed was never the same after that; who would be? So it came as no real surprise to learn that Ed carried in his wallet a newspaper clipping detailing his exploit, which involved stealing a Boston Fire Department ladder truck from a working fire and driving it into a petunia patch in the Public Garden near the Frog Pond. The clipping's headline? "Crazed Vet Runs Amuck" -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Sep 28 13:24:17 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> References: <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Matt Obert quotation: > > restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love > to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior > ... and failing that, I'd like a pony.. I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. Here is the requested documentation: http://www.bestbuy.com/PersonalAudio/PortableMP3/index.asp?m=58&cat=63 - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2WD/EACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2kcQCbBMfPLpGShZsQxKOFoKFts5kw WpcAnAvQ+HUav7yttds3dOuJ4IbQOZjL =N+/8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremym at loonix.org Sat Sep 28 13:28:59 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE BOY WHO LOVED TRANSIT In-Reply-To: <20020928200539.GA22701@zgp.org> References: <20020928071101.GA15499@zork.net> <20020928200539.GA22701@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020928202859.GD17959@pug.chroot.net> On Sat Sep 28, 2002 at 01:05:39PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Headline: Subway joyride ends with arrest > Publish Date: 05/14/1993 Man, that's old. I wasn't even born when that happened. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Sep 28 14:22:05 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> References: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020928212205.GA611@perkypants.org> > I had to convert all of my Ogg Vorbis files back over to MP3. Now they > don't sound all tinny and overmodulated. Haha. So you re-encoded your Ogg files as MP3 files, and you'd like us to believe you that they sounded better? Good bye, thank you for playing! - Jeff -- "Life is short. Forgive quickly. Kiss slowly." - Robert Doisneau From bker at yage.net Sat Sep 28 17:20:22 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> References: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 04:24:17PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. Yes, you can waste your money at any number of places. This proves what, exactly? -- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Sep 28 17:38:40 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin bker@yage.net quotation: > > > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. > > Yes, you can waste your money at any number of places. This proves what, > exactly? Some people believe the purpose of a music compression algorithm is to embarrass the RIAA and show the folly of the DMCA. Others like to listen to music. Neither accomplishes anything without the other. Ogg Vorbis is a curiosity unless there's hardware on the shelves and people are buying it. It neither enhances the listening experience nor hurts the RIAA monopoly if half a dozen bearded fat guys are using it. It's like the RFCs; you need both rough consensus AND working code, or you're wasting your time. MP3 has rough consensus and working code. Ogg Vorbis has working code. It works better, but more people speak Esperanto than use it. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2WS48ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1BXACg1utAdqP1ZPyemNdiNgepX93A hnMAoPdzLdojht15bV3MQDHP05OL0gaJ =ltrU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat Sep 28 17:45:14 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:24:17 EDT." <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> References: <20020925055403.GA11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200209290045.g8T0jL6E015149@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:24:17 EDT, Shawn McMahon said: > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. I hear they also sell VHS players and Microsoft products. Your point is? From sneakums at zork.net Sat Sep 28 17:46:02 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Sat, 28 Sep 2002 20:38:40 -0400") References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> Message-ID: <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > Neither accomplishes anything without the other. Ogg Vorbis is a > curiosity unless there's hardware on the shelves and people are > buying it. I have a piece of hardware here that I use to (among other things) transport and play back about twelve gigs of Ogg Vorbis files. It's called a laptop. Perhaps you have heard of them. > It's like the RFCs; you need both rough consensus AND working code, or > you're wasting your time. MP3 has rough consensus and working code. MP3 doesn't have rough consensus: it has a big licensing organisation and a user base that has yet to be even offered a choice. A monopoly is not a consensus. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From bker at yage.net Sat Sep 28 17:59:35 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> References: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929005935.GB1062@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 08:38:40PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Some people believe the purpose of a music compression algorithm is to > embarrass the RIAA and show the folly of the DMCA. There are numerous stupid people in the world. > Others like to listen to music. Yes, and Ogg sounds better. > Neither accomplishes anything without the other. Ogg Vorbis is a > curiosity unless there's hardware on the shelves and people are buying > it. It neither enhances the listening experience nor hurts the RIAA > monopoly if half a dozen bearded fat guys are using it. The only hardware you need is a PC. Or a laptop. Or a PDA. Oggs can be played pretty much anywhere, curiosity status notwithstanding. > It's like the RFCs; you need both rough consensus AND working code, or > you're wasting your time. MP3 has rough consensus and working code. > Ogg Vorbis has working code. It works better, but more people speak > Esperanto than use it. Irrelevant. Nothing stops me from using it anywhere I want to. Kinda like Esperanto. -- From carlos at laviola.org Sat Sep 28 17:58:48 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020929005848.GA1358@laviola.org> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 01:46:02AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > > > Neither accomplishes anything without the other. Ogg Vorbis is a > > curiosity unless there's hardware on the shelves and people are > > buying it. > > I have a piece of hardware here that I use to (among other things) > transport and play back about twelve gigs of Ogg Vorbis files. It's > called a laptop. Perhaps you have heard of them. Well, shit, I can carry my desktop on my shoulder, but that isn't very practical, is it? I thought we were discussing more embedded devices, like a discman or a car player. Hopefully Tremor will encourage the use of Vorbis on these situations. -- Carlos Laviola From dmarti at zgp.org Sat Sep 28 18:02:25 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020929010225.GB26587@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 01:46:02AM +0100: > MP3 doesn't have rough consensus: it has a big licensing organisation > and a user base that has yet to be even offered a choice. A monopoly > is not a consensus. If scientists can grow pig's teeth in rats, can they grow balls on consumer electronics companies? http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992854 -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Sep 28 18:08:13 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Tremor [Was: Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3] In-Reply-To: <20020929005848.GA1358@laviola.org> References: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020929005848.GA1358@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020929010813.GE611@perkypants.org> > Hopefully Tremor will encourage the use of Vorbis on these situations. Is Tremor (libivorbis) ABI compatible with libvorbis? It would be cool to have a drop-in replacement package for libivorbis on Debian, that let you play Ogg files reliably on older / smaller hardware, with all of your normal Ogg-happy software. - Jeff -- "If your life was a movie, would you pay to see it? Would you pay to see an advertisement for it?" - James Morris From bker at yage.net Sat Sep 28 18:13:14 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929005848.GA1358@laviola.org> References: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020929005848.GA1358@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20020929011314.GC1062@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 09:58:48PM -0300, Carlos Laviola wrote: > Well, shit, I can carry my desktop on my shoulder, but that isn't very > practical, is it? I thought we were discussing more embedded devices, > like a discman or a car player. ^^^^^^^^^^ Car Stereo Line In <--------------- PDA/Laptop Headphone/Line Out Not terribly difficult. -- From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Sat Sep 28 18:25:48 2002 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> References: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929012547.GB554@offended.co.uk> * Shawn McMahon (smcmahon@eiv.com) wrote: > begin Matt Obert quotation: > > > > restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love > > to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior > > ... and failing that, I'd like a pony.. > > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. I bet they sell tape players too. Tape players! Tom. -- .^. .-------------------------------------------------------. /V\ | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /( )\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From modus at as220.org Sat Sep 28 21:14:50 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 12:18:10PM -0700 References: <20020925051509.A14140@as220.org> <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2002 at 03:50:22PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > > > I'd just like to add that MP3 compression sounds glassy in > > the treble range and inconsistent in the bass, while Ogg > > Vorbis offers more solid bass and clearer treble. The Ogg > > Vorbis compression algorithm is also more efficient, so a > > similar quality .ogg will have a smaller file size than > > the equivalent .mp3 (and a similar size .ogg will have > > higher fidelity.) Plus, Ogg Vorbis is free of patent > > restrictions. This thread is going nowhere fast. I'd love > > to hear some well-documented reasons why MP3s are superior > > ... and failing that, I'd like a pony.. > > Not true. I fell into this rhetoric too, but then found out that Ogg > Vorbis files not only sounded worse, but took up _more_ space than an > MP3. I had to convert all of my Ogg Vorbis files back over to MP3. > Now they don't sound all tinny and overmodulated. You are lying. If a sound file or image has already been subjected to lossy compression, you can't put the missing information back by converting them. The whole concept of sound fidelity is of "faithfulness" to the original source. To get better fidelity from different compression, you'd have to start with the uncompressed original. Did you also convert all your .jpg images to .gif files? > Besides, now that the MP3 licensing has been squared away, you know > that MP3 will have a secure financial future, whereas Ogg Vorbis > doesn't even have commercial support. When you say "squared away" you mean what, exactly? -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From jdub at perkypants.org Sat Sep 28 20:00:30 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020929030029.GH611@perkypants.org> > > Besides, now that the MP3 licensing has been squared away, you know > > that MP3 will have a secure financial future, whereas Ogg Vorbis > > doesn't even have commercial support. > > When you say "squared away" you mean what, exactly? Banished by badly dressed men in thick-rimmed glasses. - Jeff -- "you misspelt 'world dominatrix'" - James Wilkinson From ron at vnetworx.net Sat Sep 28 20:12:18 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1033269139.32164.135179.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 20:38, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Ogg Vorbis is a curiosity unless there's hardware on the shelves and > people are buying it. ITYM shitloads of .ogg files on p2p networks and people are downloading them. > It neither enhances the listening experience nor hurts the RIAA > monopoly if half a dozen bearded fat guys are using it. They'll be annoyed when they find out you publicly called them bearded. From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Sat Sep 28 22:50:46 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929012547.GB554@offended.co.uk> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929012547.GB554@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020929055046.GA31129@columbus.rr.com> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 02:25:48AM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Shawn McMahon (smcmahon@eiv.com) wrote: > > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. > I bet they sell tape players too. > Tape players! Yeah, it's an outrage that the audiocassette industry is allowed to maintain its monopolistic hold on analogue music. Everyone should know by now that phonograph (or as you Ukrainians call them, gramophone) records are better for having no moving parts and no wow-and-flutter. -- Matthew "Not master of analogy" Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From nick at zork.net Sat Sep 28 23:18:00 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020929061800.GI15499@zork.net> learn procmail, troll. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- crackmonkey@areality.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 07:33:15 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <200209290045.g8T0jL6E015149@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <200209290045.g8T0jL6E015149@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020929143315.GA9620@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > > > I can walk into Best Buy and purchase an MP3 player. > > I hear they also sell VHS players and Microsoft products. Your point is? That they also sell DVD players and Linux. But they don't sell Ogg Vorbis players. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XDysACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0IhACfQuKadxXwkiA+X+myxTSexVgz x0MAn3wWk5XTwAcbJ5k4QoSog73C6QLB =ARKg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 07:34:18 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929002022.GA1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929003840.GB32195@eiv.com> <6uznu18vxx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020929143418.GB9620@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Shawn Neakums quotation: > > MP3 doesn't have rough consensus: it has a big licensing organisation > and a user base that has yet to be even offered a choice. A monopoly > is not a consensus. I'm glad you agree that Ogg Vorbis is not yet a choice. Wake me when it is. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XD2kACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0H7QCg/PkMICWQOt4fWaGDvKTOjEXK /XMAoL5xX1ECrQrvZ9YdQs9qz91ezcPL =b9At -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 07:36:13 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> Message-ID: <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Matt Obert quotation: > > You are lying. If a sound file or image has already been subjected > to lossy compression, you can't put the missing information back > by converting them. The whole concept of sound fidelity is of Congratulations. You have been trolled. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XD9wACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2m3wCcDF3X52Lr15rLkF/3L+CKZ9VA 44MAn2pnLBgS64VVrbfiwyDb8BRcnCy6 =EvRU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Sep 29 10:04:52 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> References: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> begin Shawn McMahon quotation of Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 10:36:13AM -0400: > Congratulations. You have been trolled. I fail to see how either MP3 or Ogg Vorbis helps Artists. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Sep 29 11:06:05 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:04:52 -0700") References: <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "dm" == Don Marti writes: dm> I fail to see how either MP3 or Ogg Vorbis helps Artists. in The PRC, other forms of music are banned by the government as ``against party principles,'' so Ogg Vorbis and MP3 are important tools for cooperating with government oppression, and thus, PROFIT. Step 1: Cooperate with government oppression. Step 2: ????? Step 3: PROFIT! -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Sep 29 11:12:20 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929055046.GA31129@columbus.rr.com> (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com's message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:50:46 -0400") References: <20020925165453.GC23882@dasbistro.com> <20020925174653.GB11166@dasbistro.com> <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928202417.GB31327@eiv.com> <20020929012547.GB554@offended.co.uk> <20020929055046.GA31129@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "m" == mwmiller writes: m> gramophone) records are better for having no moving parts and m> no wow-and-flutter. http://www.cs.huji.ac.il/~springer/ -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 11:45:09 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> References: <20020925191309.GA27317@dasbistro.com> <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > > I fail to see how either MP3 or Ogg Vorbis helps Artists. Well, it depends on how you define "help". If you define it as "help them make a profit", you're right, it currently isn't doing much for that end. It can long-term, however, if artists begin using it to sell their music directly to consumers. For that to happen, a micropayment scheme will have to be in place and in widespread use. That's one reason the RIAA et. al. are opposed to making that work, even though in the short term they'd make all the money from it. If you define it as "help them reach listeners with their art", which is the goal of many artists, it helps them now. It's easier to find a Christian Kane MP3 than one of his CDs. Not much easier, but some; and as a result, there are people listening to his music who may never even SEE one of his CDs for sale. But you knew all that, and were just trolling me. :-) - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XSjUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3OEgCg9kkr5v7dwkuACzV1vY3jk5sW mywAnRDoMsai5uyeOx79ylCO3U0cFMB2 =hgjM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bker at yage.net Sun Sep 29 12:03:02 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> References: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929190302.GD1062@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 02:45:09PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > If you define it as "help them make a profit", you're right, it > currently isn't doing much for that end. Yup. However, an artist who cares about profit isn't one. -- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 12:07:25 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929190302.GD1062@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929190302.GD1062@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20020929190725.GA10753@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin bker@yage.net quotation: > > Yup. However, an artist who cares about profit isn't one. Bullshit. An artist who doesn't care about profit is either dead from starvation, or unhappy because he's having to spend his time working for a living instead of creating. A happy artist is one who is making the kind of music he wants to make and making a shitload of money doing it. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XT20ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3LUACdHEgwhEQqNEnLgoORkesTwaP9 qD0AoILEWr0B5n8ru/7nse+U6yH76l7e =FSAi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Sun Sep 29 12:10:46 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> References: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929191046.GA4293@zgp.org> begin Shawn McMahon quotation of Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 02:45:09PM -0400: > If you define it as "help them make a profit", you're right, it > currently isn't doing much for that end. It can long-term, however, if > artists begin using it to sell their music directly to consumers. For > that to happen, a micropayment scheme will have to be in place and in > widespread use. That's one reason the RIAA et. al. are opposed to > making that work, even though in the short term they'd make all the > money from it. Micropayments won't work without consistent meta-info. In order for any compensation system to work, the "credits" on digital music files need to be easy to parse. You can write a script to say "x% of the software I ran on my Debian box last month is copyright FSF" but you can't probably can't say "x% of the Ogg Vorbis listening I did last month is copyright Wesley Willis". -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 12:20:44 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929191046.GA4293@zgp.org> References: <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929191046.GA4293@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020929192044.GA10942@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > > Micropayments won't work without consistent meta-info. > > In order for any compensation system to work, the "credits" on > digital music files need to be easy to parse. You can write a It doesn't have to ensure 100% payment to work. Most people won't screw around with searching for songs on Gnutella and getting crappy recordings etc. if it costs 1 cent to download off the artist's web site. There will be some sharing, but existing copyright law covers that, and it wouldn't be all that much worse than what happens now with CDs, which of course are not keyed to the original purchaser. Really, all it needs is a consistent header for the artist's web site information, so that when you do get that shared file, you can easily find out where to go get more of his music. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XUosACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3NhgCfQeRSf77a359ztaan438TmWT9 yP8AoKJHGlCSs9gCpvipPMC4zj0DxIa/ =cajl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 29 12:39:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:02 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> References: <20020925193418.GC11166@dasbistro.com> <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929193935.GK15499@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > For that to happen, a micropayment scheme will have to be in place > and in widespread use. http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-22 -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Sep 29 13:02:56 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini Message-ID: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:03:02PM -0400, bker@yage.net wrote: > an artist who cares about profit isn't one. What makes you think you can come here and post all this off-topic echoing-vanity slashdot crap? If you don't know what ``troll'' means then you need to lurk longer or read more archives. More likely, it's not your fault---you're just stupid. In that case, shut up, unsubscribe, or both. Thank you for your prompt cooperation in this urgent matter. From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Sep 29 13:29:20 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929193935.GK15499@zork.net> References: <20020926222030.GE26861@zork.net> <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929193935.GK15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2001-06-22 You're right, the only model that will work is the current one, and we'll all have to go on paying $15 for $0.10 media so that the artist can make 1 cent per album. We should stop all this "progress" nonsense right now. In fact, let's go back to vinyl. CDs suck. 78 RPM was good enough for great-grandpa, it's good enough for me. Thanks for the enlightenment. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2XYqAACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1IJgCgnc7uWQQcAA4l/spEl9Vm5Bk3 0HgAoLS8g9GN/a/gNW/dVBQlVZAdLI/m =m/+o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Sep 29 13:43:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929193935.GK15499@zork.net> <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929204337.GL15499@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > You're right, the only model that will work is the current one, and > we'll all have to go on paying $15 for $0.10 media so that the > artist can make 1 cent per album. We should stop all this > "progress" nonsense right now. In fact, let's go back to vinyl. > CDs suck. 78 RPM was good enough for great-grandpa, it's good > enough for me. Furthermore, artists deserve to be paid. That's why I'm instituting a state-mandated pay rise for kinko's clerks and waiters! Get money to the artists via the only proven mechanism: dead-end shit-jobs! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Sep 29 14:20:09 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929204337.GL15499@zork.net> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> <20020929204337.GL15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <200209291720.09929.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | Furthermore, artists deserve to be paid. artists who deserve to be paid are paid. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun Sep 29 14:25:52 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929190725.GA10753@eiv.com> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929190302.GD1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929190725.GA10753@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020929212552.GA857@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin bker@yage.net quotation: > > > > Yup. However, an artist who cares about profit isn't one. > > Bullshit. An artist who doesn't care about profit is either dead from > starvation, or unhappy because he's having to spend his time working for > a living instead of creating. Yeah, that's what they call a REAL artist. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9l2/fjLHcIq3dHxYRAuj1AJ45iEkemAWGC0xGmGYEsOMInSZ64gCg5KFW Qd2lUAKsMew/Jsspprev0j0= =/UUO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun Sep 29 17:10:52 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:20:09 EDT." <200209291720.09929.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> <20020929204337.GL15499@zork.net> <200209291720.09929.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <200209300010.g8U0Aq6E028918@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:20:09 EDT, dep said: > artists who deserve to be paid are paid. That's why somebody was recently paid like $38M too NOT produce an album... From carlos at laviola.org Sun Sep 29 17:29:25 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929190725.GA10753@eiv.com> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929190302.GD1062@localhost.localdomain> <20020929190725.GA10753@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020930002925.GA3151@laviola.org> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:07:25PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin bker@yage.net quotation: > > > > Yup. However, an artist who cares about profit isn't one. > > Bullshit. An artist who doesn't care about profit is either dead from > starvation, or unhappy because he's having to spend his time working for > a living instead of creating. A happy artist is one who is making the > kind of music he wants to make and making a shitload of money doing it. Man, this list is turning into such a predictable trollfest that it's not even funny anymore. Really, you guys HAVE to be circle-jerking around this thing. Please. Don't tell me you're all trolldozing each other without a previous arrangement. -- Carlos Laviola From sam at dasbistro.com Sun Sep 29 17:35:28 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ogg Vorbis vs. MP3 (was Re: on pigdog) In-Reply-To: <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> References: <87smzvg49i.fsf@pigdog.org> <20020927132211.GA15526@movealong.org> <20020928155022.A2852@as220.org> <20020928191810.GB20752@dasbistro.com> <20020929001450.B8175@as220.org> <20020929143613.GC9620@eiv.com> <20020929170451.GC2647@zgp.org> <20020929184509.GA10671@eiv.com> <20020929193935.GK15499@zork.net> <20020929202920.GA11364@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020930003528.GF9328@dasbistro.com> On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 04:29:20PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > In fact, let's go back to vinyl. CDs suck. 78 RPM was good enough > for great-grandpa, it's good enough for me. Dude, you're right. Vinyl sounds 50 times better that than digital shit. It's ANALOG. All the waves are already analog so converting anything to digital will be lossy and sound horrible. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Sep 29 17:39:36 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020928052717.GB15995@localhost.localdomain> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 28 Sep 2002 01:27:17 -0400") References: <1033161008.3d94c9308d023@mail.spamcop.net> <20020927212650.GZ25377@zork.net> <20020928052717.GB15995@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: >>>>> "att" == Michel de Montaigne writes: att> AND NOT MUCH FUCKING DOUBT AS TO WHO'S THE FUCKING You know, we're really not kidding when we tell you to unsubscribe. This _is_ a test, but it's not some fight club bullshit, okay? Get a clue. and I'm not talking about the Brenda Song movie. We don't like you. 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