From pawal at blipp.com Tue Oct 1 03:00:24 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:03 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? Message-ID: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> Why pirates, why not vikings? http://www.rathergood.com/vikings/ Sorry, it's flash, for those who dislike that sort of thing. I won't draw it in ascii. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 1 03:16:10 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:24 +0200") References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > Why pirates, why not vikings? Because there are no good Viking jokes. Duh. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Oct 1 04:50:22 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Sean Neakums's quote: | commence Patrik Wallstrom quotation: | > Why pirates, why not vikings? | | Because there are no good Viking jokes. Duh. course there is. a viking named erik the red was out with his marauding horde when precipitation began to fall. there were those in his band of merry savages who said it was snowing, but erik said it was raining. the argument continued, and erik solved it by having the head cut off of those who disagreed. his wife asked him why. "erik the red knows rain, dear," he replied. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From brian at 8ball.wox.org Tue Oct 1 05:13:20 2002 From: brian at 8ball.wox.org (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! Message-ID: <20021001121320.GA8907@8ball.wox.org> In honor of Mailman Day, here's a joke: One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, "You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?" And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 1 05:21:19 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021001122119.GD19484@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Shawn Neakums quotation: > > Because there are no good Viking jokes. Duh. I dunno, did you see the Seahawks game? And there's the whole Randy Moss thing; that's gotta be good for a chuckle or two. Or maybe just "bork bork, it's driving me nuts". - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2Zkz4ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1f4wCdE9h59ZeyWm8bdzjvJmLXGxPn icMAn2OScwX2MoiBG+LA4Q3A85OXOz4C =A/ne -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 1 05:34:53 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 07:50, dep wrote: > begin Sean Neakums's quote: > | commence Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > | > Why pirates, why not vikings? > | > | Because there are no good Viking jokes. Duh. > > course there is. a viking named erik the red was out with his If you loved that one, you'll love this one too: A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely saying, "I must have taken Leif off my census." -- Louis Rukeyser wouldn't be caught dead with puns like this From silverback at pigdog.org Tue Oct 1 06:03:54 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> (Niall Brady's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:40:58 +0100") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <87y99i2tvp.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NB" == Niall Brady writes: NB> THANKS FOR THE USEFUL INFORMATION. THANKS FOR THE KETAMINE INFO -TMS -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Oct 1 06:28:04 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> Message-ID: <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Ron Guerin's quote: | A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his | name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on | complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely | saying, "I must have taken Leif off my census." same guy returned from a raid on africa with many animals. the king of wherever the hell it is that vikings found so objectionable that they raided everybody else demanded one each of the animals, and the viking raider did this -- with all but one of the species. so the king called him in and made his command: "turn over a gnu, leif!" -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mike at embody.org Tue Oct 1 07:20:14 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> begin Niall Brady quotation: > THANKS FOR THE USEFUL INFORMATION. Forfiku vin trolo. -md From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 1 07:35:27 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> References: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021001143527.GG857@8ball.wox.org> commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > You! Learn procmail PROPERLY, kid. > > And you, your little mackertosher address is NOT, I repeat NOT > impressive! > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > mpal1+cm@ieee.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > mpal1@mac.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- Of course his makertosher address is not impressive! That's why he's using his Eye-Triple-E address! Of course, the best part is that his aieeeeeeeee address is just forwarded to his makertosher one. -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 1 07:39:02 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence dep quotation: > begin Ron Guerin's quote: > > | A famous Viking explorer returned home from a voyage and found his > | name missing from the town register. His wife insisted on > | complaining to the local civic official who apologized profusely > | saying, "I must have taken Leif off my census." > > same guy returned from a raid on africa with many animals. the king of > wherever the hell it is that vikings found so objectionable that they > raided everybody else demanded one each of the animals, and the > viking raider did this -- with all but one of the species. so the > king called him in and made his command: "turn over a gnu, leif!" Man, those jokes are even less funny if you know the real pronounciation of the name "Leif". - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mbOFjLHcIq3dHxYRAidpAJ9kqb+2dWUh486BJOp8UMR2nOT+3QCfXPe8 HAQcs8u1cEzwhjEj7io4t1M= =hrG/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at enberg.org Tue Oct 1 08:46:36 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> (Citizen Hicks's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:39:02 -0500") References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <87y99imaar.fsf@enberg.org> Citizen Hicks writes: > commence dep quotation: >> same guy returned from a raid on africa with many animals. the king of >> wherever the hell it is that vikings found so objectionable that they >> raided everybody else demanded one each of the animals, and the >> viking raider did this -- with all but one of the species. so the >> king called him in and made his command: "turn over a gnu, leif!" > > Man, those jokes are even less funny if you know the real pronounciation > of the name "Leif". Or Gnu. -- Yo mama's so ugly, her dentist treats her by mail-order. From sneakums at zork.net Tue Oct 1 08:51:29 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <87y99imaar.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Tue, 01 Oct 2002 17:46:36 +0200") References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <87y99imaar.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <6uy99i6ttq.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > Citizen Hicks writes: > >> commence dep quotation: >>> same guy returned from a raid on africa with many animals. the king of >>> wherever the hell it is that vikings found so objectionable that they >>> raided everybody else demanded one each of the animals, and the >>> viking raider did this -- with all but one of the species. so the >>> king called him in and made his command: "turn over a gnu, leif!" >> >> Man, those jokes are even less funny if you know the real pronounciation >> of the name "Leif". > > Or Gnu. Or GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST, YOU WITLESS BOOBS! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From henrik at enberg.org Tue Oct 1 09:56:35 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <6uy99i6ttq.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Tue, 01 Oct 2002 16:51:29 +0100") References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <87y99imaar.fsf@enberg.org> <6uy99i6ttq.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87ofaem724.fsf@enberg.org> Sean Neakums writes: > Or GET THE FUCK OFF MY LIST, YOU WITLESS BOOBS! Get a speech therapists. -- Yo mama's so stupid, it takes her an hour to cook minute rice. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 1 10:13:08 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:20:14AM -0700, mike dillon wrote: > > Forfiku vin trolo. Hey look! It's Esperanto, it's a cut-and-paste cliche, and it involves trolling! That there is quality mailing list banter! From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 1 10:15:19 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <6u3crq8nx1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021001171519.GE12291@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:50:22AM -0400, dep wrote: > course there is. a viking named erik the red was out with his ^^^^ ^^^ ^^^ That's not me. From henrik at enberg.org Tue Oct 1 10:20:21 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:08 -0700") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87fzvqm5yi.fsf@enberg.org> Not Erik writes: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:20:14AM -0700, mike dillon wrote: >> >> Forfiku vin trolo. > > Hey look! It's Esperanto, it's a cut-and-paste cliche, and it > involves trolling! That there is quality mailing list banter! But he doesn't have a stupid nickname. He'll never be part of the in-crowd on this list. -- Yo mama's so fat, her car is made of spandex. From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 1 10:23:51 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <87ofaem724.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010750.22821.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1033475694.27302.62337.camel@amory> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <87y99imaar.fsf@enberg.org> <6uy99i6ttq.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87ofaem724.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <1033493031.24503.73028.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-01 at 12:56, Henrik Enberg wrote: > > Get a speech therapists. Who _are_ the rapists, anyway? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 1 10:27:28 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 10:13:08 -0700") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: MD> Forfiku vin trolo. NE> Hey look! It's Esperanto, it's a cut-and-paste cliche, and it NE> involves trolling! That there is quality mailing list banter! Malfelichulo! Tia sarkasmo malhonorigas nin entute. Vi nur koleras char vi ne komprenas ghin. Se vi estus vera kokainachsimiisto, vi aprezus la humura valoro de ofta ripetado. ~S-o Malbona -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Oct 1 10:33:26 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Citizen Hicks's quote: | Man, those jokes are even less funny if you know the real | pronounciation of the name "Leif". but everyone who knows that pronunciation is dead. a not altogether bad thing. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Tue Oct 1 11:38:47 2002 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> * Mister Bad (mr.bad@pigdog.org) wrote: > >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: > > MD> Forfiku vin trolo. > > NE> Hey look! It's Esperanto, it's a cut-and-paste cliche, and it > NE> involves trolling! That there is quality mailing list banter! > > Malfelichulo! Tia sarkasmo malhonorigas nin entute. > > Vi nur koleras char vi ne komprenas ghin. Se vi estus vera > kokainachsimiisto, vi aprezus la humura valoro de ofta ripetado. > > ~S-o Malbona Hey bitchass, if I'm not allowed MIME, you get to cut that shit out too! Tom. -- .^. .-------------------------------------------------------. /V\ | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /( )\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 1 10:39:26 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin dep quotation: > > but everyone who knows that pronunciation is dead. a not altogether > bad thing. But everyone who knows that pronunciation is dead what? Speak English, troll. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2Z3c0ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3I5QCg6qP2Ir6y9BsjDs1C9iddnB+r SIgAoNOzH5KonWDWRlOVy8pSABLgjqOH =XATE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk Tue Oct 1 11:44:46 2002 From: gilbertt at linuxbrit.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> References: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021001184446.GE721@offended.co.uk> * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > You! Learn procmail PROPERLY, kid. > > And you, your little mackertosher address is NOT, I repeat NOT > impressive! > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > mpal1+cm@ieee.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > mpal1@mac.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- Pfft he just didn't want to cough up the $100 needed to keep it ;) Tom. -- .^. .-------------------------------------------------------. /V\ | Tom Gilbert, London, England | http://linuxbrit.co.uk | /( )\ | Open Source/UNIX consultant | tom@linuxbrit.co.uk | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 1 11:15:41 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:27:28PM +0200, Mister Bad wrote: > >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: > > NE> Hey look! It's Esperanto, it's a cut-and-paste cliche, and it > NE> involves trolling! That there is quality mailing list banter! > > Malfelichulo! Tia sarkasmo malhonorigas nin entute. > > Vi nur koleras char vi ne komprenas ghin. Se vi estus vera > kokainachsimiisto, vi aprezus la humura valoro de ofta ripetado. > > ~S-o Malbona Actually, let me just take a break from all of this to say that I happen to think Esperanto is a moderately cool language, though, like Lisp, I cannot see anything beyone academic reasons to study it. And, since I don't speak a word of it, I assume this would be a bad time to start an argument about the merits of original sarcasm versus sarcastic criticism of someone's sarcasm. I'd probably lose anyway. It is nice to get a retort in brand spanking new Esperanto, rather than repeated from previous postings. You could imagine my disappointment when Babelfish did not have a drop down box for Esperanto->English. From modus at as220.org Tue Oct 1 13:13:06 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 11:15:41AM -0700 References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > Actually, let me just take a break from all of this to say that I > happen to think Esperanto is a moderately cool language, though, like > Lisp, I cannot see anything beyone academic reasons to study it. Unless you are an advanced Emacs user (Common LISP) or write Script-Fu for the GIMP (Scheme is a dialect of LISP) or just admire powerful, elegant programming languages. Esperanto, on the other hand ... it might come in handy if you went to a party at the U.N., but I'm curious whether Mr. Bad has much opportunity to converse in that language (other than on this list.) > It is nice to get a retort in brand spanking new Esperanto, rather > than repeated from previous postings. You could imagine my > disappointment when Babelfish did not have a drop down box for > Esperanto->English. http://wwwtios.cs.utwente.nl/traduk/EO-EN/Translate/ http://dictionaries.travlang.com/EsperantoEnglish/ http://esperanto-panorama.net/vortaro/eoen.htm Traduku! -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From modus at as220.org Tue Oct 1 13:18:38 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com>; from smcmahon@eiv.com on Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:39:26PM -0400 References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021001161838.B4548@as220.org> Shawn McMahon looked into the void, and said: > Speak English, troll. Paroli Esperanto, trolo. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 1 11:58:53 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021001185852.GA21205@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Matt Obert quotation: > > Esperanto, on the other hand ... it might come in handy if you > went to a party at the U.N., but I'm curious whether Mr. Bad > has much opportunity to converse in that language (other than > on this list.) You'd meet far more Esperanto speakers at TNICNAZ than you would at a UN party. You'd be better off with English or French. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2Z8GwACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2uxgCcCt7XrW/3qwTjJLgsfZj+BxDd WDMAoP0If2vgKXe0aRpd35PCIkCmY7FX =CWUu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 1 12:29:01 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [fatahjm@yahoo.com: atlas talk] Message-ID: <20021001192900.GY15499@zork.net> Emad take note! BEST HOBO ATLAS EVER ----- Forwarded message from frank mccracken ----- The best RR Atlas at the moment is made by HARRY LADD! i am just here to make the case for the "best" hobo atlas. this hobo would be ashamed to spend 75 bux for an atlas. and to carry such a thing! no the best atlas is had in the library through inter-library loan if it is not available in your local library. it is called the harry ladds railroad traffic atlas and it has ALL the crew change points listed by road. NONE of the other atlases have crew change points listed. and you don't need the whole atlas. on two peices of double sided paper you can have complete u.s. coverage of the big four. u.p. bnsf, ns and csx. this should cost under 1 dollar in most metropolitan libraries. splurge a little and make double sided copies of all the class ones in the u.s this will set you back 6 pieces of paper and still be under 3 dollars. the advantage is you can hold the hold thing in you wallet AND it is so economical you can make a set then scam copies for friends in kinkos AND you can afford to make updates every time harry comes out with a new edition. (new edition coming out this winter) the pages with the crew change points is in the back under the various railroad names. also has traffic densities listed as well. kids, save your money for crack! run down today and make your own pocket sized atlass, make em for yer frens. study em up and lay your plans. best, f ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 1 12:43:39 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021001194339.GA31152@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 04:13:06PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > > > Lisp, I cannot see anything beyone academic reasons to study it. > > Unless you are an advanced Emacs user (Common LISP) or write > Script-Fu for the GIMP (Scheme is a dialect of LISP) or just > admire powerful, elegant programming languages. I meant nothing about the practicality of Lisp in general. It's one of those tools that doesn't suit me right now. Lisp is very popular, and I am confident that it is because of its own qualities, unlike languages like Javur which, much like the Backstreet Boys, enjoys great popularity due to heavy marketing and not from any actual merits. From jv at zork.net Tue Oct 1 13:17:08 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: I watch a lot of tv (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] [fatahjm@yahoo.com: atlas talk]) In-Reply-To: <20021001192900.GY15499@zork.net> References: <20021001192900.GY15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021001201707.GB14606@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Emad take note! BEST HOBO ATLAS EVER > ----- Forwarded message from frank mccracken ----- > The best RR Atlas at the moment is made by HARRY LADD! [... censor inflammatory incitement to autonomy...] > kids, save your money for cr@ck! [... especially targeting Children...] > ----- End forwarded message ----- Last evening, watching Big-Time Wrestling, I saw a psa dramatically asserting a bizarre scenario wherein The Police find a Newspapaer in a suspect's car... which is a crime... in the psa... which instructs us to Protect Our Freedom (buy newspapers). ... much quicker hop to The Police finding Terrorist Cheat-Sheets. Poor hobos; the terrorists have spoi... -jv... and you, too, children From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 1 14:04:26 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Frank's slipping Message-ID: <20021001210426.GD15499@zork.net> http://www.parody.org/layoff/critical_mass/images/P9270035.jpg His signs are getting a little more bizarre. I almost wonder if that's an impostor! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jv at zork.net Tue Oct 1 14:22:22 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: Frank cuts to the bone (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Frank's slipping) In-Reply-To: <20021001210426.GD15499@zork.net> References: <20021001210426.GD15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021001212222.GE14606@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.parody.org/layoff/critical_mass/images/P9270035.jpg > His signs are getting a little more bizarre. I almost wonder if > that's an impostor! Were his signs becoming more attached to popular memes, I'd wonder *then* whether he were an impostor. -jv... self-styled revolutionary From jv at zork.net Tue Oct 1 16:50:56 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: !Autonomy (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini) In-Reply-To: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> References: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> Ha ha. Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks. -jv begin theft from Miles Nordin : > On Sun, Sep 29, 2002 at 03:03:02PM -0400, bker@yage.net [asserted]: > > an artist who cares about profit isn't one. > What makes you think Carton dude's insecurity oozes... > you can come here ... to this crackhaus... > and post all this off-topic echoing-vanity slashdot crap? ... mmm, you *could* be more vague... but then you'd be Frank Chu... > If you don't know what ``troll'' means then you need to lurk longer or > read more archives. ... !yes; and if I don't know what "lurk" means, then I need to post to every list I can, asking lurkers to tell me about their selves... > More likely, it's not your fault---you're just stupid. ... (mmm. you don't know what makes bker think, but it's likely he's stupid)... but, !hey... the dude can spell "you're"... > In that case, shut up, ... !ha ha... wait... no; *you* shut up... !ha ha... please continue... > Thank you for your prompt cooperation in this urgent matter. ... urgent for those uncomfortable with assertions of ex-communion (alienation against community) inherent in extracting a profit (as contrasted against receiving gifts) from neighbours. Here's a bit of art, done well, but yet to perfect: cast artistic spell over audience, inspiring it to fulfill artist's falling trust. I provide useful perspective, you provoke, he trolls. Plain what Miles doesn't "get" about internet. -jv... as per subject From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 1 17:36:14 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: !Autonomy (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini) In-Reply-To: <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> References: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021002003614.GA2177@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 04:50:56PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: > Ha ha. Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks. -jv > > begin theft from Miles Nordin : > > > In that case, shut up, > > ... !ha ha... wait... no; *you* shut up... !ha ha... please continue... I think everyone just needs a hug. I tried drawing an ASCII bunny so everyone can feel happy, but it ended up looking like a cock and balls. If Sigmund Freud were alive today, you know what he'd say if I told him that? He'd say "PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SOMEONE GET ME OUT OF THIS BOX!" HAHAHAHAHA LOL!!!!11!!!!! From mpal1+cm at ieee.org Tue Oct 1 19:57:45 2002 From: mpal1+cm at ieee.org (The Roaming Aardvark) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021001184446.GE721@offended.co.uk> References: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> <20021001184446.GE721@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021002025745.GA5992@guardian.suptec.com.au> > * Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > > And you, your little mackertosher address is NOT, I repeat NOT > > impressive! > Pfft he just didn't want to cough up the $100 needed to keep it ;) Which is about $200 Austrian Dollars! Merkertosher addresses arn't that special! -- To understand me, you must understand my mind. To understand my mind, you must remember these words: Vacant space permanently confused From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 1 20:11:57 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021002025745.GA5992@guardian.suptec.com.au> References: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> <20021001184446.GE721@offended.co.uk> <20021002025745.GA5992@guardian.suptec.com.au> Message-ID: <20021002031157.GG15499@zork.net> begin The Roaming Aardvark quotation: > -- > To understand me, you must understand my mind. > To understand my mind, you must remember these words: > Vacant space permanently confused Listen up, gothboy. YOu're not so fucking mysterious and special that you don't have to FIX YOUR GODDAMN SIG DELIMITER. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mpal1+cm at ieee.org Tue Oct 1 20:24:17 2002 From: mpal1+cm at ieee.org (The Roaming Aardvark) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021002031157.GG15499@zork.net> References: <20021001012107.GT15499@zork.net> <20021001184446.GE721@offended.co.uk> <20021002025745.GA5992@guardian.suptec.com.au> <20021002031157.GG15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021002032416.GB11426@guardian.suptec.com.au> On October 01 2002, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco spake thusly: > begin The Roaming Aardvark quotation: > > -- > > To understand me, you must understand my mind. > > To understand my mind, you must remember these words: > > Vacant space permanently confused > Listen up, gothboy. YOu're not so fucking mysterious and special that > you don't have to FIX YOUR GODDAMN SIG DELIMITER. Goddamnit. Forgot aobut that. -- A CoCo can be attached to any monitor, using a nail gun. -- Bob Shannon on the Classic Computers Mailing list From bker at yage.net Tue Oct 1 22:22:06 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: !Autonomy (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini) In-Reply-To: <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> References: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021002052206.GA12230@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 04:50:56PM -0700, Juggler Vain wrote: > ... (mmm. you don't know what makes bker think, Art. > but it's likely he's stupid) I've been called worse. > ... urgent for those uncomfortable with assertions of ex-communion > (alienation against community) inherent in extracting a profit (as > contrasted against receiving gifts) from neighbours. Thank you. > I provide useful perspective, you provoke, he trolls. The funny thing is that I considered the assertion in question self-evident. Perhaps I should consider the Randian thinking that apparently pervades this list more carefully next time? Sincerely Yours, BK(er) -- Artist -- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Oct 2 05:44:23 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: !Autonomy (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini) In-Reply-To: <20021002052206.GA12230@localhost.localdomain> References: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> <20021002052206.GA12230@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021002124423.GD24251@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin bker@yage.net quotation: > > > but it's likely he's stupid) > > I've been called worse. Quelle surprise. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2a6iYACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0Q3ACg418yecKYdOsoT4k2gqP97m9d 7TYAoOyuTjcnHmqeNictaBZhyHiDW+90 =lzHd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 2 09:32:52 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:04 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021002163252.GI15499@zork.net> IT WAS ALL VAPOR ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- gary@acmevaporware.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 2 15:36:10 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:38:47PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > Hey bitchass, if I'm not allowed MIME, you get to cut that shit out too! > Cxi tiu estas legeblega ol MIME. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From ron at vnetworx.net Wed Oct 2 17:04:26 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Drew Streib is an Austrian! Message-ID: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory> Be thankful you're not Drew .... pid 12082 ok 12082 dtype.org:64.71.163.201::43947 pid 12082: 451 [1] GSD, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S322 end 12082 status 0 .... or shacking up with Hurricane Electric. From modus at as220.org Wed Oct 2 22:26:10 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Drew Streib is an Austrian! In-Reply-To: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory>; from ron@vnetworx.net on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:04:26PM -0400 References: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021003012610.B32066@as220.org> Ron Guerin looked into the void, and said: > Be thankful you're not Drew .... > > pid 12082 > ok 12082 dtype.org:64.71.163.201::43947 > pid 12082: 451 [1] GSD, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S322 > end 12082 status 0 > > .... or shacking up with Hurricane Electric. Does this mean that Aussie Drew is innocent of being a spammer, but that his email is being blocked because his ISP tolerates spammers? (Apologies to Drew Barrymore, and other female Drews, for assuming that Drew is male.) -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From modus at as220.org Wed Oct 2 22:32:38 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com>; from sam@dasbistro.com on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:36:10PM -0700 References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021003013238.C32066@as220.org> Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 07:38:47PM +0100, Tom Gilbert wrote: > > Hey bitchass, if I'm not allowed MIME, you get to cut that shit out too! > > > > Cxi tiu estas legeblega ol MIME. Except that shit ain't Esperanto! C'mon, "cxi" isn't pronouncable in any language. Try harder, trolo. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 2 21:28:32 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021003013238.C32066@as220.org> References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com> <20021003013238.C32066@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021003042832.GM15499@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > Sam Phillips looked into the void, and said: > > Cxi tiu estas legeblega ol MIME. > > Except that shit ain't Esperanto! C'mon, "cxi" isn't pronouncable > in any language. Try harder, trolo. So tell me, son. Where'd you come from, exactly? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 2 21:31:22 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021001161838.B4548@as220.org> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com> <20021001161838.B4548@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021003043122.GL32248@zork.net> Matt Obert writes: > Shawn McMahon looked into the void, and said: > > > Speak English, troll. > > Paroli Esperanto, trolo. Mi pensas, ke vi volis diri "parolu". -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From sharkey at zoic.org Wed Oct 2 21:33:40 2002 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Drew Streib is an Austrian! In-Reply-To: <20021003012610.B32066@as220.org>; from modus@as220.org on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:26:10AM -0400 References: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory> <20021003012610.B32066@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021003143339.A20293@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 01:26:10AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > Does this mean that Aussie Drew is innocent [...] Ozzie, you fool, from a contraction of "Ozzsterreich". -----sharks From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 2 21:35:10 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021003043122.GL32248@zork.net> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com> <20021001161838.B4548@as220.org> <20021003043122.GL32248@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003043510.GO15499@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Matt Obert writes: > > Shawn McMahon looked into the void, and said: > > > > > Speak English, troll. > > > > Paroli Esperanto, trolo. > > Mi pensas, ke vi volis diri "parolu". Ha ha. MPVVD "parolu" MEH, HBJ -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From modus at as220.org Wed Oct 2 23:53:28 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021003042832.GM15499@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:28:32PM -0700 References: <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com> <20021003013238.C32066@as220.org> <20021003042832.GM15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003025328.A805@as220.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > So tell me, son. Where'd you come from, exactly? Well, originally I'm Esperantese. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 2 22:38:10 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021003053810.GP15499@zork.net> Give us back our Pickett! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- modus@woozle.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From saddam at hussein.org Wed Oct 2 22:57:44 2002 From: saddam at hussein.org (Saddam Hussein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021003025328.A805@as220.org> References: <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001183847.GB721@offended.co.uk> <20021002223610.GI2677@dasbistro.com> <20021003013238.C32066@as220.org> <20021003042832.GM15499@zork.net> <20021003025328.A805@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021003055744.GA22889@woozle.org> Matt Obert looked into the void, and said: > Well, originally I'm Esperantese. ITYM "Esperantish." HTH. HAND. -- "Anger is only one letter short of danger ... and four letters short of tangerine." -- Benjamin Franklin From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 2 23:03:58 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] change of tradition? In-Reply-To: <20021003043510.GO15499@zork.net> References: <20021001100024.GA5778@vic20.blipp.com> <200210010928.04756.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001143902.GH857@8ball.wox.org> <200210011333.26450.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021001173925.GA20860@eiv.com> <20021001161838.B4548@as220.org> <20021003043122.GL32248@zork.net> <20021003043510.GO15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003060358.GX19163@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > Ha ha. > > MPVVD "parolu" > > MEH, HBJ Join the crackmonkey list, and soon you'll be speaking Esperanto like a native! -- Cheers, Rick Moen Bu^so^stopu min per kulero. rick@linuxmafia.com From schoen at loyalty.org Wed Oct 2 23:37:05 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] this is getting serious In-Reply-To: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200209201302.08104.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021003063705.GM32248@zork.net> dep writes: > not to toot my own site's horn here, but amd has jumped on the > palladium bandwagon, suggesting among other things that they think > hollings will win in the end: > > http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=232 > > i do not think very many people understand how this can (and will) > blow everybody that isn't microsoft out of the water. i mean, yeah, > it will take down pine, but it will take down the rest of the forest, > too. This article contains what I think are a number of errors. Palladium: Now AMD joins the party Posted on Friday, September 20 @ 10:07:32 EDT by staff News Advanced Micro Devices will include Microsoft's Palladium "trusted" -- meaning Microsoft-approved software only -- support in its next generation of chips, according to published reports. "Trusted" doesn't mean "Microsoft-approved software only". In the Pd design we have seen, you can write your own software to run under a Pd-aware OS and use Pd features. You can also use a completely non-Pd aware OS, the way all computer users do today. The Opteron chip, to be released in 2003, will refuse to run applications or display content that has not been digitally signed by Microsoft or one if its designees. I don't think Microsoft said that. This, Microsoft says, will increase security. Certainly it will increase the security of Microsoft Corporation and its shareholders. :-) It's good to be skeptical of what "security" means, and who's made more secure be a particular measure. While a Microsoft project, Palladium is nominally under the control of the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, of which AMD is a member. We're still trying to figure out the exact relationship between Pd and TCPA. Pd is definitely not "under the control of" TCPA, and there are concrete technical differences between the two. AMD has been working toward Palladium compliance for some time as a result of pressure from the motion picture and music industries. It has worked with Wave Systems Corporation to achieve this end; Wave published a report (pdf file) on the subject more than two years ago. I don't think "Palladium compliance" should be used as a synonym for "trusted computing". In a report in The Age entitled "Bit by bit, digital freedom disappears", writer Nathan Cochrane notes that Palladium will be all-encompassing: "For the end-to-end security features to work as envisioned by the TCPA, all parties along the network chain must build in complementary security features. That's exactly what end-to-end security _DOESN'T_ mean. If I have end-to-end communications security, using something like ssh or GPG plus proper key management, _no_ "parties along the network chain" have to include _any_ features to facilitate my security model! Routers, LANs, NICs, mail servers, can all work the same in the presence or absence of end-to-end security. Since TCPA is, in fact, an end-to-end system, no parties along the network chain must build in complementary security features. You can be sure Cisco likes this situation; they have their own DRM proposal called OCCAM which is also end-to-end and also requires no changes to existing network infrastructure. Systems in which intermediaries "along the network chain" must take some action in support of a security measure are usually called "link protection" or "link-level protection" systems, by contrast with end-to-end systems. A fair amount of existing DRM deployed in consumer electronics devices is in this category. To a certain network layer's point of view, STARTTLS in SMTP is a link protection system, because a message may be forwarded several times from SMTP server to SMTP server. Encryption is only available between pairs of servers in which both sides implement STARTTLS. Even if STARTTLS is available all along the way, each individual mail server which is asked to forward the message must decrypt it in its entirely, hold it internally in plaintext form, and then re-encrypt it for the next hop. This requires explicit software support in each mail system which might appear as a hop along the message's path, which is exactly what an end-to-end system isn't. By contrast, using GPG to encrypt the message means that intermediate mail servers have no special security obligations (in fact, they might be controlled by hostile parties), and the confidentiality and authenticity of the message can still be guaranteed by the other end. Chips from the likes of AMD and Intel will only decode information, such as audio and video, if it comes with an unlocking key. This is getting closer to the truth. On the other hand, if I give you the following information -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) jA0EAwMC6bv29oSD5YZgyRgH1nfV8NA1hvsk8h8zhTdqM9eC4V6O/ic= =hQju -----END PGP MESSAGE----- then your computer's hardware and software, open-standards based though they may be, and trusted computing features though they may lack, will still only "decode [this] information [...] if it comes with an unlocking key". The fact that you need a key to read something has to do with the fact that the thing is encrypted, not with whether your machine contains any particular chip. The real distinction is that the chips will be capable of enforcing a policy about the use of information after it's decrypted, if the encrypted information "includes" such a policy. (The traditional way to "include" a policy in a DRM system is to encrypt the data and include some kind of "rights expression" or "copyright management information" with the encrypted data, and then ensure that the means of decrypting is only available to hardware or software which is trusted to enforce a certain policy subsequent to decryption. DRM systems like that can be built on top of Pd and are more robust than DRM systems built on top of current architectures. That might be considered technical progress, but it also might be considered bad for end users, who don't necessarily, in the long run, _want_ DRM which really works.) So you might have the ability to decrypt, but the decryption will be performed only subject to certain conditions. In Pd, this is implemented at a low level using something called a platform configuration register (PCR, not to be confused with the polymerase chain reaction), which contains a hash of a particular part of the currently-running operating system. The Pd hardware can check whether the PCR contains a certain value before it will perform a decryption operation requested of it. Thus, certain decryptions can only be performed if the computer is running certain software (and other decryptions can only be performed if the computer is running other software). This never means that the computer is _incapable_ of running the software of the user's choice, but it might mean that that software can't convince the Pd hardware to decrypt certain kinds of data for it. In a slightly misleading sense, Pd (and TCPA) can say that they are adding functionality, because you gain the ability to decrypt certain messages which would otherwise have been totally incomprehensible. This may be misleading because it is not always in a person's best interest to have every conceivable capability available to him or her, especially in cases where negotiations or threats are involved. (One well-known example of this: it's a disadvantage to you to be able to open a safe if you're being robbed, assuming that you have the alternative of credibly asserting that you can't open the safe at all. The time-lock safe deliberately takes away capabilities to prevent store employees from being forced to exercise those capabilities in a way which would be disadvantageous to them. They would not necessarily be better off if they had the power to open the safe, even though it would seem that they had more choices and more capabilities that way. It's possible to construct other analogies which suggest that you might be better off in the long run _without_ certain capabilities. Nuclear weapons are an analogy along different lines: although they do give their possessor new powers or abilities, and acquiring them might be rational in certain situations, it could be that everyone, including nuclear powers, might be better off overall if nuclear weapons had never been invented in the first place.) Hard-drive makers will make drives that won't record certain types of information, and so on." This also seems wrong to me. The hard-drive related DRM proposal which with I am familiar calls for hard drives to include forms of serialization which will facilitate "tethering" by higher-level DRM applications. (So you can make files which can only be decrypted by some software if they're read from the same hard drive on which they were originally created, and so on.) This doesn't really have much to do with an inability to record certain types of information. But, Cochrane says, it scarcely stops there, as if that were not bad enough: "It is envisaged that once the TCPA system is fully functioning, our PCs would quietly report to authorities any unauthorised content on our machines. PCs and other devices would also refuse to play content, such as a music CD, tied to another device, and may be instructed by a remote server to delete information from the owner's hard drive." I'm still trying to understand to what extent this can be done. This isn't natively "part of" Pd or TCPA, but it may be that much of this functionality could be implemented on top of them. At issue, of course, is what constitutes "content," and what Palladium will do with applications that do not accept instructions from the motion picture and recording industries and, of course, from Microsoft itself. I think it will allow them to run just the way they do now. Microsoft has already released a Media Player update that allows the company to delete files from user machines. "Allows" in the sense of "appears to imply that the company has permission to do this", not in the sense of "has been demonstrated to contain code which does this". But, at least in that sense, this is true, and this is a great reason why Windows users should boycott Windows Media Player in favor of superior and more open alternatives. What Microsoft has _not_ done is prevent you from using media players other than Microsoft's Windows Media Player. And this is significant, because even if Microsoft's application software does some terrible thing, you still have the ability to use an alternative. Windows has not been designed to keep you from installing WinAmp or (ick) RealOne or any number of other media player applications. AMD's "vice president of consumer advocacy," Patrick Moorhead, says that concerns over privacy in connection with Palladium are overrated. But, he says, users should be able to defeat Palladium if they choose. The enforcement mechanism associated with Palladium seems to be that some other people will boycott you if you don't use it (or, more precisely, use particular sets of applications which rely on Pd infrastructure). This is troubling, but it could be much worse. But for the scale and consequences, this is kind of like Nick preventing people from posting who appear to use non-free mailers. Publishers can deliberately break interoperability with software they disapprove of or software which makes them nervous, and then essentially refuse to deal with users who insist on using such software exclusively. Of course, publishers can _already_ break interoperability with software they don't approve of. Every book publisher who uses a DRM eBook format has already done this. If you buy an Adobe eBook, the publisher has, in some sense, deliberately chosen to try to prevent you from making use of it except using the Adobe eBook Reader. This is a very real problem, but it's not yet tantamount to the outright destruction of your ability to run the OS or the eBook reader of your choice, or to write software for your own computer. The basic scenario in a world with Pd or TCPA computers is not really different; the only difference is that the DRM built on Pd or TCPA might actually _work_, to at least a first approximation. But the general idea that certain document publishers try to decide which software can read the documents they publish is not really new. I'm not saying that free software DVD players are illegitimate; I think everyone here knows that I consider them more than legitimate. And it's obviously troubling to think that there could be an equivalent of CSS implemented in software but not subject to discovery and reimplementation through reverse engineering, or that that could become the norm when businesses devise new file formats and media. Interoperability is one of the biggest potential casualties of trusted computing, because in some sense it exists entirely at the pleasure of each individual publisher. I don't think there's any way around that risk. But that's different from the claim that the computing infrastructure will change so fundamentally that free software will be impossible. That might be a consequence of a legal mandate like a version of the CBDTPA, but it doesn't seem to be a technical consequence of Pd or TCPA. That might not be so easy. If legislation sponsored by Sen. Ernest Hollings, Democrat of South Carolina, is approved, there could be federal prison time awaiting anyone who disables "security" features his legislation would mandate. The bill calls for adoption of whatever is the "industry standard" technology for protecting the copyrighted work of movie and music companies, which more and more looks as if it will be Palladium. (An analysis of Hollings's proposal is here.) There is still a big gap between the functionality in Pd and the functionality that the Hollywood studios are asking for, and it has to do with mandated watermark detection. I think we underestimate the significance of the watermark issue at our peril. Pd co-exists with other non-Pd technology. Watermark detection mandates don't. If AMD persists in including Palladium in its new chips, the leading safe haven for those who run non-Microsoft software will disappear. Unknown is whether European and other nations, who have increasingly rejected the Microsoft monopoly, will enact legislation that pre-empts Palladium. Non-Microsoft OS users might benefit if AMD doesn't implement Palladium, but not because their operating systems will run any better on AMD chips. (As far as I know, the Pd chips and non-Pd chips will run a non-Pd OS equally well, ceteris paribus.) The benefit would result instead from a diminished market incentive for publishers (and everyone) to use proprietary file formats and protocols protected by Pd against reverse engineering. But the economics of this sort of thing are very complicated. In that scenario, AMD users would provide an incentive for book publishers (for example) not to publish in formats which are supported only by Pd -- much as _any_ minority platform almost invariably aids the cause of open standards. At the same time, book publishers' incentives to publish in formats which are supported only by Pd would provide an incentive for AMD users to switch to Intel (to gain access to those books) or for AMD to implement Pd after all (to allow its users to gain access to those books). This sort of economic struggle is going on already in several markets in which proprietary standards are competing with open standards. There are lots of different incentives out there struggling with one another. Since the incentives you think are ultimately the most worthwhile may be losing some of those struggles at the moment, you should help them! -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 04:39:27 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:15:41 -0700") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87wuozg39s.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> Actually, let me just take a break from all of this to say NE> that I happen to think Esperanto is a moderately cool NE> language, though, like Lisp, I cannot see anything beyone NE> academic reasons to study it. Well, there are lots of good reasons to study it. 0) It is the Right Thing. 1) It is shithouse crazy. 2) The more people that study it, the more useful it becomes. 3) It's really, _really_ fucking easy. 4) The idealism required to conceive of, and use, a simple second language for all people on earth, is probably much healthier personally than the cynicism required to ignore it. If you're interested in learning it, there are a number of good programs on the Web. I think the best is the free email course, available here: http://pacujo.net/esperanto/course/ But a good survey of on-line learning resources can be found here: http://dmoz.org/Science/Social_Sciences/Language_and_Linguistics/Constructed_Languages/International_Auxiliary/Esperanto/Learning/ ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 05:09:26 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:13:06 -0400") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> <20021001161306.A4548@as220.org> Message-ID: <87smzng1vt.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MO" == Matt Obert writes: MO> Esperanto, on the other hand ... it might come in handy if MO> you went to a party at the U.N., but I'm curious whether MO> Mr. Bad has much opportunity to converse in that language MO> (other than on this list.) Well, there are Esperanto clubs in practically every city in the USA and almost anywhere in the world: http://www.webcom.com/~donh/eaccess/eaccess.organizations.html I used to attend SFERO (San-Franciska Esperanta Regiona Organizo) meetings when I lived there, but I haven't yet started going to the (ESK) Esperanto-Societo Kebekia stuff. http://ttt.esperanto.org/us/SFERO/ http://www3.sympatico.ca/esperanto/eo-h.htm I've found that looking up these clubs anywhere I go in the world is a quick way to meet locals who are damn enthusiastic to meet you. There are a ton of places on the Web to speak Esperanto, as well as specialized mailing lists and of course the venerable soc.culture.esperanto news group. And one can always sign up for the Esperanta Koresponda Servo, which hooks up Esperanto-speaking penpals to send email or paper mail anywhere: http://members.aol.com/Enrike/eksang.htm There are also travel destinations where you can learn Esperanto (the so-called "Esperanto Domoj" -- there's on in Arizona, one in France, lots of others), yearly national and international Esperanto conventions of all stripes, and specialized Esperanto travel services, including the very cool Pasporta Servo: http://home.wxs.nl/~lide/ps_lingv/ps_en.htm For more personal Esperanto enjoyment, there are a ton of books available through ELNA (Esperanto-Ligo de Norda Ameriko): http://esperanto-usa.hypermart.net/butiko/butiko.cgi I like to read the original works of Baghy and Kalocsay, but there are very many pieces that have been translated into Esperanto from other languages that I can't read anywhere else. There's a 4-week intensive course at USF each summer, a course during the regular year at UC Berkeley, another at Stanford, etc. etc. Konklude, vi malica subsugesta sensciulo, bonvolu manghi mian pugon. ~S-o Malbona -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 3 07:30:00 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's funniest joke announced Message-ID: <20021003143000.GA29443@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Those Ukranian nuts finally announced their results, and it ain't the Sherlock Holmes joke. A couple of New Jersey hunters are out in the woods when one of them falls to the ground. He doesn't seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. The other guy whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: 'My friend is dead! What can I do?' The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: 'Just take it easy. I can help. First, let's make sure he's dead.' There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on the line. He says: 'OK, now what?' - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2cVGgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1i4wCfRwgXSRiG/2AlwZqrjPuTRIbg i1MAoJ6bOlSrhRtTPAX8kQM3w5jwDeLx =Sfuc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jesux at unix.tm Thu Oct 3 08:46:36 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's funniest joke announced In-Reply-To: <20021003143000.GA29443@eiv.com>; from smcmahon@eiv.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:30:00AM -0400 References: <20021003143000.GA29443@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021004014636.A15981@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:30:00AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: 'Just take it easy. I can > help. First, let's make sure he's dead.' > > There is a silence, then a shot is heard. The guy's voice comes back on > the line. He says: 'OK, now what?' "However, about one third of jokes submitted to LaughLab were rejected by the moderators for being offensive or rude. Acceptable jokes had to be deemed suitable for a 10-year-old to repeat." I wonder how many 10-year-olds were consulted on this issue. They'd probably find something like this more suitable to repeat: Here I lie in stinky vapor, Because somebody stole the toilet paper, Shall I lie, or shall I linger, Or shall I be forced to use my finger. -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 3 10:33:42 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's funniest joke announced In-Reply-To: <20021004014636.A15981@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20021003143000.GA29443@eiv.com> <20021004014636.A15981@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <20021003173342.GB29977@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin James Moffitt quotation: > > I wonder how many 10-year-olds were consulted on this issue. Dunno, but if you ask my 4-year-old "what does a pirate say?" he'll give the correct answer. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2cf3YACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0L2QCg1ZfBIKQAKbUMHelzQcr9bjOd /XUAoOwYpbwaEmjj8EmpdZAxRY7b36PU =6uf0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 3 11:37:15 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021003183715.GT15499@zork.net> That's all we need. More Moffitts. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ewan.moffitt@particlebeam.co.uk has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 11:48:22 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021003183715.GT15499@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:37:15 -0700") References: <20021003183715.GT15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uk7kz5pft.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > That's all we need. More Moffitts. Actually, we also need ten dozen nixie tubes, two gross of Zeners and another fifty miles of optic fibre. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From mcguirk at indirect.com Thu Oct 3 12:26:53 2002 From: mcguirk at indirect.com (Dan McGuirk) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's funniest joke announced In-Reply-To: <20021003173342.GB29977@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021003121645.O76685-100000@bud.indirect.com> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin James Moffitt quotation: > > > > I wonder how many 10-year-olds were consulted on this issue. > > Dunno, but if you ask my 4-year-old "what does a pirate say?" he'll give > the correct answer. You'd better hope Child Protective Services doesn't get wind of how you have that steering wheel attached to his crotch. From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 3 12:28:39 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] rollerballllll! Message-ID: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_17 Rollerball, baby! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 3 12:42:50 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Eat Flaming Death! Message-ID: <20021003194249.GA15499@zork.net> http://www.e-pix.com/CPUWARS/Comic/index.html -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 12:48:02 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Eat Flaming Death! In-Reply-To: <20021003194249.GA15499@zork.net> References: <20021003194249.GA15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003194802.GB15499@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.e-pix.com/CPUWARS/Comic/index.html More specifically: http://www.e-pix.com/CPUWARS/Comic/Panels/014.html -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ron at vnetworx.net Thu Oct 3 13:32:00 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! Message-ID: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> Miss Cleo predicts today's Ditherati: OUR STUFF IS SHIT. DEAL WITH IT. "The set of security warnings come on the heels of a letter from CEO Steve Ballmer to the outside world in which he asked customers to acknowledge what he called the sad truth about software: 'Even a relatively simple software product today has millions of lines of code that provide many places for bugs to hide.'" -- ZDNet Tech Update Today, 10/3/2002 From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 3 13:37:50 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6uk7kz5pft.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20021003183715.GT15499@zork.net> <6uk7kz5pft.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003203750.GD14873@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 07:48:22PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > > > That's all we need. More Moffitts. > > Actually, we also need ten dozen nixie tubes, two gross of Zeners and > another fifty miles of optic fibre. I need a six-pack of Jones Blue Bubble Gum Soda, a roll of anti-static tape, and a jar of graphite. From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 3 13:39:54 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] rollerballllll! In-Reply-To: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> References: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021003203954.GE14873@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 12:28:39PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_17 What's the point spread on Dick Cheney versus two Iraqi vice presidents? From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 3 13:43:12 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 04:32:00PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > "The set of security warnings come on the heels of a letter from > CEO Steve Ballmer to the outside world in which he asked customers > to acknowledge what he called the sad truth about software: 'Even a > relatively simple software product today has millions of lines of > code that provide many places for bugs to hide.'" I like how a relatively simple piece of software has millions of lines of code. That makes me go "ha ha." From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 14:05:46 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 13:43:12 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: >> "The set of security warnings come on the heels of a letter >> from CEO Steve Ballmer to the outside world in which he asked >> customers to acknowledge what he called the sad truth about >> software: 'Even a relatively simple software product today has >> millions of lines of code that provide many places for bugs to >> hide.'" NE> I like how a relatively simple piece of software has millions NE> of lines of code. That makes me go "ha ha." Well, that's because Microsoft programmers aren't actually allowed to write code. They have to use the horrendous Visual [Language] tools, which automagically create code, which is verbose and horrible, and no wonder they get so many goddamn bugs. It's a rock-solid rule of software development: 10 lines of code equals one defect (at compile, test, or run time). It doesn't matter what programming language, methodology, or platform you use: 10 -> 1. So, write less fucking code, is the natural conclusion. Or hire Steve Ballmer. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 3 14:41:14 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 05:05:46PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > So, write less fucking code, is the natural conclusion. Or hire Steve > Ballmer. What's really funny: I remember working at KNPB (the PBS station in Reno) when Triumph of the Nerds first aired. That program has Steve Ballmer energetically explaining that if you're a good progrmmer you don't always write thousands of lines of code for simple things. Of course he was talking about a long-gone era of software development when people didn't demand talking paper clips in their word processors. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Oct 3 14:43:03 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Mister Bad wrote: > Well, that's because Microsoft programmers aren't actually allowed to > write code. They have to use the horrendous Visual [Language] tools, > which automagically create code, which is verbose and horrible, and no > wonder they get so many goddamn bugs. Visual Studio .NET is quite lovely, and C# is better than you think. From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Oct 3 14:43:46 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Google news? In-Reply-To: <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:15:41 -0700") References: <1033154785.3d94b0e1b3fce@mail.spamcop.net> <200209280148.aa51181@salmon.maths.tcd.ie> <20020928175751.GA15111@eber.embody.org> <20020930234058.GA46777@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20021001142012.GA4258@eber.embody.org> <20021001171308.GD12291@dasbistro.com> <87adlyqdbz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021001181541.GA29568@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ne" == Not Erik writes: ne> like Lisp, I cannot see anything beyone academic reasons to ne> study it. but with the student discount, the stripped-down daturbase-free version of Allegro CL is only $1500. It's a BARGAIN! -- The spanning tree computed in a region appears as a subtree in the CST that encompasses the entire switched domain. The CIST is formed as a result of the spanning-tree algorithm running between switches that support the 802.1W, 802.1S, and 802.1D protocols. The CIST inside an MST region is the same as the CST outside the region. Press RETURN to get started. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 14:47:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! Message-ID: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> Honore al la Ferio de la Leteristo, jen ?erco: Iutage, pirato eniris trinkejon kun stirrado fiksita al la ingveno. Do, la ver?isto lin demandis, "?u vi scias ke vi havas stirrado fiksita al via ingveno?" Kaj la pirato diris, "Arr! ?i kondukas miajn testikojn. Kaj tio ege min ?enas!" ~S-o Malbona -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 14:53:46 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: (#2 of Berkeley's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:43:03 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87bs6b42ad.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: #oB> Visual Studio .NET is quite lovely, and C# is better than you #oB> think. Well, fine. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Oct 3 14:56:26 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: !Autonomy (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Bernini) In-Reply-To: <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> (Juggler Vain's message of "Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:50:56 -0700") References: <20020929140256.B27485@sakima.ivy.net> <20021001235056.GH14606@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "jv" == Juggler Vain writes: jv> (alienation against community) inherent in jv> extracting a profit (as contrasted against receiving gifts) jv> from neighbours. [...] jv> I provide useful perspective, you provoke, he trolls. get your skinny white ass and your !Global !South !Exclamations back to nettime you wanking little tadpole fucker. Not even ABC No Rio would take you. !GTFONL -- viva la Juniper, fux0rz From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 15:18:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > Well, that's because Microsoft programmers aren't actually allowed > to write code. They have to use the horrendous Visual [Language] > tools, which automagically create code, which is verbose and > horrible, and no wonder they get so many goddamn bugs. True enough. I got fed up with USF's CS curriculum (which was actually a Software Engineering trade school degree pretending to be a Science degree) after one class on software development. Basically I managed to solve a number of projects by convincing the group that C++ was not the best language for the job, and picking a language to fit the problem. I mean hey, we're all programmers and learning new languages is *NOTHING*! But no, the teacher gave us all horrible bad grades, while all the other kids got good ones despite NEVER GETTING THE PROJECT DONE. Why did they not get it done? Well it seems that Microsoft had point-released the visual gargargar C++ stuff, and the prof spent HOURS in the lab with the students using frame widgetizers and stuff and generating REAMS of code that left seven or eight little comments that said: // Your code goes here And then he'd tear out his hair over all these library calls that didn't work the way his old code did and gar gar gar. The real irony is that this course was *not about tools or languages* but rather about *development practices* that are supposed to help you *ship on time*. Even though I found the notion of a fucking UNIVERSITY course geared toward that sort of worker-training bullshit kind of disgusting, it kind of amused me that we all got lousy grades for not banging our head against proprietary development tools like everyone else did. Also, my code ran from foo.usfca.edu (precursor to zork), and displayed its X11R6 output on the AIX workstations in the lab. That's partly how I got folks to work on the project in another language -- there was always a unix box free during lab time, and we could all work in the same directory on foo (that was long before CVS became the standard that it is now). All of this was lost on Mister Visual-Programming Wolber. Actually, Wolber's pet project was a "pavlovian programming system" that was just a reimplementation of some of the old hypercard ideas. The punchline is that programming was too hard for him so he had his grad students write the thing. Ha ha David Wolber. Yeah. Ha ha. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at shithousecrazy.com Thu Oct 3 16:13:06 2002 From: mr.bad at shithousecrazy.com (Mr.Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:18:35 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> Message-ID: <874rc3nmkd.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> // Your code goes here Those have got to be the four most humiliating words for a programmer ever. "May I code now please, Mr. Visual Programming Suite sir?" Having some PROGRAM tell you when and where you can write your code is like having a sheep bugger you with a strap-on dildo. It's not just WRONG and UNNATURAL, it's excrutiatingly SOUL-DESTROYING. Programs should know their place and go play discus games with the other programs instead of trying to boss me around, is the way I see it. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad - mr.bad@shithousecrazy.com - http://www.shithousecrazy.com/ * s t a y * * r e a l * * b a d * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 16:30:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <874rc3nmkd.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <874rc3nmkd.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> Message-ID: <20021003233037.GB20380@zork.net> begin Mr. Bad quotation: > Mr. Bad - mr.bad@shithousecrazy.com - http://www.shithousecrazy.com/ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ UNDER CONSTRUCTION I don't get the sense that it is, though. Perhaps a yellow diamond with an animation of a stick figure digging a grave would help? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 3 16:46:28 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] martyrdom is delicious Message-ID: <20021003234628.GC20380@zork.net> http://home.adelphia.net/~lifeinpixels/stuff/911tacky.jpg <@Octal> That's horrible! You can't honor heroes with anything short of supersize fries! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at shithousecrazy.com Thu Oct 3 16:51:37 2002 From: mr.bad at shithousecrazy.com (Mr.Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003233037.GB20380@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:30:37 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <874rc3nmkd.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> <20021003233037.GB20380@zork.net> Message-ID: <87it0jozcm.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> UNDER CONSTRUCTION MMaPRoSF> I don't get the sense that it is, though. Perhaps a MMaPRoSF> yellow diamond with an animation of a stick figure MMaPRoSF> digging a grave would help? That would be TOO CRASS. The construction is very subtle. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad - mr.bad@shithousecrazy.com - http://www.shithousecrazy.com/ * s t a y * * r e a l * * b a d * ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 16:56:47 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87it0jozcm.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> (Mr.Bad's message of "Thu, 03 Oct 2002 19:51:37 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <874rc3nmkd.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> <20021003233037.GB20380@zork.net> <87it0jozcm.fsf@shithousecrazy.com> Message-ID: <6uelb75b5s.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mr.Bad quotation: >>>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: > > MMaPRoSF> UNDER CONSTRUCTION > > MMaPRoSF> I don't get the sense that it is, though. Perhaps a > MMaPRoSF> yellow diamond with an animation of a stick figure > MMaPRoSF> digging a grave would help? > > That would be TOO CRASS. The construction is very subtle. Ah yes, now I see what you're at. Nice, very nice! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 17:09:54 2002 From: lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org (The Lumberjack DJ) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:05 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden Message-ID: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> So, I was taking the plane back from Geneva to Montreal yesterday morning, and they thoughtfully provided copies of the Internation Herald-Tribune on the Lufthansa flight from Geneva to Frankfurt. And as I was looking in the classifieds for tax shelters and high-priced escorts, I noted a legal announcement for MR. OSAMA BIN LADEN and ASSOCIATES indicating that he had to show up in the FEDERAL COURTHOUSE in WASHINGTON D.C., USA, to answer his summons from this group: http://www.september11classaction.com/ or risk SUMMARY JUDGEMENT by the court in favor of the plaintiffs. (To be fair, the ad also runs in Al-Aqsa or whatever that big USA-Today-style thing is in the Arab world. Osama and company probably haven't been receiving their subscription copy of the IHT lately.) Apparently the plaintiff's are going to get all his frozen assets in the US and abroad if he doesn't come forth. Which is kinda screwed, if you think about it. I mean, there's NO WAY this guy is going to get a fair trial. I'm all for giving 9/11 victims lots of ice cream and cake and as much money as they can carry away in wheelbarrows, but it just sounds so sleazy. And I'm wondering: does anyone know of a way that Mr. bin Laden could get into the USA to answer his summons without getting, at best, shuffled off to Guantanamo Bay or something? What happens when you physically can't answer your summons, at risk of your life? Like if you're on a dialysis machine or the world's most sought-after terrorist? I mean, tough beans for bin Laden and all that, but it still seems like a shitty way to get his money. ~LDJ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Lumberjack DJ - lumberjack-dj@pigdog.org - http://pigdog.org/ It may be a device-independent networking abstraction to you, But it's a socket to me. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jeremym at loonix.org Thu Oct 3 17:16:49 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> On Thu Oct 03, 2002 at 08:09:54PM -0400, The Lumberjack DJ wrote: > I mean, tough beans for bin Laden and all that, but it still seems > like a shitty way to get his money. s/shitty/brilliant -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 17:19:12 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> (Jeremy McLeod's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:16:49 -0400") References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > On Thu Oct 03, 2002 at 08:09:54PM -0400, The Lumberjack DJ wrote: >> I mean, tough beans for bin Laden and all that, but it still seems >> like a shitty way to get his money. > > s/shitty/brilliant Yeah, filing class action lawsuits in an attempt to extort money is such a novel concept. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From jeremym at loonix.org Thu Oct 3 17:27:28 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:19:12AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > > > On Thu Oct 03, 2002 at 08:09:54PM -0400, The Lumberjack DJ wrote: > >> I mean, tough beans for bin Laden and all that, but it still seems > >> like a shitty way to get his money. > > > > s/shitty/brilliant > > Yeah, filing class action lawsuits in an attempt to extort money is > such a novel concept. Since when was there a correlation between 'brilliant' and 'novel'? -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 3 17:28:23 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004002823.GA18953@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:19:12AM +0100: > Yeah, filing class action lawsuits in an attempt to extort money is > such a novel concept. Am I wrong or are there two class action lawsuits? 1. Sue Bin Laden and all the people it's safe to not like 2. Sue the people who can raise oil prices (danger!) http://www.nessmotley.com/practiceareas/911_victims/ -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 17:33:50 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> (Jeremy McLeod's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:27:28 -0400") References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:19:12AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: >> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: >> >> > On Thu Oct 03, 2002 at 08:09:54PM -0400, The Lumberjack DJ wrote: >> >> I mean, tough beans for bin Laden and all that, but it still seems >> >> like a shitty way to get his money. >> > >> > s/shitty/brilliant >> >> Yeah, filing class action lawsuits in an attempt to extort money is >> such a novel concept. > > Since when was there a correlation between 'brilliant' and 'novel'? You know, with your head up your arse like that, you look just like a Klein bottle. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From jeremym at loonix.org Thu Oct 3 17:41:49 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:50AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > You know, with your head up your arse like that, you look just like a > Klein bottle. I'm sorry, I don't speak Austrian. Perhaps you meant "ass"? Please clarify. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From crackmonkey at areality.com Thu Oct 3 17:42:04 2002 From: crackmonkey at areality.com (crackmonkey@areality.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: paging mr bin laden In-Reply-To: <20021004002903.20883.61597.Mailman@zork.zork.net> References: <20021004002903.20883.61597.Mailman@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <1033692124.3d9ce3dc9675e@www.areality.com> Its actually a good idea until you realize who actually pays the settlement. Until such monies are recovered, even if they are frozen, the US taxpayers actually pay the settlement. The same thing was done in the pan am case. Tony From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 17:44:09 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: paging mr bin laden In-Reply-To: <1033692124.3d9ce3dc9675e@www.areality.com> References: <20021004002903.20883.61597.Mailman@zork.zork.net> <1033692124.3d9ce3dc9675e@www.areality.com> Message-ID: <20021004004409.GH20380@zork.net> begin crackmonkey@areality.com quotation: > Its actually a good idea until you realize who actually pays the > settlement. Until such monies are recovered, even if they are > frozen, the US taxpayers actually pay the settlement. The same > thing was done in the pan am case. Get a mailer that threads properly, twit. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 17:47:28 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> (Jeremy McLeod's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:41:49 -0400") References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:50AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: >> You know, with your head up your arse like that, you look just like a >> Klein bottle. > > I'm sorry, I don't speak Austrian. Perhaps you meant "ass"? Please > clarify. What you do with your livestock is your own business, but here's a tip: don't go boasting to your redneck chums about it. Word spreads, and nobody likes a donkey-fucker. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From jeremym at loonix.org Thu Oct 3 17:56:03 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:47:28AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > > > On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:50AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > >> You know, with your head up your arse like that, you look just like a > >> Klein bottle. > > > > I'm sorry, I don't speak Austrian. Perhaps you meant "ass"? Please > > clarify. > > What you do with your livestock is your own business, but here's a > tip: don't go boasting to your redneck chums about it. Word spreads, > and nobody likes a donkey-fucker. You're being too subtle, sneakums. I don't quite understand. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From sneakums at zork.net Thu Oct 3 18:02:58 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> (Jeremy McLeod's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:56:03 -0400") References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: > On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:47:28AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: >> commence Jeremy McLeod quotation: >> >> > On Fri Oct 04, 2002 at 01:33:50AM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: >> >> You know, with your head up your arse like that, you look just like a >> >> Klein bottle. >> > >> > I'm sorry, I don't speak Austrian. Perhaps you meant "ass"? Please >> > clarify. >> >> What you do with your livestock is your own business, but here's a >> tip: don't go boasting to your redneck chums about it. Word spreads, >> and nobody likes a donkey-fucker. > > You're being too subtle, sneakums. I don't quite understand. Understanding is a three-edged sword. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From 0 at pigdog.org Thu Oct 3 18:34:34 2002 From: 0 at pigdog.org (0) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: paging mr bin laden In-Reply-To: <1033692124.3d9ce3dc9675e@www.areality.com> (crackmonkey@areality.com's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:42:04 -0700") References: <20021004002903.20883.61597.Mailman@zork.zork.net> <1033692124.3d9ce3dc9675e@www.areality.com> Message-ID: <87adlvoul1.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "c" == crackmonkey writes: c> Its actually a good idea until you realize who actually pays c> the settlement. Well, it just seems so disingenuous to me. "OK, you plaintiffs, you have to put out a NEWSPAPER AD to let this BIN WHOOZIT fellow know that he's got a summons. And not just in the Walla Walla Smart Shopper News, neither! None of those tricks! Apparently this bin Layden guy is a Sheikh of Arabee, so you have to put the ads in the INNURNATIONAL PAPERS. And one in the Arabian Times! Or whatever it's called! No shirking on your legal duty -- you have to give the guy EVERY CHANCE to come on in and give *his* side of the story. No funny stuff! That's AMERICAN JUSTICE." I'm thinking of suing Amelia Earhart and Jimmy Hoffa together. Their estates have to be worth jillions now. ~0 -- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | 0@pigdog.org | http://pigdog.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ From modus at as220.org Thu Oct 3 19:58:33 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 02:41:14PM -0700 References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > Of course he was talking about a long-gone era of software development > when people didn't demand talking paper clips in their word > processors. http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 3 18:44:09 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:58:33PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > > Of course he was talking about a long-gone era of software development > > when people didn't demand talking paper clips in their word > > processors. > > http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ Uh oh. I feel the dark side beginning to take hold... From modus at as220.org Thu Oct 3 22:26:57 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 06:44:09PM -0700 References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 10:58:33PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > > Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > > > Of course he was talking about a long-gone era of software development > > > when people didn't demand talking paper clips in their word > > > processors. > > > > http://vigor.sourceforge.net/ > > Uh oh. I feel the dark side beginning to take hold... VIgor is actually pretty funny. However, I'll probably never install it because I'm not always running X when I use vi. (I have used gvim, but I basically use the default vi key bindings for everything, so all those pretty GUI menus are really more of a resource hog than something I actually use.) -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 21:44:51 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > VIgor is actually pretty funny. However, I'll probably never > install it because I'm not always running X when I use vi. (I have > used gvim, but I basically use the default vi key bindings for > everything, so all those pretty GUI menus are really more of a > resource hog than something I actually use.) You man, you. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Oct 3 22:43:25 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Sean Neakums quotation: > Understanding is a three-edged sword. Have you ever tried to make a three-edged sword? The only way to do it while keeping them evenly spaced radially is to make 3 one-edged swords and then weld them together along their back edges, which is nothing but trouble. You could always cheat and take a regular two-edged sword and single edged sword and weld them together, but the resulting cross-section would be T-shaped. Of course, actually using a three-edged sword is just as bad. You're almost completely precluded from performing slashing attacks, limiting you to stabbing. If you're in the middle of a swordfight you're going to be doing a lot of parrying, and switching from parrying to stabbing is much harder from switching from parrying to slicing, making a three-edged sword ineffective. And so, in conclusion: Understanding is ineffective. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9nSp8jLHcIq3dHxYRArYmAJ96TBexRQ9haTmu9exS42q2PuiB0ACg0riX z4rqG3C4tS4uMMFvBQCPtTk= =RyHk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 3 22:46:01 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Weapons-grade troll Message-ID: <20021004054601.GT20380@zork.net> [21:45] damn [21:45] berkeley lpr is so worthless [21:57] ha ha [22:08] i don' take it back... [22:08] but the problem this time was actually the kernel [22:08] all writes to /dev/lp0 are hanging :/ [22:10] hanging, or blocking? [22:11] blocking [22:11] well, maybe your printer is not turned on [22:17] it is now [22:17] thanks -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From modus at as220.org Fri Oct 4 00:31:48 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 09:44:51PM -0700 References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > begin Matt Obert quotation: > > VIgor is actually pretty funny. However, I'll probably never > > install it because I'm not always running X when I use vi. (I have > > used gvim, but I basically use the default vi key bindings for > > everything, so all those pretty GUI menus are really more of a > > resource hog than something I actually use.) > > You man, you. Aw, c'mon. You know that if I was I real man, I'd use Emacs. Though even from the command-line, Emacs is pretty bloated ... and as for XEmacs, well, see above re: gvim. Still, if someone has hacked together a paperclip assistant for Emacs, I'd like to see screenshots. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 3 23:11:52 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net> <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021004061152.GV20380@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > Aw, c'mon. You know that if I was I real man, I'd use Emacs. > Though even from the command-line, Emacs is pretty bloated ... > and as for XEmacs, well, see above re: gvim. HA HA HA. You have never used XEmacs. XEmacs does *not* mean EMACS for X11. Please try again, flamebait. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 4 00:24:07 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> > If you're in the middle of a swordfight you're going to be doing a lot of > parrying, and switching from parrying to stabbing is much harder from > switching from parrying to slicing, making a three-edged sword > ineffective. That depends wholly on the grip. Take a foil, for instance. - Jeff -- "You know, the crunchy, folk-singer part of me wants to believe that a performance is a dialogue, but I can't hear a fucking thing you're saying." - Ani DiFranco From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 4 00:28:13 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> References: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20021004072813.GD2099@zork.net> begin Jeff Waugh quotation: > That depends wholly on the grip. Take a foil, for instance. Take a leap, for instance. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From henrik at enberg.org Fri Oct 4 00:47:58 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 03:31:48 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net> <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> Message-ID: <87r8f6bq6p.fsf@enberg.org> Matt Obert writes: > Aw, c'mon. You know that if I was I real man, I'd use > Emacs. Though even from the command-line, Emacs is pretty > bloated ... and as for XEmacs, well, see above re: gvim. Ahh, routine manner ignorance. Buy an new record troll. > Still, if someone has hacked together a paperclip > assistant for Emacs, I'd like to see screenshots. Make your own damn screenshot. -- Yo mama's so fat, even Richard Simmons laughs at her. From pawal at blipp.com Fri Oct 4 03:28:38 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb Message-ID: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> Look at him wriggle, http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200210/ezdjbdns.html -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 `-> http://www.gnuheter.com/ From silverback at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 04:24:10 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:26:57 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> Message-ID: <871y76phut.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MO" == Matt Obert writes: MO> VIgor is actually pretty funny. However, I'll probably never MO> install it because I'm not always running X when I use vi. (I MO> have used gvim, but I basically use the default vi key MO> bindings for everything, so all those pretty GUI menus are MO> really more of a resource hog than something I actually use.) Hey, MATT OBERT! Please give us MORE FASCINATING INFORMATION about your VI USAGE PATTERNS. I'm SITTING ON THE EDGE OF MY CHAIR. ~TMS -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 05:55:18 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > But no, the teacher gave us all horrible bad grades, while all > the other kids got good ones despite NEVER GETTING THE PROJECT DONE. Does this surprise you? It's everywhere. In response to a complaint about having to implement a seperate function for each variable "type" when we were studying stacks, a student asked "can't we just implement a generic stack handler?" The professor opined (this was a C course) "no, that's not possible." I said "woah, hold up; not possible? It's a stack of pointers." The professor said "yes, but that'd be too time consuming for this course." At this point, you're thinking "time consuming? Five seconds to change the existing code to stack pointers instead of foos; takes the same amount of time as making it specific to a variable type. What's the big fucking deal?" So, I (and independently, two other guys) wrote my next program using a generic stack handler instead of several type-specific ones. I think we lost about 5% on that assignment. It's all over fucking academia. This jackass has written Pascal and Modula 2 textbooks where he implements type-specific stack handlers and refuses to even discuss generic implementations, because they would "defeat type-checking" and not be "pure programming concepts". Professors have agendae, just like everybody else. Mine was so myopically focussed on "purity" of concept that he couldn't conceive of real-world application even being worth considering; yours was the opposite extreme. But the whole academic world is built on extremes. Extremes get you hired; you meet the agenda of the department chair to a T, you get the job. If you're in the middle of the road, you aren't teaching; you're getting paid to write code. (Or giving up programming in disgust and becoming a system administrator for a living.) - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2dj7UACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0+LgCfVhDGz+uv0jHl87T4v3ySp7P+ qcoAn1Z0inYD6KpBokPlqtCGOH5zDWT3 =CrvK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 06:22:35 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [lnx-bbc-request@zork.net: lnx-bbc digest, Vol 1 #270 - 1 msg] Message-ID: <20021004132235.GC1592@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ----- Forwarded message from lnx-bbc-request@zork.net ----- - --__--__-- Message: 1 From: To: Subject: whats the password for the root-login? 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Tell me this would have been even a tenth as funny without the HTML. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2dlhoACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2isgCePqoCYGIjjvKnqQAgVJqXYbId LigAoO6HRtrxnhCf8GyYPfOW1zlpFsb1 =a70N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 4 07:33:05 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> References: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <20021004143304.GM857@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Jeff Waugh quotation: > > > > If you're in the middle of a swordfight you're going to be doing a lot of > > parrying, and switching from parrying to stabbing is much harder from > > switching from parrying to slicing, making a three-edged sword > > ineffective. > > That depends wholly on the grip. Take a foil, for instance. Foils? We're talking about SWORDS here, not lengths of wire with handles. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9naafjLHcIq3dHxYRAnJPAKDg8Jth5TqdaJ/eMrH9d13r8lRd7QCfcKNw Zzvu62nuMgCH/WS+1BttMLk= =hsRA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 07:39:50 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004143304.GM857@8ball.wox.org> (Citizen Hicks's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:33:05 -0500") References: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uadlv5a4f.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004002728.GC11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u65wj59g1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004004149.GD11740@pug.chroot.net> <6u1y7758tb.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004005603.GE11740@pug.chroot.net> <6uvg4j3tj1.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021004054325.GK857@8ball.wox.org> <20021004072407.GP1566@perkypants.org> <20021004143304.GM857@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <87adluqnd5.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "CH" == Citizen Hicks writes: JW> That depends wholly on the grip. Take a foil, for instance. CH> Foils? We're talking about SWORDS here, not lengths of wire CH> with handles. Oooh! Fencing SMACK TALK! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 07:51:21 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The US is so evil Message-ID: <20021004145121.GA2210@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/04/tech/main524332.shtml "At least 30 times a year, asteroids smash into the Earth's atmosphere and explode with the violence of a nuclear bomb. Now some officials are worried the natural explosions could trigger an atomic war." "He said the Air Force is studying the establishment of what he called a Natural Impact Warning Clearinghouse that would be part of the North American Aerospace Defense Command communications center in Cheyenne Mountain near Colorado Springs, Colo." You're welcome, India, Pakistan, China. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2dqugACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3N9wCgtdW6JVhU2Ggc6u7AR7h7i7tT 29AAoMXIiFBjAl+NhH21PtVw5Bnzjeki =2D3t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 08:51:18 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] rollerballllll! In-Reply-To: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> References: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004155118.GA2473@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021003/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_17 > > Rollerball, baby! The challenged party traditionally chooses the weapons. W should pick intercontinental ballistic missiles, warhead type at the discretion of the user. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2duPUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt10CgCcCusZ8JgPWNRkS/Ijxh5h9SJA NccAoKXhGoWzGEMbQaN+LIR1k1UxyeL2 =Oq6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 4 09:04:22 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021004160422.GB29802@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 03:18:35PM -0700: > Also, my code ran from foo.usfca.edu (precursor to zork), and > displayed its X11R6 output on the AIX workstations in the lab. That's > partly how I got folks to work on the project in another language -- > there was always a unix box free during lab time, and we could all > work in the same directory on foo (that was long before CVS became the > standard that it is now). All of this was lost on Mister > Visual-Programming Wolber. Official MIT list of tools for " Laboratory in Software Engineering, Fall 2001" http://ocw.mit.edu/6/6.170/f01/tools/index.html * Java * Emacs * Zephyr * distill -or ps2pdf * Visio -or- Dia * CVS -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 4 10:00:19 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Patrik Wallstrom : > Look at him wriggle, > http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200210/ezdjbdns.html Help out we unfortunates not sufficiently enabled along paranormal lines to read your mind: who is doing the wriggling? Please submit your answer using the (so-called) English language. Thank you. -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 10:02:55 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > Help out we unfortunates not sufficiently enabled along paranormal lines to > read your mind: who is doing the wriggling? Please submit your answer using > the (so-called) English language. Read it then get back to us. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2dyb8ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt19sQCg56EQ1PwOc3EJEt4JW9wrGyY/ NhoAn3wCyDXMwHY9hulfFCbWcXUHa9RZ =BqIN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 4 10:05:12 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] rollerballllll! In-Reply-To: <20021004155118.GA2473@eiv.com> References: <20021003192838.GW15499@zork.net> <20021004155118.GA2473@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021004170512.GA13554@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 11:51:18AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > The challenged party traditionally chooses the weapons. W should pick > intercontinental ballistic missiles, warhead type at the discretion of > the user. MONKEY KNIFE FIGHT! From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 4 10:27:25 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon : > Read it then get back to us. I have yet to stop marvelling at the now-near-complete domination of this list by compleat fucking morons, adolescent morons to boot. Look, Shawn, do you really think EVERYONE buys into the oh-so-PC "We hate djb because he won't play in our little license sandbox but likes to play in his own little license sandbox?" I can tolerate those, like the esteemed Mr. Moen, who have technical quibbles with how Bernstein does things. But please don't give me this liicense crap. Puleeze. Now, Shawn, honey, sit down and take a deep breath. Here's the unvarnished truth of the thing: Bernstein is so brilliant that lesser mortals cannot stomach him; their envy gets the better of them. Period. Simple. The man is an asset, pure and simple. Get over it. Grow up. (No, I'm no relationshhip. Duh.) -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 10:32:49 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021004173249.GA3024@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > I have yet to stop marvelling at the now-near-complete domination of this > list by compleat fucking morons, adolescent morons to boot. Amazing; you can see the forest despite being a tree. > Look, Shawn, do you really think EVERYONE buys into the oh-so-PC "We hate > djb because he won't play in our little license sandbox but likes to play in > his own little license sandbox?" No, but I think most of 'em buy into "read the article before you complain that you don't know where the wiggling is". > I can tolerate those, like the esteemed Mr. Moen, who have technical > quibbles with how Bernstein does things. But please don't give me this > liicense crap. Puleeze. I gave you no license crap; I merely suggested that if you read the article, you'd find the license crap yourself. It appears you did; congratulations on following simple instructions. Please unsubscribe. > truth of the thing: Bernstein is so brilliant that lesser mortals cannot > stomach him; their envy gets the better of them. Period. Simple. I don't think he'd disagree with that. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2d0MEACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0kMwCdHxxvykCuXus3kmeW8GNeLaN7 mbAAoNTdbfqRkpMsAtGq2NSh8oJsa/LG =tFaD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 4 10:43:40 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <20021004173249.GA3024@eiv.com> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004173249.GA3024@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1033753420.3d9dd34c75eee@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon : > Amazing; you can see the forest despite being a tree. > No, but I think most of 'em buy into "read the article before you > complain that you don't know where the wiggling is". > Please unsubscribe. I love it how you peabrains think you have something to say about what happens, or doesn't happen, on this list. Talk about delusions of adequacy! BUT, I give you credit for at least this: you didn't say "Get offf _my_ list!" Put a gold star on the calendar on the 'fridge. Now, be a good boy and run along; Mom's got Chicken 'n Stars waiting for you! -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From modus at as220.org Fri Oct 4 12:22:45 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87r8f6bq6p.fsf@enberg.org>; from henrik@enberg.org on Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 09:47:58AM +0200 References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003214114.GB20580@dasbistro.com> <20021003225833.B16104@as220.org> <20021004014409.GA27692@dasbistro.com> <20021004012657.A18505@as220.org> <20021004044451.GR20380@zork.net> <20021004033148.A19981@as220.org> <87r8f6bq6p.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021004152245.A27889@as220.org> Henrik Enberg looked into the void, and said: > Matt Obert writes: > > > Aw, c'mon. You know that if I was I real man, I'd use > > Emacs. Though even from the command-line, Emacs is pretty > > bloated ... and as for XEmacs, well, see above re: gvim. > > Ahh, routine manner ignorance. Buy an new record troll. > > Thanks for the bloat comparison. I obviously don't use Emacs at all. Now I know that XEmacs used to be called Lucid Emacs. I apologize for my ignorance, and for repeating an old troll. > > Still, if someone has hacked together a paperclip > > assistant for Emacs, I'd like to see screenshots. > > > > Make your own damn screenshot. That is so cool. The ASCII paperclip for Emacs, in only ~100 lines of code. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 4 11:02:11 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033753420.3d9dd34c75eee@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004173249.GA3024@eiv.com> <1033753420.3d9dd34c75eee@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021004180211.GB13554@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 01:43:40PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > I love it how you peabrains think you have something to say about what > happens, or doesn't happen, on this list. Talk about delusions of adequacy! I guess this would be a bad time to start drawing ASCII penises, wouldn't it? From aelmore at interwoven.com Fri Oct 4 10:44:20 2002 From: aelmore at interwoven.com (Andrew Elmore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:55:18AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Professors have agendae, just like everybody else. Mine was so ^^^^^^^ agenda is already plural. Its Latin root is the neuter noun 'agendum', of which the plural is 'agenda'. Forget about Esperanto: Latin is already the lingua franca, the sine qua non of an educated person. Besides, you can write Perl programs in Latin: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html best regards, Andrew From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 4 11:14:47 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021004181447.GH2099@zork.net> Yawn... ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- dale.thatcher@evolution.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 11:32:36 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:06 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <20021004183236.GA3360@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Andrew Elmore quotation: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:55:18AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > Professors have agendae, just like everybody else. Mine was so > ^^^^^^^ > agenda is already plural. Thanks. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2d3sMACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0dMgCfSPVYO3FdH+6pJP88zOwmCjH2 HO4AmwaYvrjDkuIkX8dqm1GiAI9CX6UD =B7eP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 4 12:29:43 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Rockin! Message-ID: <20021004192943.GI2099@zork.net> http://www.koha.org/ Check out the radio interview: http://www.koha.org/audio/Koha-National-Radio-2000-11-29.mp3 Woohoo! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 12:44:05 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> (Andrew Elmore's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:44:20 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "AE" == Andrew Elmore writes: AE> Forget about Esperanto: Latin is already the lingua franca, AE> the sine qua non of an educated person. Bullshit! The only lingua franca is, of course, lingua franca. http://www.stg.brown.edu/webs/corre/franca/go.html Latin is a fine language, and it has the existence proof of being suited as an international auxiliary language. However, Esperantists would normally tell you that the difficulty of learning and using Latin makes it somewhat unsuited for a universal auxiliary language -- that is, one used by common people as well as the most educated. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 12:48:12 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > suited as an international auxiliary language. However, Esperantists > would normally tell you that the difficulty of learning and using > Latin makes it somewhat unsuited for a universal auxiliary language -- > that is, one used by common people as well as the most educated. They will tell you that in English, of course. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2d8HsACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3G3QCgiGONnJy29IHdkvbfYpIL1jVS IdEAni7N5tBxLTJAJDxDNVquZfHM3yhj =Q/KL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 4 12:56:31 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:48:12 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> Message-ID: <6un0pu3rm8.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Mister Bad quotation: >> >> suited as an international auxiliary language. However, Esperantists >> would normally tell you that the difficulty of learning and using >> Latin makes it somewhat unsuited for a universal auxiliary language -- >> that is, one used by common people as well as the most educated. > > They will tell you that in English, of course. You know, if we passed the hat around, we'd easily have enough to take out a contract on this boob. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 4 12:57:55 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [gary@acmevaporware.com: AVW Announces Layoffs for all U.S. Politicians] Message-ID: <20021004195755.GL2099@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Gary Clemenceau ----- ******************************************************** ACMEVAPORWARE ANNOUNCES LAYOFFS FOR ALL U.S. POLITICIANS AVW's Advanced Common Sense Section Wields the Axe Unmercifully on Lawmakers; Dancing in the Streets Ensues; Market Rebounds 8 Million Percent WASHINGTON, DC - October 4, 2002 - In a show of cohesive democratic force, 140 million American citizens rose up and descended on Capitol Hill today -- firing the President, the Vice President, and cleaning out their respective cabinets with giant cans of RAID. Layoffs were also announced for those members of both the Senate and the House of Representatives who failed to do what people voted for them to do in the first place. Each former politico was sentenced to 8 months searching for minimum-wage jobs, then handed a dry baloney sandwich and $1 for services rendered. In reaction to the day's momentous events, the market rebounded 8 million percent, far exceeding 1999 levels. Pennsylvania Avenue was clogged for hours with dancing citizens drunk on liberty and renewed rights under the Constitution. "For the first time since its founding, all the nation's top political spots are vacant -- and we're hiring," said Dr. John Smallberries, President and CEO of AcmeVaporware. "Tomorrow, we go after certain judges." Not-quite-a-majority of Supreme Court justices looked out from their office windows in terror. "The day after that, we'll all sit down and re-read the Constitution. Then we can start the re-hiring process." "It feels funny to have rights and money again," laughed one participant while holding up the skull of Abe Lincoln. Those citizens in attendance brought with them the dug-up bones of Harry Truman and Abe Lincoln to act as interim co-Presidents. No other viable candidates could be found. Citizens around the world began to realize the implications of the U.S. citizen's actions. The government of France was fired, rehired and fired again 8 or 9 times in the course of an hour before they finally gave up and went for a 5-hour dinner. In Iraq, the once-oppressed masses rose up and deposed Saddam Hussein themselves, tossing him in a cell with Britney Spears, N SYNC, and several other lame boy-bands foolishly touring the region. The rest of the world watched and wondered at the implications. "Most people have become aware of the startling fact that countries have always been irrelevant," said Dr. John Yaya, Dean of Political Science at the University of Morvalia. "We've known for years that our most common denominator -- besides being earthlings -- is represented by the idiots we choose to put in power above us. It's good to be reminded now and again that our leaders are supposed to sit with us, and not above us. Every country has responded positively -- except for the Belgians, who refuse to stop putting mayonnaise on french fries." Alas, no quotes were available from President-manque George W. Bush, or any of those from his political apparatus, save for the common shouts of, "AAAIEIEIIE." They were either too occupied with running like hell, looking for work on online job boards -- or, like Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft, too busy being tarred and feathered with copies of the U.S. Constitution. About AcmeVaporware AcmeVaporware, Inc. is a titanic, thirteen-dollar discorporate monstrosity, providing uncompromising glimpses of common sense to whomever will hold still long enough for us to draw an X on their underpants - on a global scale that would scare your grandma. Information on AcmeVaporware, its glee-drunk political-action committee, and its future profligate amounts of finest-quality vapor are mostly classified. Regardless, it's all on www.acmevaporware.com anyway, so whatever. ### ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From silverback at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 13:10:32 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:48:12 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87y99ec6dj.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> They will tell you that in English, of course. If you're trying to posit that Esperanto is not used or practiced often, you'd be absolutely incorrect. It's widely used, both in spoken and written form. You can find a few Web sites here: http://dmoz.org/World/Esperanto/ Reviewing the traffic on soc.culture.esperanto shows that it's not only a sufficient language for talking about the language problem, but it's plenty good for talking about other issues as well. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&group=soc.culture.esperanto Unlike most other constructed languages, there are actual speakers of Esperanto who have lively conversations on a daily basis. You may have noticed some Esperanto bantered about on this very email list that we are using right now! If you're trying to posit that I'm making my point in English because what's-his-name posted in English (rather than Latin), well, I'm not sure there's much of a point in that. ~TMS -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 4 13:15:31 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Verizon simulates a clue Message-ID: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4213631.htm "Verizon resists music industry's request to identify alleged music pirate" - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2d9uIACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1LQQCfRJS0PWGZtH31UvYlh+AijvyF wP4An26ikcktNo6LPQzV0fcSkMK3svHk =xPyE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 4 13:25:14 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Verizon simulates a clue In-Reply-To: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> References: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021004202514.GA1891@zgp.org> begin Shawn McMahon quotation of Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 04:15:31PM -0400: > http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4213631.htm > > "Verizon resists music industry's request to identify alleged music > pirate" sudo tcpdump | grep -i arrr -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 4 13:48:22 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021004204822.GK19163@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bob Bernstein (rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us): > I can tolerate those, like the esteemed Mr. Moen, who have technical > quibbles with how Bernstein does things. But please don't give me this > license crap. Puleeze. As you say, I don't object to Prof. Bernstein producing proprietary software. The software definitely has some areas of excellence, and its licensing is entirely Prof. Bernstein's own affair. At the same time, the author (Wayne Marshall, not Prof. Bernstein) uses wording that is at best misleading: djbdns is generic, non-proprietary, unadorned C Yes, the C language is, I suppose, non-proprietary -- if that term has any meaning in that context. But the erroneous implication about djbdns itself is disingenuous. "the djb way" adds its own interesting twists to the interpretation of open source licensing and software distribution. That "twist" is more commonly referred to as being proprietary, in distinction to open source. (Marshall does clarify djbdns and other DJB projects' specific permissions grants, a little further on.) Oh, by the way, I've appended onto http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/linux-info/mtas some relevant comments on qmail and the $500 reward, including a reference to a pretty good page summarising unpatched security holes in qmail. > The man is an asset, pure and simple. Indeed, we should all be grateful for the lawsuit he conducted to regain the right to export cryptographic code. -- Cheers, The other day, upon the stair, Rick Moen I met a man who wasn't there. rick@linuxmafia.com He wasn't there again today; I think he's from the CIA. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Oct 4 15:08:29 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Bob Bernstein wrote: > I have yet to stop marvelling at the now-near-complete domination of this > list by compleat fucking morons, adolescent morons to boot. Hey remember earlier in the year when you were gloating about the success of the Red Sox? That was really funny. Good luck finding the piano at the bottom of the lake. Also, I know it's a long trip for you, but "No No Nanette" is playing at the Dean Lesher Regional Center for the Arts in Walnut Creek. You should check it out. From adam at flounder.net Fri Oct 4 15:04:42 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] in case you wanted to make a donation... Message-ID: <20021004220442.GC21168@flounder.net> http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=lilo --Adam From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Fri Oct 4 15:28:57 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Director of Re-education) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <6un0pu3rm8.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> <6un0pu3rm8.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <1033770537.2782.64553.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 15:56, Sean Neakums wrote: > You know, if we passed the hat around, we'd easily have enough to take > out a contract on this boob. Bah. That's essentially paying retail for services you can get almost for nothing in most cases. The Help Desk suggests these lower-cost alternatives for making people go away forever: A. Slap a bang on your victim's back and turn him loose in the ceoerate of Brooklyn B. Tattoo "It's Linux, not GNU/Linux!" on the victim's forehead and lock him in a room with RMS From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 4 15:33:07 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] in case you wanted to make a donation... In-Reply-To: <20021004220442.GC21168@flounder.net> References: <20021004220442.GC21168@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021004223307.GS2099@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > http://svcs.affero.net/rm.php?r=lilo 60% Peer-Directed Projects Center Which is another word for freenode. Basically that's 60% into his own pocket! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 4 15:51:30 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033771890.3d9e1b72b6d22@mail.spamcop.net> At last we get to something that matters: Quoting #2 of Berkeley : > Hey remember earlier in the year when you were gloating about the > success of the Red Sox? Hey no I don't. I remember going on record with the opinion that the Sox would do squat this season, no wild card, no nuthin'. > That was really funny. Hey really was it? Kewl. > Good luck finding the piano at the bottom of the lake. Oh goody. An overly obscure reference. Pls. explain. > Also, I know it's a long trip for you, but "No No Nanette" is playing at > the Dean Lesher Regional Center for the Arts in Walnut Creek. The ageism is simply lame, but if you're knocking the Broadway musical genre then we may have to go to blows. -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 4 15:59:58 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey post from registration@affero.net requires approval] Message-ID: <20021004225958.GT2099@zork.net> Ha ha ha kill you a lot. ----- Forwarded message from crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org ----- As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: CrackMonkey@crackmonkey.org From: registration@affero.net Subject: Affero Registration Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/admindb/crackmonkey to approve or deny the request. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From silverback at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 16:02:36 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <1033770537.2782.64553.camel@amory> (Director of Re-education's message of "04 Oct 2002 18:28:57 -0400") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <87bs6adm62.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004194812.GA3781@eiv.com> <6un0pu3rm8.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033770537.2782.64553.camel@amory> Message-ID: <87u1k1u7sj.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "DoR" == Director of Re-education writes: SN> You know, if we passed the hat around, we'd easily have enough SN> to take out a contract on this boob. DoR> Bah. That's essentially paying retail for services you can DoR> get almost for nothing in most cases. Agreed. Also, I think that responding to opposition -- trollage or not -- sharpens one's mind and refines one's argumentation skills. Of course, since my argumentation skills mostly involve eye-gouging with monogrammed writing implements, this can also help "sharpen the mind" of my opponent, if you get my drift. ~TMS P.S. And I think you do. -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Oct 4 16:11:52 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033771890.3d9e1b72b6d22@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > Good luck finding the piano at the bottom of the lake. > Oh goody. An overly obscure reference. Pls. explain. not that obscure for a red sox fan. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/20020223/ap-babespiano.html > > Also, I know it's a long trip for you, but "No No Nanette" is playing at > > the Dean Lesher Regional Center for the Arts in Walnut Creek. > The ageism is simply lame, but if you're knocking the Broadway musical genre > then we may have to go to blows. this was the musical that was funded by the sale of Babe Ruth to the yankees. Try to keep up. From mike at embody.org Fri Oct 4 16:13:04 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> begin Andrew Elmore quotation: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:55:18AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > Professors have agendae, just like everybody else. Mine was so > ^^^^^^^ > agenda is already plural. > > Its Latin root is the neuter noun 'agendum', of which the plural is > 'agenda'. It is plural in Latin ("things to be done"), but in English, it is a singluar count noun ("a group of things to be done", "a plan"). The plural is "agendas", as in "Have you finished typing up those agendas I gave you?" "We have many agenda for the upcoming meeting, so lets get to work" is not grammatical. -md From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 16:16:20 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Verizon simulates a clue In-Reply-To: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:15:31 -0400") References: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87ptupu75n.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4213631.htm SM> "Verizon resists music industry's request to identify alleged SM> music pirate" Of course, the music industry is smarting from the fact that they had to settle a case for $143 million for subverting the free market and gouging consumers over the last few years: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2289224.stm Man, I sure am going to smart under the moral outrage of the RIAA some more. Smart, smart. I'm a baaaaaad pirate! Bad, bad me! What a thief and criminal I am for stealing music! Then I'm gonna take my twenty bucks and donate it to Open Studios: http://www.studioforrecording.org/homepage.html Or maybe I'll just leave an extra-large tip at Kinko's next time I'm there. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 16:24:57 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: (#2 of Berkeley's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:11:52 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87k7kxu6ra.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: #oB> not that obscure for a red sox fan. #oB> http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/20020223/ap-babespiano.html That's pretty goddamn obscure, though. I like this line, though: "The search is sponsored by the Restoration Project, a rehabilitation program for adults with mental illness and head injuries."* I'm sure the Babe Ruth piano is of vital importance to head-injured persons all over the Boston metropolitan area. #oB> this was the musical that was funded by the sale of Babe Ruth #oB> to the yankees. #oB> Try to keep up. I'm diving as fast as I can. ~Mr. Bad * This quotation brought to you through the magic of FAIR USE. Enjoy FAIR USE at your next family gathering. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dmarti at zgp.org Fri Oct 4 16:42:20 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Verizon simulates a clue In-Reply-To: <87ptupu75n.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> <87ptupu75n.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021004234219.GA4321@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:16:20PM -0400: > Of course, the music industry is smarting from the fact that they had > to settle a case for $143 million for subverting the free market and > gouging consumers over the last few years: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2289224.stm Subverting the actual bits on the actual CDs with industrial strength peak limiting, that's a crime: http://www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C Google cache: http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:RbOJj6KLsO8J:www.prorec.com/prorec/articles.nsf/articles/8A133F52D0FD71AB86256C2E005DAF1C+prorec.com+rush+dogshit&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 What's the point of supporting a giant global industry when all they can turn out are CDs that sound like "dogshit"? A Kinko's employee with a guitar and a USB audio box is probably making better-quality audio CDs than the Man anyway. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 16:43:08 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> (mike dillon's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:13:04 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "md" == mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick) writes: md> It is plural in Latin ("things to be done"), but in English, md> it is a singluar count noun ("a group of things to be done", md> "a plan"). You, Mr. Dillon, will need to back that one up. The plural of the English word "agendum" is "agenda." Putting together a bunch of groups of agenda will not give you "agendas" or "agendae", but just more "agenda." Your foxes and my foxes together gives us "our foxes" and not "our foxeses." Your agenda and my agenda put together make "our agenda." That said, "agenda" _is_ a singular noun in English, but not in the sense you were using it. It's the name for a datebook or personal calendar, and as such should be pluralized as "agendas," as in, "Bob and Caroline were so astounded that the red leather agendas they carried were completely identical that they proceeded to have passionate sex on the conference table." ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 4 16:49:27 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033775367.3d9e29078106c@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting #2 of Berkeley : > not that obscure for a red sox fan. > http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/20020223/ap-babespiano.html Supah link. Pissah. Thanks. > this was the musical that was funded by the sale of Babe Ruth to the > yankees. Pissah. Thanks. > Try to keep up. It's wicked hard, ya know? Now to watch the Angels kick some evil Yankee ass... -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 17:21:27 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Verizon simulates a clue In-Reply-To: <20021004234219.GA4321@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:42:20 -0700") References: <20021004201531.GA4078@eiv.com> <87ptupu75n.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004234219.GA4321@zgp.org> Message-ID: <878z1du454.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: DM> What's the point of supporting a giant global industry when DM> all they can turn out are CDs that sound like "dogshit"? You know, the "Lofgren-Boucher Digital No-Dogshit Act of 2002" has a nice ring to it. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 4 17:24:37 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:43:08PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > The plural of the English word "agendum" is "agenda." Putting together > a bunch of groups of agenda will not give you "agendas" or "agendae", > but just more "agenda." > > Your foxes and my foxes together gives us "our foxes" and not "our > foxeses." Your agenda and my agenda put together make "our agenda." Not to go jumping into someone else's grammatical argument or anything, but would the term "agenda" be considered a collective noun, much like you could pluralize your lead of foxes and my lead of foxes to be two leads of foxes? Or is it skulks? I don't know; I had to google it. Maybe closer, though, to the frequent use of the term "peoples," which still makes me cringe, but apparently is an accepted use when referring to the plural 'people' as a singular ('a people'). I guess it indicates that there is a distinct difference between these people and those people (this people and that people?), so maybe it would be the same way between the agenda belonging to each individual professor. This is a long shot, though, and I'm not ready to accept it, really. It's another bastardization of words creeping its way into accepted speech, but if precedent is proof of propriety, then there you go. I mean, it doesn't mean granite rocks and limestone rocks together can be called 'rockses,' but it may only be a matter of time before that will be in common speech. It doesn't mean youse will have to accept it. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 4 17:30:31 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: References: <1033771890.3d9e1b72b6d22@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021005003031.GU2099@zork.net> begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > Good luck finding the piano at the bottom of the lake. > > Oh goody. An overly obscure reference. Pls. explain. > > not that obscure for a red sox fan. > http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news/ap/20020223/ap-babespiano.html I hope that's not another goddamn cosplay link. I'm sick of mailing list forwards full of fruits in numbered stripey-shirts and shit. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From Registration at affero.net Fri Oct 4 15:47:00 2002 From: Registration at affero.net (Registration@affero.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Affero Registration Message-ID: <20021004224700.300F136B55@mail.colo.affero.net> Dear crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org, Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback on lilo. This feedback is a valuable way to let people know how you view particular contributions in the community. If you want to provide feedback on future interactions, you must be a registered Affero member. To complete your registration to Affero, please go to the following URL, and choose a Login name and password: http://svcs.affero.net/aa.php?m=crackmonkey%40crackmonkey.org&k=55003f83fe9fc860b8b709ae823f978a If you have received this message without having requested it, it is because someone accidentally attempted to join with your e-mail address. It was most likely an innocent mistake, and only you can activate your account with the unique link above. If you do not want to activate your account, you can safely disregard this message. Thanks. From silverback at pigdog.org Fri Oct 4 17:35:11 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:24:37 -0700") References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> Not to go jumping into someone else's grammatical argument or NE> anything, Hey, come on in. The water is fine. NE> but would the term "agenda" be considered a collective noun, NE> much like you could pluralize your lead of foxes and my lead NE> of foxes to be two leads of foxes? I don't think so. I mean, an agenda of _what_? Owls? Caterpillars? Viruses? NE> Maybe closer, though, to the frequent use of the term NE> "peoples," which still makes me cringe, but apparently is an NE> accepted use when referring to the plural 'people' as a NE> singular ('a people'). You know, I think the term "people", which comes from the Latin "populus", originally meant "nation" or "race," and was later adapted to be the plural of "person." But I'm not sure. NE> It's another bastardization of words creeping its way into NE> accepted speech, but if precedent is proof of propriety, then NE> there you go. I mean, it doesn't mean granite rocks and NE> limestone rocks together can be called 'rockses,' but it may NE> only be a matter of time before that will be in common speech. Sure. But the enjoyment of proper grammar comes principally from correcting others. ~TMS P.S. This message is no longer personal and just for you. -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From mike at embody.org Fri Oct 4 17:58:46 2002 From: mike at embody.org (mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021005005844.GA11407@eber.embody.org> begin Mister Bad quotation: > You, Mr. Dillon, will need to back that one up. > > The plural of the English word "agendum" is "agenda." Putting together > a bunch of groups of agenda will not give you "agendas" or "agendae", > but just more "agenda." With the resources at my disposal, I can only use the paltry Merriam-Webster Dictionary (abridged) to do it: Main Entry: agen-da Pronunciation: &-'jen-d& Function: noun Etymology: Latin, neuter plural of agendum, gerundive of agere Date: 1871 1 : a list or outline of things to be considered or done 2 : an underlying often ideological plan or program Main Entry: agen-dum Pronunciation: -d&m Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural agen-da /-d&/; or -dums Etymology: Latin Date: circa 1847 1 : [see] AGENDA 2 : an item on an agenda Notice the sample phrases for "agenda", which say "agendas" and "a[n] ... agenda". Also, notice that definition 2 of "agendum" says "on _an_ agenda". If I had a copy of the OED, I could give examples that have actually been published, but I don't. Perhaps I should do some statistical analysis of the Brown corpora or something... > Your agenda and my agenda put together make "our agenda." That's true, but only because the meaning of "an agenda" refers to a group, which can be combined with another group to make a different, still singular group. > That said, "agenda" _is_ a singular noun in English, but not in the > sense you were using it. It's the name for a datebook or personal > calendar, and as such should be pluralized as "agendas," as in, "Bob > and Caroline were so astounded that the red leather agendas they > carried were completely identical that they proceeded to have > passionate sex on the conference table." That is simply an extension of the "a list of things to be done" meaning; i.e. "a book for holding agendas". -md From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Oct 4 18:14:19 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Affero Registration In-Reply-To: <20021004224700.300F136B55@mail.colo.affero.net> References: <20021004224700.300F136B55@mail.colo.affero.net> Message-ID: <1033780459.2735.71390.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-10-04 at 18:47, Monkey Master induced Registration@affero.net to spit up the following drivel: > > Thank you for taking the time to provide feedback on lilo. I'd pay a buck to read that. From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 4 18:27:22 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021005012722.GA29822@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:35:11PM -0400, The Mighty Silverback wrote: > I don't think so. I mean, an agenda of _what_? Owls? Caterpillars? > Viruses? Perhaps the comparison was flawed. I drew it because a person refers to it as "an agenda" rather than "some agenda." Although I don't think anyone would claim the term "some agenda" is incorrect. I guess this means everyone is a winner, just like in the Special Olympics. > You know, I think the term "people", which comes from the Latin > "populus", originally meant "nation" or "race," and was later adapted > to be the plural of "person." But I'm not sure. My Latin's a bit rusty (read: imaginary), but I suspect there might be a different root at work here. > Sure. But the enjoyment of proper grammar comes principally from > correcting others. I make a conscious effort not to correct the grammar of others, since I am guilty of frequent extraneous commas (commae?), mixing that/which, and a great many other sins worthy of the green-wavy-underline. > P.S. This message is no longer personal and just for you. Dude, I would totally unsubscribe right now if I could figure out how. From schoen at loyalty.org Sat Oct 5 02:00:32 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021005090032.GB9834@zork.net> The Lumberjack DJ writes: > So, I was taking the plane back from Geneva to Montreal yesterday > morning, and they thoughtfully provided copies of the Internation > Herald-Tribune on the Lufthansa flight from Geneva to Frankfurt. > > And as I was looking in the classifieds for tax shelters and > high-priced escorts, I noted a legal announcement for MR. OSAMA BIN > LADEN and ASSOCIATES indicating that he had to show up in the FEDERAL > COURTHOUSE in WASHINGTON D.C., USA, to answer his summons from this > group: > > http://www.september11classaction.com/ > > or risk SUMMARY JUDGEMENT by the court in favor of the plaintiffs. Wouldn't it be default judgment instead of summary judgment? > (To > be fair, the ad also runs in Al-Aqsa or whatever that big > USA-Today-style thing is in the Arab world. Osama and company probably > haven't been receiving their subscription copy of the IHT lately.) > > Apparently the plaintiff's are going to get all his frozen assets in > the US and abroad if he doesn't come forth. Which is kinda screwed, if > you think about it. I mean, there's NO WAY this guy is going to get a > fair trial. I'm all for giving 9/11 victims lots of ice cream and cake > and as much money as they can carry away in wheelbarrows, but it just > sounds so sleazy. > > And I'm wondering: does anyone know of a way that Mr. bin Laden could > get into the USA to answer his summons without getting, at best, > shuffled off to Guantanamo Bay or something? What happens when you > physically can't answer your summons, at risk of your life? Like if > you're on a dialysis machine or the world's most sought-after > terrorist? Well, in a civil action, the defendant doesn't have to be physically present, and can be represented by counsel instead. Physical presence of parties is more of a requirement for criminal actions. If you go down to civil court, you might be surprised at how many cases are just a judge and two lawyers arguing. (Criminal court is a whole different story, with defendants in custody actually brought into court in a prison jumpsuit, at least as long as a jury isn't present. I saw a whole parade of orange-clad defendants led in and out of Judge Whyte's courtroom on the day one of the Elcomsoft motions to dismiss was argued.) Bin Laden could answer a civil complaint through counsel without being physically present at all, and avoid a default judgment that way. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From dtype at dtype.org Sat Oct 5 08:58:00 2002 From: dtype at dtype.org (M. Drew Streib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Drew Streib is an Austrian! In-Reply-To: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory> References: <1033603466.1508.35822.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021005155800.GE12763@dtype.org> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:04:26PM -0400, Ron Guerin wrote: > Be thankful you're not Drew .... > > pid 12082 > ok 12082 dtype.org:64.71.163.201::43947 > pid 12082: 451 [1] GSD, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S322 > end 12082 status 0 > > .... or shacking up with Hurricane Electric. It happens. This goes on and off constantly. Luckily, afaik, spews doesn't automatically affect spamassassin anymore, as they have a tremendous amount of false positives, and are willing to wipe out entire large blocks that they "suspect" house spammers "somewhere in there". Screw them all. I'm with Don Marti on this one. -drew -- M. Drew Streib Independent Rambler, Software/Standards/Freedom/Law -- http://dtype.org/ From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 5 10:50:15 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021005175015.GX2099@zork.net> leek leek zsa zsa. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- leek@leek.za.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 5 13:45:33 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] oops Message-ID: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/oct/05/100503876.html i mean, all the lawyering notwithstanding, have you ever forgotten that you ordered a coke and had instead iced tea in your head, and been mortified when you took a sip? now imagine that you've done up a turkey and are, okay, a little deficient in the chef department and so are planning to use campbell's mushroom soup as the base for your gravy. and end up with turkey-clam-potato gravy. you'd probably rush to the e.r. on general principles. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 5 13:53:14 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] oops In-Reply-To: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > now imagine that you've done up a turkey and are, okay, a little > deficient in the chef department and so are planning to use > campbell's mushroom soup as the base for your gravy. and end up with > turkey-clam-potato gravy. you'd probably rush to the e.r. on general > principles. Now imagine that you're deathly allergic to shellfish, or are vegetarian or keep kosher. That's why this is a big deal. Eating shellfish is not something you want to have done because someone sneaked it into your mouth. Bonus because New England Clam Chowder typically has shellfish, bacon, AND cream in it. It's the world's most treyf food. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 5 14:15:05 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] oops In-Reply-To: <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> References: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210051715.05200.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | Now imagine that you're deathly allergic to shellfish, or are | vegetarian or keep kosher. That's why this is a big deal. Eating | shellfish is not something you want to have done because someone | sneaked it into your mouth. Bonus because New England Clam Chowder | typically has shellfish, bacon, AND cream in it. It's the world's | most treyf food. no, i mean beyond all that. just a plain old person who thinks he's getting mushroom soup. the aesthetics of it are revolting enough to be worth the price of admission. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 5 14:52:07 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha snub the Iqualuit Message-ID: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021004/168/2drhy.html&e=3 :< -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 5 14:57:22 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha snub the Iqualuit In-Reply-To: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> References: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210051757.22452.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021004/168/2drhy.ht |ml&e=3 | | :< what's more, she told marilyn, standing behind the boy, that she never quite understood "northern exposure" or why the flying man would be interested in a fat chick. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Sat Oct 5 15:03:44 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] oops In-Reply-To: <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> References: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021005220344.GA16490@dasbistro.com> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 01:53:14PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Eating shellfish is not something you want to have done because > someone sneaked it into your mouth. I don't know why, but this line has me giggling like a schoolgirl. From ron at vnetworx.net Sat Oct 5 15:08:53 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha snub the Iqualuit In-Reply-To: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> References: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <1033855733.2782.123260.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-10-05 at 17:52, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021004/168/2drhy.html&e=3 That story was to distract you from the giant shoe army the French are assembling in the open, under the guise of an anti-mine protest. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/021005/168/2dwyl.html&e=11 From montaigne at att.net Sat Oct 5 19:16:39 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] oops In-Reply-To: <20021005220344.GA16490@dasbistro.com> References: <200210051645.33488.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021005205314.GY2099@zork.net> <20021005220344.GA16490@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021006021639.GA3812@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 03:03:44PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > I don't know why, but this line has me giggling like a schoolgirl. You don't know why? I know why. You're a pervert. Now go put something interesting in your mouth, and stop bothering ordinary hard-working normal people, such as myself, of course. -- montaigne From schoen at loyalty.org Sat Oct 5 20:25:39 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021005012722.GA29822@dasbistro.com> References: <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005012722.GA29822@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021006032539.GC9834@zork.net> Not Erik writes: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:35:11PM -0400, The Mighty Silverback wrote: > > > You know, I think the term "people", which comes from the Latin > > "populus", originally meant "nation" or "race," and was later adapted > > to be the plural of "person." But I'm not sure. > > My Latin's a bit rusty (read: imaginary), but I suspect there might be > a different root at work here. For "person"? Yes, that refers to a mask, through which (per) you make sounds (sonare). "I am not a number, I am a free mask!" -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From schoen at loyalty.org Sat Oct 5 20:28:28 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> Mister Bad writes: > Do, la ver?isto lin demandis, Is the person of whom a question is asked really supposed to be the direct object of demandi? Can you really say "Mi demandas vin."? I ask you. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From schoen at loyalty.org Sat Oct 5 20:33:48 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021006033348.GE9834@zork.net> Mister Bad writes: > >>>>> "md" == mike dillon (Agent Orange Dick) writes: > > md> It is plural in Latin ("things to be done"), but in English, > md> it is a singluar count noun ("a group of things to be done", > md> "a plan"). > > You, Mr. Dillon, will need to back that one up. > > The plural of the English word "agendum" is "agenda." Putting together > a bunch of groups of agenda will not give you "agendas" or "agendae", > but just more "agenda." > > Your foxes and my foxes together gives us "our foxes" and not "our > foxeses." Your agenda and my agenda put together make "our agenda." Hmmm, but My foxes are too many! My agenda is too long! not *My foxes is too many! *My agenda are too many! -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 5 20:36:24 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> begin The ASCII Floating Head of Seth David Schoen quotation: > Mister Bad writes: > > Do, la ver?isto lin demandis, > > Is the person of whom a question is asked really supposed to be the > direct object of demandi? Can you really say "Mi demandas vin."? I > ask you. You should ask he again, for emphasis! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 6 06:50:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:07 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:28:28 -0700") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> Message-ID: <87n0prk76g.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SDS" == Seth David Schoen writes: Mi> Do, la ver?isto lin demandis, SDS> Is the person of whom a question is asked really supposed to SDS> be the direct object of demandi? Can you really say "Mi SDS> demandas vin."? I ask you. It's kind of sloppy, but not uncommon. Indirect objects usually have the prepositional form "al + noun." You can always replace any preposition + noun with the noun nominative case, so: Mi demandas al vi -> Mi demandas vin. However, it's frowned on for indirect objects, since it can be confusing, as in: Mi donas la viron la virinon. Do, multajn dankojn pro via bona redaktora komento. Mi korektos ghin la venontan Leteristo-Ferion. ~S-o Malbona -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 6 09:16:35 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021006161635.GP2099@zork.net> He's too busy trying to unfuck bojira! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- brian@collab.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Oct 5 13:18:35 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. Message-ID: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> Die Yankees die! -- Bob Bernstein at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog Esmond, Rhode Island USA From sneakums at zork.net Sun Oct 6 09:23:43 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:18:35 -0400") References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > Die Yankees die! Die cosplay die! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Oct 6 09:37:20 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Sean Neakums : > Die cosplay die! Ok, I give up: whither/whence "cosplay?" -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun Oct 6 09:42:15 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Quoting Sean Neakums : > > Die cosplay die! > > Ok, I give up: whither/whence "cosplay?" Costume play. It's when a bunch of weenie fans dress up like the people from their favorite cartoon or sports teams. So like if you see someone in a fruity cat costume or a stripey shirt with a number on it, they're probably into "furry". -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From tyrak at borgship.net Sun Oct 6 10:48:10 2002 From: tyrak at borgship.net (Joakim Andersson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021006174810.GB11830@borgship.net> On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 09:42:15AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Ok, I give up: whither/whence "cosplay?" > > Costume play. It's when a bunch of weenie fans dress up like the > people from their favorite cartoon or sports teams. So like if you > see someone in a fruity cat costume or a stripey shirt with a number > on it, they're probably into "furry". I wonder when people will start to dress up like their favorite mailing lists. -- Joakim Andersson ; tyrak@borgship.net ; http://borgship.net/~tyrak/ From pawal at blipp.com Sun Oct 6 10:53:20 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <20021006174810.GB11830@borgship.net> References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> <20021006174810.GB11830@borgship.net> Message-ID: <20021006175320.GE383@vic20.blipp.com> On Sun, 06 Oct 2002, Joakim Andersson wrote: > I wonder when people will start to dress up like their favorite mailing > lists. You mean there's more than one (dress|list)? -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 `-> http://www.gnuheter.com/ From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 6 11:07:38 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021005175015.GX2099@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 5 Oct 2002 10:50:15 -0700") References: <20021005175015.GX2099@zork.net> Message-ID: mm> ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- mm> leek@leek.za.net has been successfully subscribed to mm> CrackMonkey. mm> ----- End forwarded message ----- Learn NIS, fool. -- The spanning tree computed in a region appears as a subtree in the CST that encompasses the entire switched domain. The CIST is formed as a result of the spanning-tree algorithm running between switches that support the 802.1W, 802.1S, and 802.1D protocols. The CIST inside an MST region is the same as the CST outside the region. Press RETURN to get started. From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 6 11:25:06 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Paging Mr. bin Laden In-Reply-To: <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> (Jeremy McLeod's message of "Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:16:49 -0400") References: <87elb7oyi5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021004001649.GB11740@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "jm" == Jeremy McLeod writes: jm> s/shitty/brilliant balthasar:~$ sed 's/shitty/brilliant' sed: 1: "s/shitty/brilliant": unterminated substitute in regular expression -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Sun Oct 6 12:16:44 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] An impersonal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <1033677130.2782.1728.camel@amory> <20021003204311.GF14873@dasbistro.com> <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021006191644.GA27805@columbus.rr.com> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 07:43:08PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > The plural of the English word "agendum" is "agenda." Putting together > a bunch of groups of agenda will not give you "agendas" or "agendae", > but just more "agenda." Oh, sure. Next I suppose you'll be saying that "data" is plural, too. -- Matthew "I blame Basic" Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Oct 6 12:20:05 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <1033932005.3da08ce526579@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco : > Costume play. It's when a bunch of weenie fans dress up like the > people from their favorite cartoon or sports teams. So like if you > see someone in a fruity cat costume or a stripey shirt with a number > on it, they're probably into "furry". Well, I know there are furry fetishes out there, but I don't see them as akin to the people who splash bodypaint on themselves to go to a football game. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From modus at as220.org Sun Oct 6 14:36:54 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is it. In-Reply-To: <1033932005.3da08ce526579@mail.spamcop.net>; from rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us on Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 03:20:05PM -0400 References: <1033849115.3d9f491bd30ed@mail.spamcop.net> <6u4rbzzgc0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1033922240.3da066c01a452@mail.spamcop.net> <20021006164215.GQ2099@zork.net> <1033932005.3da08ce526579@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021006173654.B3606@as220.org> Bob Bernstein looked into the void, and said: > Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > : > > > Costume play. It's when a bunch of weenie fans dress up like the > > people from their favorite cartoon or sports teams. So like if you > > see someone in a fruity cat costume or a stripey shirt with a number > > on it, they're probably into "furry". > > Well, I know there are furry fetishes out there, but I don't see them as > akin to the people who splash bodypaint on themselves to go to a football game. No resemblance. Furries are much cooler than those hypertesticular mongolid sports fans. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Oct 6 15:52:42 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > You should ask he again, for emphasis! Ha ha, when you do it in English every English-speaker can see what's wrong with it. When you do it in Esperanto, there's an argument. I see now why you want it used for diplomacy, Nick; you're expecting hilarity to ensue. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2gvroACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1/vwCfaHISbDM+Ecj0Ak8lNVcecQLi k0YAnRn8c6pl1IYOYNY0GjuQIUP2G2hS =XiHR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 6 16:08:49 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:52:42 -0400") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> Message-ID: <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> Ha ha, when you do it in English every English-speaker can see SM> what's wrong with it. Not true. Many non-native speakers wouldn't hear the difference. SM> When you do it in Esperanto, there's an argument. It's a discussion. After all, everyone is a non-native speaker of Esperanto. Some of us have more experience than others, some are more slangy and non-grammatical than others. SM> I see now why you want it used for diplomacy, Nick; you're SM> expecting hilarity to ensue. Your jealousy is so transparent, Shawn. Why don't you just take the plunge and learn E-o? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Sun Oct 6 16:24:01 2002 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Finkelstein method for analysis is an excellent demonstration... Message-ID: N2H2 (censorware co) asks dismiss blacklist suit http://www.lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20021004123640 N2H2 (censorware co) asks dismiss blacklist suit Story Posted by Blake on Friday October 04 2002, @ 12:36PM -- Read 10 Times. from the Out-Of-My-Court dept. Seth Finkelstein [ http://sethf.com/ ] writes "From an article in the Chronicle of Higher Education: [ http://chronicle.com/free/2002/10/2002100203t.htm ] "The Internet filtering company N2H2 Inc. is asking a judge to dismiss a lawsuit that a Harvard University law school student brought against the firm. The student, Benjamin G. Edelman, wants a judge to clear the way for him to obtain and disseminate the list of Web sites that N2H2 blocks." See also commentary at GrepLaw [ http://grep.law.harvard.edu/article.pl?sid=02/10/03/1427244&mode=thread ] and Seth Finkelstein's blog " [ http://sethf.com/infothought/blog/archives/000030.html ] filtering << Post Your Comments on this story! | Flattened >> Related Links Seth Finkelstein Chronicle of Higher Education GrepLaw Seth Finkelstein's blog Related Articles More by Blake Logical proof. by Don Warner Saklad dsaklad@zurich.ai.mit.edu on Sunday, October 06 @07:16PM http://saklad.org The Finkelstein method for analysis is excellent demonstration that rules out that there can be a filter that works in 2002. It doesn't adequately demonstrate that there're people who because they want to believe it believe a filter works at their end. In the future, could there ever be an algorhithm that would work for actual filtering?... Or could it be completely ruled out by a logical proof?... [Reply to this comment ] http://www.lisnews.com/article.php3?sid=20021004123640 From ron at vnetworx.net Sun Oct 6 16:26:57 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1033946817.3212.190670.camel@amory> On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 19:08, Mister Bad wrote: > >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: > SM> I see now why you want it used for diplomacy, Nick; you're > SM> expecting hilarity to ensue. > > Your jealousy is so transparent, Shawn. Why don't you just take the > plunge and learn E-o? You've gotta sell up the secret society angle. Esperanto: The official language of Bad People of the Future! http://www.pigdog.org/categories/esperanto.html Like that. -- What's Esperanto for "What would Brian Behlendorf do?" From squinky at dasbistro.com Sun Oct 6 16:45:48 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021006032539.GC9834@zork.net> References: <8765wjfd1x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005012722.GA29822@dasbistro.com> <20021006032539.GC9834@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021006234548.GB9192@dasbistro.com> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:25:39PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > For "person"? Yes, that refers to a mask, through which (per) you > make sounds (sonare). > > "I am not a number, I am a free mask!" God, 'person' and 'people' are such radically different words I guess I was led to think they came from different roots. From schoen at loyalty.org Sun Oct 6 17:52:04 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A personal message from Cleo just for you! In-Reply-To: <20021006234548.GB9192@dasbistro.com> References: <20021003221835.GA20380@zork.net> <20021004125518.GA1336@eiv.com> <20021004174420.GD20328@interwoven.com> <20021004231302.GC10185@eber.embody.org> <87fzvlu5wz.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005002437.GA28269@dasbistro.com> <874rc1u3i8.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021005012722.GA29822@dasbistro.com> <20021006032539.GC9834@zork.net> <20021006234548.GB9192@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021007005204.GA3182@zork.net> Not Erik writes: > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:25:39PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > For "person"? Yes, that refers to a mask, through which (per) you > > make sounds (sonare). > > > > "I am not a number, I am a free mask!" > > God, 'person' and 'people' are such radically different words I guess > I was led to think they came from different roots. The point was that they _do_ (populus/per sonare). -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From schoen at loyalty.org Sun Oct 6 18:05:41 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021007010541.GB3182@zork.net> Mister Bad writes: > After all, everyone is a non-native speaker of > Esperanto. Mi audis, ke ekzistas parolantoj, kies "unua" lingvo estis Esperanto. Ili lernis gxin (kun aliajn lingvojn) dum siaj infanterioj. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun Oct 6 20:31:25 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Arrrh! Message-ID: <200210070331.g973VPkS003920@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php3?ID=4853 From jesux at unix.tm Sun Oct 6 21:50:57 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha snub the Iqualuit In-Reply-To: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 02:52:07PM -0700 References: <20021005215207.GA2099@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021007145057.A1940@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 02:52:07PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > :< The solution is Queen Celine: -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Oct 7 05:23:08 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021007122308.GB11129@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > Your jealousy is so transparent, Shawn. Why don't you just take the > plunge and learn E-o? Because it's not a language, it's a club; and I wouldn't join any club that would have me for a member. I'll learn something more useful, like Klingon. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2hfKsACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2zVgCfYTSiPqBYrYqx3QFZgqU5b3IF kAwAoJ0LjF/A+iPYoHBSe2qCznNL6X4r =Kzi4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Oct 7 06:17:42 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007122308.GB11129@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:23:08 -0400") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021007122308.GB11129@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87hefymlqh.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: Me> Your jealousy is so transparent, Shawn. Why don't you just Me> take the plunge and learn E-o? SM> Because it's not a language, it's a club; and I wouldn't join SM> any club that would have me for a member. Well, no, it's not really a club, it's a language. The creator of Esperanto, LL Zamenhof, explicitly declared that the language was property of all people on earth, and that no one -- no organization, no individual -- could control access to it, or say what it was "about", or any of that shite. So, sorry, I can't promise you exclusivity. We want _everybody_ as a member. I think the great tragedy is that your only exposure to Esperanto, apparently, has been through crackmonkey or similar venues. Maybe you should look at some more stuff, like the Prague Manifesto, which concisely describes the goals of (most) Esperantists: http://www.esperanto.se/dok/praguemanifesto.html (It was written in Esperanto first, of course. That's just a translation. Click on one of the flags to see it in Swahili or Lithuanian or whatever.) There's a good explanation also on the ELNA site: http://www.esperanto-usa.org/about_eo.html As well as some resources for learning the language: http://www.esperanto-usa.org/lessons.html And, what the hell, here's the Esperanto FAQ: http://www.esperanto.net/veb/faq.html Anywho, you need to read more. SM> I'll learn something more useful, like Klingon. Oh, hey, great idea! It's not really more useful, but learning languages is good for your brain. But, of course, you should learn Esperanto first. There've been a number of studies that show that people learn other languages _faster_ and with better proficiency after having studied Esperanto. Check out more info here: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Oct 7 06:20:58 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong Message-ID: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://mosascii.com/sd/casemod/casemod.htm Case-modding Sun e15ks... - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2hijoACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0HMQCg3B7i0arphXqytN4yWagV85kf +5EAoJPSspvqwC7QVwkW6giZAASKl7vq =YrdC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pawal at blipp.com Mon Oct 7 06:22:14 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong In-Reply-To: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> References: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 15:20, Shawn McMahon wrote: > http://mosascii.com/sd/casemod/casemod.htm > > Case-modding Sun e15ks... Yeah, Slashdot r0x0rs. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-733173956 From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Oct 7 06:36:24 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong In-Reply-To: <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> References: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> Message-ID: <20021007133624.GA11523@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Patrik Wallstrom quotation: > > > Case-modding Sun e15ks... > > Yeah, Slashdot r0x0rs. Does it? I wouldn't know, I was sent that by a cow-orker. Slashdot was overrun by people who say things like "r0x0rs", I quit messing with it. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2hjdgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3ozwCgh3nQROVBfv+k5XkVe10qRChH LlMAn0PH9ZpY24n6/mj3Mx6Q/UXvowPb =1vkZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zen at zork.net Mon Oct 7 07:14:11 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong In-Reply-To: <20021007133624.GA11523@eiv.com> References: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> <20021007133624.GA11523@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021007141411.GB15884@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon uuencoded stream: > Does it? I wouldn't know, I was sent that by a cow-orker. Slashdot was > overrun by people who say things like "r0x0rs", I quit messing with it. Moo. -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Oct 7 07:40:34 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong In-Reply-To: <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "07 Oct 2002 15:22:14 +0200") References: <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> Message-ID: <87bs66mhwd.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "PW" == Patrik Wallstrom writes: PW> Yeah, Slashdot r0x0rs. FuX0r ThatX0r. You know what would -really- roX0r? A filter on Crackmonkey that would: a) Look for URLs in a message b) Compare them to URLs in the latest RSS file from Slarshdoat c) Reject the posting if there was an exact match Of course, it'd have to stop at the .sig separator*, since people who get Slarshdoated shouldn't be punished for being popular. I leave the implementation to one of our local Python model rocketeers. ~Mr. Bad * Which should probably be checked, anyways, for compliance with applicable sons-of-RFCs. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Oct 7 15:58:18 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007122308.GB11129@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:23:08 -0400") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021007122308.GB11129@eiv.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "sm" == Shawn McMahon writes: sm> I wouldn't join any club that would have me for a member. Have you ever noticed that like nine in ten J. D. Salinger fans are women? odd, that. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Mon Oct 7 16:20:53 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 7 Oct 2002, Miles Nordin wrote: > >>>>> "sm" == Shawn McMahon writes: > > sm> I wouldn't join any club that would have me for a member. > > Have you ever noticed that like nine in ten J. D. Salinger fans are > women? odd, that. How about Groucho Marx fans? From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Oct 7 16:35:44 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: (#2 of Berkeley's message of "Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:20:53 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: #oB> Groucho Marx fans? go to hell, pinko bastard commie scum! From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Oct 7 16:42:58 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021007234258.GA4015@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:35:44PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: > #oB> Groucho Marx fans? > > go to hell, pinko bastard commie scum! ITYM soft-rock scum. From modus at as220.org Mon Oct 7 19:26:55 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007234258.GA4015@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:42:58PM -0700 References: <20021007234258.GA4015@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021007222655.B25123@as220.org> Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:35:44PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > > >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: > > #oB> Groucho Marx fans? > > > > go to hell, pinko bastard commie scum! > > ITYM soft-rock scum. The whole point of the Groucho reference, unless I am mistaken, is that he's the one who made the joke about not wanting to join any club that would have him for a member. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Oct 7 18:08:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007222655.B25123@as220.org> References: <20021007234258.GA4015@dasbistro.com> <20021007222655.B25123@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021008010835.GE4127@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > The whole point of the Groucho reference, unless I am mistaken, is > that he's the one who made the joke about not wanting to join any > club that would have him for a member. Hi Deirdre. Your new costume isn't very convincing, you know. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Oct 7 18:09:16 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007222655.B25123@as220.org> References: <20021007234258.GA4015@dasbistro.com> <20021007222655.B25123@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021008010916.GA5121@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 10:26:55PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Not Erik looked into the void, and said: > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 07:35:44PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > > > go to hell, pinko bastard commie scum! > > > > ITYM soft-rock scum. > > The whole point of the Groucho reference, unless I am > mistaken, is that he's the one who made the joke about not > wanting to join any club that would have him for a member. No, you're thinking of Mark Twain. Groucho Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto and several whiny piano-laden lite-rock albums. ... GODDAMNIT I'M TROLLING AGAIN! See what you've made me do? AAARGH! From carton at Ivy.NET Mon Oct 7 16:35:44 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: (#2 of Berkeley's message of "Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:20:53 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: #oB> Groucho Marx fans? go to hell, pinko bastard commie scum! From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 8 08:45:39 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021007010541.GB3182@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:05:41 -0700") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021007010541.GB3182@zork.net> Message-ID: <87hefxlysc.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SDS" == Seth David Schoen writes: SDS> Mi audis, ke ekzistas parolantoj, kies "unua" lingvo estis SDS> Esperanto. Ili lernis gxin (kun aliajn lingvojn) dum siaj SDS> infanterioj. Jes, la tiel-nomata "denaskaj parolantoj." http://eo.wikipedia.com/wiki/Denaskaj_infanoj Anglalingve: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Esperanto_speakers ~Mr. Bad P.S. Mi jhus trovis per Vikipedio chi tiun amuzan ttt-ejon, nomitan "Learn Not To Speak Esperanto:" http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/ranto/ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lists at kassube.de Mon Oct 7 08:47:43 2002 From: lists at kassube.de (Larry Ists) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Sun, 06 Oct 2002 19:08:49 -0400") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> Mister Bad writes: > It's a discussion. After all, everyone is a non-native speaker of > Esperanto. Some of us have more experience than others, some are more Not true. Some little humans are forced to learn Esperanto as a native language. The Esperanto folks call them "denaska parolanto". http://www.helsinki.fi/~jslindst/odo.html Even more frightening, there's also at least one Klingon native speaker. Where is Janet Reno when you need her? From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 8 12:13:25 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> Message-ID: <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Larry Ists quotation: > > Not true. Some little humans are forced to learn Esperanto as a native > language. The Esperanto folks call them "denaska parolanto". Child abuse. So many neural pathways wasted, that could have been spent learning the pirate joke. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2jLlUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3J0ACg8fnxTI8UkW3Q+ll+zNIZCUCA rEMAnjxuqjtDgVkxZflOtYszvoOLDsuR =0pAM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 8 12:14:06 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pat Metheney redux Message-ID: <20021008191406.GK4127@zork.net> http://www.metafilter.com/comments.mefi/20640 Ha ha! Everybody digs Pat Metheney! Flame on! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 8 12:21:38 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 15:13, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Larry Ists quotation: > > > > Not true. Some little humans are forced to learn Esperanto as a native > > language. The Esperanto folks call them "denaska parolanto". > > Child abuse. So many neural pathways wasted, that could have been spent > learning the pirate joke. I'll bet that joke isn't nearly as entertaining when it's not in Merkin. From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 8 12:34:30 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:08 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Ron Guerin quotation: > > I'll bet that joke isn't nearly as entertaining when it's not in Merkin. Welcome to five days ago. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2jM0YACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3D2QCg2eV1VBLfztggENzSFQvErcDe ZekAoK5TFGRJ1EuqjGNYgPYgZFedruXg =U0fO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 8 13:05:25 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 15:34, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Ron Guerin quotation: > > > > I'll bet that joke isn't nearly as entertaining when it's not in Merkin. > > Welcome to five days ago. Oh, you're one of those linear people. You really ought to free yourself from this uni-directional prison you've confined yourself to. This list needs one of those gadgets like Star Track has, where you can reply to any message, past or future. Speaking of which, you should see the wacky hijinks coming up on CrackMonkey. In about 23 days, Citizen Hicks is going to tell us the pirate joke, and hilarity will ensue. -- Fuck linearity. -- Ben Franklin From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Oct 8 13:19:18 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021008201918.GZ11235@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Ron Guerin (ron@vnetworx.net): > This list needs one of those gadgets like Star Track has, where you can > reply to any message, past or future. Who's "Louie Louie", and where does he "gotta go"? -- Cheers, I have a mind like a steel trap. Rick Moen Rusty, and illegal in thirty-seven states. rick@linuxmafia.com From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 8 13:28:20 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <20021008201918.GZ11235@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> <20021008201918.GZ11235@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021008202820.GA26247@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:19:18PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > Who's "Louie Louie", and where does he "gotta go"? It's a metaphor. You know. From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 8 13:45:55 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> Message-ID: At 13.27 -0400 02-10-04, Bob Bernstein wrote: >I have yet to stop marvelling at the now-near-complete domination of this >list by compleat fucking morons, adolescent morons to boot. (---) >Bob Bernstein >at http://ruptured-duck.com/blog >Esmond, Rhode Island >USA Haha - you obvious troll - Rhode Island is a salad dressing. Everyone knows this. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 8 13:47:43 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: <20021004204822.GK19163@linuxmafia.com> References: <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: At 13.48 -0700 02-10-04, Rick Moen wrote: >> The man is an asset, pure and simple. >Indeed, we should all be grateful for the lawsuit he conducted to regain >the right to export cryptographic code. You obvious Google juice and kharma whore! I want my wireless moen back! Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 8 13:50:38 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This is just wrong In-Reply-To: <20021007133624.GA11523@eiv.com> References: <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> <20021007132058.GA11433@eiv.com> <1033996935.25443.16.camel@pawalski.nic-se.se> Message-ID: At 09.36 -0400 02-10-07, Shawn McMahon wrote: >> Yeah, Slashdot r0x0rs. >Does it? I wouldn't know, I was sent that by a cow-orker. Slashdot was >overrun by people who say things like "r0x0rs", I quit messing with it. Is that a "cow-orker" in your pants or are you just happy to see me? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 8 13:53:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> <20021008193430.GA17391@eiv.com> <1034107525.1030.41129.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021008205359.GO4127@zork.net> begin Ron Guerin quotation: > On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 15:34, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > Welcome to five days ago. > > Oh, you're one of those linear people. You really ought to free > yourself from this uni-directional prison you've confined yourself > to. Yeah! You oughta read in reverse-chronological order like RICK MOEN! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 8 15:36:28 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry Message-ID: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't "ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Oct 8 15:46:19 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry In-Reply-To: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> References: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021008224619.GD11235@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't > "ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? You say that only because you're a pedophile child-molester. -- Cheers, Bah humbug. Shop late. Rick Moen Happy unChristmas. rick@linuxmafia.com From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 8 15:45:41 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry In-Reply-To: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Not Erik wrote: > Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't > "ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? I, uhh, hate to be the one to break this to you, but... your dick is orange. From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 8 15:55:32 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Stats Message-ID: I know you have all tried out all the essentials of Google-fight already, but here are some statistics for the archives. http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=rick+moen&q2=nick+moffitt&B1=I% 27m+Feeling+Groggy%21%21+Go%21&compare=1&langue=us rick moen 25 900 results versus nick moffitt 19 200 results Even if you add nick moffit 1 440 results Moen is a winner. But if you really want to be depressed: http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=crackmonkey&q2=slashdot&B1=I%27 m+Feeling+Groggy%21%21+Go%21&compare=1&langue=us crackmonkey 118 000 results versus slashdot 2 120 000 results Just to prove there is some hope: http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=usama+bin+laden&q2=evil+bert&B1 =I%27m+Feeling+Groggy%21%21+Go%21&compare=1&langue=us usama bin laden 38 500 results versus evil bert 54 700 results _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Oct 8 15:53:45 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry In-Reply-To: References: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021008225344.GA1082@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 03:45:41PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > I, uhh, hate to be the one to break this to you, but... > your dick is orange. Tastes like cheese, dunnit? -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From mikael at pawlo.com Tue Oct 8 15:58:51 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry In-Reply-To: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: At 15.36 -0700 02-10-08, Not Erik wrote: >Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't >"ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? It would be without the dash. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 8 15:57:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Stats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021008225737.GV4127@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > I know you have all tried out all the essentials of Google-fight > already, but here are some statistics for the archives. > > http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=rick+moen&q2=nick+moffitt&B1=I%27m+Feeling+Groggy%21%21+Go%21&compare=1&langue=us > > rick moen > > 25 900 results > > versus > > nick moffitt > > 19 200 results yeah, but try this one: http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?soumission=1&langue=us&q1=rick%20moen&q2=nick%20moffitt&r1=2&r2=191004400&motvainqueur=rick%20moen I am victorious! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 8 15:59:12 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bona Leteristo-Ferio! In-Reply-To: <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> (Ron Guerin's message of "08 Oct 2002 15:21:38 -0400") References: <87vg4jdwjq.fsf@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us> <20021006032828.GD9834@zork.net> <20021006033624.GD2099@zork.net> <20021006225242.GC8639@eiv.com> <877kgvnp1a.fsf@pigdog.org> <81y99ab68w.fsf@darwin.lan.kassube.de> <20021008191325.GA17138@eiv.com> <1034104899.1030.39253.camel@amory> Message-ID: <87hefwlepr.fsf@speakeasy.net> >>>>> "RG" == Ron Guerin writes: RG> I'll bet that joke isn't nearly as entertaining when it's not RG> in Merkin. Fakte, ghi tute amuzis min. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arrr! Ghi kondukas miajn testikojn, kaj tio ege min ghenas! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 8 15:59:57 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Stats In-Reply-To: <20021008225737.GV4127@zork.net> References: <20021008225737.GV4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021008225957.GX4127@zork.net> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?soumission=1&langue=us&q1=rick%20moen&q2=nick%20moffitt&r1=2&r2=191004400&motvainqueur=rick%20moen > > I am victorious! er, that is: http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?soumission=1&langue=us&q1=rick%20moen&q2=nick%20moffitt&r1=2&r2=191004400&motvainqueur=nick%20moffitt -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jv at zork.net Tue Oct 8 16:04:03 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: Ped Xing (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry) Message-ID: <20021008230402.GA10331@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen ----- Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't > "ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? You say that only because you're a pedophile child-molester. That thingie that lights up occurances of "gar" in *my* ".muttrc": "color body brightwhite red gar" ... I added: "color body brightwhite cyan ped" ... but no cyan; red, though, shows ok: "color body brightwhite red ped" ... the answer's probably in some manual, some where... -jv p.s... yes, Nick, you may quote me on that p.p.s... *my* ".muttrc"... hahaha From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Tue Oct 8 16:22:38 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight Message-ID: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> begin A google fight between Esperanto and Klingon answers the debate once and for all. From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 8 17:33:17 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> References: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> So, I'm having a hard time figuring this one out. Are you indeed the feared and respected Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, or do you just have a poor command of the English language? On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 12:22:38PM +1300, Ian W H wrote: > begin A google fight between Esperanto and Klingon answers the debate once and for all. > -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Oct 8 17:54:15 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> (Erik Bourget's message of "Tue, 08 Oct 2002 20:33:17 -0400") References: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: >>>>> "eb" == Erik Bourget writes: eb> Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, even for a sea-faring man you are an outsider, Capitan Bourget. From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Tue Oct 8 18:15:36 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight Message-ID: <3D94A885@mail.djuice.co.nz> begin I am not the feared and respected captain Failure. I am the feared and respected telephone crackmonkey user. I don't see anything wrong with my use of the English language. Perhaps you people in Canadia don't recognise English when you see it. Mi opinias ke jes. >===== Original Message From ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca ===== >So, I'm having a hard time figuring this one out. Are you indeed the >feared and respected Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, or do >you just have a poor command of the English language? > >On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 12:22:38PM +1300, Ian W H wrote: >> begin A google fight between Esperanto and Klingon answers the debate once and for all. -- "When formalities founder, Casual Tease" From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 8 18:35:12 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: <3D94A885@mail.djuice.co.nz> References: <3D94A885@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <1034127312.3260.55585.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 21:15, Ian W H wrote: > Perhaps you people in Canadia don't recognise English when you see it. ^^^^^^^^^ ITYM "recognize". You're as bad as the people in Canadia if you're going to use commiewealth spelling. How _are_ things in Northern Zaire? Have you seen Jane? She needs to get back here and lay down the law. If you see her, tell her there's been Slashdot weenies poaching again. From henrik at enberg.org Tue Oct 8 18:35:35 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: <3D94A885@mail.djuice.co.nz> (Ian W H's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:15:36 +1300") References: <3D94A885@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <874rbw2y3c.fsf@enberg.org> Ian W H <0272456089@djuice.co.nz> writes: > begin I am not the feared and respected captain Failure. I am the feared and > respected telephone crackmonkey user. I don't see anything wrong with my use > of the English language. Perhaps you people in Canadia don't recognise English > when you see it. Mi opinias ke jes. > >>===== Original Message From ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca ===== >>So, I'm having a hard time figuring this one out. Are you indeed the >>feared and respected Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, or do >>you just have a poor command of the English language? You both seem to be deck-mates for the feared Captain Top Poster. FOAD the two of you. And I lost a lot of fear and respect for telephone crackmonkey when he started breaking his lines. Stop doing that. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she uses Old Spice for cooking. From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 8 20:05:56 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: References: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <20021009030556.GA30952@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:54:15PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > >>>>> "eb" == Erik Bourget writes: > > eb> Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, > > even for a sea-faring man you are an outsider, Capitan Bourget. And harassing people you don't know is just as fun as harassing people that you do know. More fun, sometimes. Especially at 5am when one is trying to get an experiment running correctly. -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Oct 8 20:19:51 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation Message-ID: <20021009031951.GA18642@zgp.org> Attention US citizens. The new name for High Energy Radiation is now "Soothing Cool Cleansing". That is all. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=585&ncid=585&e=14&u=/nm/20021008/sc_nm/food_irradiation_dc -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 8 20:50:32 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation In-Reply-To: <20021009031951.GA18642@zgp.org> References: <20021009031951.GA18642@zgp.org> Message-ID: <1034135433.1035.61671.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 23:19, Don Marti wrote: > Attention US citizens. The new name for High Energy Radiation is > now "Soothing Cool Cleansing". That is all. > > http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=585&ncid=585&e=14&u=/nm/20021008/sc_nm/food_irradiation_dc "In its industry guidelines, the FDA said any company can apply to revise its irradiation labels as long as the new label is not false or misleading." "In its petition, a food company must submit consumer research that shows a comprehension of the proposed label. U.S. food companies can seek federal approval to avoid using the word "irradiation" on labels of foods treated with the disease-killing process, and instead use language such as 'cold pasteurization,' the Food and Drug Administration said on Tuesday." Dude. We're being trolled by the FDA! The above statements are mutually exclusive. And let's not gloss over this "cold pasteurization" thing. WTF is that shit? They seem to have amalgamated Pasteur and the Curies together, proving again, Merkins care as little about the French, as the French do about Merkins. -- At least the Champagne was _real_ Champagne. -- Ben Franklin From modus at as220.org Tue Oct 8 23:02:11 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] trying to make sense of djb In-Reply-To: ; from mikael@pawlo.com on Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 10:45:55PM +0200 References: <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <20021004102838.GH16637@vic20.blipp.com> <1033750819.3d9dc9230edec@mail.spamcop.net> <20021004170255.GA2782@eiv.com> <1033752445.3d9dcf7d796a2@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021009020211.A14282@as220.org> Mikael Pawlo looked into the void, and said: > Haha - you obvious troll - Rhode Island is a salad dressing. Everyone knows > this. Rhode Island is actually only one of the Thousand Islands used in the making of the salad dressing. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Oct 8 21:57:40 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] pedantry In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:36:28 PDT." <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> References: <20021008223628.GA516@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200210090457.g994veIm004162@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 15:36:28 PDT, Not Erik said: > Not to pop up and question conventional wisdom or anything, but isn't > "ad-hominem personal attacks" redundant? No. An ad-hominem attack is of the form "You are a flatulent cretin, therefor your statement is incorrect". Merely calling you a flatulent cretin would be a non-ad-hominem personal attack. (As a special subcase, pointing out logic errors committed by the the opponent due to said opponent's flatulence and cretinism isn't an ad-hominem attack, it's shooting fish in a barrel...) From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 8 22:06:54 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Novus Ordo Seclorum Message-ID: <20021009050654.GF4127@zork.net> http://www.reason.com/0210/artifact.shtml > Another agency may be trying to outdo the IAO. The Patent and > Trademark Office's symbol for homeland security is an eyeball > floating behind a keyhole, with an upside-down flag in the > background. If a dissident Web site put up a picture like that, it > would be accused of fomenting panic. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 8 22:41:17 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Legend has it they once looked like a roast chicken Message-ID: <20021009054116.GG4127@zork.net> 22:33 <@CrackMonkey> ALL HAIL THE NEW PLANET QUAOAR 22:34 <@CrackMonkey> http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,31500-1066604,00.html 22:34 <@Zen> THE QUAGAAR ARE COMING! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Wed Oct 9 02:05:15 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English Message-ID: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> begin In .uk and .nz, we use -ise more than we use -ize. That doesn't mean always. You need something better than spell -b to help you get it right. The absence of i18n in spelling makes the Lisp logomachy seem almost insignificant. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 04:51:16 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English In-Reply-To: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> (Ian W H's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:05:15 +1300") References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "IWH" == Ian W H <0272456089@djuice.co.nz> writes: IWH> begin In .uk and .nz, we use -ise more than we use -ize. That IWH> doesn't mean always. Dear dreaded phone guy, Here is the logic behind this joke. 1) People in the Commonwealth use the -ise suffix more than they use the -ize suffix. 2) People in Canadia use the -ise suffix. 3) Therefore, People in the Commonwealth are Canadians. Since this logic is fallacious, it is funny. Also, it is funny to call people "Canadian." If you'd like, I can diagram the Orange Dick joke for you, too. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Wed Oct 9 05:08:40 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL (was Re: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English) In-Reply-To: <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2002 07:51:16 -0400") References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> commence Mister Bad quotation: > Here is the logic behind this joke. > > 1) People in the Commonwealth use the -ise suffix more than they > use the -ize suffix. > > 2) People in Canadia use the -ise suffix. > > 3) Therefore, People in the Commonwealth are Canadians. > > Since this logic is fallacious, it is funny. Also, it is funny to call > people "Canadian." Sir, I would like to utilise this joke in an upcoming "stand up" comedy performance that I have scheduled. Please contact me off-list with licensing details. Skit integration/deployment guidelines and best practices documentation would also be helpful. Regards, -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Oct 9 06:01:51 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Legend has it they once looked like a roast chicken In-Reply-To: <20021009054116.GG4127@zork.net> References: <20021009054116.GG4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021009130151.GF20797@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > 22:33 <@CrackMonkey> ALL HAIL THE NEW PLANET QUAOAR Nah, this week neither Quaoar nor Pluto are planets, they're Kuiper Belt Star Track Technobabble Objects. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2kKL4ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1sDgCeJtQuYMuhfgc0Cup+Z3wnUIqt E+oAoJMESqnN8NvQFx/KicpinzrujInf =sd8P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From asf at void.at Wed Oct 9 06:08:10 2002 From: asf at void.at (Andreas Fuchs) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: BUSINESS PROPOSAL References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: Today, Sean Neakums wrote: > Skit integration/deployment guidelines and best practices > documentation would also be helpful. You better revise your shedule to receive a once-in-a-lifetime offer for a rare Dorothy Parker reference. -- Andreas Fuchs, , asf@jabber.at, antifuchs From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 09:46:03 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL (was Re: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English) In-Reply-To: <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2002 13:08:40 +0100") References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87it0b1rxw.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: Me> Since this logic is fallacious, it is funny. Also, it is funny Me> to call people "Canadian." SN> I would like to utilise this joke in an upcoming "stand up" SN> comedy performance that I have scheduled. Please contact me SN> off-list with licensing details. The joke is currently not available for licensing, although I anticipate releasing it as an "Open Source" joke under the GFJL (GNU Free Joke License), if I can get all interested parties to turn over copyright to the FSF. I will, however, show you the source of the joke under the new XML format, JDL (Joke Diagram Language). ITYM "recognize". You're as bad as the people in Canadia if you're going to use commiewealth spelling. Addressee used word "recognise" on Crackmonkey mailing list. People in the Commonwealth use the -ise suffix more than they use the -ize suffix. People in Canada use the -ise suffix. Therefore, People in the Commonwealth are Canadians. people in Canadia Canadians are not a traditionally disparaged group. Traditional pretended antipathy to Canadians on Crackmonkey mailing list. People who live in countries with names ending in "-ia" are referred to with the same root and the suffix "-ian". A group of people are known as "Canadians". This group lives in a country named "Canadia". commiewealth Commonwealth Commie Implies members of the Commonwealth are Communists One of the nice things about JDL is that, when someone says, "This joke is funny on so many levels," you can say exactly how many levels the joke is funny on. SN> Skit integration/deployment guidelines and best practices SN> documentation would also be helpful. Sorry, you'll have to wait for JDL 0.2 for these features. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From andy at strugglers.net Wed Oct 9 10:30:12 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL (was Re: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English) In-Reply-To: <87it0b1rxw.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> <87it0b1rxw.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021009173012.GL8569@lug.org.uk> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 12:46:03PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > I will, however, show you the source of the joke under the new XML > format, JDL (Joke Diagram Language). > > > > SYSTEM "http://www.shithousecrazy.com/jdl/jdl-0.1.dtd"> > > [18:23:16] but the dtd isn't uploaded :/ Now I need a meta-JDL to explain why I find the above funny. :( From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 9 11:20:03 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Esperanto google fight In-Reply-To: <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> References: <3D94A212@mail.djuice.co.nz> <20021009003317.GA25635@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: <20021009182002.GA27047@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 08:33:17PM -0400, Erik Bourget wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 12:22:38PM +1300, Ian W H wrote: > > begin A google fight between Esperanto and Klingon answers the debate once and for all. > > > > So, I'm having a hard time figuring this one out. Are you indeed the > feared and respected Captain Failure, sender of unfinished mails, or do > you just have a poor command of the English language? > Well he's obviously no Captain Winner. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 9 11:22:55 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation In-Reply-To: <1034135433.1035.61671.camel@amory> References: <20021009031951.GA18642@zgp.org> <1034135433.1035.61671.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021009182255.GA2686@zgp.org> begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation of Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:50:32PM -0400: > And let's not gloss over this "cold pasteurization" thing. WTF is that > shit? MG-fuckin-D, dude! -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Oct 9 11:58:37 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: BUSINESS PROPOSAL (was Re: [!CrackMonkey!] How to recognise English) In-Reply-To: <87it0b1rxw.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <3D94BDBA@mail.djuice.co.nz> <87d6qjg79n.fsf@pigdog.org> <6uhefv95mf.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> <87it0b1rxw.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021009185837.GA11235@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Mister Bad (mr.bad@pigdog.org): > The joke is currently not available for licensing, although I > anticipate releasing it as an "Open Source" joke under the GFJL (GNU > Free Joke License), if I can get all interested parties to turn over > copyright to the FSF. I must say that the ongoing legal problems with licensing of derived jokes is driving me nuts. -- Cheers, Rick Moen FORTH heart if honk then. rick@linuxmafia.com From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 9 12:39:31 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Long Now Foundation Message-ID: <20021009193931.GL4127@zork.net> http://sfweekly.com/issues/2002-10-09/feature.html/1/index.html > The Long Now Foundation wants to assemble every human language on > one nearly indestructible disk -- and, maybe, to last forever And then in a hojillion years this Victorian prat will come and spin the rings and learn how the nuclear blasts actually CONDITIONED THE ELOI TO BE SLAVES! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 9 13:18:29 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Big Ass Spanish Boat Message-ID: <20021009201829.GM4127@zork.net> http://www.dailyevergreen.com/nn4/news/index.asp?Story_ID=6923 > The Daily Evergreen would like to sincerely apologize for an > injustice served to the Filipino-American, Spanish-speaking and > Catholic communities on the front page of Thursday's Evergreen. > > The story "Filipino-American history recognized" stated that the > "Nuestra Senora de Buena Esperanza," the galleon on which the first > Filipinos landed at Morro, Bay, Calif., loosely translates to "The > Big Ass Spanish Boat." It actually translates to "Our Lady of Good > Peace." > > Parts of the story, including the translation above, were > plagiarized from an inaccurate Web site. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jv at zork.net Wed Oct 9 13:24:39 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: A rose (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation) Message-ID: <20021009202439.GB30885@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation of Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:50:32PM -0400: > And let's not gloss over this "cold pasteurization" thing. WTF is that > shit? MG-fuckin-D, dude! This is why Miller approached FDA with an alternative: "Electronic Pasteurization". -jv From ron at vnetworx.net Wed Oct 9 13:54:41 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: A rose (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation) In-Reply-To: <20021009202439.GB30885@zork.net> References: <20021009202439.GB30885@zork.net> Message-ID: <1034196881.1030.107725.camel@amory> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 16:24, Juggler Vain wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- > begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation of > Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:50:32PM -0400: > > And let's not gloss over this "cold pasteurization" thing. WTF is that > > shit? > > MG-fuckin-D, dude! > > This is why Miller approached FDA with an alternative: "Electronic > Pasteurization". -jv When trademark and copyright start getting extended retroactively into the past, I hope the Pasteur heirs put in a claim for a piece of all of it. -- Come to Port Jefferson, where the wild naugehyde still roam freely! From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 14:10:06 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mije Lawa Ike) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:09 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Toki Pona Message-ID: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? sina jo ala jo e tenpo sona e toki Epelanto? tan ni la o sina sona e toki pona! o sina tawa tomo ilo sona: http://www.tokipona.org/ toki pona li toki lili en musi. tenpo lili la jan li ken sona e ijo ni. ~Mije Lawa Ike -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From henrik at enberg.org Wed Oct 9 14:59:23 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mije Lawa Ike's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:10:06 -0400") References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> Mije Lawa Ike writes: > sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? All this Esperanto gar has to stop! Take it to nettime-l instead, I'm sure all the Deiters will be impressed. -- Yo mama's so stanky, she gets sourdough yeast infections. From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 9 15:46:51 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [laszlo@monkeydyne.com: [sf-caco] Frank on campus] Message-ID: <20021009224651.GT4127@zork.net> No wonder I couldn't find him! ----- Forwarded message from Laszlo Toth ----- Frank Chu has apparently changed his MO: I've got a friend who's spotted him around the Berkeley campus for the past week. He apparently needs new shoes, Josh. ========================================================= Soren Ragsdale wrote: > Chris Chun wrote: > > Hey, you know that Asian guy who walks around with the signs > > about the planetory blanketyzoids? He's been on campus a lot > > lately and he's limping. Has he always limped, or does he need > > new shoes? He added "YORK" to the top of his sign. > > Frank's on the Berkeley campus? That's a big departure from his > pattern as far as I know. I don't actually know whether he's > always limped but usually he needs new shoes. I know a guy who's > been trying to find Frank to give him a pair for a while. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's him. He's been on campus since the beginning of this week, as far as I can tell. I was going to take him to buy new shoes, but I'm not really in a financial position to do that right now. Also, I didn't know if there was some official ceremony for giving him new shoes. Oh, and I had to go to class. He needs some sneaker-y shoes for all that walking, not the dressier shoes that I saw him wearing. Yeah, let the guy know that Frank's on campus, usually around Sproul and Sather Gate, not far into campus. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 16:06:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mije Lawa Ike) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2002 23:59:23 +0200") References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <87smzfqkjs.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "HE" == Henrik Enberg writes: mi> sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? HE> All this Esperanto gar has to stop! toki ni li toki Epelanto ala. toki ni li toki pona. ona li sama ala. HE> Take it to nettime-l instead, I'm sure all the Deiters will be HE> impressed. a! sina li jan palaka! sina li jan nasa! o sina moku weka juki, o sina moli! palaka! ~Mije Lawa Ike -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 9 16:12:34 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: A rose (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Radiation) In-Reply-To: <1034196881.1030.107725.camel@amory> References: <20021009202439.GB30885@zork.net> <1034196881.1030.107725.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021009231234.GA30552@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 04:54:41PM -0400, Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island wrote: > When trademark and copyright start getting extended retroactively into > the past, I hope the Pasteur heirs put in a claim for a piece of all of > it. I think the DMCA might help them get some jackbooted gub'ment thugs down to the meat irradiation plants and lay waste to the whole thing. Hey! Maybe they'll misunderstand the difference between radiation and radioactivity, accuse them of building noo-kyoo-lur weapons, and send air strikes to obliterate their stores of room-temperature milk. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From jv at zork.net Wed Oct 9 16:27:59 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: Toki Pone, Pokey Mon... (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona) In-Reply-To: <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021009232759.GF30885@zork.net> begin Henrik Enberg quotation: > Mije Lawa Ike writes: > > sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? > All this Esperanto gar has to stop! Take it to nettime-l instead, I'm > sure all the Deiters will be impressed. If esperanto were a *real* language, babelfish would include it. -jv From dmarti at zgp.org Wed Oct 9 16:31:25 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [laszlo@monkeydyne.com: [sf-caco] Frank on campus] In-Reply-To: <20021009224651.GT4127@zork.net> References: <20021009224651.GT4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021009233125.GB8038@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:46:51PM -0700: > No wonder I couldn't find him! The man obviously needs dress shoes in his work, and you drug fiends keep buying him Nikes. These are the shoes for all-day standing comfort and elegance, both. Allen Edmonds Park Avenue. All natural materials except the tread on the heel. Highly comfortable after a short break-in period. http://www.aeclassics.com/product-file/29/park29/product-thumbnail.jpg -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 16:38:03 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: Toki Pone, Pokey Mon... (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona) In-Reply-To: <20021009232759.GF30885@zork.net> (Juggler Vain's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:27:59 -0700") References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> <20021009232759.GF30885@zork.net> Message-ID: <873crfrxno.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "JV" == Juggler Vain writes: mi> sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? HE> All this Esperanto gar has to stop! Take it to nettime-l HE> instead, I'm sure all the Deiters will be impressed. JV> If esperanto were a *real* language, babelfish would include JV> it. taso toki ni li toki Epelanto ala! ona li toki pona! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jv at zork.net Wed Oct 9 16:58:07 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: !Twenty-Nine Bux (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] [laszlo@monkeydyne.com: [sf-caco] Frank on campus]) In-Reply-To: <20021009233125.GB8038@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20021009235807.GG30885@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:46:51PM -0700: > No wonder I couldn't find him! The man obviously needs dress shoes in his work, and you drug fiends keep buying him Nikes. These are the shoes for all-day standing comfort and elegance, both. Allen Edmonds Park Avenue. All natural materials except the tread on the heel. Highly comfortable after a short break-in period. http://www.aeclassics.com/product-file/29/park29/product-thumbnail.jpg ----- End forwarded message ----- Every style in aeclassics.com's "29" department on sale for under thirty dollars a pair. Well within the means of many drug fiends. -jv From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 9 17:05:25 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021010000524.GA31903@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 05:10:06PM -0400, Mije Lawa Ike wrote: > http://www.tokipona.org/ I guess I should avoid all of the newspeak references, since a language so godawful cute can't possibly serve a sinister purpose. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 17:10:59 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <20021010000524.GA31903@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2002 17:05:25 -0700") References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021010000524.GA31903@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87y997qhkc.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: mi> http://www.tokipona.org/ NE> I guess I should avoid all of the newspeak references, since a NE> language so godawful cute can't possibly serve a sinister NE> purpose. kin ala a! ~Mije Lawa Ike -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Wed Oct 9 17:11:49 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] RE: Toki Pona Message-ID: <3D94DA81@mail.djuice.co.nz> begin henrik is in error. The message from the porn photographer is not eo at all but some other tongue which has self confessed inadequacies. Suggest everyone learns eo well enough to recognise it. Or better, learn Bislama. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Oct 9 17:37:27 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] RE: Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <3D94DA81@mail.djuice.co.nz> (Ian W H's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:11:49 +1300") References: <3D94DA81@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <87u1jvqgc8.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "IWH" == Ian W H <0272456089@djuice.co.nz> writes: IWH> henrik is in error. The message from the porn IWH> photographer is not eo at all but some other tongue which has IWH> self confessed inadequacies. Yes, it does. It's easy enough to learn to speak in an afternoon, but unfortunately that's due to the fact that you really can't say shit in it. It's kind of the Minsky machine of human languages. IWH> Suggest everyone learns eo well enough to recognise it. Amen. IWH> Or better, learn Bislama. Which, in fact, looks really cool. Heck, I find it kind of strange that people who are bothered by Esperanto haven't learned Quenya or Laadan* or something and started posting in it. If you want to learn an annoying language but don't want to put in any effort, toki pona is for you! ~Mr. Bad * Actually, I guess we don't have any women here. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 9 19:16:57 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Precedent! Message-ID: <20021010021657.GA4127@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Dave Gross ----- To summarize: Daniel Pratt wandered incessantly, lecturing about "The Four Kingdoms" and "The Solar System," obsessing about U.S. presidents and complaining about being deprived of his fairly-won fame by the powers-that-be. He was characterized by his incoherent speech and his made-up words, sometimes formed by what appeared to be squishing other words together haphazardly or with a method known only to him. He was widely thought to be batshit nuts, but was humored and honored in a tongue-in-cheek fashion by young smart-asses. Daniel Pratt (1809-1887) The Great American Traveler (excerpts from "American Eccentrics" by Carl Sifakis) ...Daniel Pratt... was dubbed by the press "the great American Traveler." He covered well over 200,000 miles in his wanderings from Maine to remote army posts in the Dakotas, visiting 27 states and 16 Indian tribes. As his fame spread, he could rely on the kindness of strangers, white and red, to offer him food and shelter. He was clearly demented, but those taking him in could count on being regaled with wild tales of his misadventures; he was particularly welcomed on college campuses. Madman perhaps; a challenge to the intellect nevertheless. ...[he] was called by residents [of Chelsea, Mass.] "maggot-brained" and "brainsick." He spoke of roaming the country going nowhere, and soon he was on his way there again. Over the years Pratt trekked by foot from Massachusetts to Washington, D.C., 17 times and witnessed the inauguration of five presidents. These were not happy journeys for him; his chief delusion was that he had been elected president but was constantly deprived of his office by scheming politicians. Often his recourse was to tour New England college campuses, denouncing the political system and urging the future graduates to change it and, in the process, give him his due by placing him in the White House. Regularly, almost as sure as a holiday, Pratt turned up spring and fall on the campuses of such institutions as Yale, Dartmouth and Brown, arriving in town and putting up in a cheap hotel. In his frock coat and dingy stovepipe hat he looked very much the retired professor as he took up his station under the campus elms, there awaiting a call to a hastily organized lecture. The students, attending in thhe hundreds, were always taken by his oratorical style which, although he said little that made sense, was filled with remarkable word-creations and a stunning mastery of the non sequitur. Among his favorite topics, all guaranteed to produce handsome returns in the collections that followed, were "The Four Kingdoms," "The Harmony of the Human Mind," "The Solar System," and perhaps most dazzling of all, "The Vocabulaboratory of the World's History." College authorities did not think highly of Pratt's visits and on several occasions tried to eject him from the campus. However a "Praetorian Guard" of students generally protected him from the philistines and more than once sent the disciplinary officers fleeing. At Dartmouth once a group of appreciative students and faculty conferred upon him the honorary degree of C.O.D., for Cash on Delivery. A jest of course; yet here was a lunatic worthy of the recognition and esteem no other babbler could achieve... ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sam at dasbistro.com Wed Oct 9 19:32:40 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <87y997qhkc.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021010000524.GA31903@dasbistro.com> <87y997qhkc.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021010023240.GB27047@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:10:59PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: > > mi> http://www.tokipona.org/ > > NE> I guess I should avoid all of the newspeak references, since a > NE> language so godawful cute can't possibly serve a sinister > NE> purpose. > > kin ala a! > sina ken ala musi toki "ala pona orc" kan toki pona. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed Oct 9 22:20:18 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: Toki Pone, Pokey Mon... (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:27:59 PDT." <20021009232759.GF30885@zork.net> References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> <20021009232759.GF30885@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210100520.g9A5KIfY002823@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 09 Oct 2002 16:27:59 PDT, Juggler Vain said: > If esperanto were a *real* language, babelfish would include it. -jv But who would the Daily Evergreen apologize to for calling it a Big Ass Esperanto Boat? From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 9 23:09:17 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Oggs have always been communist, comrade! MP3 is an UnWord! Message-ID: <20021010060917.GB4127@zork.net> http://tastytronic.net/main/ogg.jpeg -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Thu Oct 10 00:02:24 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Oggs have always been communist, comrade! MP3 is an UnWord! In-Reply-To: <20021010060917.GB4127@zork.net> References: <20021010060917.GB4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021010070224.GA4401@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> It's great that friendly open-source projects are breaking out into annoying SomethingAwful photoshop art. EVERYTIME YOU PIRATE OGG GOD KILLES THE KITTEN - erik On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 11:09:17PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://tastytronic.net/main/ogg.jpeg > -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 10 07:07:53 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <874rbvmfyc.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021010140753.GA28206@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Henrik Enberg quotation: > > > sina wile ala wile sona e toki pi jan ale? > > All this Esperanto gar has to stop! Take it to nettime-l instead, I'm Please diagram how your comment is related to the above quote. Be sure to document my expected ROI. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2libkACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt38OACguItpxgkrhB/boNj5Q5VJ42yE eEcAoOjeDTZX5Cvuv+3i6545rDQJHL8U =JLTn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Oct 10 09:41:31 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Oggs have always been communist, comrade! MP3 is an UnWord! In-Reply-To: <20021010070224.GA4401@sushi.sus.mcgill.ca> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Erik Bourget wrote: > It's great that friendly open-source projects are breaking out into > annoying SomethingAwful photoshop art. Modernhumorist.com will have their lawyers over at your place shortly. Please make some coffee. From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 10 10:44:42 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! Message-ID: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hah hah firewall. - ----- Forwarded message from gjyoung@cfl.rr.com ----- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 11:59:05 US/Eastern From: gjyoung@cfl.rr.com Subject: [cfgeeks] icmp-shell To: cfgeeks@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan Standard Edition v3.2.9 Reply-To: cfgeeks@yahoogroups.com yet another reason to block ICMP inbound. http://peter.eluks.com/code/Unix/C/ICMP-Shell/ - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2lvIoACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3zjwCeJDdo2Lusc+QB+2j6DEPuwtkJ rRQAoKJDjuGfRSTKCPt2e7XIQXf1iAb6 =mBpx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 12:31:16 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> Damn twits never post. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- jyg08@sbcglobal.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Oct 10 12:36:56 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Damn twits never post. I thought this list was having the exact opposite problem. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Oct 10 12:36:26 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210101536.26662.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | Damn twits never post. there you go, sugar coating it again. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 10 12:46:10 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:36:56PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > Damn twits never post. > > I thought this list was having the exact opposite problem. ASCII penis -> 8======D kiss kiss -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 10 13:03:26 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [thoth@PURPLEFROG.COM: Re: Sendmail on the new redhats] Message-ID: <20021010200326.GC30221@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thought you guys might enjoy this ad-hominem from the Gainsville LUG: - ----- Forwarded message from Bob Forsman ----- Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:16:01 -0400 From: Bob Forsman Subject: Re: Sendmail on the new redhats To: LINUX-L@LISTS.UFL.EDU X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.3claws39 (GTK+ 1.2.10; ) Reply-To: Platform Independent Linux List! In 11EC5AFE0D21D411B1A3009027EEAA6E63014E@acpabdc.int.acpafl.org, Jim Wharton wrote: > As far as using free only software, I'll reach that point when someone > releases a Free alternative to MS Exchange that works with Outlook. Bynari > is still a little out of my league personally. You do realize that by running Outlook, you are materially contributing to the instability of the internet? Running Outlook is morally equivalent to firing your AK-47 into the air. Eventually the bullets are going to land somewhere, and possibly on somebody. CUT IT THE FUCK OUT! If you run Outlook, you are a goat-fucker. I don't care if your user's whine. Tell them, for the good of the world, you're not letting them run that virus propagation agent anymore, and if they don't like it, they can go outside and fire their fucking AK-47s into the air. ``Whine, whine, my boss won't let me do that.'' It doesn't make you any less of a goat-fucker. - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2l3Q0ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0IlACgqQ5C8X2ROMmVCLc/9vNwg0+1 R0kAn3NDvpxnPoxZS1PkaEXjbKVe9v67 =gi58 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bker at yage.net Thu Oct 10 13:11:24 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021010201124.GB12230@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:46:10PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > ASCII penis -> 8======D You're exaggerating, obviously. 8==D From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Oct 10 13:21:47 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021010201124.GB12230@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> <20021010201124.GB12230@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021010202147.GB25209@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 04:11:24PM -0400, bker@yage.net wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 12:46:10PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > > ASCII penis -> 8======D > > You're exaggerating, obviously. > > 8==D See that? I jump in with my facetious 'ha ha twit posting' ASCII penis and a genuine twit comes up and decides to take the opportunity to respond with an infantile and uninspired waste of bandwidth like that, bringing the intelligence level of the thread down in the process. You, sir, have sullied the good name of ASCII penises everywhere. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From henrik at enberg.org Thu Oct 10 13:22:02 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Toki Pona In-Reply-To: <3D94DA81@mail.djuice.co.nz> (Ian W H's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:11:49 +1300") References: <3D94DA81@mail.djuice.co.nz> Message-ID: <87it0adoyd.fsf@enberg.org> Ian W H <0272456089@djuice.co.nz> writes: > begin henrik is in error. The message from the porn photographer is > not eo at all but some other tongue which has self confessed > inadequacies. Well, that just shows that Esperanto is a joke language, it looks excatly like some other joke language. > Suggest everyone learns eo well enough to recognise it. Or better, > learn Bislama. If I'm gonna learn gar, I'm gonna learn some useful gar like dutch. Could come in handy if I ever move to Aruba. -- Yo mama's so fat, her car is made of spandex. From henrik at enberg.org Thu Oct 10 13:25:04 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ASCII penis -> 8======D (was: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification]) In-Reply-To: <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:46:10 -0700") References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87elaydotb.fsf_-_@enberg.org> Not Erik writes: > penis My Gnus makes subject-lines orange. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she got fired from a blow-job. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Oct 10 05:30:29 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Jan Ike) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: JAN ULUKA LI PILIN IKE (Re: [!CrackMonkey!] Toki Pona) In-Reply-To: <20021010023240.GB27047@dasbistro.com> (Sam Phillips's message of "Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:32:40 -0700") References: <87wuorqpxt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021010000524.GA31903@dasbistro.com> <87y997qhkc.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021010023240.GB27047@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87adlmqb05.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SP" == Sam Phillips writes: mi> kin ala a! SP> sina ken ala musi toki "ala pona orc" kan toki pona. mi ken a! o lukin! mi pali e toki musi ni! JAN ULUKA LI PILIN IKE jan Uluka wan li pana e telo oko. jan Uluka li wan, li pilin ike. jan Uluka ni li wile e seme? seli li pona tawa jan Uluka. moku e luka jan li pona tawa jan Uluka. pali e lupo pi sinpin jan li pona tawa jan Uluka. anpa e kiwen tawa kawa jan li pona tawa jan Uluka. tu e kawa jan li pona tawa jan Uluka. jan Uluka li wile kute e kalama musi utala. jan Uluka li wile lukin e telo loje pi jan lili mute. akesi jelo li jan pona pi jan Uluka. pipi pimeja en loje li jan pona pi jan Uluka. pipi mute li pona tawa jan Uluka. ijo palaka li pona tawa jan Uluka. ijo jaki li pona tawa jan Uluka. jan moli li pona tawa jan Uluka. tenpo pimeja li pona tawa jan Uluka. jan Uluka li wile palaka seli e tomo jan. jan Uluka li wile moku e luka jan wan. taso ala! utala li lon ala a! kulupu utala li lon ala a! pimeja kin seli li lon ala a! jan Uluka li jo ala e ilo utala wan! tenpo suno li lon. suno mute li lon! suno li pana e seli tawa selo pi jan Uluka! kaso li lon! waso mute li lon! waso mute li pana e kalama musi waso! ni li pona ala tawa jan Uluka! jan Uluka li wile e luka jan insa uta. jan Uluka li pilin ike. ~Jan Ike -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Oct 10 13:49:39 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Pirate songs Message-ID: <20021010204939.GA30587@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.angelfire.com/darkside/pirates/lyrics.html Arrgh Motherfucker, Arrgh! - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2l5+IACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1EAQCcDS9i+cQbAdLzRYX/XP3rSC9r I1kAoIUkOnhOUQm5i0z6gZzz6Y22XltE =jb4U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 13:58:43 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] monkeypants Message-ID: <20021010205843.GD24008@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Josh Greenman ----- To: monkeywire@lists.ibiblio.org http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2002470427,00.html Smuggler's apes in pants A SMUGGLER is facing up to a year's jail after hiding two MONKEYS in his underpants on a 17-hour flight. Robert Cusack, 45, flew 8,200 miles from Thailand to Los Angeles with the rare 10ins pygmy monkeys next to his crotch. Officials searched him after they opened his case and a tropical bird flew out. He had three more birds inside -- two dead. Cusack, of Palm Springs, admitted smuggling endangered species. The monkeys are now in LA's zoo. Prosecutor Joseph Johns told a court in California: "The little critters were in surprisingly good condition." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From bker at yage.net Thu Oct 10 15:12:10 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:10 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021010202147.GB25209@dasbistro.com> References: <20021010193116.GC4127@zork.net> <20021010194610.GA25209@dasbistro.com> <20021010201124.GB12230@localhost.localdomain> <20021010202147.GB25209@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021010221210.GA9098@localhost.localdomain> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:21:47PM -0700, Not Erik wrote: > See that? I jump in with my facetious 'ha ha twit posting' ASCII > penis and a genuine twit comes up and decides to take the opportunity > to respond with an infantile and uninspired waste of bandwidth like > that, bringing the intelligence level of the thread down in the > process. > > You, sir, have sullied the good name of ASCII penises everywhere. 60:3 Don't ever let anybody tell you that trolls don't have a high ROI. From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 19:03:08 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [owen@ditherati.net: D I T H E R A T I for 10 October 2002] Message-ID: <20021011020308.GC12174@zork.net> Ah yes! And there is such a market out there for a game with one MILLION players! Why, Chris's system will let you hear the din of 100,000 people AT ONCE! Hooray for progress! Also note that VA is the mafia. ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- L'ENFER, C'EST LES CENT MILLE AUTRES "For massive multiplayer online role-playing games, the limitations are at the back end. If you look at EverQuest, you can only have 100,000 people at once, and they can't all interact with each other." Chris DiBona, enthusiastic Slashdot contributor and VP of marketing at Damage Studios, Wired News, 10 October 2002 http://www.wired.com/news/exec/0,1370,55682,00.html ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 19:22:05 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Honest question Message-ID: <20021011022205.GD12174@zork.net> Oh, THAT Cirque du Soleil! ----- Forwarded message from D-lux ----- On Thursday, Oct 10, 2002, at 19:07 US/Pacific, Squeeky wrote: > yep, cirque de soleil is hiring. so if you ever wanted to run away > and join the circus, here's your chance. (but it's just for ushers, > tix, food, merch, etc.) Do they need any fluffers? -- Dlux ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Oct 10 20:12:16 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] butt of course! Message-ID: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> Lemon juice 'could stop Aids' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2318519.stm Australian scientists believe lemon juice could act as a cheap and effective birth control and help stop the spread of the deadly Aids disease. Reproductive scientist Roger Short, from the University of Melbourne, said laboratory tests have shown that lemon juice killed sperm and the HIV virus, which often develops into Aids. "Also, mate, when your bumhole is full of lemon juice, it hurts like hell to stick anything in there -- burns like blazes -- and that probably has an effect, too," Short said. He did not comment, however, about orange juice being applied to the dick or, as he said, "What I call me 'Short Roger.'" -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 10 21:51:02 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] butt of course! In-Reply-To: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021011045102.GE12174@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2318519.stm > > Australian scientists believe lemon juice could act as a cheap and > effective birth control and help stop the spread of the deadly Aids > disease. Also from that article: > Mr Short said he planned to carry out tests in the method in > Thailand [insert punchline here] -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 21:51:33 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021011045133.GF12174@zork.net> Okay kids. Get this through your thick fat skulls: THE PIRATE JOKE STOPPED BEING FUNNY *MONTHS* AGO. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- ahhr.it's.drivin'.me.nuts@pace.san-jose.ca.us has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Oct 10 21:56:56 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Damn puzzle pieces! Message-ID: <20021011045656.GG12174@zork.net> http://tastytronic.net/asciiweb/ Dammit, now I'm getting puzzle pieces in lynx, too! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkey at someplace.us Thu Oct 10 22:56:37 2002 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] butt of course! In-Reply-To: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <1034315797.1035.198814.camel@amory> On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 23:12, dep wrote: > Lemon juice 'could stop Aids' > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2318519.stm Austrians rediscover ancient birth-control method. Marketing slogans: "Lemons. They're not just for lemonade anymore!" "Lemons. The organic birth control." "A little acid for when you're not flaccid." -- Patent application 2544782410981: Citrus birth control device From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Oct 10 22:59:12 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] butt of course! In-Reply-To: <1034315797.1035.198814.camel@amory> References: <200210102312.16687.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1034315797.1035.198814.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021011055912.GD8035@zork.net> begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > Marketing slogans: > > "Lemons. They're not just for lemonade anymore!" > "Lemons. The organic birth control." > "A little acid for when you're not flaccid." Life gave me lemons, but no sugar. So I had wild monkeysex. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 11 00:40:07 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021011074007.GF8035@zork.net> Dear nemo, Please eat a dick. Thanks. Sincerely, The Internet ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- gar@nemo.house.cx has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 11 01:17:25 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I see it all now! Message-ID: <20021011081724.GH8035@zork.net> http://www.xenu.net/archive/scientology_illustrated/infl.gif I finally understand Scientology now! It's all about a GIF of a guy with a Hubbard[tm] brand face-hugger! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 11 07:18:42 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] monkeypants In-Reply-To: <20021010205843.GD24008@zork.net> References: <20021010205843.GD24008@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021011141842.GA1557@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from Josh Greenman ----- > > A SMUGGLER is facing up to a year's jail after hiding two MONKEYS > in his underpants on a 17-hour flight. > > Robert Cusack, 45, flew 8,200 miles from Thailand to Los Angeles > with the rare 10ins pygmy monkeys next to his crotch. > > Officials searched him after they opened his case and a tropical > bird flew out. Officials searched him after a metal detector indicated a MONKEY KNIFE FIGHT. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2m3cEACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1yoQCfT8AzAzUBs9UiZQPEh5l8D14V KLYAoOWMvBDwN6ML/CTK58A/wk+mZnR+ =H8X5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jordanb at hafd.org Fri Oct 11 08:08:19 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Nick Moffitt said: > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > gar@nemo.house.cx has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- What, no disparaging comments about his lack of procmail prowess? Man, Nemo always gets off easy. -- Jordan Bettis This message has been written using my webmail system. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 11 08:18:46 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> References: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20021011151846.GI8035@zork.net> begin Jordan Bettis quotation: > Man, Nemo always gets off easy. > > -- > Jordan Bettis > This message has been written using my webmail system. Maybe he'll have a proper fucking .sig delimiter. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Oct 11 10:12:08 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021011045133.GF12174@zork.net> References: <20021011045133.GF12174@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021011171208.GC23871@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:51:33PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Okay kids. Get this through your thick fat skulls: > > THE PIRATE JOKE STOPPED BEING FUNNY *MONTHS* AGO. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > ahhr.it's.drivin'.me.nuts@pace.san-jose.ca.us has been successfully > subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- That and these cockholes can't spell 'Arrr' right. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Oct 11 12:54:06 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft Message-ID: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A great argument for PGP over S/MIME: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS02-058.asp "Unchecked Buffer in Outlook Express S/MIME Parsing Could Enable System Compromise (Q328676)" - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2nLF0ACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1FTACbBguH7vnOj9B4KvT7I5YWoG4r Cc4Anj/52FPO9lHha/9e6LGETmJR33GC =lwrw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From adam at flounder.net Fri Oct 11 12:55:44 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:54:06PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > A great argument for PGP over S/MIME: ITYM GPG. HTH. HAND. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 13:21:15 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> (Adam McKenna's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2002 12:55:44 -0700") References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> Message-ID: <878z14hglg.fsf@pigdog.org> For those just starting in the world of trolling, here is an explanation of the acronyms Mr. McKenna used: AM> ITYM I Taste Your Musk. AM> GPG. Genuflecting, Penis Gargling. AM> HTH. How To Hasten? AM> HAND. Self-explanatory. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From adam at flounder.net Fri Oct 11 13:35:51 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <878z14hglg.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> <878z14hglg.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021011203551.GF20751@flounder.net> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 04:21:15PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > For those just starting in the world of trolling, here is an > explanation of the acronyms Mr. McKenna used: > > AM> ITYM > > I > Taste > Your > Musk. > > AM> GPG. > > Genuflecting, > Penis > Gargling. > > AM> HTH. > > How > To > Hasten? > > AM> HAND. > > Self-explanatory. > > ~Mr. Bad Thank you for the explanations Mr. Bad. I'm glad that we have someone on the list who is so well-versed in these procedures. -- Adam McKenna | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A From claviola at ax.net.br Fri Oct 11 13:29:18 2002 From: claviola at ax.net.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:55:44PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:54:06PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > A great argument for PGP over S/MIME: > > ITYM GPG. But AFAIK, GnuPG is GPL'd. That in itself is bad, as the GPL is virotic per se. -- Carlos Laviola AlterNex S/A - (21) 2515-0500 From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Oct 11 14:25:43 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011203551.GF20751@flounder.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Adam McKenna wrote: > Thank you for the explanations Mr. Bad. I'm glad that we have someone on > the list who is so well-versed in these procedures. Oh no! Mr. Bad, he has thwarted you with the dreaded "I know you are, but what am I" attack! You are so screwed. If I were you, I'd just give up right now, and go back to the Montreal Titty Bars. From sneakums at zork.net Fri Oct 11 14:35:26 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> (Carlos Laviola's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:29:18 -0300") References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <6ur8ew1wwx.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Carlos Laviola quotation: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 12:55:44PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:54:06PM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> > Hash: SHA1 >> > >> > A great argument for PGP over S/MIME: >> >> ITYM GPG. > > But AFAIK, GnuPG is GPL'd. That in itself is bad, as the GPL is virotic > per se. Yeah! Software should stay free because it *wants* to, not because it *has* to! -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 15:11:10 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: (#2 of Berkeley's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:25:43 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87zntkfwxt.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "#oB" == #2 of Berkeley writes: A> Thank you for the explanations Mr. Bad. I'm glad that we have A> someone on the list who is so well-versed in these procedures. #oB> Oh no! Mr. Bad, he has thwarted you with the dreaded "I know #oB> you are, but what am I" attack! You are so screwed. Yes. #oB> If I were you, I'd just give up right now, and go back to the #oB> Montreal Titty Bars. Yay! I'll take two of those chocolate-covered Montreal Frozen Titty Bars, s'il te pla?t! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Oct 11 15:25:40 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:44:42 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "sm" == Shawn McMahon writes: gjy> yet another reason to block ICMP inbound. yeah. never mind path MTU discovery. Nobody uses that anyway on the client side. PMTU is just an obscure protocol that web servers use to optimize the transmission speed of advertisements onto user's web-enabled desktops and Interweb appliances. so if you're not running a big enterprise server farm, you don't need ICMP at all. -- Another network-related Windows XP feature is that the TCP/IP stack supports IPv6 (in addition to IPv4), making Windows XP ready for changes as the Internet moves from 4-byte to 6-byte addresses. -- Microsoft publicity From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 15:59:55 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "11 Oct 2002 18:25:40 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> Message-ID: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> Another network-related Windows XP feature is that the MN> TCP/IP stack supports IPv6 (in addition to IPv4), making MN> Windows XP ready for changes as the Internet moves from 4-byte MN> to 6-byte addresses. Ha ha! Everyone knows IPv6 has 8-byte addresses. Man, IPv6 is like the Esperanto of Internet protocols. It's a good idea, but nobody wants to be the first one to implement it. And rabid mouth-frothers like me get all angry about that situation. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Fri Oct 11 16:31:11 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Director of Re-education) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-10-11 at 18:59, Mister Bad wrote: > Man, IPv6 is like the Esperanto of Internet protocols. It's a good > idea, but nobody wants to be the first one to implement it. And rabid > mouth-frothers like me get all angry about that situation. Silly rabbit, no one's using IPv6 because of this: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/killa6.html From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Oct 11 17:34:46 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:59:55 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> Message-ID: >>>>> "mb" == Mister Bad writes: >>>>> "dor" == Director of Re-education writes: mb> Man, IPv6 is like the Esperanto of Internet protocols. It's a mb> good idea, but nobody wants to be the first one to implement mb> it. I think it is Required for ``Enterprise IP Telephony'' or something. And Mobile IPv6 is not like Mobile IPv4 at all. also I think that toy smallscale-multicast ``XCAST'' stuff is all about the IPv6, but all those crazy guys are Korean, and I don't really understand how they think over there. have you seen those Mongolian warrior dudes on PBS late at night when it turns into the Korean channel? followed by soap operas like ``So this is Love'' and ``Sook-hee''. And lettuce is a utensil over there. so the shortsighted corporate wankers like McMahon will get forced into IPv6, fear not. The trick is making sure the Interweb gets destroyed in the process---I think certain ISPs like using NAT and musical addresses even when they don't have to. but, thank god for itojun and his KAME buddies, who have intentionally left NAT out of their stack. Let's see Cisco write something by hand for once, rather than stealing it from BSD or ``licensing'' it. I bet they can't do it. anyway, this is out-of-the-box: balthasar:~$ uname -a NetBSD balthasar 1.5ZC NetBSD 1.5ZC (BALTHASAR) #1: Mon Aug 5 02:26:09 PHT 2002 root@casey:/scratch/netbsd/src/sys/arch/hpcmips/compile/BALTHASAR hpcmips balthasar:~$ telnet ::1 Trying ::1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. login: Grovel before me, Linux plebes. of course it doesn't do anything useful with the outside world, except say ``no route to host'' any time you try to connect to something with an AAAA record. dor> djbdns/killa6.html oh, whatever. itojun always does the right thing. There's no need to post rants on these silly topics, because we can trust him. No, I'm serious. We can. Now that bitfield stuff in bind9 was hella cool though. too bad, that getting thrown out. -- The spanning tree computed in a region appears as a subtree in the CST that encompasses the entire switched domain. The CIST is formed as a result of the spanning-tree algorithm running between switches that support the 802.1W, 802.1S, and 802.1D protocols. The CIST inside an MST region is the same as the CST outside the region. Press RETURN to get started. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 19:26:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> (Director of Re-education's message of "11 Oct 2002 19:31:11 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> Message-ID: <87r8ew8k9u.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "DoR" == Director of Re-education writes: DoR> Silly rabbit, no one's using IPv6 because of this: DoR> http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/killa6.html Nobody's using it because it's hard for djb to figure out an algorithm for? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 19:40:14 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "11 Oct 2002 20:34:46 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> Message-ID: <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> I think it is Required for ``Enterprise IP Telephony'' or MN> something. And Mobile IPv6 is not like Mobile IPv4 at all. I think it's just required because we don't have enough IPv4 addresses, since there are 6 billion people on this planet, and each of us has two computers at home and three at work. So it just adds up to TOO MANY COMPUTERS. Things were so much easier back when we used 16-bit computers, because then you could use one 32-bit IP address and share it between two of them. Modern hardware is so piggish. Anyways, I think it's a shame that people give their computers fake identities. Using 10-net addresses is just an insult to a computer. It's humiliating. It's like when corpos name their assets something like "pc10448" or something. How can you expect a computer to do anything when it's denied a unique identity? They'll have no self-esteem. They'll mope. They'll be hopelessly useless. They will be unfit partners in one's digital artistry. Giving a computer a bunged-up address is criminal. MN> And lettuce is a utensil over there. Did you know that Koreans eat babies? Or something like that. Brigitte Bardot keeps trying to get them to stop, but the Koreans can't get enough of the great taste of roast infant. Look it up if you don't believe me. MN> so the shortsighted corporate wankers like McMahon will get MN> forced into IPv6, fear not. ha ha pain for Shawn McMahon. I like this IPv6 already. MN> Let's see Cisco write something by hand for once, rather than MN> stealing it from BSD or ``licensing'' it. ha ha BSD license. MN> anyway, this is out-of-the-box: MN> balthasar:~$ uname -a NetBSD balthasar 1.5ZC NetBSD 1.5ZC MN> (BALTHASAR) #1: Mon Aug 5 02:26:09 PHT 2002 MN> root@casey:/scratch/netbsd/src/sys/arch/hpcmips/compile/BALTHASAR MN> hpcmips balthasar:~$ telnet ::1 Trying ::1... Connected to MN> localhost. Escape character is '^]'. login: MN> Grovel before me, Linux plebes. What? We have IPv6. I think. I've never tried it. But it's there. We have an Esperanto HOWTO, also. Hey, so, what are you going to do when you get a fourth computer? Or are your other ones named justine and mountolive rather than gaspar and melchoir? You've still got a limited name space. I'm concerned. dor> djbdns/killa6.html MN> oh, whatever. itojun always does the right thing. There's no MN> need to post rants on these silly topics, because we can trust MN> him. No, I'm serious. We can. I think we also need to block urls that contain "cr.yp.to" in them. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 11 19:44:19 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:40:14 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <87it088jgc.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MB" == Mister Bad writes: MB> Hey, so, what are you going to do when you get a fourth MB> computer? Note: fourth, not FORTH. I'm sure he could figure out what to do with a FORTH computer. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jeremym at loonix.org Fri Oct 11 19:49:19 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021012024919.GA15792@pug.chroot.net> On Fri Oct 11, 2002 at 10:40:14PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > I think we also need to block urls that contain "cr.yp.to" in them. But then how are we going to get our daily dose of Bernstein v. United States? http://cr.yp.to/export.html Also: http://www.engrish.com/signs/source/worldofpain.html -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Oct 11 20:58:19 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature Message-ID: <200210112358.20071.dep@linuxandmain.com> Members of the Marin Mammal Center, a fantastic organization made up mostly of volunteers, recently were part of a chartered nature trip on one of the local party boats. They brought two sea lion pups, which were to be released into the ocean at the Farallon Islands. Beautiful, calm day, and the skipper pulled up to the islands between the southeast anchorage buoy and the hoist. The first seal went into the water and swam a little ways from the boat. Then the second. Then the skipper and about everyone else saw the shark -- great white, big, 17 to 18 feet -- slide out from under the boat and come up under the sea lion that had just been released. A swirl, a splash, the pup was gone. Next thing they saw was a slight disturbance just under the ocean surface, on a beeline for the first sea lion. Swirl. Splash. Not so much as a stain left on the water. The folks on the boat, naturally, were horrified. The shark, naturally, was doing only what sharks do. The skipper: "I've been running these trips for years, and this is the first time it's happened. It was very unfortunate, but that shark was in the right place at the right time. I guess." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2002/10/10/SP67482.DTL -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Oct 11 21:36:38 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <878z14hglg.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> <878z14hglg.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021012043638.GC2180@perkypants.org> > AM> HAND. > > Self-explanatory. Orange. - Jeff -- There's no horse higher, no mailing list taunt lower, no developer base wider. Rock My Software in the Bosom of Debian. From bker at yage.net Sat Oct 12 02:17:25 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature Message-ID: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 11:58:19PM -0400, dep@linuxandmain.com wrote: > Members of the Marin Mammal Center, a fantastic organization made up > mostly of volunteers, recently were part of a chartered nature trip > on one of the local party boats. They brought...blah blah blah etc I don't see what this has to do with the KDE League. From henrik at enberg.org Sat Oct 12 05:07:46 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> (bker@yage.net's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 05:17:25 -0400") References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87adljq2r1.fsf@enberg.org> bker@yage.net writes: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 11:58:19PM -0400, dep@linuxandmain.com wrote: > >> Members of the Marin Mammal Center, a fantastic organization made up >> mostly of volunteers, recently were part of a chartered nature trip >> on one of the local party boats. They brought...blah blah blah etc > > I don't see what this has to do with the KDE League. Maybe they too are Nazis. I hear dep is an expert on the subject. And by the way, Isn't mutt supposed to be some kind of elite MUA for badass people? Where's your reference header? -- Yo mama's so poor, even the republicans were willing to give her welfare. From bker at yage.net Sat Oct 12 06:18:34 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:11 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: when humans try to manipulate nature Message-ID: <20021012131834.GA9126@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:07:46PM +0200, Henrik Enberg wrote: > And by the way, Isn't mutt supposed to be some kind of elite MUA for > badass people? Where's your reference header? The elite don't need reference headers. We follow threads implicitly. From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 12 06:18:10 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210120918.10498.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin bker@yage.net's quote: | I don't see what this has to do with the KDE League. the real question is finding out what the kde league has to do with the kde league. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 12 06:21:08 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin bker@yage.net's quote: | On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 11:58:19PM -0400, dep@linuxandmain.com wrote: | > Members of the Marin Mammal Center, a fantastic organization made | > up mostly of volunteers, recently were part of a chartered nature | > trip on one of the local party boats. They brought...blah blah | > blah etc | | I don't see what this has to do with the KDE League. though, now that you mention it: people paid money to aid something they support, only to have it get eaten. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From bker at yage.net Sat Oct 12 06:31:20 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 09:21:08AM -0400, dep wrote: > though, now that you mention it: people paid money to aid something > they support, only to have it get eaten. Somebody ate KDE? From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Oct 12 06:32:28 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> Message-ID: <20021012133228.GA27568@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > > But AFAIK, GnuPG is GPL'd. That in itself is bad, as the GPL is virotic > per se. Nice troll, but next time edit out your Mutt header first. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2oJGwACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1hAQCeI7ImsV4U831QhVliygL1CG2f KhYAoK4wRH1PLLhRQ/OFGg6L6t6Mtmlt =zmrH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Oct 12 06:41:57 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021012134157.GC27568@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Miles Nordin quotation: > > so the shortsighted corporate wankers like McMahon will get forced > into IPv6, fear not. The trick is making sure the Interweb gets Don't look at me; we're big enough to demand far more IPv4 address space than we could ever use. And you better give it to us if you want your packages absolutely positively delivered on time. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2oJqUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0q4QCeLU4XxqH1gltRtWZIN+eCPLuU fKAAn1AYy5mLZROACl036zHgnXITOWa9 =0npe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat Oct 12 06:43:07 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012024919.GA15792@pug.chroot.net> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012024919.GA15792@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <20021012134307.GD27568@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jeremy McLeod quotation: > > But then how are we going to get our daily dose of Bernstein v. United > States? Slashdot is over there ------------------------------> - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2oJusACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2GMwCfY4kilu5OT0HBh4mH7dxieeCK ckYAoIAlZevzji9XPXhdZIIhgbutydBH =KZ3r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at enberg.org Sat Oct 12 06:54:08 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> (bker@yage.net's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:31:20 -0400") References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87k7knkbjz.fsf@enberg.org> bker@yage.net writes: > Somebody ate KDE? The most fattening substance known to man. -- Yo mama's so fat, her car is made of spandex. From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 12 07:02:56 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin bker@yage.net's quote: | Somebody ate KDE? no. the relationship between the kde league and kde is, um, murky. but the two certainly do not coincide. what did happen is that a lot of money was paid to the kde league with no apparent effect, and the kde league won't say what happened to it. this is not to allege wrongdoing, though some things there are certainly screwy. example: the chairman of the kde league says this: "the League is not a non-profit but rather a not-for-profit and hence need not file the forms," (the forms being the 990s that describe how much money it took in and what, in general terms, it did with it). the bylaws of the kde league say this: "The name of this non-profit corporation is the International KDE League, Inc." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From jv at zork.net Sat Oct 12 08:12:19 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: !All-One (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] butt of course!) Message-ID: <20021012151219.GB31040@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from dep ----- Lemon juice 'could stop Aids' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2318519.stm [...] ----- End forwarded message ----- When a travelling companion & I visited with Dr. Bronner, mid-way through an afternoon's conversation he allowed that he'd adapted a centuries-old birth-control -- lemon juice -- to modern use. -jv... T-Ball-4-R From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Oct 12 11:22:23 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Playing catch-up with this wacky list: On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 08:34:46PM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > but, thank god for itojun and his KAME buddies, who have > intentionally left NAT out of their stack. Rock on NetBSD. > Grovel before me, Linux plebes. Damn straight. Speaking of NetBSD, Niels Provos is now a NetBSD developer! Woo-hoo. (Did he quit OpenBSD?) -- Bob Bernstein From sneakums at zork.net Sat Oct 12 11:25:38 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:22:23 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > Damn straight. Speaking of NetBSD, Niels Provos is now a NetBSD > developer! Woo-hoo. (Did he quit OpenBSD?) It's all the goddamn same anyway. Half of the commits to any given BSD tree is stuff they copied from one of the others. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 12 11:38:05 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:25:38 +0100") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> It's all the goddamn same anyway. Half of the commits to any SN> given BSD tree is stuff they copied from one of the others. Have you heard the legend of the "Flying Dutchman Patch"? An eery, doomed commit that forever circles between FreeBSD, OpenBSD, BSDI and NetBSD, never knowing peace? It is the stuff of BSD legends. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Oct 12 11:46:41 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 07:25:38PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > It's all the goddamn same anyway. Half of the commits to any given > BSD tree is stuff they copied from one of the others. A tad oversimplified methinks. For one thing, to a large extent FreeBSD stands outside the NetBSD/OpenBSD code-sharing club, or at least that is my untutored impression. For another, the sharing is more, I believe, on the hardware driver end of things, not, as noted by the esteemed Mr. Nordin, on, say, the networking end of things. Nevertheless, the addition of Provos, and Steve Bellovin also, to the NetBSD security team, helps put to rest, once again, the myth that OpenBSD has cornered the security market. On the other hand it's great to see Theo in action lately, wrt to this stupid Sun OpenSSL patent nonsense. Rock on Theo! -- Bob Bernstein From magnus at bodin.org Sat Oct 12 11:55:13 2002 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20021012185513.GE27910@bodin.org> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:46:41PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > On the other hand it's great to see Theo in action lately, wrt to this > stupid Sun OpenSSL patent nonsense. Rock on Theo! Theo is to the BSD-license as D J Bernstein is to nonsense-license. /magnus -- http://x42.com/ From montaigne at att.net Sat Oct 12 12:30:19 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:38:05PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > It is the stuff of BSD legends. HEY! I thought you were going into rehab! But here you are, compulsively jumping into threads you know absolutely NOTHING about, a sure sign of yet more Posting-Under-The-Influence. -- montaigne From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 12 12:38:44 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 15:30:19 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> Message-ID: <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: Me> It is the stuff of BSD legends. MdM> HEY! I thought you were going into rehab! Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? MdM> But here you are, compulsively jumping into threads you know MdM> absolutely NOTHING about, Because this is *my* list. All things that past beneath my nose are subject to my comment. Get used to it or get the fuck out. Anyways, I'm stung that you think I'm not sufficiently versed in the subject. If you in your infinite experience have more information on the Legend of the Flying Dutchman Patch, I'd be happy to hear it. But don't try to give me that bullshit about it having a hook on its FOOT, because that's just crap. MdM> a sure sign of yet more Posting-Under-The-Influence. I *wish*. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From montaigne at att.net Sat Oct 12 13:45:24 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 03:38:44PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? "All seems infected that th' infected spy, As all seems yellow to the jaundiced eye." Left as an exercise for the reader: identify the author and work cited. Google not permitted. Neatness counts. > Because this is *my* list. All things that past beneath my nose are > subject to my comment. Get used to it or get the fuck out. This is getting really bad (sic). You sound like one of the slashdot nitwits trolling for acceptance. 'Your' list. Yeah right. > Anyways, I'm stung that you think I'm not sufficiently versed in the > subject. If you in your infinite experience have more information on > the Legend of the Flying Dutchman Patch, I'd be happy to hear it. But > don't try to give me that bullshit about it having a hook on its FOOT, > because that's just crap. Typical. You took an interesting thread, about which you knew nothing, and turned it into something boring, about which you and only you know (or care) anything. Go back to your pigdog slums, Linux feeb. -- montaigne From inkblot at movealong.org Sat Oct 12 14:47:26 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> References: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> Just now Michel de Montaigne made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 03:38:44PM -0400, Mister Bad wrote: > > > Is that supposed to be some kind of insult? > > "All seems infected that th' infected spy, > As all seems yellow to the jaundiced eye." > > Left as an exercise for the reader: identify the author and work cited. > Google not permitted. Neatness counts. Answers a question with an obscure quote and no real answer: 3 points. > > Because this is *my* list. All things that past beneath my nose are > > subject to my comment. Get used to it or get the fuck out. > > This is getting really bad (sic). You sound like one of the > slashdot nitwits trolling for acceptance. 'Your' list. Yeah right. Jadedness: 2 points > > Anyways, I'm stung that you think I'm not sufficiently versed in the > > subject. If you in your infinite experience have more information on > > the Legend of the Flying Dutchman Patch, I'd be happy to hear it. But > > don't try to give me that bullshit about it having a hook on its FOOT, > > because that's just crap. > > Typical. You took an interesting thread, about which you knew nothing, and > turned it into something boring, about which you and only you know (or > care) anything. Go back to your pigdog slums, Linux feeb. Very mildly caustic personal attack: -1 STFU: 3 Total score: 7 X-Plonk-Flag: YES -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 12 15:03:14 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:45:24 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87y99371st.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: Me> Because this is *my* list. All things that past beneath my nose Me> are subject to my comment. MdM> 'Your' list. Yeah right. If it's not my list, _why_ do I have all these messages on my hard drive? Riddle me this, Mr. Riddle Man! MdM> You took an interesting thread, about which you knew nothing, MdM> and turned it into something boring, about which you and only MdM> you know (or care) anything. You're absolutely right! I concede! I spoiled a thread you obviously cared deeply about and made it into something bad and wrong. I pooped on the birthday cake! Just for a cheap and empty laugh. It was entirely irresponsible and reckless of me, and probably symptomatic of deeper psychic unhealth. I have some important and difficult soul-searching to do, believe you me. As a token of my profound regret, here is a pretty ASCII flower to help you turn that injured frown upside-down: \|/ -o- /|\ / \ \ Buck up, little fella! Everything's gonna be OK. HTH. HAND. HLUAGLHAGLAGH. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From montaigne at att.net Sat Oct 12 18:41:02 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> References: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 04:47:26PM -0500, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > > "All seems infected that th' infected spy, > > As all seems yellow to the jaundiced eye." > Answers a question with an obscure quote and no real answer: 3 points. _That_ is not "obscure." (Pope's 'Essay on Criticism'. Duh.) _This_ is "obscure": "On its [West Wales] tin-bearing moorlands and beside its woody streams running down to coves of the rocks, a race of local saints unknown to the rest of Christendom lived their lives and left their names to the villages of Cornwall, memorials of those stirring times when British civilization perished and British Christianity found creative vigour under the ribs of death." Ah...the ribs of death. Mmmm. -- montaigne From henrik at enberg.org Sat Oct 12 18:54:18 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:41:02 -0400") References: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <87r8ev9k8l.fsf@enberg.org> Michel de Montaigne writes: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 04:47:26PM -0500, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > >> Answers a question with an obscure quote and no real answer: 3 points. > > _That_ is not "obscure." (Pope's 'Essay on Criticism'. Duh.) > > _This_ is "obscure": > > "On its [West Wales] tin-bearing moorlands and beside its woody streams > running... Ohhh, the troll can read books. I'm like, really impressed. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she sold the house to pay the mortgage. From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Oct 13 06:18:31 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin dep quotation: > > the chairman of the kde league says this: "the League is not a > non-profit but rather a not-for-profit and hence need not file the > forms," (the forms being the 990s that describe how much money it > took in and what, in general terms, it did with it). > > the bylaws of the kde league say this: "The name of this non-profit > corporation is the International KDE League, Inc." Contact their PR firm and ask for a copy of their incorporation papers. That'll resolve the question real fast. They are putting "incorporated" after their name, so they're either registered as some kind of corporation or they're lying, and lying to solicit donations ain't kosher in the US. Dunno about Norway. You probably can't get them for accepting donations in the US since they're using PayPal (and thus, you're paying PayPal, and PayPal is paying them through their bank presumably in Norway), and God knows nobody in his right mind wants you TRYING to extend the US government's power in that direction, but those incorporation papers will be very enlightening, if they exist. Oh, and I am not a lawyer, so none of this should be construed as legal advice, but instead as points of discussion to use should you contact an attorney. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2pcqcACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3HeQCgy/ZgrsuXDiR51oKnYBLA1XCC vGcAoIM0g6YPxh3NuIXR42YZZ7lymUlj =b0v9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Oct 13 06:25:14 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> Message-ID: <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > On the other hand it's great to see Theo in action lately, wrt to this > stupid Sun OpenSSL patent nonsense. Rock on Theo! Oh, when you started that sentence, I thought you were going to finish it with "wrt his running an unpatched BitchX on the CVS server and infecting it with a trojan that got into their OpenSSH distribution". BTW, "wrt to" is redundant. HTH helps. HAND day. GTFOML list. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2pdDkACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3pkQCgr7SP65+iVxfG2VKyuuIyrq2h OrIAn37HQdNXtX4319ZKu8N74k0D1ZSu =u4nx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Oct 13 06:41:55 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200210130941.55500.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote: | Contact their PR firm and ask for a copy of their incorporation | papers. That'll resolve the question real fast. i already have them -- not from them, but from the delaware div. of corporations. | They are putting "incorporated" after their name, so they're | either registered as some kind of corporation or they're lying, and | lying to solicit donations ain't kosher in the US. Dunno about | Norway. they're registered as a corporation, for sure. at issue is *what kind* of corporation. they claim to be a plain old corporation and that therefore they need not disclose anything about why money pours in but nothing much comes out. but delaware has them as having been granted federal tax-exempt status. except that the irs says nope, no tax-exempt status for them. it's extremely screwy. | You probably can't get them for accepting donations in the US since | they're using PayPal (and thus, you're paying PayPal, and PayPal is | paying them through their bank presumably in Norway), and God knows | nobody in his right mind wants you TRYING to extend the US | government's power in that direction, but those incorporation | papers will be very enlightening, if they exist. no, the acceptance of donations wouldn't be a problem in any case, unless they were claiming that the deductions are charitable and therefore deductable under 501(c)(3) of the tax code, which so far as i can tell they are not claiming. norway doesn't figure in at all; what does figure in is germany, because the bylaws give control of the board to the german kde nonprofit, as defined by german law, that is a more official governing body of kde. and which doesn't figure all that much into the situation, in that the lde league corporation is registered in delaware, not germany. | Oh, and I am not a lawyer, so none of this should be construed as | legal advice, but instead as points of discussion to use should you | contact an attorney. thanks. i've been talking to lawyers all over the place, many of whom are scratching their heads -- one usually tries to claim to be a nonprofit when the corporation isn't, rather than the other way round, which offers as its apparent lone advantage nondisclosure of how much money is involved and what's being done with it. really strange. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From bker at yage.net Sun Oct 13 07:15:02 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <200210130941.55500.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> <200210130941.55500.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021013141502.GC9126@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 09:41:55AM -0400, dep wrote: > except that the irs says nope, no > tax-exempt status for them. it's extremely screwy. From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Oct 13 07:26:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:12 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021013141502.GC9126@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210130941.55500.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021013141502.GC9126@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210131026.07139.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin bker@yage.net's quote: | From what I gathered from that OfB story, the IRS never actually | *said* that they weren't tax-exempt, the `reporters' just couldn't | find the league listed in the online IRS nonprofit database. yeah. problem is that that database is no longer maintained. even the irs itself encourages people to look elsewhere. so i phoned the irs. which is a fairly hellish experience as government agency press offices go, but it can be done, if one has sufficient patience and can keep control of one's frustration. and the irs says nope, no tax exempt. what they will not say is whether an organization ever applied for tax exemption. which is a semi-interesting eddy in the stream of things, but the main channel has to do with what's happening to the money. we're talking a couple hundred grand here, if internal kde league documents are to be believed. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From henrik at enberg.org Sun Oct 13 07:28:01 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:25:14 -0400") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> Message-ID: <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> Shawn McMahon writes: > BTW, "wrt to" is redundant. > > GTFOML list. ^^^^ And the above isn't? -- Yo mama's so hairy, her breasts look like coconuts. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 13 07:43:51 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 09:18:31 -0400") References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87zntiqtzs.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> Oh, and I am not a lawyer, so none of this should be construed SM> as legal advice, but instead as points of discussion to use SM> should you contact an attorney. Ha ha, McMahon! Nice try, but I'm going to take your legal advice ANYWAYS! And then I'm going to get ROYALLY SCREWED, and then I'm going to come back and sue you! And make a jillion billion dollars! And you'll go to jail for practicing law without a license! Har de har har! You are in big trouble now! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 13 07:48:02 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:28:01 +0200") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <87vg46qtst.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "HE" == Henrik Enberg writes: SM> BTW, "wrt to" is redundant. SM> GTFOML list. HE> ^^^^ HE> And the above isn't? God, Enberg, you've got a _LIGHTNING_ _QUICK_ eye. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From montaigne at att.net Sun Oct 13 08:05:57 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021013150556.GC190@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 04:28:01PM +0200, Henrik Enberg wrote: > > BTW, "wrt to" is redundant. > > > > GTFOML list. LIsten Smithers; the mirthless laughter of the damned, and of the redundancy-prone. Release the hounds. -- montaigne From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Oct 13 09:55:21 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: <87zntiqtzs.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021012091725.GA11077@localhost.localdomain> <200210120921.08648.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021012133120.GB9126@localhost.localdomain> <200210120940.39849.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021013131831.GB6492@eiv.com> <87zntiqtzs.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021013165520.GC7194@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > And you'll go to jail for practicing law without a license! Har de har > har! You are in big trouble now! Curses! You are such a bad person, Mr. Bad. You're so bad, I bet you speak Esperanto. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2ppXgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2TrQCfdCBYPlfUWAmSlAzbtm/NVTqL XsIAnRrLogtPJM+Da78clGu9T45XlvYm =EO+K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 13 10:06:24 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 16:28:01 +0200") References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20021012184641.GB899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <20021013132514.GC6492@eiv.com> <8765w6o1la.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "he" == Henrik Enberg writes: sm> GTFOML list. he> ^^^^ he> And the above isn't? this is just like quake. The trolls are trolling each other. It's kind of, temporarily amusing, but not very interesting once you see it happen once. -- Everyone already know that Theo lame, but few realize that he also is just asshole. . . -- #phrack From smcmahon at eiv.com Sun Oct 13 11:55:07 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Microsoft vs. MPAA Message-ID: <20021013185507.GA7711@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/3356074.html "The company drew catcalls from reviewers recently with a new version of its operating system, dubbed Windows XP Media Center edition. The software was designed to enable consumers with specially equipped computers to make digital recordings of TV shows, but it automatically slapped all recordings with electronic locks. Stung by criticism, Microsoft agreed to apply the locks more sparingly and implement one of the standard copy-protection techniques used by Hollywood. But the change has quickly peeved studios because it may let consumers record premium programs such as pay-per-view movies in violation of built-in copyright protections." Boo hoo, poor MPAA. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2pwYoACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2YywCfQXfB5aUNr5uszXdyJK5rrU+g D5cAoMz7ypnxjjggpCNb35b6RLl7tkE0 =VCzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From paul at 2bet.co.uk Sun Oct 13 12:38:30 2002 From: paul at 2bet.co.uk (Paul M) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> References: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <1034537910.1389.27.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 02:41, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > "On its [West Wales] tin-bearing moorlands and beside its woody streams ^^^^^^^^^^ > of Cornwall, memorials of those stirring times when British civilization ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ ITYM Kernow HTH HAND Paul M -- 'We don't want anything unusual' the manager said firmly, if without immediate reference. Grandaddy errupted 'Well that really narrows the sh*t out of your life, don't it?' Fup Jim Dodge From danny at spesh.com Sun Oct 13 12:56:56 2002 From: danny at spesh.com (Danny O'Brien) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties Message-ID: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=1153 On Thurs., Oct. 10, pirates raided the Jonathan Edwards Master's house to disrupt a Master's Tea with Joel Flatow, JE '86, senior vice-president of artist and industry relations for the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA). Shortly before the tea began, the "Men of JE," disguised as "music pirates," marched into the room, brandishing plastic swords and shouting "Argh!" They also distributed burned music CDs with a mix of hits by popular artists including Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, Outkast, and the Beatles, as well as many illegal remixes by oft-sued prankster Freelance Hellraiser. From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 13 13:16:55 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties In-Reply-To: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com>; from danny@spesh.com on Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:56:56PM -0700 References: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> Message-ID: <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:56:56PM -0700, Danny O'Brien wrote: > pirates raided the Jonathan Edwards Master's house > to disrupt a Master's Tea with Joel Flatow, [RIAA] bra-vo. An exceptional first post, my good fellow. seriously. I will buy you a stiff single-malt Scotch at our next FNICNAM, like the boys did to celebrate after your Daddy brought you that fine Romanian whore on your fifteenth birthday. From sneakums at zork.net Sun Oct 13 13:27:51 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties In-Reply-To: <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> (Miles Nordin's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:16:55 -0600") References: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <6ufzvayth4.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Miles Nordin quotation: > On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 12:56:56PM -0700, Danny O'Brien wrote: >> pirates raided the Jonathan Edwards Master's house >> to disrupt a Master's Tea with Joel Flatow, [RIAA] > > bra-vo. An exceptional first post, my good fellow. seriously. I love it when the newbies accidentally show their stripes like this. Kind sir, that was far from Mr. O'Brien's first post. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From montaigne at att.net Sun Oct 13 13:30:25 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <1034537910.1389.27.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> References: <20021012182223.GA899@bernstein.providence.ri.us> <6u65w71plp.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87bs5z8pv6.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012193019.GA341@foopie.ruptured-duck.com> <877kgn8n23.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021012204524.GA190@localhost.localdomain> <20021012214726.GA13859@movealong.org> <20021013014102.GB190@localhost.localdomain> <1034537910.1389.27.camel@promethia.2bet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20021013203025.GD190@localhost.localdomain> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 08:38:30PM +0100, Paul M wrote: > > "On its [West Wales] tin-bearing moorlands and beside its woody streams > > of Cornwall, memorials of those stirring times when British civilization > ITYM Kernow HTH HAND Paul, please pay attention. When I post a citation to illustrate the meaning of the term "obscure," I certainly post something by an author other than myself. So, when you say, "ITYM," there is no "You" here yet identified. Your zealous advocacy of local politics is admirable, but your attempt to correct my author are rather hamhanded. Why not set about to identify said author? Best, -- montaigne From carlos at laviola.org Sun Oct 13 11:31:02 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021012133228.GA27568@eiv.com> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021011195544.GD20751@flounder.net> <20021011202918.GB27467@alternex.com.br> <20021012133228.GA27568@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021013183102.GA4863@laviola.org> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 09:32:28AM -0400, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > > > > But AFAIK, GnuPG is GPL'd. That in itself is bad, as the GPL is virotic > > per se. > > Nice troll, but next time edit out your Mutt header first. Man, mutt is GPL'd??? That's it, I say! Back to pine! -- Carlos Laviola From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Oct 13 17:35:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties In-Reply-To: <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> (Miles Nordin's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:16:55 -0600") References: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <877kglrh64.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> bra-vo. An exceptional first post, my good fellow. MN> seriously. Nordin, you credulous boob. Mr. O'Brien has been on Crackmonkey since it was just a proto-Cracklemur. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun Oct 13 18:30:36 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: when humans try to manipulate nature In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:18:34 EDT." <20021012131834.GA9126@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021012131834.GA9126@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <200210140130.g9E1UalS018644@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 09:18:34 EDT, bker@yage.net said: > On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:07:46PM +0200, Henrik Enberg wrote: > > > And by the way, Isn't mutt supposed to be some kind of elite MUA for > > badass people? Where's your reference header? > > The elite don't need reference headers. We follow threads implicitly. Ain't much choice, with the lack of support for the Will-Be-Referenced-By: header to support reverse chronological threading. The RFC will be out soon... From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 13 18:30:34 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties In-Reply-To: <877kglrh64.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:35:31 -0400") References: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> <877kglrh64.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "bad" == Mister Bad writes: bad> Mr. O'Brien has been on Crackmonkey since it was just a bad> proto-Cracklemur. No. I've been on it about half a year longer than he has. but that doesn't excuse my mistake. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Oct 13 18:30:34 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] keel-haul the RIAA-lubber off campus, me hearties In-Reply-To: <877kglrh64.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:35:31 -0400") References: <20021013195656.GA9287@spesh.com> <20021013141655.A27382@sakima.ivy.net> <877kglrh64.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "bad" == Mister Bad writes: bad> Mr. O'Brien has been on Crackmonkey since it was just a bad> proto-Cracklemur. No. I've been on it about half a year longer than he has. but that doesn't excuse my mistake. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From nick at zork.net Sun Oct 13 18:58:37 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021014015837.GL8035@zork.net> Subscriber one should learn procmail and the correct pronunciation of "Maori". Subscriber two is ha ha zwallet! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- roblevinshouldgetalife@johns.org.nz has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. stetdadee@zwallet.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From gar at nemo.house.cx Fri Oct 11 19:17:33 2002 From: gar at nemo.house.cx (Nemo - earth native) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> References: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:08:19AM -0500, Jordan Bettis did utter: > Man, Nemo always gets off easy. You don't want to know what it takes to get me off. hi. -- .sig missing. If found, return to signature@nemo.house.cx From jordanb at hafd.org Mon Oct 14 10:07:41 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> References: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> Message-ID: <20021014170741.GA6269@hafd.org> On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 12:17:33PM +1000, Nemo - earth native wrote: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:08:19AM -0500, Jordan Bettis did utter: > > Man, Nemo always gets off easy. > > You don't want to know what it takes to get me off. Um. Ok By the way, thanks a lot for making sure to send me a copy as well as the list. I never read the list so I won't see replies to my posts on it unless you cc them to me as well. -- Jordan Bettis KDE transcends mere twit-hood, and belongs elsewhere. -- Valdis Kletnieks From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Oct 14 10:29:30 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> References: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> Message-ID: <20021014172930.GA2972@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Nemo - earth native quotation: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:08:19AM -0500, Jordan Bettis did utter: > > Man, Nemo always gets off easy. > > You don't want to know what it takes to get me off. Dude! There's a zombie behind you RIGHT NOW! I'm totally not kidding! - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9qv75jLHcIq3dHxYRAo3+AJ479qBj6m5D4GR+F1MUHfj9dQ2emQCfeW2p EulJp+oUgoX2QRRl9V73Ce0= =8/B6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Mon Oct 14 21:30:49 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021015043048.GD8035@zork.net> GET PAID FOR EVERY E-MAIL YOU READ! MAKE MONEY FAST USING ONLY E-MAIL! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- domigirl@zwallet.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From schoen at loyalty.org Mon Oct 14 22:47:28 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates Message-ID: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000148.html The political dialog today is that the general purpose computer is a threat, not only to copyright but to our entire future. "Eat low on the food chain, code low on the Chomsky hierarchy." -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From sharkey at zoic.org Mon Oct 14 23:25:50 2002 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Precedent! In-Reply-To: <20021010021657.GA4127@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 07:16:57PM -0700 References: <20021010021657.GA4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015162549.A24912@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 07:16:57PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Dave Gross ----- > To summarize: > > Daniel Pratt wandered incessantly, lecturing about "The Four > Kingdoms" and "The Solar System," obsessing about U.S. > presidents and complaining about being deprived of his > fairly-won fame by the powers-that-be. He was characterized > by his incoherent speech and his made-up words, sometimes > formed by what appeared to be squishing other words together > haphazardly or with a method known only to him. Why wander in the real world, when you can just wander the world's mailing lists making shit up? http://google.com/search?q=jim+fleming+kook vs http://google.com/search?q=jim+fleming+unir newgroup alt.fan.jim-fleming ! -----sharks From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Oct 15 06:23:58 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021014172930.GA2972@8ball.wox.org> (Citizen Hicks's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2002 12:29:30 -0500") References: <19823.163.191.47.234.1034348899.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> <20021012021733.GB7071@nut.house.cx> <20021014172930.GA2972@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <87of9vkf81.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "CH" == Citizen Hicks writes: CH> Dude! There's a zombie behind you RIGHT NOW! I'm totally not CH> kidding! Har! TIAZBYRN meme! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Oct 15 07:35:47 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1449.163.191.47.231.1034692547.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Mister Bad said: >>>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: > > MN> Another network-related Windows XP feature is that the > MN> TCP/IP stack supports IPv6 (in addition to IPv4), making > MN> Windows XP ready for changes as the Internet moves from 4-byte > MN> to 6-byte addresses. > > Ha ha! Everyone knows IPv6 has 8-byte addresses. The IETF gave IPv6 a 8-byte address because they knew we'd all be using computers with 128bit ints by the time it got implemented. -- Jordan Bettis This message has been written using my webmail system. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Oct 15 08:28:33 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:35:47 CDT." <1449.163.191.47.231.1034692547.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1449.163.191.47.231.1034692547.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Message-ID: <200210151528.g9FFSX4N006732@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:35:47 CDT, Jordan Bettis said: > The IETF gave IPv6 a 8-byte address because they knew we'd all be using > computers with 128bit ints by the time it got implemented. Hmm.. you must be on one of those computers that made old RFC's use the term 'octets' rather than 'bytes'.... From niels=cm at bakker.net Tue Oct 15 08:36:11 2002 From: niels=cm at bakker.net (Niels Bakker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/pcworld/20021014/tc_pcworld/105924&e=4 | Microsoft Gives Peek at Outlook 11 Among the several important new features that have been added to version 11 are: - - the capability to cache messages locally will let Outlook users continue to access their e-mail after a server crashes. - - the Outlook 11 user interface moves the incoming message window from the bottom of the screen to a column in the center that provides a screen-length view of messages. - - new capabilities for sorting messages by size should make it easier for Outlook users to keep their in-boxes from filling up... deleting large messages will be a more intuitive process in Outlook 11. The new version of Exchange is apparently codenamed Titanium. This is probably a wordplay on the skulls of the programmers working on the software at Redmond. Ha ha Microsoft indeed. -- Niels. - -- "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQE9rDXrr7WIsA3LmMURAoo8AKC/5Qu9Hm20qF97SAIppSrKoOyY6ACghnqN 9AI7D5hQeHgoqRSesdmxwi8= =aIAC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Tue Oct 15 08:48:56 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> Message-ID: <1034696936.1536.117567.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-10-15 at 11:36, Niels Bakker wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/pcworld/20021014/tc_pcworld/105924&e=4 > | Microsoft Gives Peek at Outlook 11 > > Among the several important new features that have been added to version > 11 are: begin I_bet_they_didn't_fix_this_bullshit_message One can only assume, that as usual these "features" took priority over fixing the bugs in Outlook, some of which are over five years old now. end From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Oct 15 09:02:30 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> Message-ID: <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> Just now Niels Bakker made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/pcworld/20021014/tc_pcworld/105924&e=4 > | Microsoft Gives Peek at Outlook 11 > > Among the several important new features that have been added to version > 11 are: > > - - the capability to cache messages locally will let Outlook users > continue to access their e-mail after a server crashes. YEAH! LET'S ALL SNEER! SNEER! SNEER! SNEER! > - - the Outlook 11 user interface moves the incoming message window from > the bottom of the screen to a column in the center that provides a > screen-length view of messages. No doubt the product of exhaustive human factors analysis. More than you could muster, I imagine. > - - new capabilities for sorting messages by size should make it easier > for Outlook users to keep their in-boxes from filling up... deleting > large messages will be a more intuitive process in Outlook 11. See above Re: human factors analysis. > The new version of Exchange is apparently codenamed Titanium. > This is probably a wordplay on the skulls of the programmers > working on the software at Redmond. SNEER! > Ha ha Microsoft indeed. SNEER! Do you even care about Outlook? -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From niels=cm at bakker.net Tue Oct 15 09:35:41 2002 From: niels=cm at bakker.net (Niels Bakker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <1034696936.1536.117567.camel@amory> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> <1034696936.1536.117567.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021015163541.GP84601@trance.org> * ron@vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) [Tue 15 Oct 2002, 17:51 CEST]: > begin I_bet_they_didn't_fix_this_bullshit_message You, sir, are no fun to bet with. -- Niels. -- From niels=cm at bakker.net Tue Oct 15 09:37:44 2002 From: niels=cm at bakker.net (Niels Bakker) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20021015163652.GQ84601@trance.org> * inkblot@movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) [Tue 15 Oct 2002, 18:10 CEST]: > SNEER! > > Do you even care about Outlook? No, and I care even less about sneering, so you could have saved yourself considerable trouble. -- Niels. -- "War is God's way of teaching Americans geography." -- Ambrose Bierce, writer (1842-1914) From modus at as220.org Tue Oct 15 10:51:51 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Long Now Foundation In-Reply-To: <20021009193931.GL4127@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 12:39:31PM -0700 References: <20021009193931.GL4127@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015135151.B8469@as220.org> Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > http://sfweekly.com/issues/2002-10-09/feature.html/1/index.html > > The Long Now Foundation wants to assemble every human language on > > one nearly indestructible disk -- and, maybe, to last forever > > And then in a hojillion years this Victorian prat will come and spin > the rings and learn how the nuclear blasts actually CONDITIONED THE > ELOI TO BE SLAVES! The Rosetta Disk project referenced in the sfweekly article is only one of the Long Now Foundation's projects. My personal favorite is the design (and prototype) for a 10,000 year clock: http://www.longnow.org/10kclock/clock.htm -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From inkblot at movealong.org Tue Oct 15 09:46:00 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015163652.GQ84601@trance.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> <20021015163652.GQ84601@trance.org> Message-ID: <20021015164600.GA28445@movealong.org> Just now Niels Bakker made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > * inkblot@movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) [Tue 15 Oct 2002, 18:10 CEST]: > > SNEER! > > > > Do you even care about Outlook? > > No, and I care even less about sneering, so you could have saved > yourself considerable trouble. ... [Somewhere in the distance, a Cherrymaster dingles.] -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- Wealth is the lowest form of greatness. pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 15 11:37:18 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Long Now Foundation In-Reply-To: <20021015135151.B8469@as220.org> References: <20021009193931.GL4127@zork.net> <20021015135151.B8469@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021015183718.GG8035@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > The Rosetta Disk project referenced in the sfweekly article is > only one of the Long Now Foundation's projects. My personal > favorite is the design (and prototype) for a 10,000 year clock: Yeah. I actually have a hardcover copy of The Clock of the Long Now. Good book. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Tue Oct 15 11:42:30 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> References: <20021011195405.GA2866@eiv.com> <20021015153611.GO84601@trance.org> <20021015160230.GA11151@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20021015184230.GA12595@odinnet.ath.cx> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:02:30AM -0500, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > Do you even care about Outlook? If by Outlook, you mean the B2B XML SOAP interface, then YES. - erik -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From katyc at ilm.com Tue Oct 15 12:00:22 2002 From: katyc at ilm.com (katyc) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft References: <20021015184230.GA12595@odinnet.ath.cx> Message-ID: <3DAC65C6.1060102@ilm.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/crackmonkey/attachments/20021015/44fc5982/attachment.html From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 15 12:04:38 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:13 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <3DAC65C6.1060102@ilm.com> References: <20021015184230.GA12595@odinnet.ath.cx> <3DAC65C6.1060102@ilm.com> Message-ID: <20021015190437.GB29404@zork.net> begin katyc quotation: [all-HTML mail] Okay, that was irritating. Bug fixed in the filters. Mailman filters are pretty braindead. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Oct 15 12:24:18 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015190437.GB29404@zork.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin katyc quotation: > [all-HTML mail] > > Okay, that was irritating. Bug fixed in the filters. Mailman filters > are pretty braindead. It's not irritating in Pine. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 15 12:27:25 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: References: <20021015190437.GB29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015192724.GC29404@zork.net> begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > It's not irritating in Pine. Top-posting is *always* irritating. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 15 12:29:55 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021015192724.GC29404@zork.net> References: <20021015190437.GB29404@zork.net> <20021015192724.GC29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015192954.GA18148@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > It's not irritating in Pine. > > Top-posting is *always* irritating. Yes, but Pine users are used to being irritated while reading their mail. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2sbLIACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2qXwCgsEKcVKAiAB8YbnA11AtswMxa AE0AoOUsS1hCyNX0JiJXJZeaPUP3Krkb =D8ZD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Oct 15 12:32:19 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Dude, there's a zombie... Message-ID: <20021015193219.GA18182@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://loris.net/zombie/index.html Too bad they puss out at the end with a disclaimer. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2sbUMACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2fbACeOIuUzObR55ATkLr4kr8YSqS+ +iYAn3AxPin/UnC3JKR3BS4RXAGt235E =+vPW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 15 13:06:28 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/locale/l10n/tw/flag.png Message-ID: <20021015200628.GE29404@zork.net> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/10/6/173153/329 > Here are some excerpts from the RPM spec file "kdebase.spec". Line 558: > > # remove taiwanese flag > %if %{redhatify} > rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/locale/l10n/tw/flag.png > %endif -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Oct 15 13:18:54 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <200210151528.g9FFSX4N006732@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1449.163.191.47.231.1034692547.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> <200210151528.g9FFSX4N006732@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <51611.163.191.47.234.1034713134.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 09:35:47 CDT, Jordan Bettis > said: > >> The IETF gave IPv6 a 8-byte address because they knew we'd all be >> using computers with 128bit ints by the time it got implemented. > > Hmm.. you must be on one of those computers that made old RFC's use the > term 'octets' rather than 'bytes'.... You're just jealous because you can't fit a UTF-16 character into a char. BTW: The 'octet' rule is still in effect for all RFCs, old or new. -- Jordan Bettis This message has been written using my webmail system. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue Oct 15 13:28:42 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Dude, there's a zombie... In-Reply-To: <20021015193219.GA18182@eiv.com> References: <20021015193219.GA18182@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021015202842.GA6922@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > http://loris.net/zombie/index.html > > Too bad they puss out at the end with a disclaimer. McMahon, there is NOT, I repeat, NOT a zombie behind you right now. Just keep sitting there and pay no attention to mindless wails or objects trying to crack you skull open, because there are no zombies behind you. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway P.S. No zombies, really. P.P.S. I mean it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9rHp5jLHcIq3dHxYRAueCAKC/PXlCfbPJ2tPG4YuOxUFb4qYSMACgld7L a4rlfX21o8EQzeg1VBDF64k= =+02r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Oct 15 15:23:03 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates In-Reply-To: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> References: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 10:47:28PM -0700, Seth David Schoen wrote: > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000148.html Hey, another intelligent, attractive and successful Movable Type blogger! > "Eat low on the food chain, code low on the Chomsky hierarchy." Chomsky, Schmomsky. You know, you never got back to me about my copy _Syntactic Structures_...any interest in it? -- problem in .muttrc; no siggy From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 15 15:28:44 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates In-Reply-To: <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> References: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> Message-ID: <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000148.html > > Hey, another intelligent, attractive and successful Movable Type > blogger! OH BOY OH BOY WE'LL ALL USE THE PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE AND BECOME MORE ATTRACTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL!!!^!&%!&$!& -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jv at zork.net Tue Oct 15 16:03:52 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: Mind the door that swings both ways (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/locale/l10n/tw/flag.png) In-Reply-To: <20021015200628.GE29404@zork.net> References: <20021015200628.GE29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015230352.GC10013@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2002/10/6/173153/329 > > Here are some excerpts from the RPM spec file "kdebase.spec". Line 558: > > # remove taiwanese flag > > %if %{redhatify} > > rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/locale/l10n/tw/flag.png > > %endif Granting trans-national protocol to World Trade... Free Trade... ?Free-World Trade... ... McFood buys great tracts of sub-continental... [... parody-opp for Apu...] ... grazing cattle for slaughter. Getting as "fuck you, human" as possible, 'cause the ceo's mom was startled by a vegetarian. This door's spring tracks commercially. Money's trouble enough; the *love* of money's Satan's snare. -jv From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Tue Oct 15 16:07:38 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates In-Reply-To: <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> References: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015230738.GA4566@robert.ruptured-duck.org> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 03:28:44PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > OH BOY OH BOY WE'LL ALL USE THE PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE AND BECOME MORE > ATTRACTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL!!!^!&%!&$!& And don't forget: MORE BABES! -- Bob Bernstein From modus at as220.org Tue Oct 15 17:54:56 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Long Now Foundation In-Reply-To: <20021015183718.GG8035@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 11:37:18AM -0700 References: <20021009193931.GL4127@zork.net> <20021015135151.B8469@as220.org> <20021015183718.GG8035@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021015205456.A15511@as220.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > begin Matt Obert quotation: > > The Rosetta Disk project referenced in the sfweekly article is > > only one of the Long Now Foundation's projects. My personal > > favorite is the design (and prototype) for a 10,000 year clock: > > Yeah. I actually have a hardcover copy of The Clock of the > Long Now. Good book. Well, Monkey Master, you smoked me on that one ... I don't own a copy of the book, but I'm pretty well up-to-date on the project. The clock is a masterpiece of industrial design. And the library project (of which the Rosetta Disk is the cornerstone) is pretty inspiring, too ... it's a vision of analog computing which does an end-run around the planned obsolescence inherent in digital computing platforms, and effectively makes it impossible for future DRM schemes to come between the authors (or, to use the Internet euphemism, "content providers") and their content (in this case, a key to translate between all living languages and many dead ones.) -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 15 17:39:17 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] SAGE ADVICE Message-ID: <20021016003917.GK29404@zork.net> http://www.pick-me.com/objectlessons/moreobjects.htm > Cats and dogs, oil and water, needles and balloons, all things that > do not mix, especially if your needle is over 12 inches long! > Follow the directions and sure enough, you will inflate a real > balloon and pierce it through one end and out the other, all to the > amazement of your audience regardless of the age. (Don't waste such > attention... attach a spiritual lessons to the trick and they will > remember it forever.) Two original lessons are included. Hooray! Bomb bags for Christ! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Oct 15 18:32:11 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: Mind the door that swings both ways (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT%{_datadir}/locale/l10n/tw/flag.png) In-Reply-To: <20021015230352.GC10013@zork.net> (Juggler Vain's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:03:52 -0700") References: <20021015200628.GE29404@zork.net> <20021015230352.GC10013@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "jv" == Juggler Vain writes: jv> ... McFood buys great tracts of sub-continental... I TREMBLE BEFORE YOUR WITTY CONCISION. I want a T-Shirt that says ``Joe Camel Center for Marxist Studies.'' And a yellow Camel swirl on a red background. -- Are we suddenly so eager to find examples of how corporate interests are turning activism into slacktivism? Why look further than the Harvard University Press? Or Duke University's Joe Camel Center for Marxist Studies? -- Kermit Snelson From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Oct 15 20:58:14 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:28:44 PDT." <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> References: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210160358.g9G3wECH002579@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 15:28:44 PDT, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > OH BOY OH BOY WE'LL ALL USE THE PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE AND BECOME MORE > ATTRACTIVE AND SUCCESSFUL!!!^!&%!&$!& "I'm Bill Gates. Not only am I a Microsoft exec, I'm also a user". The only thing that keeps it from being like shooting fish in a barrel is the fact that he's allegedly reproduced... From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Oct 15 21:20:25 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A maxim for the coming era of technology mandates In-Reply-To: <200210160358.g9G3wECH002579@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021015054728.GB8804@zork.net> <20021015222303.GA4483@robert.ruptured-duck.org> <20021015222844.GG29404@zork.net> <200210160358.g9G3wECH002579@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20021016042025.GM29404@zork.net> begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > "I'm Bill Gates. Not only am I a Microsoft exec, I'm also a user". > > The only thing that keeps it from being like shooting fish in a barrel > is the fact that he's allegedly reproduced... You mean his stepdaughter? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Tue Oct 15 22:09:10 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Are we not men? Message-ID: <20021016050910.GN29404@zork.net> http://www.vgg.com/tp/fakeband_c.html#cubesquared > Cube Squared - Swedish pop band who need a music video shot in one > day, in the 1988 movie Tapeheads. They get doused in paint and > covered with glitter and feathers. Their song was the Devo song > "Baby Doll," sung in Swedish. The band was played by Dan Blom, Billy > Ferrick, and Thomas Persson. (see also The Swanky Modes, Ranchbone > and The Blender Children) Rocklopedia FakeBandica! What's spooky is that the Dregs of Humanity (see the bottom of http://www.vgg.com/tp/fakeband_d.html) is the only episode of that show I ever saw. I remember it distinctly, right down to the point where Matthew approaches Don King from behind, and it turns out to be one of the skeletons in a grey frightwig. Crazy! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dsaklad at gnu.org Tue Oct 15 22:38:29 2002 From: dsaklad at gnu.org (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the woman at the government document reference desk Message-ID: the woman at the government document reference desk http://listserv.muohio.edu/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A1=ind0210c&L=archives#17 From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Wed Oct 16 04:53:57 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: References: <20021015190437.GB29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021016115357.GB2017@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 12:24:18PM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Tue, 15 Oct 2002, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > begin katyc quotation: > > [all-HTML mail] > > Okay, that was irritating. Bug fixed in the filters. katyc was probably kidding. I hope. > It's not irritating in Pine. Not if you have one of the older versions that displays HTML as plain text, no. -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From katyc at ilm.com Wed Oct 16 09:31:52 2002 From: katyc at ilm.com (katyc) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft References: <20021016115357.GB2017@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <3DAD9478.6050603@ilm.com> No, I wasn't kidding. That's where I worked before I left the Northwest for sunnier climates. mwmiller@columbus.rr.com wrote: > katyc was probably kidding. I hope. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 16 09:39:41 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <3DAD9478.6050603@ilm.com> Message-ID: Yes, you're right. Replying above quoted text is annoying. On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, katyc wrote: > No, I wasn't kidding. That's where I worked before I left the Northwest > for sunnier climates. > > > mwmiller@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > katyc was probably kidding. I hope. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey > -- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Oct 16 09:41:39 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: References: <3DAD9478.6050603@ilm.com> Message-ID: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > Yes, you're right. > Replying above quoted text is annoying. And violates RFC 1855. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAj2tlsIACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt0CUQCfVJOurHxgDWzABZvHpOHCn5e5 6CsAoL7XO9nDaKa4Vn2y+grXU+paFwyV =26wR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 16 11:01:18 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021016180118.GR29404@zork.net> We have all laughed long and hard at the notion that this person thought he was clever. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- roblevinshouldgetalife@johns.org.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Oct 16 11:06:19 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: you > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- know, > Hash: SHA1 it > could > begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: be > > Yes, you're right. worse > > Replying above quoted text is annoying. than > that > And violates RFC 1855. From adam at flounder.net Wed Oct 16 11:03:38 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:06:19AM -0700, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Wed, 16 Oct 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > you > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > know, > Hash: SHA1 > it > > could > begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > be > > Yes, you're right. > worse > > Replying above quoted text is annoying. > than > > that > And violates RFC 1855. 01111001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 --Adam From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 16 11:20:16 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021016182016.GS29404@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > 01111001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00101100 00100000 01101001 > 01110100 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 > 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 > 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 > 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 ___________ | o .ooo| | oo .o o| | ooo .o | | o . | | ooo .o | | oo o. | | oo .o o| | o . | | oo .oo | | ooo .o o| | oo . oo| | oo o. oo| | o . | | oo o.ooo| | oo .oo | | oo .oo | | o . | | oo o.o o| | oooo. o| | o . | | oo o.o | | oo o. o| | ooo . oo| | ooo .o | | o . o| | o. o | ___________ -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Wed Oct 16 11:46:36 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU Message-ID: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=1500+Clay+St&city=Davenport&state=IA&csz=Davenport,+IA+52804-4045&slt=41.530625&sln=-90.596595&zip=52804-4045&country=us&BFKey=&BFCat=&BFClient=&cs=9&name=&desc=&poititle=&poi=&ds=n&mag=10 -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 16 12:08:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> Er, here's a more manageable URL: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?csz=52804-4045&slt=41.530625&sln=-90.596595 -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From adam at flounder.net Wed Oct 16 12:10:32 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016182016.GS29404@zork.net> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> <20021016182016.GS29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021016191032.GE31814@flounder.net> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:20:16AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Get the fuck off my list! > > -- > A: No. > Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? > > _______________________________________________ > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks > http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey _________________________________________________________________________ | | |o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o| | o o o o o o o o | | o o o o o o o o o o o o o| | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o| |o o o o o o o o o o o o| |o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Wed Oct 16 12:33:18 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021016193318.GA2625@columbus.rr.com> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > 01111001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00101100 00100000 01101001 > 01110100 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 > 00100000 01101000 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 > 01100101 01100101 01101110 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 > 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 00101110 * Compile with Merlin-64, init with SYS 49152 org $c000 ldy #$00 loop lda mesg,y beq done jsr $ffd2 iny bne loop done rts mesg dfb $43,$61,$70,$69,$74,$61,$6c,$69 dfb $7a,$65,$20,$77,$6f,$72,$64,$73 dfb $2c,$20,$79,$6f,$75,$20,$64,$75 dfb $6d,$62,$62,$65,$6c,$6c,$2e,$00 -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From kra at monkey.org Wed Oct 16 16:47:20 2002 From: kra at monkey.org (Karl Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the woman at the government document reference desk In-Reply-To: Don Saklad's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2002 01:38:29 -0400" References: Message-ID: Don Saklad writes: > the woman at the government document reference desk > http://listserv.muohio.edu/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A1=ind0210c&L=archives#17 Not the detailed stalking account I was expecting. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Oct 16 18:20:52 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016191032.GE31814@flounder.net> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> <20021016182016.GS29404@zork.net> <20021016191032.GE31814@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021017012052.GK29404@zork.net> begin Adam McKenna quotation: > _________________________________________________________________________ > | | > |o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | > | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o| > | o o o o o o o o | > | o o o o o o o o o o o o o| > | o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o| > |o o o o o o o o o o o o| > |o o o o o o o o o o o o o o o | > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I could, but I won't. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Wed Oct 16 22:23:21 2002 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the woman at the government document reference desk Message-ID: -Correct URL [ http://listserv.muohio.edu/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?S2=archives&q=woman&s=&f=&a=13+October+2002&b=17+October+2002 ] From dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu Wed Oct 16 22:32:23 2002 From: dsaklad at zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] suspects. elbows. Message-ID: How do you get mailings?... from the lists 1. suspects 2. elbows From magnus at bodin.org Wed Oct 16 23:54:04 2002 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021017065404.GB25379@bodin.org> On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > 01111001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 > 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101000 > 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100101 01101110 > 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 > 01110010 01111001 00101110 Ha ha binary. If you try to impress people, at least use negabinary. -- http://x42.com/ From pgl at yoyo.org Thu Oct 17 03:01:23 2002 From: pgl at yoyo.org (Peter Lowe) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Ha ha Microsoft In-Reply-To: <20021017065404.GB25379@bodin.org> References: <20021016164139.GA22847@eiv.com> <20021016180338.GC31814@flounder.net> <20021017065404.GB25379@bodin.org> Message-ID: <20021017100123.GA6502@yoyo.org> On Oct 17, Magnus Bodin wrote: > On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 11:03:38AM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote: > > > > 01111001 01100101 01100001 01101000 00101100 00100000 01101001 01110100 > > 00100000 01100011 01101111 01110101 01101100 01100100 00100000 01101000 > > 01100001 01110110 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100101 01101110 > > 00100000 01101001 01101110 00100000 01100010 01101001 01101110 01100001 > > 01110010 01111001 00101110 > > Ha ha binary. > If you try to impress people, at least use negabinary. Or ULTRA Negabinary! -- "A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply?" -- Nick Moffitt From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 17 13:45:29 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fight the power! In-Reply-To: <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021010174442.GA29667@eiv.com> <874rbsh990.fsf@pigdog.org> <1034379071.1035.248076.camel@amory> <87n0pk8jn5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021017204529.GD7556@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:40:14PM -0400: > What? We have IPv6. I think. I've never tried it. But it's there. We > have an Esperanto HOWTO, also. apt-get install freenet6 That's free(net6) not (freenet)6. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Oct 17 14:55:53 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [owen@ditherati.net: D I T H E R A T I for 10 October 2002] In-Reply-To: <20021011020308.GC12174@zork.net> References: <20021011020308.GC12174@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021017215553.GB10644@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 07:03:08PM -0700: > Ah yes! And there is such a market out there for a game with one > MILLION players! http://www.ebay.com/ -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From jv at zork.net Thu Oct 17 15:00:41 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: I want my Spy TV (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] the woman at the government document reference desk) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021017220041.GD20964@zork.net> begin Karl Anderson quotation: > Don Saklad writes: > > the woman at the government document reference desk > > http://listserv.muohio.edu/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A1=ind0210c&L=archives#17 > Not the detailed stalking account I was expecting. I'd hoped at least pen-cam shots of woman passing Sensitive Documents to an Obvious Foreigner... ... so stop the presses: Big Brother discovers the library. -jv From modus at as220.org Fri Oct 18 00:51:30 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 12:08:37PM -0700 References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > Er, here's a more manageable URL: > > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?csz=52804-4045&slt=41.530625&sln=-90.596595 Davenport, Iowa ... but WHY? How did you know where to look for this zany intersection? -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From andy at strugglers.net Fri Oct 18 00:12:55 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk> On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:51:30AM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco looked into the void, and said: > > > Er, here's a more manageable URL: > > > > http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?csz=52804-4045&slt=41.530625&sln=-90.596595 > > Davenport, Iowa ... but WHY? > > How did you know where to look for this zany intersection? Out of interest, I googled and found a link to it dated Oct 9th on some forum.. but as of 2 days ago the strange names only showed up intermittently, and now I can't get them to appear at all. Even though the town of Gay and http://www.cummingfirst.com both exist in Georgia, it seems unlikely that THESE streets were for real - Yahoo employee prank? -- "People rarely listen to what I say. I do not expect them to. One cannot expect dwarves to queue for the rack." -- The League Against Tedium From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 18 00:19:45 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk> References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20021018071945.GJ5339@zork.net> begin Andy Smith quotation: > Out of interest, I googled and found a link to it dated Oct 9th on > some forum.. but as of 2 days ago the strange names only showed up > intermittently, and now I can't get them to appear at all. > > Even though the town of Gay and http://www.cummingfirst.com both > exist in Georgia, it seems unlikely that THESE streets were for real > - Yahoo employee prank? No discussion of these streets would be complete without the mention that proffessional mapmakers, in a fit of copyright-induced lunacy, often insert errors into their maps in order to prove the origins of unauthorized derivative works. However, in this case it seems to be a prank that was perpetrated some time before yahoo maps and mapquest split. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Oct 18 08:28:37 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD Message-ID: -----8<----- Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 12:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Weisberg Reply-To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org To: plug@lists.phillylinux.org Subject: [PLUG] My Meeting Font Rant At the meeting I mentioned that due to a system upgrade[1], under X[2], the single quote (aka. apostrophe, character 39 (0x27), (')) had changed appearance. Where it used to have angle to it (and appeared complimentary to (`) (character 96 (0x60)), it now appears vertical. I then ranted on about how I needed to jack up one side of my monitor in order to make my m4 macros look less sickly[3], as m4 used to look like \ / \ | XXX and now looks like XXX anyway.... A) it does effect all of the fonts. B) this was done in the name of UNICODEization. where ASCII (x3.4) defined character 39 as: apostrophe, closing single quotation mark; acute accent Unicode (ISO 10646) says: neutral (vertical) glyph having mixed usage Unicode 2.1 even includes: For historical reasons, U+0027 is a particularly overloaded character. In ASCII it is used to represent a punctuation mark (such as right single quotation mark, left single quotation mark, apostrophe punctuation, vertical line, or prime) or a modifier letter (such as apostrophe modifier or acute accent.) (Punctuation marks generally break words; modifier letters generally are considered part of a word.) In many systems it is always represented as a straight vertical line and can never represent a curly apostrophe or right quotation mark... is all --jeff [1] NetBSD 1.6 [2] XFree86 4.2 [3] it is all coming back to you now. you remember... See also: ASCII - http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso646.html ISO 8859 - http://czyborra.com/charsets/iso8859.html Unicode - http://czyborra.com/unicode/standard.html Quote marks - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/quotes.html _________________________________________________________________________ Philadelphia Linux Users Group -- http://www.phillylinux.org Announcements - http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug-announce General Discussion -- http://lists.netisland.net/mailman/listinfo/plug -----8<----- I am now experiencing this. 'man' pages look totally ridiculous. Even referring to 'man' looks totally ridiculous. This is the last straw on a long string of humiliating and foolish clumsy, bloated, bug-prone PeeCee-centric design choices coming out of that sick, arrogant team. I, Miles Nordin, hereby withdraw my support from the XFree86 project. They no longer represent the One True X, and thus are no longer an appropriately-shaped piece of the One True Unix's ``base'' install. I say we expell them to pkgsrc, to a new category called 'compat-peecee'. -- Escape is not his plan. -- Vader From modus at as220.org Fri Oct 18 12:07:12 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk>; from andy@strugglers.net on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:12:55AM +0100 References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20021018150712.A29074@as220.org> Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: > Out of interest, I googled and found a link to it dated Oct 9th on > some forum.. but as of 2 days ago the strange names only showed up > intermittently, and now I can't get them to appear at all. I think I missed them completely. I'm guessing that the two dead ends and the irregular dipper-shaped quadrilateral in the image were the streets with the bizarre names. I tried to get the page from the Wayback Machine at archive.org, but yahoo blocks those sort of shenanigans with robots.txt -- bummer. Does anybody know of a cached copy of this image? I'm suddenly quite eager to know what's up here. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From andy at strugglers.net Fri Oct 18 11:22:08 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018150712.A29074@as220.org> References: <20021016184636.GW29404@zork.net> <20021016190837.GY29404@zork.net> <20021018035129.A22018@as220.org> <20021018071255.GW12528@lug.org.uk> <20021018150712.A29074@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021018182208.GY12528@lug.org.uk> On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 03:07:12PM -0400, Matt Obert wrote: > Andy Smith looked into the void, and said: > > > Out of interest, I googled and found a link to it dated Oct 9th on > > some forum.. but as of 2 days ago the strange names only showed up > > intermittently, and now I can't get them to appear at all. > > I think I missed them completely. I'm guessing that the two > dead ends and the irregular dipper-shaped quadrilateral in the > image were the streets with the bizarre names. http://tao.xtaz.co.uk/yahoo.jpg -- Children's books that didnt make the cut Some Kittens Can Fly From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Oct 18 11:37:17 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018182208.GY12528@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Andy Smith wrote: > http://tao.xtaz.co.uk/yahoo.jpg Mapquest still has buttlickin' ave listed. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=1500+clay+st&city=davenport&state=IA&zipcode=&homesubmit.x=0&homesubmit.y=0 From modus at as220.org Fri Oct 18 13:16:06 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:14 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 11:37:17AM -0700 References: <20021018182208.GY12528@lug.org.uk> Message-ID: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> #2 of Berkeley looked into the void, and said: > Mapquest still has buttlickin' ave listed. > > http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=1500+clay+st&city=davenport&state=IA&zipcode=&homesubmit.x=0&homesubmit.y=0 But not if you zoom in. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Oct 18 14:48:58 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Oct 2002, Matt Obert wrote: > #2 of Berkeley looked into the void, and said: > But not if you zoom in. Well it's a good thing I didn't post the zoomed URL. And thanks for the personal reply. I really appreciate that. From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 22:03:30 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> On 18 Oct 2002 11:28:37 -0400 Miles Nordin wrote: > I, Miles Nordin, hereby withdraw my support from the > XFree86 project. They no longer represent the One True X, and thus > are no longer an appropriately-shaped piece of the One True Unix's > ``base'' install. I say we expell them to pkgsrc, to a new category > called 'compat-peecee'. Clearly, our hands have been forced, and there is no other response possible. But equally clearly, isn't it true that these reflections are wasted on the Linux kiddies who seem to reign supreme around here, and never miss an opportunity to bash bsd, any *bsd? -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 18 22:27:26 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Clearly, our hands have been forced, and there is no other response > possible. But equally clearly, isn't it true that these reflections > are wasted on the Linux kiddies who seem to reign supreme around > here, and never miss an opportunity to bash bsd, any *bsd? Do we? You guys seem to be doing a good enough job on your own. Why step in and mess with it? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Oct 18 22:38:55 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021019053855.GB12494@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > Do we? You guys seem to be doing a good enough job on your > own. Why step in and mess with it? Wait, aren't we all still one big, happy 386BSD family, or am I in the wrong decade, again? -- Cheers, "Azathoth need not be present to win." Rick Moen -- Charles O. Baucum, Jr. rick@linuxmafia.com From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 22:39:25 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021019013925.618c62f3.montaigne@att.net> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:27:26 -0700 Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Do we? You guys seem to be doing a good enough job on your > own. Why step in and mess with it? Because we're all family. We can pick on each other but don't you dare butt in if you're not family. Ya know what I mean? -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 22:42:54 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019053855.GB12494@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> <20021019053855.GB12494@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021019014254.73b1dfac.montaigne@att.net> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:38:55 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Wait, aren't we all still one big, happy 386BSD family, or am I in the > wrong decade, again? Given the headlines of late, I would love to discover a reliable method for removing myself to the "wrong" decade. One stipulation, please: it must not involve opium, any of its derivatives, or any opioids whatsover. To this end I have lately to read nothing written after the year 1800. That would be a start in the "right" direction, n'est-ce pas? Best regards, -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 18 22:51:32 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019013925.618c62f3.montaigne@att.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> <20021019013925.618c62f3.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <20021019055132.GM20811@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Because we're all family. We can pick on each other but don't you > dare butt in if you're not family. Ya know what I mean? So does that mean you'll unsubscribe? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Oct 18 22:52:50 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:03:30 -0400") References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <87y98v5619.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: MdM> But equally clearly, isn't it true that these reflections are MdM> wasted on the Linux kiddies who seem to reign supreme around MdM> here, and never miss an opportunity to bash bsd, any *bsd? Jeez, talk about your persecution complexes. You sound Canadian. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 18 22:56:04 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019014254.73b1dfac.montaigne@att.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> <20021019053855.GB12494@linuxmafia.com> <20021019014254.73b1dfac.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <20021019055604.GB8605@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Given the headlines of late, I would love to discover a reliable method > for removing myself to the "wrong" decade. One stipulation, please: it > must not involve opium, any of its derivatives, or any opioids > whatsover. To this end I have lately to read nothing written after the > year 1800. That would be a start in the "right" direction, n'est-ce pas? Oh yeah, we're gonna send you back in time so that you can build a giant steam-powered acid-spitting robot in the past to menace Tokyo and rule the world. Ha! I'm not gonna fall for that one again! - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9sPPyjLHcIq3dHxYRAmVsAJ9koZwdnnBwoPLNT3LjDTtNqwuZpwCgqRup VVMR/ljzV112W0jePMHHagM= =Uz1R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Oct 18 22:59:55 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <1035007195.1168.28376.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 01:03, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > Clearly, our hands have been forced, and there is no other > response possible. But equally clearly, isn't it true that > these reflections are wasted on the Linux kiddies who seem to > reign supreme around here, and never miss an opportunity to bash > bsd, any *bsd? You're ornery enough to be a NetBSD user, but your headers say otherwise. You know,... people who toy with Miles have a tendency to go off into the jungle and never be seen again. People who toy with Miles _and_ don't break lines around column 75 suffer greatly before they disappear. From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 23:13:45 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019055132.GM20811@zork.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> <20021019013925.618c62f3.montaigne@att.net> <20021019055132.GM20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021019021345.0e037416.montaigne@att.net> On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 22:51:32 -0700 Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > So does that mean you'll unsubscribe? No, of course not. Besides, you need new blood around here. -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 23:17:07 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <1035007195.1168.28376.camel@amory> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <1035007195.1168.28376.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021019021707.73477072.montaigne@att.net> On 19 Oct 2002 01:59:55 -0400 Subjugator "of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror "of Long Island wrote: > You're ornery enough to be a NetBSD user, but your headers say > otherwise. Ah yes, and Lord knows we all need to read not just the "message," but the headers too. The medium is the message. How crackmonkey of you. > You know,... people who toy with Miles have a tendency to go off into > the jungle and never be seen again. Nordin is a pussy cat. > People who toy with Miles _and_ don't break lines around column 75 > suffer greatly before they disappear. I know, I know. Stupid Sylpheed line wrapping. -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Fri Oct 18 23:18:59 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <87y98v5619.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <87y98v5619.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021019021859.3e2c4c87.montaigne@att.net> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 01:52:50 -0400 Mister Bad wrote: > Jeez, talk about your persecution complexes. That's called "projection." Please get into therapy. > You sound Canadian. You sound borderline psychotic. -- montaigne From nick at zork.net Fri Oct 18 23:23:15 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I am speechless. Message-ID: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> ... ----- Forwarded message from "N. Thomas" ----- * Nick Moffitt [2002-10-18 22:30:10 -0700]: > -- > A: No. > Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? hi, Please explain your .sig. thanks, thomas -- N. Thomas nthomas@cise.ufl.edu Etiamsi occiderit me, in ipso sperabo ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 18 23:27:21 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019021345.0e037416.montaigne@att.net> References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <20021019052726.GI20811@zork.net> <20021019013925.618c62f3.montaigne@att.net> <20021019055132.GM20811@zork.net> <20021019021345.0e037416.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <20021019062720.GP20811@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > No, of course not. Besides, you need new blood around here. I agree. You are an excellent new source of blood. Guards! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Oct 18 23:29:00 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I am speechless. In-Reply-To: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> References: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021019062859.GC8605@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > ... > > ----- Forwarded message from "N. Thomas" ----- > > * Nick Moffitt [2002-10-18 22:30:10 -0700]: > > -- > > A: No. > > Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? > > hi, > > Please explain your .sig. > ----- End forwarded message ----- At least it seems to be working on a subliminal level. - -- Brian Hicks 'At Zango Transportation Concepts, our motto is "Caveat Emptor" which means "We hope you like it!"' -- Lambda Expressway -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9sPurjLHcIq3dHxYRAmriAKCaldWUr9aScdo9wHNFagx2ua44iACgycwZ HvCaQwgrWdH0OdbiZIGC9n8= =alhM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Oct 18 23:31:18 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I am speechless. In-Reply-To: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> References: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <1035009079.7184.29030.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 02:23, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from "N. Thomas" ----- > * Nick Moffitt [2002-10-18 22:30:10 -0700]: > > -- > > A: No. > > Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? > > hi, > > Please explain your .sig. Let me guess.... a Mac user. From simm at zork.net Fri Oct 18 23:33:27 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] suspects. elbows. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021019063327.GC26527@zork.net> begin Don Saklad quotation: > How do you get mailings?... from the lists > 1. suspects > 2. elbows > < toy> suspects, i think. < toy> elbows don't send mail. Are we right, Don? -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 18 23:37:45 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I am speechless. In-Reply-To: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> References: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <1035009465.3db0fdb94f00c@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Nick Moffitt : > Please explain your .sig. No need to be speechless. It's simple: The Ultimate Troll! -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Oct 18 23:41:00 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I am speechless. In-Reply-To: <1035009465.3db0fdb94f00c@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021019062315.GN20811@zork.net> <1035009465.3db0fdb94f00c@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <20021019064100.GR20811@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > > Please explain your .sig. > > No need to be speechless. It's simple: > > The Ultimate Troll! Actually, he replied back and said "Oh, I thought you were advocating putting your reply beneath an un-trimmed quotation, rather than interspersing commentary in relevant locations within the previous mail." or something like that. Also, he uses mutt 1.4i. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Oct 18 23:43:15 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] suspects. elbows. In-Reply-To: <20021019063327.GC26527@zork.net> References: <20021019063327.GC26527@zork.net> Message-ID: <1035009795.3db0ff039ab5e@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Simm Al-Aekrib : > Are we right, Don? Don doesn't appear to _read_ this list. He just posts to it. Am I wrong? -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Sat Oct 19 00:03:54 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank you, come again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] suspects. elbows. In-Reply-To: <1035009795.3db0ff039ab5e@mail.spamcop.net> References: <20021019063327.GC26527@zork.net> <1035009795.3db0ff039ab5e@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <1035011034.7184.29769.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 02:43, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > Don doesn't appear to _read_ this list. He just posts to it. There may be a technicality in the rules. I think they only say you have to read the entire archive before posting the first time. I don't think you're required to read it after then. -- This search brought to you by SPEWS http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=spammers&btnG=Google+Search From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat Oct 19 00:10:50 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] suspects. elbows. In-Reply-To: <1035011034.7184.29769.camel@amory> References: <20021019063327.GC26527@zork.net> <1035009795.3db0ff039ab5e@mail.spamcop.net> <1035011034.7184.29769.camel@amory> Message-ID: <1035011450.3db1057a39484@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting "Thank you, come again!" : > There may be a technicality in the rules. I think they only say you > have to read the entire archive before posting the first time. I don't > think you're required to read it after then. Point well taken and duly noted. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 19 00:49:16 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <20021019021859.3e2c4c87.montaigne@att.net> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 02:18:59 -0400") References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <87y98v5619.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021019021859.3e2c4c87.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <871y6m3m2r.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: Me> Jeez, talk about your persecution complexes. MdM> That's called "projection." Please get into therapy. Pfft. I'm not the one asking everyone in the NetBSD house to be quiet so the neighbors won't talk. "Projection" indeed. Me> You sound Canadian. MdM> You sound borderline psychotic. We guard the Canadian border. ~Mr. Bad P.S. Are you gonna do one of those quote quizzes again soon? I think those are fun. It'd be extra cool if you did one about Alexander the Great. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 19 01:08:34 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Important Things In Life Message-ID: <87vg3y26m5.fsf@pigdog.org> ---8<--- From: "Chris Shock" To: Subject: burn all gifs Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 00:01:54 -0700 why do you guys care so much over GIF format? does it really matter to .. living? im just confused b the "Burn all GIFs" -chris ---8<--- I forget... why DO we care so much about the GIF format? Can fighting for information freedom really compare to the simple pleasure of, say, a hearty well-cooked meal? The smile of a newborn infant? A sunny-day outing to the sportsball park? The deep plunging vertigo of a really good K-hole? I say NO! I'm finished with all this Sklyarov-GIF-DeCSS hoohaw! I'm gonna get back to the basics and work on the art of .. living! ~Mr. Bad P.S. Thank you, Chris Shock. I owe you more than words can express. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Sat Oct 19 01:35:28 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank you, come again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The Important Things In Life In-Reply-To: <87vg3y26m5.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <87vg3y26m5.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1035016528.1168.31798.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 04:08, Mister Bad wrote: > From: "Chris Shock" > why do you guys care so much over GIF format? does it really matter > to .. living? im just confused b the "Burn all GIFs" Dear Mr. Shock, The living thing is highly overrated. Stop doing it and you'll see we're right. Get back to us when you've become exanimate and let us know how it works out for you. Warmly, The Helpdesk From carton at Ivy.NET Sat Oct 19 02:49:00 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] we want XFree86 out of NetBSD In-Reply-To: <1035007195.1168.28376.camel@amory> (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island's message of "19 Oct 2002 01:59:55 -0400") References: <20021019010330.3dc2bf92.montaigne@att.net> <1035007195.1168.28376.camel@amory> Message-ID: >>>>> "opj&c" == of Pt Jeff & Conqueror writes: opj&c> people who toy with Miles have a tendency to go opj&c> off into the jungle I honestly don't know what to do with this poster. It is such a worthless and unfunny twit, I don't know where to start. not that there are too many places to start, but too few. It's like reading descriptions on a restaurant menu, where when you finish you can't remember reading anything. anyway, can we just switch it off and forget this ever happened? or if you can't switch it off, at least telnet into the powerstrip of the EnTee box running this bot and kill it. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From modus at as220.org Sat Oct 19 14:47:57 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: ; from crackdonkey@donkeyshow.org on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 02:48:58PM -0700 References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> #2 of Berkeley looked into the void, and said: > And thanks for the personal reply. I really appreciate that. Oops, I guess you got two copies of that -- one from me, and another one from the list. How irritating. Try putting this in your .procmailrc: # Nuke duplicate messages :0 Wh: msgid.lock | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache It'll never happen again. I promise. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 19 13:46:51 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> begin Matt Obert quotation: > Oops, I guess you got two copies of that -- one from me, and > another one from the list. How irritating. > > Try putting this in your .procmailrc: > > # Nuke duplicate messages > :0 Wh: msgid.lock > | $FORMAIL -D 8192 msgid.cache > > It'll never happen again. I promise. This assumes that you do not sort mail out into mailboxes by list, as this rule does: :0: * ^(X-list: |Sender: owner-|X-BeenThere: |Delivered-To: mailing list |X-(Mailing-)?List: <|X-Loop: )\/[-A-Za-z0-9_+]+ inboxes/$MATCH If we combined the two rules (yours and mine), then personal replies would ONLY ever appear in your high-priority direct-to-me mailbox, and the list mailbox will have a glaring hole wherever a post is a reply to one of yours, since the direct-to-you copy will have a much shorter path to your system. Thus, your rule is stupid and broken. GTFOML. This bullshit really ought to be a goddamn FAQ. I keep having to argue against this msgid.cache bullshit on mailing lists full of folks who haven't learned mutt's list-reply yet. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sneakums at zork.net Sat Oct 19 15:42:09 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:47:57 -0400") References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> Message-ID: <6uvg3yvyny.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Matt Obert quotation: [snip recipient-side-hack bullshit] > It'll never happen again. I promise. Usually one says that after one has arranged to cease doing something stupid. How innovative of you to buck the trend. You have a bright future ahead of you on the new improved[1] CrackMonkey mailing list. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From montaigne at att.net Sat Oct 19 16:38:51 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021019193851.7b33e43d.montaigne@att.net> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 13:46:51 -0700 Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Thus, your rule is stupid and broken. GTFOML. HEY! MONKEY MAN! Cut the kid some FUCKING slack. At least he's trying, and not so caught up in ego-feeding propositions that he's afraid to post here cause he might goof up, look stupid, and incur major monkey wrath. > This bullshit really ought to be a goddamn FAQ. HEY! It's your list. Write the damn thing and quit grousing about it. Or is everyone supposed to donate labor forever, in good Open Source fashion? Bah. Damn commies. And where's your pansy brother? Still lying in wait, insidious foe that he is? Bah. Damn pansies. I hope the Giants get their ass kicked, along with all other Bay Area pansy asses. -- montaigne From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 19 17:34:18 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Woohoo Aaron Swartz! Message-ID: <20021020003418.GB8926@zork.net> http://www.aaronsw.com/2002/eldredTranscript > JUSTICE BREYER: Why -- on the last point, it's -- I've counted that > as zero. The reason I've counted it as zero is it seems to me that > the added value, incentive value to produce between life plus 50, or > life plus 70, is zero. It's carried out, as the economists do, to > three decimal points, divide by 100 for the probability of your ever > having such a work, and you get virtually zero, no difference > between this and a perpetual copyright. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 19 17:56:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery Message-ID: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> given the collection of people here who *really* know how code works, and after having struggled with this goddammed thing for days, i have a question that i figure someone here knows how to answer correctly. because of the whack that phpnuke does to mysql, i've been seeking to cache webpages as files. to do this, i've been trying to use a php script called jpcache. whenever i employ it and look at a page, then look at it with a different browser so as to see the cached page, i get pure garbage -- what appears to be a gzipped file, but i cannot be sure. today, i was testing it yet again. as i was testing it, someone else looked at an entirely different story -- and it appears to have worked perfectly. the two files are memorialized at http://www.linuxandmain.com/jpcache/ with the second being the one i got and the first being the one someone else got. as you can see, they were generated at approximately the same time; i can guarantee that the configuration did not change during that time. can someone aid me in figuring out what the significant variable is here? because it is as to me as the wheel is to the pirate. thanks. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 19 18:03:19 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <20021019193851.7b33e43d.montaigne@att.net> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:38:51 -0400") References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> <20021019193851.7b33e43d.montaigne@att.net> Message-ID: <87lm4thqg8.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: MdM> I hope the Giants get their ass kicked, along with all other MdM> Bay Area pansy asses. WHAT?!?!!1! WE R NOT PANSES!!!! U CANOT CALL US THAT!!!! I M SO MAD AT U RITE NOW!!!!! I M GONN HAEV 2 GO PUNCH SOMTHING!!@!! DO NOT MAK FUN OF THE GIANTTS IF U KNOW WHATS GOOD 4 U!!!!!!! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 19 18:06:41 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: <87lm4thqg8.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> <20021019193851.7b33e43d.montaigne@att.net> <87lm4thqg8.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021020010641.GD8926@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > DO NOT MAK FUN OF THE GIANTTS IF U KNOW WHATS GOOD 4 U!!!!!!! Behold Mister Bad's new sportsball team: The Giant Acid-Spitting Robots. The sport? Why, Rollerball, of course! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat Oct 19 18:07:36 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery In-Reply-To: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021020010736.GE8926@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > because of the whack that phpnuke does to mysql, i've been seeking to > cache webpages as files. PHP, MySQL These are your primary problems. The rest is just details. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Sat Oct 19 18:09:04 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Duh Message-ID: <20021020010904.GF8926@zork.net> News flash folks! DRINKING didn't cause this; DRIVING did: http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/oct/texas_dwi/index.html -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 19 18:19:05 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery In-Reply-To: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 20:56:07 -0400") References: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87hefhhppy.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> because of the whack that phpnuke does to mysql, [...] ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Work like you're gonna get fired, dance like Hunter S. Thompson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 19 19:10:45 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery In-Reply-To: <20021020010736.GE8926@zork.net> References: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021020010736.GE8926@zork.net> Message-ID: <200210192210.45578.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | begin dep quotation: | > because of the whack that phpnuke does to mysql, i've been | > seeking to cache webpages as files. | | PHP, MySQL | | These are your primary problems. The rest is just details. great! you qualify! http://www.microsoft.com/careers/categories.htm#13 -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Oct 19 19:11:49 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery In-Reply-To: <87hefhhppy.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87hefhhppy.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200210192211.49080.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | >>>>> "d" == dep writes: | | d> because of the whack that phpnuke does to mysql, [...] | | ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ | | ~Mr. Bad and there's a place for you, too! http://www.microsoft.com/careers/categories.htm#admin -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat Oct 19 20:27:09 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Euclidian Zoning works for YOU In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:03:19 EDT." <87lm4thqg8.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021018161606.A30870@as220.org> <20021019174757.C12028@as220.org> <20021019204651.GZ20811@zork.net> <20021019193851.7b33e43d.montaigne@att.net> <87lm4thqg8.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200210200327.g9K3RA0g005420@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 19 Oct 2002 21:03:19 EDT, Mister Bad said: > WHAT?!?!!1! WE R NOT PANSES!!!! U CANOT CALL US THAT!!!! You know, he's right. They took up a collection, but fell far short of the gonad requirement to qualify as pansies, even after the pirate contributed. From jordanb at hafd.org Sat Oct 19 20:32:11 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Duh In-Reply-To: <20021020010904.GF8926@zork.net> References: <20021020010904.GF8926@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021020033211.GA25783@hafd.org> On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 06:09:04PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > News flash folks! DRINKING didn't cause this; DRIVING did: No, her real problem is that her SUV wasn't bigger than the drunk guy's. The DMV has to write a public service announcement about having small cars. -- Jordan Bettis The rich kid, he becomes a junkie, The poor kid, an advertiser: What a tragic waste of potential - Being a junkie's not so good, either. -- TISM (Australian antirock/parody group) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat Oct 19 20:35:50 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:15 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] a mystery In-Reply-To: <200210192211.49080.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:11:49 -0400") References: <200210192056.07379.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87hefhhppy.fsf@pigdog.org> <200210192211.49080.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87bs5phje1.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> and there's a place for you, too! d> http://www.microsoft.com/careers/categories.htm#admin Nice straw man! I'm impressed. ~Mr. Bad P.S. Hey, so, maybe your question would better answered if you addressed it to a more sympathetic support forum, like: http://www.php-lusers.org/waaaah/i/am/scared/and/my/pants/are/little.html P.P.S. I'm really pretty pi