From brian at 8ball.wox.org Fri Nov 1 05:13:16 2002 From: brian at 8ball.wox.org (Brian Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! Message-ID: <20021101131316.GA32347@8ball.wox.org> In honor of Mailman Day, here's a joke: One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, "You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?" And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 1 05:30:55 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] OpenBSD not that secure In-Reply-To: <20021101044951.GC6625@mjollnir.odinnet> References: <1035922463.3dbeec1fee486@mail.spamcop.net> <20021029202634.GA8393@eiv.com> <1035923951.3dbef1f003568@mail.spamcop.net> <20021030033012.GB24155@mjollnir.odinnet> <20021030064956.GD30867@zork.net> <20021030154439.GA25486@mjollnir.odinnet> <873cqn522a.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021031050205.GA457@mjollnir.odinnet> <20021031133811.GA17017@eiv.com> <20021101044951.GC6625@mjollnir.odinnet> Message-ID: <20021101133055.GA21765@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Erik Bourget quotation: > > out. You're like a Democrat who didn't vote in Florida. Hippie. My personal choices benefit all of mankind? Gosh, thanks! - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9woIOEcl9bQ0RMt0RAmjPAKDTayefLdZPZncray9pVemyba37pgCfdUuv BO7s0newH1+47E0na2jEIQ0= =oFmJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca Fri Nov 1 06:29:58 2002 From: ebourg at cs.mcgill.ca (Erik Bourget) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] OpenBSD not that secure In-Reply-To: <20021101133055.GA21765@eiv.com> References: <20021029202634.GA8393@eiv.com> <1035923951.3dbef1f003568@mail.spamcop.net> <20021030033012.GB24155@mjollnir.odinnet> <20021030064956.GD30867@zork.net> <20021030154439.GA25486@mjollnir.odinnet> <873cqn522a.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021031050205.GA457@mjollnir.odinnet> <20021031133811.GA17017@eiv.com> <20021101044951.GC6625@mjollnir.odinnet> <20021101133055.GA21765@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021101142958.GA2132@mjollnir.odinnet> On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 08:30:55AM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Erik Bourget quotation: > > > > out. You're like a Democrat who didn't vote in Florida. Hippie. > > My personal choices benefit all of mankind? Gosh, thanks! > My pleasure. -- erik bourget | Q: Why couldn't the 11 year old get into ebourg@cs.mcgill.ca | the pirate movie? A: It was rated 'Arrr'. From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 1 08:00:32 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ha ha Wireless Keyboard Message-ID: <20021101160032.GA22334@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article.jhtml?articleID=427668 "While a Stavanger man typed away at his desktop computer his text was also streaming in on his neighbor's machine in a building 150 meters away. Hewlett-Packard have never received a complaint like it." - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9wqUfEcl9bQ0RMt0RAho5AJ0Q1XKyQNapY8AyWfZA1U7Rhwu5AQCgkD6K ZEbbMC2uRBZblEbZhykX+cY= =fKmE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From modus at as220.org Fri Nov 1 14:46:47 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Appy-Hay Ailmanmay Ayday! In-Reply-To: <20021101131316.GA32347@8ball.wox.org>; from brian@8ball.wox.org on Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 07:13:16AM -0600 References: <20021101131316.GA32347@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20021101174647.B9822@as220.org> Inway onorhay ofway Ailmanmay Ayday, erehay'say away okejay: Oneway ayday away iratepay alksway intoway away arbay ithway away eeringstay eelwhay attachedway otay ishay otchcray. Osay ethay artenderbay ayssay otay imhay, "Youay owknay youay avehay away eeringstay eelwhay attachedway otay youray otchcray?" Andway ethay iratepay ayssay, "Aaarway, itsway ivingdray emay utsnay!" pig: pig (6) - eformatray inputway asway Igpay Atinlay But can you get your bot to mail the joke in toki pona? -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 1 14:17:58 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [transittrain@yahoo.com: RAIL TRAVEL ADVOSORY WARNING CONDUCTER SHOT ON CSX] Message-ID: <20021101221758.GS16118@zork.net> So I know that there was a warning earlier about the US's rail infrastructure being under threat. I wonder if this was related. This mail was sent out to a bunch of freight hoppers and hobos. ----- Forwarded message from Ray Taylor ----- Acording to the Buffalo news a conducter was shot yesterday in senaca New York when he stoped his train for a women on the tracks, The suspect was wering camoflaoge,,,,also in maryland a CSX train window was also shot out,,,,Avoid suspios people on the tracks and avoid being a suspiosios person..... philips road ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From ron at vnetworx.net Fri Nov 1 15:00:30 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [transittrain@yahoo.com: RAIL TRAVEL ADVOSORY WARNING CONDUCTER SHOT ON CSX] In-Reply-To: <20021101221758.GS16118@zork.net> References: <20021101221758.GS16118@zork.net> Message-ID: <1036191631.9929.52292.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 17:17, Nick Moffitt wrote: > So I know that there was a warning earlier about the US's rail > infrastructure being under threat. I wonder if this was related. > > This mail was sent out to a bunch of freight hoppers and hobos. Sounds like the hobos have better roaming capabilities with their e-mail than I do. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 1 15:14:25 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [transittrain@yahoo.com: RAIL TRAVEL ADVOSORY WARNING CONDUCTER SHOT ON CSX] In-Reply-To: <1036191631.9929.52292.camel@amory> References: <20021101221758.GS16118@zork.net> <1036191631.9929.52292.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021101231425.GT16118@zork.net> begin Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island quotation: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 17:17, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > So I know that there was a warning earlier about the US's rail > > infrastructure being under threat. I wonder if this was related. > > > > This mail was sent out to a bunch of freight hoppers and hobos. > > Sounds like the hobos have better roaming capabilities with their > e-mail than I do. From what I can tell, they use innurnet cafes mostly. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Nov 1 15:19:50 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [transittrain@yahoo.com: RAIL TRAVEL ADVOSORY WARNING CONDUCTER SHOT ON CSX] In-Reply-To: <20021101231425.GT16118@zork.net> References: <20021101221758.GS16118@zork.net> <1036191631.9929.52292.camel@amory> <20021101231425.GT16118@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211011819.50187.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | > Sounds like the hobos have better roaming capabilities with their | > e-mail than I do. | | From what I can tell, they use innurnet cafes mostly. nah. greentooth. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 1 22:28:25 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021102062825.GD16118@zork.net> WORST MAILMAN DAY EVER ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- thesubjugator@subjugation.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Fri Nov 1 23:15:56 2002 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021102062825.GD16118@zork.net> References: <20021102062825.GD16118@zork.net> Message-ID: <1036221357.21266.1980.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-11-02 at 01:28, Nick Moffitt wrote: > WORST MAILMAN DAY EVER I figured "what's a little more pain?" A little suffering for you, but my regular e-mail address stops turning up in the CrackMonkey archives, reducing any future angry e-mails coming in from those who feel maligned by reference. Sounds like a good deal for me. From 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz Sat Nov 2 01:33:38 2002 From: 0272456089 at djuice.co.nz (Ian W H) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Floridia Message-ID: <3DC14154@mail.djuice.co.nz> No, Cuba was definitely the best answer. Thank you for calling. >===== Original Message From Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu ===== >On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:26:06 +1300, Ian W H <0272456089@djuice.co.nz> said: >> begin If a Canadian comes from Canadia, where does a Floridian come from? > >If you read it in reverse chronological order, they come from retirement. From nick at zork.net Sat Nov 2 14:14:38 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] First big software patent thread ever Message-ID: <20021102221438.GD25130@zork.net> http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=off&th=5ba3a0c9ba9f7228 > This is insane! Is there no longer a requirement that a patent only > be presented for the description of a non-obvious technique or > application? > -- > Geoff. Lane. Janet: zzassgl@uk.ac.mcc.uts > UTS Sys Admin, Manchester Computing Centre, Oxford Rd, Manchester, M13 9PL -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Nov 3 04:08:28 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today Message-ID: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> When technology goes too far, ordinary citizens must take action. But the question is: How do we define ''too far?'' I will tell you. We define ''too far'' as ``when scientists start putting weapons on cockroaches.'' This is actually happening, according to an article in the Sept. 6 issue of Science magazine, brought to my attention by alert reader Richard Sweetman. This article states that researchers at the University of California at Berkeley have been ''mounting tiny cannons on the backs of cockroaches.'' That is correct: These researchers have been outfitting live cockroaches with backpacks containing ``plastic tubes filled with explosives.'' Of course the researchers have a scientific reason for doing this: They are on LSD. No, really, it has something to do with figuring out how cockroaches have such good balance. (You almost never see a cockroach fall off a bicycle.) The researchers have used their findings to construct a working robot roach that is, according to Science, the size of a breadbox. Swell! If there's anything this world needs more than armed cockroaches, it's giant mechanized cockroaches! NEWSPAPER STORY FROM THE YEAR 2004: ``A homeowner in Santa Rosa, Calif., was found shot to death in his kitchen Friday. Police said the man apparently was felled by 500 rounds of small-bore cannon fire, mostly in his ankles, indicating that this was the work of the gang of armed research cockroaches that escaped from a Berkeley lab. Police said the motive in the slaying was apparently a Ring Ding. In a related development, an escaped robot cockroach broke into an Oakland Wal-Mart and made off with an estimated 17,000 AA batteries.'' Ask yourself: Is that the kind of story you want to read in your newspaper? Me too, as long as it's California. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Nov 3 09:26:33 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Sun, 3 Nov 2002 07:08:28 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> [Dave Barry stuff] d00d, you have gone TOO FAR! Dave Barry's trademark brand of edgy, underground humor is too shocking and outrageous even for the normally cutting-edge crackmonkey list. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dep at linuxandmain.com Sun Nov 3 09:48:29 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211031248.29767.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | d00d, you have gone TOO FAR! Dave Barry's trademark brand of edgy, | underground humor is too shocking and outrageous even for the | normally cutting-edge crackmonkey list. yeah, i know. he blew through this crowd when he wrote the book about the freakish fellow who went around with the potato stuck in his ass, the controversial biography "the hunt for odd rectuber." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Nov 3 11:24:00 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Mister Bad : > ...the normally cutting-edge crackmonkey list. This list hasn't been cutting-edge since it got slashdotted. All the really smart people don't post any more. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun Nov 3 11:33:06 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:24:00 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "BB" == Bob Bernstein writes: BB> This list hasn't been cutting-edge since it got BB> slashdotted. All the really smart people don't post any more. Yeah, well, we'll just have to quadruple our stupid posts accordingly to make up the difference. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Sun Nov 3 11:41:13 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:24:00 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <6uof96fnl2.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > Quoting Mister Bad : > >> ...the normally cutting-edge crackmonkey list. > > This list hasn't been cutting-edge since it got slashdotted. All the > really smart people don't post any more. Not really a problem. The replacement list is just smokin'. -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun Nov 3 11:41:49 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> Quoting Mister Bad : > Yeah, well, we'll just have to quadruple our stupid posts accordingly > to make up the difference. Quantity neq quality! -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 3 14:58:22 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021103225822.GG25130@zork.net> Jesux. Mailman day is all over and done with, and all we end up with is MORE twits. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- outrager@hotmail.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Sun Nov 3 15:08:56 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sun, 3 Nov 2002 14:41:49 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "bb" == Bob Bernstein writes: bb> Quantity neq quality! We, are the twits who say, ``NEQ!'' -- Everyone already know that Theo lame, but few realize that he also is just asshole. . . -- #phrack From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Nov 4 03:33:28 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] why isn't *this* on the iron chef? Message-ID: <200211040633.28785.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.expressandstar.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=1&num=15037 Chefs across the Black Country are cooking up recipes for success as they prepare for a competition to create the largest faggot ever made. . . . . . . The guide has been written by Ghislaine Povey, senior lecturer in tourism and hospitality at Wolverhampton University, and top faggot maker Richard James. Chef Mr James, nicknamed Grorty Dick after the traditional Black Country stew, trained at London's Hilton Hotel, ran a restaurant in Halesowen for many years and still supplies Black Country delicacies for special events. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mark at symonds.net Mon Nov 4 07:14:11 2002 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! Message-ID: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/columnists/dave_barry/4018055.htm Arrrrr! Talk like a pirate -- or prepare to be boarded DAVE BARRY Every now and then, some visionary individuals come along with a concept that is so original and so revolutionary that your immediate reaction is: ``Those individuals should be on medication.'' Today I want to tell you about two such people, John Baur and Mark Summers, who have come up with a concept that is going to make you kick yourself for not thinking of it first: Talk Like a Pirate Day. As the name suggests, this is a day on which everybody would talk like a pirate. Is that a great idea, or what? There are so many practical benefits that I can't even begin to list them all. [...] From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 4 07:59:35 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> Message-ID: <20021104155935.GL24122@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mark Symonds quotation: > > Arrrrr! Talk like a pirate -- or prepare to be boarded > DAVE BARRY Welcome to two months ago. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9xplnEcl9bQ0RMt0RAvq6AJ43kN8ONlqUDoz1/UznypRxu8T9fQCePjIH Xlsyk/q8PYE6ZLQufoSy8ak= =7Sv0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From silverback at pigdog.org Mon Nov 4 08:17:22 2002 From: silverback at pigdog.org (The Mighty Silverback) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> (Mark Symonds's message of "Mon, 4 Nov 2002 07:14:11 -0800") References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> Message-ID: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MS" == Mark Symonds writes: MS> Arrrrr! Talk like a pirate -- or prepare to be boarded DAVE MS> BARRY UNSCRUIRBE DAVEBARRYFAN-L ~TMS -- ----------------------------------------------------- /~\ The Mighty Silverback - silverback@pigdog.org C oo _( ^) http://pigdog.org/ - The Online Handbook of / ~\ Bad People of the Future ----------------------------------------------------- From sneakums at zork.net Mon Nov 4 08:30:23 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Majordomo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: Majordomo results: Re: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> (The Mighty Silverback's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2002 11:17:22 -0500") References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <6un0opcn6o.fsf_-_@zork.zork.net> -- >>>> UNSCRUIRBE DAVEBARRYFAN-L Denied. >>>> -- END OF COMMANDS From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 4 11:59:10 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "MS" == Mark Symonds writes: > > MS> Arrrrr! Talk like a pirate -- or prepare to be boarded DAVE > MS> BARRY > > UNSCRUIRBE DAVEBARRYFAN-L The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 4 12:05:23 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021104200522.GA25206@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the > Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit > columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! ITYM "Or I'll crack yer skull, lubbers! Arrr!" - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9xtMCEcl9bQ0RMt0RAuTZAJ91isw4eIT9+YAumn2FazHpXDcQcwCg9Pcr fweOsyEz4FVGdnErIn+j1cI= =gekI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dave at mikamyla.com Mon Nov 4 12:26:50 2002 From: dave at mikamyla.com (Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021104202649.GA14308@mikamyla.com> Quothe Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco , on Mon, Nov 04, 2002: > The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the > Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit > columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! > GAR!. I thought vegematarian's didn't practice violence. -- =================-------------------------------========================= | Dave Barry | All the freaky people make | dave@mikamyla.com | | ... | the beauty of the world. | http://psax.org/~dave | | | --Michael Franti | | =================-------------------------------========================= From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 4 12:30:22 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "03 Nov 2002 18:08:56 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> Message-ID: <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: bb> Quantity neq quality! MN> We, are the twits who say, ``NEQ!'' What is "neq" from, anyways? I don't think it's Fortran ("QUANTITY.NE.QUALITY") or grodie Python or anything. Is this some kind of creeping Rubyism? APL? Pascal? I'm pretty sure it's not toki pona. Also, has anyone noticed how grumpy Bob Bernstein is all the time? Why are you so grumpy, Bob? You're like the Mean Ol' Man on Crackmonkey Street, and somebody needs to teach you the true meaning of Christmas. ~Mr. Bad P.S. Confidential to sneakums: I dare you to dong and ditch Ol' Man Bernstein's place. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jeremym at loonix.org Mon Nov 4 12:36:45 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104202649.GA14308@mikamyla.com> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104202649.GA14308@mikamyla.com> Message-ID: <20021104203645.GA4437@pug.chroot.net> On Mon Nov 04, 2002 at 12:26:50PM -0800, Dave Barry wrote: > Quothe Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco , on Mon, Nov 04, 2002: > > > The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the > > Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit > > columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! > > GAR!. I thought vegematarian's didn't practice violence. Certain ingredients of vegemite have been proven to drive otherwise meek, boring people into sporadic bouts of insane savagery. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 4 12:37:35 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104202649.GA14308@mikamyla.com> (Dave Barry's message of "Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:26:50 -0800") References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104202649.GA14308@mikamyla.com> Message-ID: <873cqh9ils.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "DB" == Dave Barry writes: DB> GAR!. ^^^ Says "gar". Check. DB> I thought vegematarian's didn't practice violence. Bad pluralization. Uncheck. DB> All the freaky people make the beauty of the world. --Michael DB> Franti Michael Franti quote! Check check check check check! All tests indicate that this is the TRUE DAVE BARRY. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dmarti at zgp.org Mon Nov 4 12:38:54 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:30:22PM -0500: > What is "neq" from, anyways? I don't think it's Fortran > ("QUANTITY.NE.QUALITY") or grodie Python or anything. Is this some > kind of creeping Rubyism? APL? Pascal? I'm pretty sure it's not toki > pona. Why doesn't this list cover the elections? Are the undead alien Libertarian Smurfs paying everyone to keep quiet about it? http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html Is Independent Web Journalism dead? -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Mon Nov 4 12:47:58 2002 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> Message-ID: <1036442879.21266.126920.camel@amory> On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:38, Don Marti wrote: > Why doesn't this list cover the elections? Are the undead > alien Libertarian Smurfs paying everyone to keep quiet about it? > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html > > Is Independent Web Journalism dead? Elections? Aren't all the candidates this year Demopublicans? From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon Nov 4 12:48:38 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Mon, 4 Nov 2002 12:38:54 -0800") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87y98983ix.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: DM> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html Wow. That dude's frickin' BLUE. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Nov 4 12:57:51 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <87y98983ix.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> <87y98983ix.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211041557.51991.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: | | DM> | http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.ht |ml | | Wow. That dude's frickin' BLUE. yeah. he misunderstood when he heard that clinton got even more popular after *he* got blew. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon Nov 4 13:13:30 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:23 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:30:22 EST." <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211042113.gA4LDUG0026320@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:30:22 EST, Mister Bad said: > Also, has anyone noticed how grumpy Bob Bernstein is all the time? Why > are you so grumpy, Bob? http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95849 From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 4 13:20:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:59:10AM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the > Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit > columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! So Dave Barry, a pirate with a steering wheel sticking out of his pants, and a Libbertarian candidate with blue skin all walk into a bar. Dave Barry says to the bartender, "Hi, I'm Dave Barry. Someone told me ZIMA drinkers were 'funny.' I desperately want to be 'funny.' Could you please get me a ZIMA?" The blue-skinned Libbertarian candidate says to the bartender, "Hi, I'm a Libbertarian Candidate for Senator or Something, and when I went full-on batshit psycho over Y2K I drank a bunch of colloidial silver thinking it would give me super powers. Now my skin is all blue, and I've developed quite a taste for it. Could you get me a colloidial suspension of silver, on the rocks, with a little umbrella?" The pirate immediately draws his cutlass and runs both of his companions through like dogs with gushing sword wounds. The bartender asks the pirate, "Were they driving you nuts?" "Arrr, nay, but this steering wheel be!" says the pirate. Then we all had ice cream. The End. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 4 14:02:18 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> begin Not Erik quotation: > Then we all had ice cream. > > The End. You forgot: 8========================================D -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 4 14:15:01 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 02:02:18PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > You forgot: > > 8========================================D My God, I did! I'll have to add that to my mail-autoformatter, right after putting "LOL!" or "'nuf said!" at the end of every paragraph. All of these things will help me become a Cool Person. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon Nov 4 14:23:37 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:15:01 PST." <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:15:01 PST, Not Erik said: > All of these things will help me become a Cool Person. But then the terrorists will already have won... From aelmore at interwoven.com Mon Nov 4 12:55:59 2002 From: aelmore at interwoven.com (Andrew Elmore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20021104205559.GP61782@interwoven.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 12:38:54PM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > Why doesn't this list cover the elections? Are the undead > alien Libertarian Smurfs paying everyone to keep quiet about it? > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html Stan Jones is an inspiration to us all! I could check the 'smurf/blue' ethnicity box on paperwork! From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 4 14:54:57 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 05:23:37PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:15:01 PST, Not Erik said: > > All of these things will help me become a Cool Person. > But then the terrorists will already have won... Yes! I'll make an auto-responder with that one. And 'YHBT. YHL. HAND.' And 'ITYM i am a dumb poopie head. HTH. HAND.' And 'apt-get install python' Wow. I'm going to be so well-liked when this thing's done. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Mon Nov 4 14:55:58 2002 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <20021104205559.GP61782@interwoven.com> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> <20021104205559.GP61782@interwoven.com> Message-ID: <1036450559.21266.131603.camel@amory> On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 15:55, Andrew Elmore wrote: > On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 12:38:54PM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > > Why doesn't this list cover the elections? Are the undead > > alien Libertarian Smurfs paying everyone to keep quiet about it? > > > > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html > > Stan Jones is an inspiration to us all! I could check > the 'smurf/blue' ethnicity box on paperwork! Notice what happens when he's not pandering to the Smurf vote. http://www.mtlp.org/jones/home.htm From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Mon Nov 4 15:05:47 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank you, come again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1036451148.21266.131991.camel@amory> On Mon, 2002-11-04 at 17:54, Not Erik wrote: > > Wow. I'm going to be so well-liked when this thing's done. Don't forget: People on the replacement list would never tell a pirate joke after Mailman day. From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 4 15:07:33 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <1036450559.21266.131603.camel@amory> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> <20021104205559.GP61782@interwoven.com> <1036450559.21266.131603.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021104230733.GF25313@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 05:55:58PM -0500, Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island wrote: > Notice what happens when he's not pandering to the Smurf vote. > http://www.mtlp.org/jones/home.htm In politics, I think they call that 'waffling.' Mmmmm... blueberry waffles. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Mon Nov 4 15:14:25 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <1036451148.21266.131991.camel@amory> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <1036451148.21266.131991.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021104231425.GG25313@dasbistro.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 06:05:47PM -0500, Thank you, come again! wrote: > Don't forget: > People on the replacement list would never tell a pirate joke after > Mailman day. ...and something as stretched out and overworn as telling it _on_ Mailman Day is deemed acceptable? I'm on enough mailing lists already, thanks. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From henrik at enberg.org Mon Nov 4 15:16:53 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:54:57 -0800") References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> Not Erik writes: > Wow. I'm going to be so well-liked when this thing's done. _____ ___ _ ____ | ___/ _ \ / \ | _ \ | |_ | | | |/ _ \ | | | | | _|| |_| / ___ \| |_| | |_| \___/_/ \_\____/ ____ _____ _____ _ _ / ___|_ _| ___| | | | \___ \ | | | |_ | | | | ___) || | | _| | |_| | |____/ |_| |_| \___/ ____ _____ _____ ___ __ __ __ __ _ / ___|_ _| ___/ _ \| \/ | \/ | | | | _ | | | |_ | | | | |\/| | |\/| | | | |_| | | | | _|| |_| | | | | | | | |___ \____| |_| |_| \___/|_| |_|_| |_|_____| -- ____ ___ ____ ____ ___ ____ | __ )_ _/ ___| / ___|_ _/ ___| | _ \| | | _ \___ \| | | _ | |_) | | |_| | _ ___) | | |_| | |____/___\____| (_)____/___\____| From adam at flounder.net Mon Nov 4 15:08:11 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:16:53AM +0100, Henrik Enberg wrote: LOOK MOMMY I JUST LEARNED HOW TO USE FIGLET From henrik at enberg.org Mon Nov 4 15:35:18 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> (Adam McKenna's message of "Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:08:11 -0800") References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> Message-ID: <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> Adam McKenna writes: > LOOK MOMMY I JUST LEARNED HOW TO USE FIGLET Just? I've known how to do that that for weeks. -- Yo mama's so nasty, her tits give sour milk. From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Mon Nov 4 17:05:04 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021105010504.GA8219@columbus.rr.com> On Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 11:59:10AM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > The next Dave Barry post on this list had BETTER come from the > Berkeley-dwelling LNX-BBC developer, and not the Floridian twit > columnist or I'M CRACKIN' SKULL! Will you settle for the voice actor who specializes in Humphrey Bogart impressions? (Oh, wait, he's dead. Never mind.) -- Matthew W. Miller, Linux kiddie mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon Nov 4 17:33:31 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ARRRR! Ahoy Thar Mateys! In-Reply-To: <20021105010504.GA8219@columbus.rr.com> References: <20021104151411.GA7709@symonds.net> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021105010504.GA8219@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <200211042033.31417.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin mwmiller@columbus.rr.com's quote: | Will you settle for the voice actor who specializes in Humphrey | Bogart impressions? (Oh, wait, he's dead. Never mind.) that's necessary nowadays for a really authentic bogart impression. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Mon Nov 4 17:46:16 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021105014616.GO32188@zork.net> FINALLY ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- svanegmond@tinyplanet.ca has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From modus at as220.org Tue Nov 5 08:10:15 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org>; from henrik@enberg.org on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:35:18AM +0100 References: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> Henrik Enberg looked into the void, and said: > Adam McKenna writes: > > > LOOK MOMMY I JUST LEARNED HOW TO USE FIGLET > > Just? I've known how to do that that for weeks. Oh, by the way ... __ __ _ _ _ _ \ \ / /__ | |_ ___| | | | \ \ / / _ \| __/ _ \ | | | \ V / (_) | || __/_|_|_| \_/ \___/ \__\___(_|_|_) -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From sneakums at zork.net Tue Nov 5 07:08:07 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:10:15 -0500") References: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> Message-ID: <6un0ooawbs.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Matt Obert quotation: > Oh, by the way ... > > __ __ _ _ _ _ > \ \ / /__ | |_ ___| | | | > \ \ / / _ \| __/ _ \ | | | > \ V / (_) | || __/_|_|_| > \_/ \___/ \__\___(_|_|_) Electoral fraud really isn't my thing, ya dig? -- / | [|] Sean Neakums | Questions are a burden to others; [|] | answers a prison for oneself. \ | From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 07:57:03 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> References: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021105155703.GB29736@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Matt Obert quotation: > > Oh, by the way ... > > __ __ _ _ _ _ > \ \ / /__ | |_ ___| | | | > \ \ / / _ \| __/ _ \ | | | > \ V / (_) | || __/_|_|_| > \_/ \___/ \__\___(_|_|_) If you're incapable of remembering to vote without somebody reminding you, then please, don't vote. Also, those of you who live in California, your election has been rescheduled for tomorrow, so sleep in. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9x+pPEcl9bQ0RMt0RAvYSAKCve1BE2bI0b7YiqpwWH1zqQJFmvQCgp4ZZ IE7ku8TqbJgoofvvFf/ek/U= =gq6V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 08:23:26 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US Message-ID: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,67095,00.html "The Canadian government has issued a travel advisory with a twist: It suggests citizens born in Iraq, Syria and other countries targeted by U.S. anti-terrorism policies consider avoiding travel to the United States." - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9x/B9Ecl9bQ0RMt0RArUyAKC+cFhf0fOaqsJQQFQlPbATEv2HsACcDQlv bCXgUAYqRaJGlMfZNzX2N+Y= =zLbG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at enberg.org Tue Nov 5 08:28:30 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> (Matt Obert's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:10:15 -0500") References: <87u1ixgvhp.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> Message-ID: <87n0oougk1.fsf@enberg.org> Matt Obert writes: > __ __ _ _ _ _ > \ \ / /__ | |_ ___| | | | > \ \ / / _ \| __/ _ \ | | | > \ V / (_) | || __/_|_|_| > \_/ \___/ \__\___(_|_|_) You're a bit late. In real countries we do that on the 3rd sunday of october. -- Yo mama's so stanky, she gets sourdough yeast infections. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 5 08:39:23 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <87n0oougk1.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Henrik Enberg wrote: > You're a bit late. In real countries we do that on the 3rd sunday of > october. Oh my gosh! My country isn't real?!! That's a relief. Does that mean the Predators flying over Yemen aren't real either? From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 09:08:13 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote: | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,67095,00.html | "The Canadian government has issued a travel advisory with a twist: | It suggests citizens born in Iraq, Syria and other countries | targeted by U.S. anti-terrorism policies consider avoiding travel | to the United States." many in the united states, upon hearing the report, responded, saying, "yes! that's right! don't come here! very dangerous! stay away!" -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From jordanb at hafd.org Tue Nov 5 09:08:59 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> References: <20021104195910.GI32188@zork.net> <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021105170859.GA21457@hafd.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:10:15AM -0500, Matt Obert wrote: > Henrik Enberg looked into the void, and said: > > Adam McKenna writes: > > > > > LOOK MOMMY I JUST LEARNED HOW TO USE FIGLET > > > > Just? I've known how to do that that for weeks. > > Oh, by the way ... > > __ __ _ _ _ _ > \ \ / /__ | |_ ___| | | | > \ \ / / _ \| __/ _ \ | | | > \ V / (_) | || __/_|_|_| > \_/ \___/ \__\___(_|_|_) > I'd actually be a service to this country to compel many of the people on this list NOT to vote (especially Mac Man and the guy who gimped up Tux so he looks like he's wearing a telephone pole for a hat). -- Jordan Bettis We got a thousand points of light / For the homeless man We got a kinder, gentler / Machine gun hand We got department stores / and toilet paper Got styrofoam boxes / for the ozone layer Got a man of the people / says keep hope alive Got fuel to burn / got roads to drive. -- Neil Young From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 09:26:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:08:13 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: SM> "The Canadian government has issued a travel advisory with a SM> twist: It suggests citizens born in Iraq, Syria and other SM> countries targeted by U.S. anti-terrorism policies consider SM> avoiding travel to the United States." d> many in the united states, upon hearing the report, responded, d> saying, "yes! that's right! don't come here! very dangerous! d> stay away!" -- dep So, at issue here is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have been _disappeared_ by the American border patrol. Literally, taken into a big building somewhere and never heard from again. Not right after 9/11; some people disappeared in October of this year. When Canada officially complained ("Um... could we please have our citizens back, please?"), the US government called them soft on terrorism. "You hockey-pucks should be willing to detain your own citizens without trial, or the terrorists have already won!" The US government puts Americans and non-Americans in big boxes and never lets them go. No trial, no deportation, nothing. There are people still missing from the sweeps of _last_ October. It's not just shameful; it's probably a crime against humanity. It's Gulag Archipelago tactics. It creeps my ass out. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From scotta at iemedia.ca Tue Nov 5 09:34:43 2002 From: scotta at iemedia.ca (Scott Allan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105123135.J84203-100000@home.samurai.com> On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Mister Bad wrote: > The US government puts Americans and non-Americans in big boxes and > never lets them go. No trial, no deportation, nothing. There are > people still missing from the sweeps of _last_ October. It's not just > shameful; it's probably a crime against humanity. It's Gulag > Archipelago tactics. Although you seem to be demonstrating encouraging independant rational thinking, we reject your application for Canadian citizenship nonetheless. > It creeps my ass out. Dude, stuff is always creeping out of there! sA From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 09:35:37 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211051235.37482.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | So, at issue here is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have | been _disappeared_ by the American border patrol. Literally, taken | into a big building somewhere and never heard from again. Not right | after 9/11; some people disappeared in October of this year. | | When Canada officially complained ("Um... could we please have our | citizens back, please?"), the US government called them soft on | terrorism. "You hockey-pucks should be willing to detain your own | citizens without trial, or the terrorists have already won!" what gibbering nonsense. | The US government puts Americans and non-Americans in big boxes and | never lets them go. No trial, no deportation, nothing. There are | people still missing from the sweeps of _last_ October. It's not | just shameful; it's probably a crime against humanity. It's Gulag | Archipelago tactics. additional gibbering nonsense. | It creeps my ass out. then your ass has led too sheltered a life. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From bker at yage.net Tue Nov 5 09:46:04 2002 From: bker at yage.net (bker@yage.net) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105123135.J84203-100000@home.samurai.com> References: <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105123135.J84203-100000@home.samurai.com> Message-ID: <20021105174604.GA1026@localhost.localdomain> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:34:43PM -0500, Scott Allan wrote: > Dude, stuff is always creeping out of there! And, as might be expected, genuine concern about the American Gestapo gets typical geek treatment. Thank you, Scott Allan. You have done your stereotype justice. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 10:28:18 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 12:26:37PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > So, at issue here is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have been > _disappeared_ by the American border patrol. Literally, taken into a > big building somewhere and never heard from again. Not right after > 9/11; some people disappeared in October of this year. OK, so I'm really a news-ignoring twit. The best I can find is that Canadian citizens who were born in certain other countries must submit to fingerprinting and other sillyness before entering the U.S.. Can someone please send me a link to a news story involving the American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear? My STFW skills seem to be failing me. Or are we talking about Canadian citizens wearing "Al-Qaeda 4-Ever" tee-shirts and big blocks of C-4 strapped to their chests? In which case their disappearing gets my official seal of approval. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 10:32:08 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021105183208.GA30394@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Not Erik quotation: > > Can someone please send me a link to a news story involving the > American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear? My STFW > skills seem to be failing me. www.tinfoilhatcrowd.com - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yA6nEcl9bQ0RMt0RAq1LAJ93BjeGVv+r5/uGxViMQTKIgLs8QACgyL59 2U6NabcQxsCML2gmDOOoJ+0= =IsVY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 5 10:31:22 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] tcp port in 0 to 1000 In-Reply-To: <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2002 15:30:22 -0500") References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "mb" == Mister Bad writes: mb> What is "neq" from, anyways? I think it's, uh, pure, raw, undocumented...Classic DARREN REED. one of those ``oh, GOD!, did I say that out loud?'' config file languages. mb> Mean Ol' Man on Crackmonkey Street yeah, like, when you're watching Sesame St. from your unlocked suburban Montreal cottage, just remember it's a STREET. When people talk about kids on the street, it's those Sesame St. kids they're talking about. those, you know, ETHNIC types you find around convenience stores. Sesame Street is as hard-core an ``inner city'' street as it gets. You got the skinny furry cynical hippie dudes like Oscar the Grouch, the fat water-bottle women with no self-esteem like the snuffleopagus, the fat old exact-opposite Jewish matron like Big Bird, the Suburban Neonazis like Bert and their five-foot-tall French viva-la-revolicion lovers like Ernie, various ambulatory robotic devices like ATM machines and subway turnstiles with assertive, theatrical one-dimensional personalities, and so on. Grover: Hi, what's your name? Stick Robot: STAND CLEAR OF THE CLOSING DOORS! Grover: I'm Grover! Stick Robot: I'm L. I mean, uh, Elle. Grover: Hi, Elle! Stick Robot: Stand clear of the closing doors, Grover. Grover: okay. Hey, you want to play a game? I'll stand in the doors, and you try to close them. Stick Robot: okay. Stand clear of the.. ding. hahaha. Sta--- hahaha. DING! D-Ding. Grover: huuuu-hu-hu-hu! -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 5 10:34:21 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105123135.J84203-100000@home.samurai.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, Scott Allan wrote: > Dude, stuff is always creeping out of there! Metamucil should do the trick. Mr. Bad has been in Canadia too long, though. He's even given in to their irrational spelling. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Tue Nov 5 10:36:59 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105174604.GA1026@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Nov 2002, bker@yage.net wrote: > And, as might be expected, genuine concern about the American Gestapo gets > typical geek treatment. > Thank you, Scott Allan. You have done your stereotype justice. what list is this? > CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal attacks oh yeah. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 11:19:44 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:28:18 -0800") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> Can someone please send me a link to a news story involving NE> the American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear? Sure. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021024/USYRIM/national/national/national_temp/6/6/20/ This particular guy was found after a few weeks in Syria, where he's being interrogated by the ever-helpful Syrian police. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 5 11:34:22 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] from dave barry today In-Reply-To: <87y98983ix.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211030708.28669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87adkqtv72.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036351440.3dc577d0b7668@mail.spamcop.net> <87u1iyxxcd.fsf@pigdog.org> <1036352509.3dc57bfd5b6af@mail.spamcop.net> <877kft9ixt.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021104203854.GB21079@zgp.org> <87y98983ix.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105193422.GA15746@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Mon, Nov 04, 2002 at 03:48:38PM -0500: > DM> http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/bluecandidate_021003.html > > Wow. That dude's frickin' BLUE. Wow. http://pigdog.org/auto/y2kmadness/link/2716.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 11:36:16 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105183208.GA30394@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:32:08 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <20021105183208.GA30394@eiv.com> Message-ID: <871y5z24i7.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: NE> Can someone please send me a link to a news story involving NE> the American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear? SM> www.tinfoilhatcrowd.com SM> Now is the time we should be celebrating SM> the Constitution and the rule of SM> not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz Amen, brother. Welcome to the crowd. http://www.amnestyusa.org/usacrisis/ashcroftraids.html ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 11:38:00 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > NE> Can someone please send me a link to a news story involving > NE> the American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear? > > Sure. > > http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021024/USYRIM/national/national/national_temp/6/6/20/ No, he said the American Border Patrol making Canadian citizens disappear. This is the INS making a dual Canadian and Syrian citizen sit in jail for a while, talk a to lawyer, and then get deported to Syria, where Syria made him disappear for a while because of a crime he committed there, or rather committed by ducking to Canadia to avoid military service. We've arrested Americans for ducking to Canadia for the same thing before, what's shocking about this? It is truthful to say he's a Canadian citizen. It is equally truthful, however, to say that he's a Syrian citizen. It's equally truthful to say that he's a Syrian wanted criminal. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yB4YEcl9bQ0RMt0RAth4AJ4oU/PydeOdQcwJ87oVyrT/57SWqwCg9jXO yNIPzML7MXdiF4jfJbOCyG0= =/DHc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 11:40:43 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <871y5z24i7.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <20021105183208.GA30394@eiv.com> <871y5z24i7.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105194043.GA30713@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > Amen, brother. Welcome to the crowd. By the way, I should add that the source of the information that INS had that Arar is a terrorist was: The Royal Canadian Mounted Police. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yB67Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAki4AJ4ymjmW4Ma2LNZXklMYSwz3XKY0DQCg5j+a LuIYCOB7Rh2OUv4oOVgxqVI= =QoUJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 5 11:56:05 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105155703.GB29736@eiv.com> References: <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> <20021105155703.GB29736@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021105195605.GA8927@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > If you're incapable of remembering to vote without somebody reminding > you, then please, don't vote. http://zork.net/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016604.html > I once propounded the notion that not only is it dangerous to > buy and sell voters--but it is even more dangerous to spend > our time trying to get them into the voting booth. You know > what I'm talking about: this: "Vote as you please, but please > vote." Somehow we have the misguided idea that quantity is > important to democracy. > > I disagree--I have always preferred quality. And I think the > voters who have to be dragged from the offices, pulled from > their beds, yanked from their TV sets to get them to vote: > those are the wrong ones to be in the booth. If their > motivation is so lousy, their knowledge of the candidates and > issues must be equally lousy: I'd just as soon see them stay > in bed on election day. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From sayler at speedsite.org Tue Nov 5 07:17:11 2002 From: sayler at speedsite.org (Matthew Sayler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <6un0ooawbs.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20021104212023.GC25313@dasbistro.com> <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> <6un0ooawbs.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20021105151711.GA29812@cesum.speedsite.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 03:08:07PM +0000, Sean Neakums wrote: > Electoral fraud really isn't my thing, ya dig? What's the problem? Get convicted for felony shoplifting? Matt From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 11:56:38 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:38:00 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87r8dzzt6x.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> No, he said the American Border Patrol making Canadian SM> citizens disappear. OK, it wasn't the Border Patrol, it was the INS. SM> This is the INS making a dual Canadian and Syrian citizen sit SM> in jail for a while, talk a to lawyer, and then get deported SM> to Syria, where Syria made him disappear for a while because SM> of a crime he committed there, or rather committed by ducking SM> to Canadia to avoid military service. Actually, the guy was sent to Jordan. His family and the Canadian officials weren't informed of his deportation, and he wasn't sent to his home country, Canada, but rather to the country he fled in the 80s, Syria, through a country he has no history with, namely Jordan. SM> We've arrested Americans for ducking to Canadia for the same SM> thing before, what's shocking about this? Americans who went to Canada during the Viet Nam conflict were given blanket amnesty. Anyways, Syria's on the State Department list of 7 countries supporting terrorism. Shouldn't the USA be giving the guy a medal for avoiding military service there? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 12:00:48 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87r8dzzt6x.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> <87r8dzzt6x.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105200048.GA30840@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > Anyways, Syria's on the State Department list of 7 countries > supporting terrorism. Shouldn't the USA be giving the guy a medal for > avoiding military service there? We might have, except the Canadian Border Patrol told us he was a terrorist. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yCNwEcl9bQ0RMt0RAn0mAKDjB2BfIQ4LxrccpXFEZHZsR+YLGQCg23qO J9eNSvlY92pZDhDfwhsseos= =C08M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 12:02:07 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105195605.GA8927@zork.net> References: <20021104220218.GK32188@zork.net> <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> <20021105155703.GB29736@eiv.com> <20021105195605.GA8927@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021105200207.GA30884@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > http://zork.net/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016604.html Hmm. I skipped right over that when I was reading the archives. Now I wish I hadn't, it was interesting skimming. I'm going to make time later to read it fully. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yCO+Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAt6tAKCf1RBTkm8llQDrwGLtT7SWfiV4eQCfe6eU 5xik7j9kctB485AfHz86hIk= =y6wb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 12:07:34 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105200048.GA30840@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:00:48 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> <87r8dzzt6x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105200048.GA30840@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87n0onzsop.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> We might have, except the Canadian Border Patrol told us he SM> was a terrorist. Can you back that up? Everything I've seen says that the Canadians have no evidence of his link with the Qaeda. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 5 12:12:29 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Public Service Announcement: VOTE!!! In-Reply-To: <20021105200207.GA30884@eiv.com> References: <20021104221500.GD25313@dasbistro.com> <200211042223.gA4MNbG0027171@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20021104225457.GE25313@dasbistro.com> <877kftorh6.fsf@enberg.org> <20021104230811.GD7165@flounder.net> <871y60q56x.fsf@enberg.org> <20021105111015.A18909@as220.org> <20021105155703.GB29736@eiv.com> <20021105195605.GA8927@zork.net> <20021105200207.GA30884@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021105201229.GB8927@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > http://zork.net/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016604.html > > Hmm. I skipped right over that when I was reading the archives. > Now I wish I hadn't, it was interesting skimming. I'm going to make > time later to read it fully. Better yet, hit the used book sites and grab a copy of The Myrkin Papers. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 12:16:14 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:24 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021105201614.GA5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:38:00PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > This is the INS making a dual Canadian and Syrian citizen sit in jail > for a while, talk a to lawyer, and then get deported to Syria, where Syria > made him disappear for a while because of a crime he committed there, > or rather committed by ducking to Canadia to avoid military service. On Oct. 8, U.S. authorities deported the father of two young children for alleged terrorist ties, but his itinerary before ending up in Syria remains murky. Looks like they're claiming there's more than just draft-dodging going on. Not that I can say I 100% support this action, but a dual-citizen of Canadia and Syria with alleged terrorist ties getting possibly inordinate attention from the U.S. government has me much less shocked than if it were, say, a fifth-generation Quebecois in a deerstalker hat, on vacation from the maple-syrup factory. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 5 12:40:38 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87n0onzsop.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051208.14064.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87ela00vxu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105193800.GA30637@eiv.com> <87r8dzzt6x.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021105200048.GA30840@eiv.com> <87n0onzsop.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105204038.GA30981@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > Can you back that up? Everything I've seen says that the Canadians > have no evidence of his link with the Qaeda. It was a quote from his wife: http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/arar12.htm BTW, I don't know that the RCMP has evidence; I just think they told the US they thought he was a terrorist. Doesn't mean they had legitimate cause. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yCzGEcl9bQ0RMt0RAjHeAKD71CfJd4bwAE+3su/lcUaoWCQfGACgq8Xj Rglwx/xt0Rl74ebvNtngLoY= =W7g9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 14:07:19 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | This particular guy was found after a few weeks in Syria, where | he's being interrogated by the ever-helpful Syrian police. big fucking whoop. if the goddammed prime minister of canadia didn't announce that he'd personally like to give a blowjob to usama bin laden, he might find us more cooperative. and syria is scarcely an ally of ours. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 14:45:26 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting dep (dep@linuxandmain.com): > big fucking whoop. if the goddammed prime minister of canadia didn't > announce that he'd personally like to give a blowjob to usama bin > laden, he might find us more cooperative. and syria is scarcely an > ally of ours. This might excuse putting the _government_ of Syria in prison without trial -- which sounds like a delightful idea, actually -- but doesn't excuse putting some poor shlub who's merely _from_ there in prison without trial, without being accused of anything, and in secret. (News flash, Powell: Quite a lot of people from Syria are here rather than there because they're refugees or dissidents from the Assad regime.) And the real pity of it, from my viewpoint as a taxpayer, is that this dicking around playing at secret police is a _substitute_ for competent police and espionage work -- which I doubt the FBI remembers how to do. Or haven't you noticed that nobody who was in charge on 2001-09-11 has been sacked or even so much as tongue-lashed? -- Cheers, Bad Unabomber! Rick Moen Blowing people all to hell. rick@linuxmafia.com Do you take requests? -- Unabomber Haiku Contest, CyberLaw mailing list From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 15:01:25 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Rick Moen's quote: |(News flash, Powell: Quite a lot of people from | Syria are here rather than there because they're refugees or | dissidents from the Assad regime.) correct. and in that they have not been rounded up and sent back to syria, the evidence suggests that something more is required for that treatment to be administered. | And the real pity of it, from my viewpoint as a taxpayer, is that | this dicking around playing at secret police is a _substitute_ for | competent police and espionage work -- which I doubt the FBI | remembers how to do. Or haven't you noticed that nobody who was in | charge on 2001-09-11 has been sacked or even so much as | tongue-lashed? i largely agree; though i am not privy, as apparently you are, as to who has been lashed or not and with what. mueller hadn't unpacked his boxes at fbi headquarters, and the cia had been forbidden by the previous administration to get information from bad people -- kind of like prosecutors being prohibited from making deals with people who have criminal records. the little fireworks this week involving the predator and the hellfire, though, suggests that the rebuilding of our capacity in that regard is underway. i agree with your appraisal of the government of syria; as was noted when syria signed on to the anti-terrorism stuff following sept. 11 their having done so was "because the government of syria can easily imagine damascus in flames." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 15:21:03 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting dep (dep@linuxandmain.com): > correct. and in that they have not been rounded up and sent back to > syria, the evidence suggests that something more is required for that > treatment to be administered. There _might_ be something to that. But this level of evidence (1) is pretty vapourous in light of the news blackout, and (2) assumes FBI competence. I'll consider believing the latter after the Hoover FBI Building gets renamed the John P. O'Neill FBI Building -- as it should be. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/ -- "Is it not the beauty of an asynchronous form of discussion that one can go and make cups of tea, floss the cat, fluff the geraniums, open the kitchen window and scream out it with operatic force, volume, and decorum, and then return to the vexed glowing letters calmer of mind and soul?" -- The Cube, forum3000.org From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 15:17:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 02:45:26PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting dep (dep@linuxandmain.com): > This might excuse putting the _government_ of Syria in prison without > trial -- which sounds like a delightful idea, actually -- but doesn't > excuse putting some poor shlub who's merely _from_ there in prison Well, not merely from there. They claim he's drinking buddies with Al Quaeda or something similar. > without trial, without being accused of anything, and in secret. (News ...accused of playing Dungeons and Dragons with Usama Bin Laden. In a metaphorical way. Without trial? It seems that way, and that sucks. But if you think the American court system is really the benchmark for justice, I'm quite concerned about your grip on reality. > flash, Powell: Quite a lot of people from Syria are here rather than > there because they're refugees or dissidents from the Assad regime.) Agreed, and I think Powell agrees too, which is why Syrians aren't being rounded up and shot by the truckload. > And the real pity of it, from my viewpoint as a taxpayer, is that this > dicking around playing at secret police is a _substitute_ for competent How secret is it? If the U.S. government wanted someone to disappear in quiet, I think they know how to do it. > police and espionage work -- which I doubt the FBI remembers how to do. I know. When Mulder and Scully were chasing that psychic vampire around the city, they actually let the cameras from COPS follow them around. Too much showboating, guys, and not enough gumshoeing! > Or haven't you noticed that nobody who was in charge on 2001-09-11 has > been sacked or even so much as tongue-lashed? Haven't. But can I just point out that I always thought tongue-lashing meant something completely different? -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 15:28:56 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:17:23 -0800") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> ...accused of playing Dungeons and Dragons with Usama Bin NE> Laden. In a metaphorical way. Accused but not proven. Which is kind of the main problem. When people can be detained indefinitely because of suspicion and accusation, you've got a problem. Now, this isn't unconstitutional, per se, when you're dealing with non-citizens. US courts have pretty much upheld rather regularly the idea that non-citizens don't get the same due-process protection as citizens. But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. NE> Without trial? It seems that way, and that sucks. But if you NE> think the American court system is really the benchmark for NE> justice, I'm quite concerned about your grip on reality. So, therefore, it probably makes a teensy bit of sense for Canada to tell its Arab citizens to think twice about coming to the USA, right? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 15:42:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 03:21:03PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > There _might_ be something to that. But this level of evidence (1) is > pretty vapourous in light of the news blackout, and (2) assumes FBI > competence. Bit of a gear-shift, if I may. There seem to be two camps regarding the lack of news releases about counter-terrorist activities: one which believes anything, or at least most things happening behind closed doors to be acts of evil of one sort or another (why hide something you're proud of?), and another which seems to be a lot more forgiving, even in the face of some evidence to the contrary, to the extent that they'd allow the government to trample more rights than ever before, as long as they saw "Well, we have a good reason, we're just not going to tell you what it is." Which side does one take? Of those people whose political affiliations I know, the polarization seems to be a lot more predictable than I would normally expect. If you don't like the president, or the U.S. government in general (for you furriners out there), it's all Gestapo-this and Gulag-that, while Bush supporters seem to want to give him more leeway. I'm not stepping forward and calling myself a Bush supporter by any stretch of the imagination, since I'm actually undecided regarding how well the government is doing with the terrorist problem, but I've been trying as hard as I can to understand, through questioning, the position of those opposed to most U.S. action, which seems to be a quite vocal voice in this forum. But my question is this: which is the more rational opinion, one which, in the absence of evidence accuses the U.S. government of Nazi-esque atrocities, or one which actually allows them leeway to do a couple of not-very-cool things on the assumption that it will only happen to the bad guys? I think everyone's gone fucking crazy if you ask me. > I'll consider believing the latter after the Hoover FBI Building gets > renamed the John P. O'Neill FBI Building -- as it should be. If the FBI building is no longer named after a cross-dresser, I don't think I have to tell you who's already won. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 15:54:50 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Well, not merely from there. They claim he's drinking buddies with Al > Quaeda or something similar. I'm sure the evidence is in the same box as that list of the 57 communists in the State Department, and Whitaker Chambers's typewriter. > How secret is it? You tell me. Show me the dockets, the charges, and the trial transcripts. Then, we could assess whether this is just harrassment of convenient scapegoats on administrative whims, to distract from the lack of substantive investigative work by making the Feds look busy. -- Cheers, "Send a policeman, and have it arrested." Rick Moen -- Otto von Bismarck, when asked what he rick@linuxmafia.com would do if the British Army landed. From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 15:49:42 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <200211051849.43125.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Rick Moen's quote: | There _might_ be something to that. But this level of evidence (1) | is pretty vapourous in light of the news blackout, and (2) assumes | FBI competence. there's bound to be a substantial news blackout if the kind of espionage and countermeasures we agree are needed are to succeed. i largely agree as to the fbi having become less than what it should be. | I'll consider believing the latter after the Hoover FBI Building | gets renamed the John P. O'Neill FBI Building -- as it should be. | http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/ i could not agree more. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 15:54:14 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mister Bad's quote: | So, therefore, it probably makes a teensy bit of sense for Canada | to tell its Arab citizens to think twice about coming to the USA, | right? right. in fact, i think that for their own safety they should make sure that no one who we think might seek to do us harm is allowed by the canadians to cross into the u.s. then everyone's happy. though i think it is worth noting that your earlier "So, at issue here is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have been _disappeared_ by the American border patrol. Literally, taken into a big building somewhere and never heard from again. Not right after 9/11; some people disappeared in October of this year" has dissolved into one guy at an airport who was sent to syria, where he has by your own account been heard from again. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 15:56:04 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021105235604.GE5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:28:56PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > Accused but not proven. Which is kind of the main problem. When people > can be detained indefinitely because of suspicion and accusation, > you've got a problem. True. Not unprecedented in cases like espionage, but a problem when it's much more vague accusations. > Now, this isn't unconstitutional, per se, when you're dealing with > non-citizens. US courts have pretty much upheld rather regularly the > idea that non-citizens don't get the same due-process protection as > citizens. > > But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. Sucks, definitely. I just am concerned about all of the hyperbole surrounding these activities. What's really happening sucks, and it doesn't help convince me to tell me that Uncle Sam is drowning puppies. > So, therefore, it probably makes a teensy bit of sense for Canada to > tell its Arab citizens to think twice about coming to the USA, right? I never said that was a bad idea. They should have had a travel advisory some time ago. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From dep at linuxandmain.com Tue Nov 5 15:55:29 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211051855.29531.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Not Erik's quote: | If the FBI building is no longer named after a cross-dresser, I | don't think I have to tell you who's already won. really? they call it the mosfet building? -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 16:01:36 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > But my question is this: which is the more rational opinion, one > which, in the absence of evidence accuses the U.S. government of > Nazi-esque atrocities, or one which actually allows them leeway to do > a couple of not-very-cool things on the assumption that it will only > happen to the bad guys? Casually suspending the writ of habeas corpus and holding people for indefinite terms in secret without charges is not "leeway to do a couple of not-very-cool things". And there's not even been any showing of _benefit_ from that. Meanwhile, the Feds completely _ignore_ qualified experts on relevant fields such as computer security, while pursuing clueless pork-barrel projects like facial-recognition programs in airports. Look up what Bruce Schneier has to say on the complete failure of the Feds to apply common sense to such questions. -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From kra at monkey.org Tue Nov 5 16:03:29 2002 From: kra at monkey.org (Karl Anderson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: dep's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:01:25 -0500" References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: dep writes: > begin Rick Moen's quote: > > |(News flash, Powell: Quite a lot of people from > | Syria are here rather than there because they're refugees or > | dissidents from the Assad regime.) > > correct. and in that they have not been rounded up You know who's been rounded up, or how many? Sell that story to the papers! Anyway, they *were* rounded up recently, but only for interrogation. I don't think any were held. But, again, nobody knows. > and sent back to > syria, the evidence suggests that something more is required for that > treatment to be administered. Sent back to Syria, no, we'd be notified when that happened. -- Karl Anderson kra@monkey.org http://www.monkey.org/~kra/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 16:15:55 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 03:54:50PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > > How secret is it? > You tell me. Show me the dockets, the charges, and the trial > transcripts. Then, we could assess whether this is just harrassment of > convenient scapegoats on administrative whims, to distract from the lack > of substantive investigative work by making the Feds look busy. Wait, are we talking about secret trials? I thought we were talking about secret police activities. And I reject your argument. It's like telling me to prove aliens didn't give you the ol' anal probe. I can't prove it, but that doesn't mean it's true, necessarily. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 16:15:17 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:54:14 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> right. in fact, i think that for their own safety they should d> make sure that no one who we think might seek to do us harm is d> allowed by the canadians to cross into the u.s. Well, it's a definition of "we" here. I personally don't think everyone of Arab descent wishes to do the US harm. In fact, I think that people who think that are doing harm to the US. d> though i think it is worth noting that your earlier "So, at d> issue here is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have been d> _disappeared_ by the American border patrol. Literally, taken d> into a big building somewhere and never heard from again. Not d> right after 9/11; some people disappeared in October of this d> year" has dissolved into one guy at an airport who was sent to d> syria, where he has by your own account been heard from again. OK, well, at one point he was not heard from. He has since been heard from. Happy? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 16:22:16 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:01:36PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Casually suspending the writ of habeas corpus and holding people for > indefinite terms in secret without charges is not "leeway to do a couple > of not-very-cool things". And there's not even been any showing of > _benefit_ from that. My knowledge of the law is very little. I assume foreign nationals in a state of war or whatever are entitled to hear what they're being held on. But in the scale of shitty things governments can do, I'll say it's on the small side. > Meanwhile, the Feds completely _ignore_ qualified experts on relevant > fields such as computer security, while pursuing clueless pork-barrel > projects like facial-recognition programs in airports. Look up what > Bruce Schneier has to say on the complete failure of the Feds to apply > common sense to such questions. Computer security: you're right. Facial recognition: you're right. Bruce Schneier: he's generally right. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 16:25:00 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:15:17PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > Well, it's a definition of "we" here. I personally don't think > everyone of Arab descent wishes to do the US harm. In fact, I think > that people who think that are doing harm to the US. For some reason, I'm reminded of the Dormouse from Alice in Wonderland. Dunno why. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 16:25:25 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106002525.GK3751@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:01:36PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Meanwhile, the Feds completely _ignore_ qualified experts on relevant > fields such as computer security, while pursuing clueless pork-barrel > projects like facial-recognition programs in airports. Look up what > Bruce Schneier has to say on the complete failure of the Feds to apply > common sense to such questions. I thought that was only in Fresno. Who flies to Fresno. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 16:55:49 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:22:16 -0800") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> My knowledge of the law is very little. I assume foreign NE> nationals in a state of war or whatever are entitled to hear NE> what they're being held on. We're in a state of war? Since when? Are you talking about the War on Terrorism? Is that an actual war? What about the War on Drugs? Is that a war? Should anyone in a Nirvana t-shirt be detained indefinitely without trial? Isn't "War on X" just a rhetorical way of saying, "We are against X"? Especially if X is something kind of abstract, like "Terrorism", "Drugs", "Poverty", or "Litter"? I mean, it's not the same thing as a _real_ war. We can't take over the capital of Litter, and force the leaders to sue for terms, and accept their unconditional surrender, can we? I'm not saying that Terrorism is this great thing, or that we shouldn't hate it real bad. I am against the Terrorism! Boo terrorism! But we shouldn't confuse the set of military and police actions that are grouped under the rubric of "War on Terrorism" as a real _war_. I mean, even if you consider the War on Terrorism to be a _real_ war, are you really willing to give the government carte blanche to act immorally "for the duration"? "Oh, it's OK to detain people without due process, just till the end of this darn War on Terrorism." We're not in a state of war with any Arab nation, with the possible exception of Iraq, and I'm pretty fuzzy on that one. Being a national of an Arab nation does not make people the enemy. Being a terrorist makes someone the enemy. If we're going to blanket anyone who's from a country where terrorists may come from, we should pick on the Japanese (Japanese Red Army), the Germans (Bader-Meinhof Gang), the Italians (Red Brigades), etc. Hell, nobody from Montana or Michigan should be allowed to leave their homes. Or maybe we could hold that people aren't guilty by association, especially the kind of loose association as nationality or skin color. Citizenship in a hostile country is one thing -- NE> But in the scale of shitty things governments can do, I'll say NE> it's on the small side. Weird. I'd say it's on the really big side. Wrongful arrests are one of the worst things a government can do. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 16:58:20 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 16:25:00 -0800") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <8765vbzf83.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: Me> Well, it's a definition of "we" here. I personally don't think Me> everyone of Arab descent wishes to do the US harm. In fact, I Me> think that people who think that are doing harm to the US. NE> For some reason, I'm reminded of the Dormouse from Alice in NE> Wonderland. Dunno why. Me either. Expand the reference, please. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 17:00:28 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> (Mister Bad's message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:55:49 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <871y5zzf4j.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MB" == Mister Bad writes: MB> Citizenship in a hostile country is one thing -- ...and citizenship in a country where hostile people have come from is something else. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 17:26:36 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:55:49PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: > > We're in a state of war? Since when? Are you talking about the War on > Terrorism? Is that an actual war? What about the War on Drugs? Is that > a war? Should anyone in a Nirvana t-shirt be detained indefinitely > without trial? I'm not talking about canonical use of the term "war on X". I thought war was declared, even if on such a nebulous thing as "terrorism." Additionally, I said "a state of war or whatever" because it's kind of a dubious state, but one with rules. As for Nirvana T-shirts, yes, probably. > Isn't "War on X" just a rhetorical way of saying, "We are against X"? > Especially if X is something kind of abstract, like "Terrorism", > "Drugs", "Poverty", or "Litter"? I mean, it's not the same thing as a > _real_ war. We can't take over the capital of Litter, and force the > leaders to sue for terms, and accept their unconditional surrender, > can we? No. It's a bogus and stupid kind of declaration, but one with an effect. So it's not a war that can be won. We've done that before. > I'm not saying that Terrorism is this great thing, or that we > shouldn't hate it real bad. I am against the Terrorism! Boo terrorism! > But we shouldn't confuse the set of military and police actions that > are grouped under the rubric of "War on Terrorism" as a real _war_. Everyone: Mr. Bad digs terrorists. I knew it would come to this. > I mean, even if you consider the War on Terrorism to be a _real_ war, > are you really willing to give the government carte blanche to act > immorally "for the duration"? "Oh, it's OK to detain people without > due process, just till the end of this darn War on Terrorism." I think the problem is that carte blanche has been given, and will continue until people somehow feel safe from this threat, which they probably never will, and that sucks. But I guess I'm trying to look at the specific atrocities rather than the potential ones. > We're not in a state of war with any Arab nation, with the possible > exception of Iraq, and I'm pretty fuzzy on that one. Being a national > of an Arab nation does not make people the enemy. Being a terrorist > makes someone the enemy. And again, we haven't been rounding up Arabs and shooting them. The gubment's been getting a little trigger-happy detaining certain foreign nationals on the suspicion that they might be involved with terrorism, which I personally feel is OK to an extent. I don't think anyone here actually believes that all Arabs are terrorists. I hope you don't think I'm under that impression. > If we're going to blanket anyone who's from a country where terrorists > may come from, we should pick on the Japanese (Japanese Red Army), the > Germans (Bader-Meinhof Gang), the Italians (Red Brigades), etc. Hell, > nobody from Montana or Michigan should be allowed to leave their homes. Again, it's not everyone from those nations. One Canadian guy got deported and some people on weird visas are being sent home. People who come from the same background as most Muslim terrorists are being regarded with higher scrutiny. > Or maybe we could hold that people aren't guilty by association, > especially the kind of loose association as nationality or skin > color. Citizenship in a hostile country is one thing -- They claimed they had some kind of proof that this guy had terrorist ties, _NOT_ that they just did it because he was of Syrian origin. We're talking about one person here. If nationality was all they were going by, we'd be talking about a lot more people. > NE> But in the scale of shitty things governments can do, I'll say > NE> it's on the small side. > Weird. I'd say it's on the really big side. Wrongful arrests are one > of the worst things a government can do. I thought the really big side was things like genocide, gulag, slave camps, torture, etc.. It is a nation's perogative who they let travel over their soil. They deported this guy after interrogation. It's not like they plucked his eyes out and shit on his head. I'm not saying they did the right thing. Just that they didn't do some of the things people are saying they did. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 17:37:14 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <8765vbzf83.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> <8765vbzf83.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106013713.GL5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:58:20PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: > NE> For some reason, I'm reminded of the Dormouse from Alice in > NE> Wonderland. Dunno why. > > Me either. Expand the reference, please. Not the dormouse specifically. There was just a discussion in the book about, for example, if when you breathe when you sleep it's the same thing as you sleeping when you breathe. There's a failure in reasoning happening. Al Qaeda are all Muslims != Muslims are all Al Qaeda (for example) The original quote: Well, it's a definition of "we" here. I personally don't think everyone of Arab descent wishes to do the US harm. In fact, I think that people who think that are doing harm to the US. What I said about the dormouse wasn't argumentative... just a kind of stream-of-unconsciousness thing. The above simply reminded me of that. I'll look for a quote from the book if I get a chance to. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 5 17:49:29 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:54:14 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "d" == dep writes: d> for their own safety they should make sure that no one who we d> think might seek to do us harm is allowed by the canadians to d> cross into the u.s. but what if they're, you know, hot. like Sarah Polley for example. She's a communist. I don't like your regime at all, ``dep'', if that even is your name. From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 18:10:01 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > My knowledge of the law is very little. I assume foreign nationals in > a state of war or whatever are entitled to hear what they're being > held on. (1) The USA's most recent declaration of war was ratified by the Senate in December, 1941. Authority for martial law under that resolution is distinctly rusty. (2) The issue isn't whether or when _they_ would hear, just prior to being cast into the Federal oubliette, but rather whether or when the _rest_ of us would hear. The Bush Junta's ceasing to even provide the _numbers_ of such persons held is bloody well damning, I think. (3) Further, no, the few accounts that have emerged suggest that people are being held without charge. > But in the scale of shitty things governments can do, I'll say it's on > the small side. Oh? With the aforementioned information blackout, how do you even know what scale it's on? -- Cheers, Live Faust, die Jung. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 18:30:41 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > I thought war was declared, even if on such a nebulous thing as > "terrorism." There was a pathetic joint resolution purporting to declare a state of war between the USA and "(1) any entity that committed the acts of international terrorism against the United States on September 11, 2001; (2) any country or entity that has provided support or protection for any entity described in paragraph 1; (3) any entity that commits any other acts of international terrorism against the United States or its territories, possessions, or installations; and (4) any country or entity that provides support or protection for any entity described in paragraph (3)." Towards this end, the Bush Junta was authorised to use "entire naval and military forces of the United States and the resources of the Government" to wage war against such governments and organisations. _If_ you concede such a joke-shop resolution to be a proper Article I, Section 8 declaration of war (which I most certainly do not), then throwing people secretly in prison indefinitely without trial or charges is not "warfare" of any sort _I've_ heard of. Or at least it's warfare that's completely indistinguishable from the Federal government running off the rails. I'm also curious as to whether this alleged "war" is any less indefinite than the prison terms: Ordinarily, truce or treaty terminates a declaration of war. This pseudo-war appears specifically intended to be eternal. -- Cheers, "That article and its poster have been cancelled." Rick Moen -- David B. O'Donnel, sysadmin for America Online rick@linuxmafia.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 5 18:25:46 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106022546.GE8927@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > And the real pity of it, from my viewpoint as a taxpayer, is that > this dicking around playing at secret police is a _substitute_ for > competent police and espionage work -- which I doubt the FBI > remembers how to do. Or haven't you noticed that nobody who was in > charge on 2001-09-11 has been sacked or even so much as > tongue-lashed? YOU ARE INSENSITIVE TO THEIR LOSS! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 18:27:40 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:10:01PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > (1) The USA's most recent declaration of war was ratified by the Senate > in December, 1941. Authority for martial law under that resolution is > distinctly rusty. (see above re: 'war or whatever' -- the claimed state is dubious, yes.) Didn't I hear someone say at some point that war was possible without a formal ratified declaration? I could be imagining it. Happens all the time. > (2) The issue isn't whether or when _they_ would hear, just prior to > being cast into the Federal oubliette, but rather whether or when the > _rest_ of us would hear. The Bush Junta's ceasing to even provide > the _numbers_ of such persons held is bloody well damning, I think. Guess I thought a writ of hapbeas corpus meant knowing what you were charged with. > (3) Further, no, the few accounts that have emerged suggest that people > are being held without charge. Are we talking about the "enemy combatants," or about the guy from Canadia/Syria? > > But in the scale of shitty things governments can do, I'll say it's on > > the small side. > > Oh? With the aforementioned information blackout, how do you even know > what scale it's on? I'm trying (yes, and sometimes failing) to refrain from speaking on wild speculation. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 18:47:31 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Didn't I hear someone say at some point that war was possible without > a formal ratified declaration? Sure, no problem! Just ignore the Constitution. By the way, what war? > Guess I thought a writ of hapbeas corpus meant knowing what you were > charged with. The writ of habeas corpus is a court order to produce a prisoner and either charge & try him or let him go. It's the traditional common-law weapon against being held without due process. > Are we talking about the "enemy combatants," or about the guy from > Canadia/Syria? You tell _me_. Oh, wait, you can't: There's an information blackout. We know that there were thousands (of unstated persons, held for unstated reasons without charge, for an unspecified term) at first, when this whole affair was just getting going. Then an information void. Get it? -- Cheers, The difference between common sense and paranoia is that common sense Rick Moen is thinking everyone is out to get you. That's normal; they are. rick@linuxmafia.com Paranoia is thinking they're conspiring. -- J. Kegler From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 18:52:43 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Wait, are we talking about secret trials? Look, sparky, the whole _thing_ is star-chamber. > And I reject your argument. Well, that'll tell _me_. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 18:47:53 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:30:41PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > There was a pathetic joint resolution purporting to declare a state of > war between the USA and "(1) any entity that committed the acts of > international terrorism against the United States on September 11, 2001; > (2) any country or entity that has provided support or protection for > any entity described in paragraph 1; (3) any entity that commits any > other acts of international terrorism against the United States or its > territories, possessions, or installations; and (4) any country or > entity that provides support or protection for any entity described in > paragraph (3)." Hmm. Sounds clear to me. Is the pathetic part that it wasn't against a particular nation? > Towards this end, the Bush Junta was authorised to use "entire naval and ~~~~~ ha ha Junta. I hate Bush. Let's call him a dictator. W00! > military forces of the United States and the resources of the > Government" to wage war against such governments and organisations. Uh huh. State of war. Use of military. Check. > _If_ you concede such a joke-shop resolution to be a proper Article I, > Section 8 declaration of war (which I most certainly do not), then I hear some people do. Dunno. I'm not a lawyer and I don't pretend to be one, so I guess I have no valid opinion on the matter. > throwing people secretly in prison indefinitely without trial or charges ~~~~~~~~ Again, secretly meaning what? Like we don't let CNN in, or like we don't know they're imprisoned, or do you mean we don't have all of their names? They have charges. They're vague and lame. I'm sure there have been no trials. (that's me agreeing) > is not "warfare" of any sort _I've_ heard of. Or at least it's warfare Warfare, in the most general sense, is killing people. So no, not warfare by that definition. But in the process of warfare I have always assumed some people got imprisoned so that either a) you wouldn't have to kill them, or b) you would be able to kill more of their friends. > that's completely indistinguishable from the Federal government running > off the rails. Agreed. Government behavior in wartime is scary. > I'm also curious as to whether this alleged "war" is any less indefinite > than the prison terms: Ordinarily, truce or treaty terminates a > declaration of war. This pseudo-war appears specifically intended to be > eternal. I agree. That's the part that really bugs me-- that we have to believe in the end of this as an act of faith. I think if the people who wrote it intended for it to end they would have written it in. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 18:55:37 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:47:31PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > > Didn't I hear someone say at some point that war was possible without > > a formal ratified declaration? > > Sure, no problem! Just ignore the Constitution. > > By the way, what war? Crap! I think we just addressed this in another thread. > > Guess I thought a writ of hapbeas corpus meant knowing what you were > > charged with. > > The writ of habeas corpus is a court order to produce a prisoner and > either charge & try him or let him go. It's the traditional common-law > weapon against being held without due process. ...which doesn't apply to acts of war, like so many other so-called unalienable rights. But that whole issue seems to hinge upon whether the people are being held on acts of war. > > Are we talking about the "enemy combatants," or about the guy from > > Canadia/Syria? > > You tell _me_. Oh, wait, you can't: There's an information blackout. NO GODDAMNIT!!!1!1!11!! Oh, damn, I popped a blood vessel. I'll say it again, with emphasis: Are ->_WE_<- talking about the "enemy combatants," or about the guy from Canadia/Syria? > We know that there were thousands (of unstated persons, held for > unstated reasons without charge, for an unspecified term) at first, when > this whole affair was just getting going. Then an information void. > Get it? So ->_WE_<- are talking about the prisoners at Guantanamo now, rather than the Canadian/Syrian guy we were talking about when this thread started, then? -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 19:03:10 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106030310.GS23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > Uh huh. State of war. Use of military. Check. You reading along with your mouth open, kid? > Again, secretly meaning what? What part of information blackout are you not understanding? Names? Charges? Court dockets? _Even summary information?_ > Agreed. Government behavior in wartime is scary. What war? > I agree. That's the part that really bugs me-- that we have to > believe in the end of this as an act of faith. And Tinkerbell gets better when you applaud. I believe we're done, chuckles. From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 19:00:16 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:52:43PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > > Wait, are we talking about secret trials? > Look, sparky, the whole _thing_ is star-chamber. Right. And because I am unable to prove it isn't, it has to be true. > > And I reject your argument. > Well, that'll tell _me_. I've learned that you just can't tell some people they're being pig-headed and irrational. I'm sure you must feel the same way. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 19:09:29 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106030310.GS23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106030310.GS23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106030929.GQ5324@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:03:10PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Not Erik (squinky@dasbistro.com): > > Uh huh. State of war. Use of military. Check. > You reading along with your mouth open, kid? Just making sure I understand what you're saying. We're using the military to follow up on a war declaration. You're right. That's so wrong. > > Again, secretly meaning what? > > What part of information blackout are you not understanding? Names? > Charges? Court dockets? _Even summary information?_ The reason I ask is because they _claim_ some of that information is sensitive to the operation. I think it's possible that that's a bunch of crap, but I also think it's possible that it's true. > > Agreed. Government behavior in wartime is scary. > > What war? Quoting you: There was a pathetic joint resolution purporting to declare a state of war between the USA and "(1) any entity that committed the acts of international terrorism against the United States on September 11, 2001; (2) any country or entity that has provided support or protection for any entity described in paragraph 1; (3) any entity that commits any other acts of international terrorism against the United States or its territories, possessions, or installations; and (4) any country or entity that provides support or protection for any entity described in paragraph (3)." That war. Other than you calling it pathetic, I have honestly yet to hear why that doesn't qualify as war. > > I agree. That's the part that really bugs me-- that we have to > > believe in the end of this as an act of faith. > > And Tinkerbell gets better when you applaud. > > I believe we're done, chuckles. Oh, how cute. I pissed off Rick Moen to the point where he can't tell when I agree with him. That's precious. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From carlos at laviola.org Tue Nov 5 19:00:47 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:54:14PM -0500, dep wrote: > though i think it is worth noting that your earlier "So, at issue here > is the fact that Canadians of Arab origin have been _disappeared_ by > the American border patrol. Literally, taken into a big building > somewhere and never heard from again. Not right after 9/11; some > people disappeared in October of this year" has dissolved into one > guy at an airport who was sent to syria, where he has by your own > account been heard from again. You know, risking sounding too malicious, I think such cases are generally not all over the media because of it's general idontgiveashitnessy about some immigrants with the wrong biotype. I think I heard something about alleged terrorists being held in a US base in Cuba so that they can't get any sort of constitutional protection or something. Bah. -- Carlos Laviola From jeremym at loonix.org Tue Nov 5 19:26:24 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021106032623.GA15345@pug.chroot.net> On Wed Nov 06, 2002 at 01:00:47AM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > You know, risking sounding too malicious, I think such cases are > generally not all over the media because of it's general > idontgiveashitnessy about some immigrants with the wrong biotype. I > think I heard something about alleged terrorists being held in a US base > in Cuba so that they can't get any sort of constitutional protection or > something. What constitutional protection? They're Afghans, not real people. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Tue Nov 5 19:27:04 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank you, come again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 22:00, Not Erik wrote: > I've learned that you just can't tell some people they're being > pig-headed and irrational. I'm sure you must feel the same way. You'll have to try harder. Subtlety was dispensed with long ago. http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Nov 5 19:34:35 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:26:24 EST." <20021106032623.GA15345@pug.chroot.net> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> <20021106032623.GA15345@pug.chroot.net> Message-ID: <200211060334.gA63YZGc014527@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:26:24 EST, Jeremy McLeod said: > On Wed Nov 06, 2002 at 01:00:47AM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > > You know, risking sounding too malicious, I think such cases are > > generally not all over the media because of it's general > > idontgiveashitnessy about some immigrants with the wrong biotype. I > > think I heard something about alleged terrorists being held in a US base > > in Cuba so that they can't get any sort of constitutional protection or > > something. > > What constitutional protection? They're Afghans, not real people. Right, and they're at Guantanamo Bay because if we brought them to US soil, we'd have to treat them like people... From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 19:42:21 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> References: <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Thank you, come again! (helpdesk@fuck-everything.org): > You'll have to try harder. Subtlety was dispensed with long ago. > http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html That actually more than made my day, when he posted that. I've gotten more fan mail over Bernstein calling me names and attributing to me claims I've never said than from anything else -- including from the OpenBSD core maintainers. Go, Dan! -- Cheers, "We're sorry; you have reached an imaginary number. Rick Moen Please rotate your 'phone ninety degrees and try again." rick@linuxmafia.com From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Tue Nov 5 19:49:26 2002 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211060334.gA63YZGc014527@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> <20021106032623.GA15345@pug.chroot.net> <200211060334.gA63YZGc014527@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <1036554566.17647.16875.camel@amory> On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 22:34, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:26:24 EST, Jeremy McLeod said: > > What constitutional protection? They're Afghans, not real people. > > Right, and they're at Guantanamo Bay because if we brought them to US soil, > we'd have to treat them like people... Is it wise to store terrorists in Guantanamo Bay? If they escape from Cuba and arrive in Florida they'll be US citizens! From jeremym at loonix.org Tue Nov 5 19:53:58 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <1036554566.17647.16875.camel@amory> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021106030047.GA939@laviola.org> <20021106032623.GA15345@pug.chroot.net> <200211060334.gA63YZGc014527@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <1036554566.17647.16875.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021106035358.GB15345@pug.chroot.net> On Tue Nov 05, 2002 at 10:49:26PM -0500, Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 22:34, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 22:26:24 EST, Jeremy McLeod said: > > > What constitutional protection? They're Afghans, not real people. > > > > Right, and they're at Guantanamo Bay because if we brought them to US soil, > > we'd have to treat them like people... > > Is it wise to store terrorists in Guantanamo Bay? If they escape from > Cuba and arrive in Florida they'll be US citizens! Thank the Good Lord Jeb Bush got reelected! He'll take care of _that_ little problem. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From carton at Ivy.NET Tue Nov 5 19:51:45 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 18:47:53 -0800") References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ne" == Not Erik writes: ne> secretly meaning what? Like we don't let CNN in, or like we ne> don't know they're imprisoned, or do you mean we don't have ne> all of their names? wow, you really believe this whack-ass shit, don't you? You had me rolling on the floor with your ``the way I reckon, therz two kinds a people'' impression---I could just imagine some old farmer-dude sitting on the porch ready to burst into barking about the Final Solution to the Islamist Fundamentalist Problem. I had no clue until like, forty messages later that you were trying to be SERIOUS! That's...sad, dude. We're your buddies, and you can count on us to look out for you when things get confusing. We're here for ya. We'll keep listening to the wind, and we'll try to save a seat on the speedboat for you when it's time to, you know, get de fuck out. but, please don't vote, okay? I'm sorry---I had no idea you were this dumb, or I wouldn't have made fun of you like that. I'm really sorry. But it's all okay now---don't worry about it! From jasonp at uq.net.au Tue Nov 5 20:13:37 2002 From: jasonp at uq.net.au (Jason Parker-Burlingham) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> Not Erik writes: > So ->_WE_<- are talking about the prisoners at Guantanamo now, rather > than the Canadian/Syrian guy we were talking about when this thread > started, then? Timothy Edgar, a Legislative Counsel for ACLU, says illegal and legal immigrants are being held in INS detention. I heard him speak at a fund-raiser a little over a month ago. Basically the situation is this. Normally if an immigrant is arrested they have to come before a judge within 24 hours. Under the PATRIOT Act this has been extended to 48 hours. If the judge rules that there is no cause to hold the person, they should be let go. What happens *now* is that the government appeals the judge's decision, and Attornery-General Ashcroft is the ultimate arbiter from then on. This provides a way for the immigrant to be held without charge (note that immigrants can and are routinely hauled up for small-time stuff like not having filed forms correctly[1], or not having their immigration information on their person at all times). Holding people indefinitely (there are also hints of racial profiling still going on), sometimes on secret evidence (ask someone from France about the `secret file') and without cause isn't something a democratic republic should be doing, terrorists or no terrorists. [1] : The amount of paperwork involved in doing anything with INS is amazing. -- ||----|---|------------|--|-------|------|-----------|-#---|-|--|------|| | ``It's just a big electric typewriter.'' | | | ||--|--------|--------------|----|-------------|------|---------|-----|-| From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 20:24:55 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:25 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:51:45PM -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: > wow, you really believe this whack-ass shit, don't you? You had me I guess that depends on which whack-ass shit you're accusing me of believing. > rolling on the floor with your ``the way I reckon, therz two kinds a > people'' impression---I could just imagine some old farmer-dude Well the only people who speak on the matter seem to be people who think GWB is Adolf Hitler or people who think he's Mother Fucking Theresa. My question is who has the worse point of view. But since I don't agree 100% with your opinion I must be some kind of dumb redneck. That makes sense. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 20:34:17 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> Message-ID: <20021106043417.GB24840@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:13:37PM -0500, Jason Parker-Burlingham wrote: > Holding people indefinitely (there are also hints of racial profiling > still going on), sometimes on secret evidence (ask someone from France > about the `secret file') and without cause isn't something a > democratic republic should be doing, terrorists or no terrorists. OK, I kind of feel like I'm being attacked from a lot of directions, so I'll try to keep it concise: 1. Secret prisons: bad 2. Secret trials: bad 3. Racial profiling: bad (though some have argued that it's practical, depending on what you mean when you say 'racial profiling') 4. Deporting Canadian/Syrians: silly, probably bad. 5. Bunny rabbits: fluffy 6. Canadian travel advisory against US: funny -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 5 20:39:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106043417.GB24840@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021106043417.GB24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106043959.GH8927@zork.net> begin Not Erik quotation: > 5. Bunny rabbits: fluffy Bullshit. Fuzzy, furry, but NOT FLUFFY. I'll take you down, un-Erik. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From adam at flounder.net Tue Nov 5 20:27:46 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:42:21PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Thank you, come again! (helpdesk@fuck-everything.org): > > > You'll have to try harder. Subtlety was dispensed with long ago. > > http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html > > That actually more than made my day, when he posted that. > > I've gotten more fan mail over Bernstein calling me names and > attributing to me claims I've never said than from anything else -- > including from the OpenBSD core maintainers. Go, Dan! It appears, however, that the specific attribution on that page is valid; That exact quote appears verbatim in your FAQ. --Adam From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Tue Nov 5 20:56:19 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:55 PST." <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211060456.gA64uKGc015127@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:55 PST, Not Erik said: > Well the only people who speak on the matter seem to be people who > think GWB is Adolf Hitler or people who think he's Mother Fucking > Theresa. My question is who has the worse point of view. Amazingly enough, both groups feel the other's existence is sufficient justification for their viewpoints and agendas.... From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 21:05:15 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211060456.gA64uKGc015127@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <200211060456.gA64uKGc015127@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20021106050515.GC24840@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 11:56:19PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:24:55 PST, Not Erik said: > > Amazingly enough, both groups feel the other's existence is sufficient > justification for their viewpoints and agendas.... Well I appear, at least to some people, to have established myself as belonging to one of those camps. I find that amusing. By way of a topic change, I present fine art: 8========================================D <-- cock Ah, the classics are still the best. Someone remind me to send a fruit basket. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 21:11:18 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Adam McKenna (adam@flounder.net): > It appears, however, that the specific attribution on that page is valid; > That exact quote appears verbatim in your FAQ. Quotation. The quotation is of course accurate, albeit selective. The sort of people who use "quote" as a noun are of course absolved of the need to read more than one sentence. From jesux at unix.tm Tue Nov 5 21:06:30 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com>; from squinky@dasbistro.com on Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:47:53PM -0800 References: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106160630.A22179@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 06:47:53PM -0800, Not Erik wrote: > > I hate Bush. Let's call him a dictator. W00! > junta n : a clique that seeks power usually through intrigue Florida. Space Cowboys. Beef. -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 21:12:08 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106160630.A22179@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106160630.A22179@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <20021106051208.GD24840@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 04:06:30PM +1100, James Moffitt wrote: > junta > n : a clique that seeks power usually through intrigue I know. I had to look it up too. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue Nov 5 21:18:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:24:55 -0800") References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> Adolf Hitler Woohoo! Godwin's Law, proven again. Of course, it's an impossible law to disprove. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From adam at flounder.net Tue Nov 5 21:19:30 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 09:11:18PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Adam McKenna (adam@flounder.net): > > > It appears, however, that the specific attribution on that page is valid; > > That exact quote appears verbatim in your FAQ. > > Quotation. The quotation is of course accurate, albeit selective. If something you write doesn't adequately communicate your sentiment, then why not correct or retract it? > The sort of people who use "quote" as a noun are of course absolved of > the need to read more than one sentence. I'll assume this is the normal practice of correcting grammar when one has nothing of substance to say. --Adam From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 21:38:56 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:18:37AM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > Woohoo! Godwin's Law, proven again. Damnit! I must have forgotten myself. Does that mean I'm buying the next round? > Of course, it's an impossible law to disprove. That's why it's a law. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From sam at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 5 21:39:40 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106053940.GA27323@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:55:49PM -0500, Mr. Bad wrote: > Isn't "War on X" just a rhetorical way of saying, "We are against X"? > Especially if X is something kind of abstract, like "Terrorism", > "Drugs", "Poverty", or "Litter"? I mean, it's not the same thing as a > _real_ war. We can't take over the capital of Litter, and force the > leaders to sue for terms, and accept their unconditional surrender, > can we? Who would want the Capital of Litter anyway? I bet they don't even have City Walls or a Granary. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From dmarti at zgp.org Tue Nov 5 21:47:21 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106054721.GA26260@zgp.org> begin Rick Moen quotation of Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:42:21PM -0800: > I've gotten more fan mail over Bernstein calling me names and > attributing to me claims I've never said than from anything else -- > including from the OpenBSD core maintainers. Go, Dan! Rick Moen is an idiot! http://www.googlism.com/index.htm?ism=rick+moen&type=1 -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From monkey at someplace.us Tue Nov 5 22:04:11 2002 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1036562652.17647.19469.camel@amory> On Wed, 2002-11-06 at 00:38, Not Erik wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:18:37AM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > > Woohoo! Godwin's Law, proven again. > > Damnit! I must have forgotten myself. Does that mean I'm buying the > next round? > > > Of course, it's an impossible law to disprove. > > That's why it's a law. Evil is he who breaks the Law. Are we not Men? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 5 22:05:42 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106053940.GA27323@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053940.GA27323@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106060542.GJ8927@zork.net> begin Sam Phillips quotation: > Who would want the Capital of Litter anyway? I bet they don't even > have City Walls or a Granary. Yeah, but the UN will be finished there next turn! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Nov 5 22:48:34 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> References: <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Adam McKenna (adam@flounder.net): > If something you write doesn't adequately communicate your sentiment, > then why not correct or retract it? I'm sorry, but are you merely dense, or being deliberately difficult? The view Prof. Bernstein attributed to me is one I do not hold and did not state. The quotation he selectively pulled from the essay does not make the claim he says it does. If you had bothered to read the surrounding wording, you would already know that. Furthermore, for the benefit of _very_ slow learners, I long ago appended http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb2, immediately below http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb , to point that out in detail. -- Cheers, "We're sorry; you have reached an imaginary number. Rick Moen Please rotate your 'phone ninety degrees and try again." rick@linuxmafia.com From adam at flounder.net Tue Nov 5 22:58:17 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:48:34PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > I'm sorry, but are you merely dense, or being deliberately difficult? Wait a minute, what list is this again? > The view Prof. Bernstein attributed to me is one I do not hold and did > not state. The quotation he selectively pulled from the essay does not > make the claim he says it does. It could be interpreted that way, even when taking the surrounding context into consideration. If you can't admit that, then you're as obstinate as djb. > Furthermore, for the benefit of _very_ slow learners, I long ago appended > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb2, immediately below > http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb , to point that out in detail. Right, "backpedaling". Instead of changing your original statements to make them clearer, you decided to explain how the original statements didn't mean what some people thought they meant. --Adam From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Nov 6 00:18:40 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> References: <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Adam McKenna (adam@flounder.net): > It could be interpreted that way, even when taking the surrounding context > into consideration. That particular sentence (if _wholly_ ripped out of context) _could_ be, and was, deliberately misinterpreted by someone seeking a pretext for dismissing the essay as a whole. Which, I found out through later observation, is a very common ploy among that lot. > Right, "backpedaling". Let me spell it out for you in smaller words, then: "Essentially, you're betting that Bernstein never changes his mind, if you rely on such software", in that you'll not be able to point to the Web pages' licence terms (on which you've been relying to document your permissions) if he's removed or altered them, nor be allowed to mirror or distribute those pages past that point. That _should_ have been clear from preceding sentences in that same paragraph. As http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb2, nonetheless, goes on to point out, for those slow on the uptake, the prior essay _nowhere_ claims that Prof. Bernstein may _revoke_ his licensing by removing Web pages. > Instead of changing your original statements to make them clearer, you > decided to explain how the original statements didn't mean what some > people thought they meant. http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/#djb2 clarifies that the assertion Bernstein attributed to me (that Bernstein can revoke licences by removing Web pages) was wholly his invention, and not a view of mine at all. I didn't need to "change my original statements to make them clearer". Frankly, I don't think I should have _even_ had to add the second essay, given the blatant gamesmanship of the aforementioned ploy. But hey, I figured it was worth a couple of paragraphs to point out that not _only_ had I never said that, but _also_ had long been on the public record as refuting that _identical_ assertion when others made it. Now, off you go. There are untold straw-man arguments for you to fall for, elsewhere. From adam at flounder.net Wed Nov 6 00:14:39 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:18:40AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: [furious backpedaling] I'm starting to imagine you as a clown on a unicycle, trying so hard to concentrate on the balls he's juggling that he doesn't notice the ledge behind him until... [PLONK] --Adam From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Wed Nov 6 04:26:12 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051854.14114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <87el9zzh7u.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106002500.GH5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106122612.GA10941@columbus.rr.com> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 04:25:00PM -0800, Not Erik wrote: > On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 07:15:17PM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > > Well, it's a definition of "we" here. I personally don't think > > everyone of Arab descent wishes to do the US harm. In fact, I think > > that people who think that are doing harm to the US. > For some reason, I'm reminded of the Dormouse from Alice in > Wonderland. Dunno why. [ The Mad Hatter asks Alice a riddle. ] "Come, we shall have some fun now!" thought Alice. "I'm glad they've begun asking riddles--I believe I can guess that," she added aloud. "Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?" said the March Hare. "Exactly so," said Alice. "Then you should say what you mean," the March Hare went on. "I do," Alice hastily replied; "at least--at least I mean what I say--that's the same thing, you know." "Not the same thing a bit!" said the Hatter. "Why, you might just as well say that `I see what I eat' is the same thing as `I eat what I see'!" "You might just as well say," added the March Hare, "that `I like what I get' is the same thing as `I get what I like'!" "You might just as well say," added the Dormouse, which seemed to be talking in its sleep, "that `I breathe when I sleep' is the same thing as `I sleep when I breathe'!" "It _is_ the same thing with you," said the Hatter. . . Entire history of Usenet there in under a dozen paragraphs, folks. -- Matthew W. Miller, Linux kiddie mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 06:22:05 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106142204.GA1934@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Not Erik quotation: > > But my question is this: which is the more rational opinion, one > which, in the absence of evidence accuses the U.S. government of > Nazi-esque atrocities, or one which actually allows them leeway to do > a couple of not-very-cool things on the assumption that it will only > happen to the bad guys? Actually, the presence of the "anything Bush does is evil" folks in our society is part of what allows us to give him a little leeway; we know those folks won't shut up if he goes to far and tries to shut us all up. So, they're necessary, even when they're wrong. I didn't vote for the man, but I've met him, and he's a good man. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ySWMEcl9bQ0RMt0RAqXRAJ9unrJYK5D8imxc+lCsQ/an1dTIrQCeIaqy W+ptqL8+7Tckz2k7MLeGl0E= =WR6T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 06:24:36 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021106142436.GB1934@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Not Erik quotation: > > My knowledge of the law is very little. I assume foreign nationals in > a state of war or whatever are entitled to hear what they're being > held on. Yes, but they're not entitled to counsel or a hearing. The Supreme Court has upheld this. Sometimes people forget that the Constitution applies to American citizens. When we apply it to guests, we're doing them a favor. Favors are indefinitely suspended while the folks who want to blow us up are still wealthy and organized. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ySYjEcl9bQ0RMt0RAurHAKD7twudfsbAxdzJA27P552Dl8jUAwCeKujP HQP042GU+tf/6tZA4eHuiQU= =Klmq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 06:25:51 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > We're in a state of war? Since when? Are you talking about the War on Since the bad guys killed more of our people than were killed at Pearl Harbor. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ySZvEcl9bQ0RMt0RAjnJAKCRf4/PIPxf9vMZH8elB2PSaGspvgCfUx4s 9SpdTVtwaYxHACOkF/eHDeY= =wxyc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 06:34:29 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> Message-ID: <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jason Parker-Burlingham quotation: > > Basically the situation is this. Normally if an immigrant is arrested > they have to come before a judge within 24 hours. Under the PATRIOT > Act this has been extended to 48 hours. If the judge rules that there > is no cause to hold the person, they should be let go. Arar was let go. Canadia isn't bitching that we sent him out of the US; they're bitching that we sent him to Syria. (A subset of ill-informed people are bitching that we sent him to Jordan. They have evidently forgotten that we don't like Syria, but we think Jordan is OK since their President was on Star Trek: The Next Generation.) And don't forget that the whole thing is happening because CANADIA suspected the guy of terrorist ties. > Holding people indefinitely (there are also hints of racial profiling > still going on), sometimes on secret evidence (ask someone from France > about the `secret file') and without cause isn't something a > democratic republic should be doing, terrorists or no terrorists. Letting terrorists run around loose because you can't prove anything to legal standards that don't apply to them (but would if they were citizens) results in people being dead or afraid to go to work. You're not very free if you have to hide in your house until you starve. Especially since most of the folks who don't want us to fight this war also don't want you to be able to defend yourself in that house. BTW, there are situations in which the law clearly mandates ejecting people from the US without a hearing. Stowaways, for instance, and rafts caught at sea. There is precedent here, besides the case law from WWII. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ySh1Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAgzfAKDCN+iC5/C3vt4f9QdDE3xS/y3TegCgzbSi 98viLA9Cuumsffl+8pERTUI= =4poI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 06:39:32 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106143932.GE1934@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > Accused but not proven. Which is kind of the main problem. When people > can be detained indefinitely because of suspicion and accusation, > you've got a problem. Irrelevant. He was detained briefly, not indefinitely, while being deported. He was deported to a country of which he is still a citizen, and in which he is wanted for a crime that the US has recognized as a crime. > non-citizens. US courts have pretty much upheld rather regularly the > idea that non-citizens don't get the same due-process protection as > citizens. > > But that doesn't mean it doesn't suck. It sucks substantially less than being blown up, burned, or poisoned. > So, therefore, it probably makes a teensy bit of sense for Canada to > tell its Arab citizens to think twice about coming to the USA, right? Absolutely. In fact, I think every country should warn it's Arab citizens not to come here right now. They'll be welcome back in a few years. Although it'd be nice if Canadians would just stay home regardless. I've got a list of a few you could reclaim that are already here, in fact. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ySmkEcl9bQ0RMt0RAq+BAKCHIoJ0ZdA+af1Q5b+jtDPcFoGW/wCfaLaC 5oFoj32gqyh1t2tt7b3fUIE= =Snb4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sharkey at zoic.org Wed Nov 6 06:44:24 2002 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net>; from adam@flounder.net on Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:14:39AM -0800 References: <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021107014423.A25536@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:14:39AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:18:40AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > [furious backpedaling] > > I'm starting to imagine you as a clown on a unicycle, trying so hard to > concentrate on the balls he's juggling that he doesn't notice the ledge > behind him until... Oh, the wonders of miniaturization, that a Rick Moen can now be balanced with all four corners upon a single wheel, and all four fools upon a single thread. -----sharks From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 6 08:15:24 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:25:51 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: >> We're in a state of war? Since when? Are you talking about the >> War on SM> Since the bad guys killed more of our people than were killed SM> at Pearl Harbor. So, we weren't against terrorism before 9/11? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed Nov 6 08:16:54 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106143932.GE1934@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2002 09:39:32 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <87iszbzjd3.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106143932.GE1934@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87vg3aoeq1.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> Absolutely. In fact, I think every country should warn it's SM> Arab citizens not to come here right now. They'll be welcome SM> back in a few years. Yeah, once we figure out how to kick out you redneck racists, it'll be a great place. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 6 09:31:55 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > So, we weren't against terrorism before 9/11? Yes, and we were against Fascism before Pearl Harbor. Well, I wasn't personally, but I have it on good authority that somebody was. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yVILEcl9bQ0RMt0RAojuAKCRNuQlcRjZUFKIbmgLB5mtDwy8pgCgnKPt JMGJo/r1qe1bg3VmXS41Nqg= =Vicp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Nov 6 11:05:40 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> References: <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021106190540.GZ23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Adam McKenna (adam@flounder.net): > I'm starting to imagine you as a clown on a unicycle, trying so hard > to > concentrate on the balls he's juggling that he doesn't notice the > ledge > behind him until... > > [PLONK] I'm starting to imagine yet another Bernstein groupie, maintainer of the Qmail HOWTO (and who somehow can't say there the word "proprietary" and is characteristically willing to compare that program only against sendmail), repeating DJBisms with his brain deliberately switched off. Oh, wait! I'm not imagining that at all, am I? -- Cheers, Right to keep and bear Rick Moen Haiku shall not be abridged rick@linuxmafia.com Or denied. So there. From jordanb at hafd.org Wed Nov 6 11:20:14 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> References: <20021105182818.GI25313@dasbistro.com> <877kfr259r.fsf@pigdog.org> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105231723.GC5324@dasbistro.com> <20021105235450.GK23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106001555.GF5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106025243.GR23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106030016.GP5324@dasbistro.com> <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021106192014.GA19875@hafd.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 10:27:04PM -0500, Thank you, come again! wrote: > On Tue, 2002-11-05 at 22:00, Not Erik wrote: > > I've learned that you just can't tell some people they're being > > pig-headed and irrational. I'm sure you must feel the same way. > > You'll have to try harder. Subtlety was dispensed with long ago. > > http://cr.yp.to/distributors.html Man, that page makes for some awesome quotes. -- Jordan Bettis Rick Moen is an idiot. -- Daniel J Bernstein From simm at zork.net Wed Nov 6 11:24:14 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106142436.GB1934@eiv.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <200211051707.19669.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106142436.GB1934@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021106192414.GE23426@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Not Erik quotation: > > > > My knowledge of the law is very little. I assume foreign nationals in > > a state of war or whatever are entitled to hear what they're being > > held on. > > Yes, but they're not entitled to counsel or a hearing. The Supreme > Court has upheld this. > > Sometimes people forget that the Constitution applies to American > citizens. When we apply it to guests, we're doing them a favor. Favors > are indefinitely suspended while the folks who want to blow us up are > still wealthy and organized. bzzt. Misinformed. Mathews v. Diaz, 426 U.S. 67 (1976) Zadvydas v. Davis, 533 U.S. 678 (2001) Both assert that the constitution is applicable to immigrants within our borders. I think you might be confused with wether the constitution extends to illegal immigrants or not. There is no question that it extends to legal ones. In the future, please don't spout falsehoods about the constitution not applying to non-citizens. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From adam at flounder.net Wed Nov 6 11:08:58 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106190540.GZ23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> <20021106190540.GZ23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20021106190858.GJ2616@flounder.net> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 11:05:40AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > I'm starting to imagine yet another Bernstein groupie, maintainer of the > Qmail HOWTO (and who somehow can't say there the word "proprietary" and is > characteristically willing to compare that program only against > sendmail), repeating DJBisms with his brain deliberately switched off. > Oh, wait! I'm not imagining that at all, am I? I'm starting to imagine boobies.. Ah, boobies. --Adam From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Nov 6 11:45:34 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106190858.GJ2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Adam McKenna wrote: > I'm starting to imagine boobies.. Ah, boobies. Yes, Rick Moen has big boobies. So did Eva Braun. From henrik at enberg.org Wed Nov 6 11:52:50 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106190858.GJ2616@flounder.net> (Adam McKenna's message of "Wed, 6 Nov 2002 11:08:58 -0800") References: <1036553225.17647.16428.camel@amory> <20021106034221.GT23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106042746.GA2616@flounder.net> <20021106051118.GV23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106051929.GB2616@flounder.net> <20021106064834.GW23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106065817.GC2616@flounder.net> <20021106081840.GX23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106081438.GG2616@flounder.net> <20021106190540.GZ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106190858.GJ2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <87pttio4q5.fsf@enberg.org> Adam McKenna writes: > I'm starting to imagine boobies.. Ah, boobies. I'm imagining a boob who can't even plonk properly. Under common intarweb-law you're supposed to act like you actually _did_ plonk your nemesis for at least 2 days. -- Yo mama's so fat, when I tried to drive around her, I ran out of gas. From jdub at perkypants.org Wed Nov 6 14:30:26 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <20021106190858.GJ2616@flounder.net> Message-ID: <20021106223026.GE14408@lazarus.home.spankyhouse.net> > On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Adam McKenna wrote: > > > I'm starting to imagine boobies.. Ah, boobies. > > Yes, Rick Moen has big boobies. > So did Eva Braun. I claim freedom under Godwin's Law. EOT please. - Jeff -- It's not just a song! It's a document of my life! From carton at Ivy.NET Wed Nov 6 17:38:28 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:24:55 -0800") References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ne" == Not Erik writes: ne> GWB is Adolf Hitler ne> he's Mother Fucking Theresa. ha ha two kinds of people ha ha Final Solution ha. -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From jasonp at uq.net.au Wed Nov 6 10:08:10 2002 From: jasonp at uq.net.au (Jason Parker-Burlingham) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87adkmsh9x.fsf@freezer.burling> Shawn McMahon writes: > begin Jason Parker-Burlingham quotation: > > Basically the situation is this. Normally if an immigrant is arrested > > they have to come before a judge within 24 hours. Under the PATRIOT > > Act this has been extended to 48 hours. If the judge rules that there > > is no cause to hold the person, they should be let go. > Arar was let go. Arar wasn't an immigrant, and I wasn't even talking about him. Do try to keep up. Try reading the thread again to see if you can work it out. -- ||----|---|------------|--|-------|------|-----------|-#---|-|--|------|| | ``It's just a big electric typewriter.'' | | | ||--|--------|--------------|----|-------------|------|---------|-----|-| From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 06:22:07 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <87adkmsh9x.fsf@freezer.burling> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> <87adkmsh9x.fsf@freezer.burling> Message-ID: <20021107142207.GA7128@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jason Parker-Burlingham quotation: > > Arar wasn't an immigrant, and I wasn't even talking about him. Do try Then don't jump into the thread if you don't know what it's about. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yncOEcl9bQ0RMt0RAiRaAJ4wP1GlBC58gEDXEFyQUMJ3x6Mo3gCeMPhc 1CWyR6R95tYdgAGIuWHObVM= =DC59 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 06:33:15 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106043959.GH8927@zork.net> References: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106043417.GB24840@dasbistro.com> <20021106043959.GH8927@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211070933.15072.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | begin Not Erik quotation: | > 5. Bunny rabbits: fluffy | | Bullshit. | | Fuzzy, furry, but NOT FLUFFY. depends on the setting you use when you put 'em in the dryer; also, whether you use one of those anti-static-cling sheets. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 06:42:25 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Rick Moen's quote: | > Didn't I hear someone say at some point that war was possible | > without a formal ratified declaration? | | Sure, no problem! Just ignore the Constitution. this is by no means a settled issue, and it seems that with the united nations has come the "wars to prevent wars" notion that has resulted in several things that would be identified as wars under most definitions: korea, panama (several times under presidents from kennedy to bush 41), haiti (several times under presidents from kennedy to clinton), vietnam, angola, bosnia, kosovo, the gulf war, and so on. the (probably unconsititutional) war powers act, formulated in response to the smoke and mirrors of the tonkin gulf incident and the subsequent resolution, is the attempt to reconcile the war-declaration clause of article 1, section 8 with the informal kinds of war that are typically fought in modern times. there is nothing anywhere that i can find that makes a war any more of a war for its being formally declared. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 07:16:20 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin dep quotation: > > kinds of war that are typically fought in modern times. there is > nothing anywhere that i can find that makes a war any more of a war > for its being formally declared. This also brings us into something I'd been meaning to bring up. The bad guys have figured out that if they deliberately avoid the 19th-century concepts of war, the American Left will oppose doing anything about them. Thus, they deliberately don't take official government positions; instead, they work unofficially with governments, even in some cases being defacto heads of state (I.E., Usama bin Laden in Afghanistan), but because they don't take official titles, the Left falls for the trick and believes their actions to not be actions of the country involved. They have also learned not to declare war, although that hasn't completely taken; remember that Iraq declared war on us, and that state of war was only stopped by a conditional cease fire, not a treaty ending the state of war. We are still legally at war with Iraq, and under international law we've been entitled to resume hostilities with them since they refused to meet their inspection requirements. Each time they fire at one of our planes is an act of war, as well. Afghanistan, however, learned the lesson, and didn't declare war; they just gave bin Laden nigh-ultimate power and free reign, allowing him to hid behind Afghan sovereignity, secure in the belief that American liberals would protect him as he put $125 Million in Iraqi funds into use attacking the US. (Source; Hussein's former mistress.) And you supposedly-intelligent people fell for it; hook, line, and sinker. You let Usama bin Laden's organization attack us not once, not twice, but six times so far, not counting recent attacks since we destroyed the Taliban; the 1993 WTC attack, the bombing of the Cole, and the four successful hijackings on Sept. 11 that culiminated in three successful attacks on US buildings and civilian population. If you oppose wiping Al Qaeda out because of all these attacks, you can't really in good conscience support taking out Japan in response to the smaller attack on Pearl Harbor. If you oppose wiping related terrorist groups out for killing Israeli citizens and US citizens in Israel, then you can't in good conscience support taking out Germany for killing a few million Jews and attacking their neighbors. In short, the American Left is the same bunch of hypocrites it's always been. But then, you have to have a certain level of pathogical detachment from reality to be a liberal in the first place. Fortunately, wiser heads prevailed, and gave an unprecedented mid-term election mandate to the slightly-less-insane Republicans; who, although deeply flawed, at least understand that the tree of liberty must occasionally be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. I recall (from history, not personal experience) the first time the Republicans took over the government. The Democrats were dead-set opposed to their big policy initiative then, too; freeing the slaves. You can say this for the Dems; at least they're consistently inconsistent. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yoPEEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkk7AKDwx52D8EWBFKUJT7f6dtRZRkah/ACeMqrY bcXzplK/tYRla9hGToooan8= =ekWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jordanb at hafd.org Thu Nov 7 08:28:35 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <45694.163.191.47.214.1036686515.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Shawn McMahon said: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin dep quotation: >> [snip] http://www.capecodsportfishing.com/IMAGE044c.jpg -- Jordan Bettis This message has been written using my webmail system. From jeremym at loonix.org Thu Nov 7 09:20:54 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107172054.GA26489@pug.chroot.net> On Thu Nov 07, 2002 at 10:16:20AM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > I recall (from history, not personal experience) the first time the > Republicans took over the government. The Democrats were dead-set > opposed to their big policy initiative then, too; freeing the slaves. > You can say this for the Dems; at least they're consistently > inconsistent. You mean they were dead set against allowing the Republicans to further tip the imbalance of economic power toward the North by raising tariffs and taxes. You mean they were dead set against allowing the Republicans to centralize power by creating a national bank and a national currency, controlled by the Federal government. You mean they were dead set against government subsidation of businesses and 'internal improvements'. You mean the Republican Party was not in the least (well, maybe the least--there _were_ a couple of them) an abolitionist party, and Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was a military tactic (two years into the war) intended to incite a slave rebellion in Confederate territory. It didn't actually free any slaves, even in Union-controlled Southern regions. The Civil War wasn't about slavery. It was _made out_ to be about slavery rather late in the war because support was waning, and abolition was by then the only moral stance Lincoln could fall back on. Not that Lincoln was an abolitionist--far from it--but he was a consummate politician. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 7 09:20:55 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > You let Usama bin Laden's organization attack us not once, not twice, > but six times so far, not counting recent attacks since we destroyed > the Taliban; the 1993 WTC attack, the bombing of the Cole, and the four > successful hijackings on Sept. 11 that culiminated in three successful > attacks on US buildings and civilian population. You would make Ann Coulter proud. Of course it's not the American Left that the rest of the world despises. It's the hawkish, brutish, anti-intellectual, overconsuming, egocentric American Right, that ignores the rest of the world under the arrogant assumption that the U.S. knows better. I'm sure if bin Laden could work it out so that he only kills assholes such as yourself, he would. > In short, the American Left is the same bunch of hypocrites it's always > been. But then, you have to have a certain level of pathogical > detachment from reality to be a liberal in the first place. or at least have a concern for the welfare of others with whom you need to share the planet. > I recall (from history, not personal experience) the first time the > Republicans took over the government. The Democrats were dead-set > opposed to their big policy initiative then, too; freeing the slaves. > You can say this for the Dems; at least they're consistently > inconsistent. hahaha. Do you really think if the Republican Party still held the ideals of Lincoln that Strom Thurmond and Jessie Helms would be Republicans? That's so cute. Lincoln also hated corporations and the uneven distribution of wealth. Before you go off on your next crusade, perhaps you should listen to another Republican: "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, from those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children." President Dwight D. Eisenhower peace, brother From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Nov 7 10:33:23 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:22:07 EST." <20021107142207.GA7128@eiv.com> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> <87adkmsh9x.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021107142207.GA7128@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200211071833.gA7IXNnd006051@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 09:22:07 EST, Shawn McMahon said: > Then don't jump into the thread if you don't know what it's about. Go re-read the list charter. From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 10:37:25 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107183725.GA2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: [ the left wing sucks (snipped) ] On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 09:20:55AM -0800, #2 of Berkeley wrote: [ the right wing sucks (snipped) ] Yes, they do. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 11:37:47 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:26 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin #2 of Berkeley's quote: | You would make Ann Coulter proud. Of course it's not the American | Left that the rest of the world despises. It's the hawkish, | brutish, anti-intellectual, overconsuming, egocentric American | Right, that ignores the rest of the world under the arrogant | assumption that the U.S. knows better. I'm sure if bin Laden could | work it out so that he only kills assholes such as yourself, he | would. fortunately, when usama seeks to attack assholes, he discovers you're a far bigger target. as a matter of historical fact, the american right -- which is considerably less intellectually bankript than, say, you or anyone who agrees with you -- when it has disagreed with the rest of the world has consistently been right, thereby giving whining pussyboys such as yourself a safe place to wallow in your own shit. | or at least have a concern for the welfare of others with whom you | need to share the planet. perhaps it would be nice for them to recognize that *they* need to share the rest of the world with *us.* -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Nov 7 12:02:10 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107200210.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> Quoting dep (dep@linuxandmain.com): > this is by no means a settled issue, and it seems that with the united > nations has come the "wars to prevent wars" notion that has resulted > in several things that would be identified as wars under most > definitions: korea, panama (several times under presidents from > kennedy to bush 41), haiti (several times under presidents from > kennedy to clinton), vietnam, angola, bosnia, kosovo, the gulf war, > and so on. the (probably unconsititutional) war powers act, > formulated in response to the smoke and mirrors of the tonkin gulf > incident and the subsequent resolution, is the attempt to reconcile > the war-declaration clause of article 1, section 8 with the informal > kinds of war that are typically fought in modern times. As far as I'm concerned, you've just listed a number of instances of ignoring the Constitution, that should more rationally have resulted in impeachment and removal from office of those who attempted them. The War Powers Act _could_ have been a rational attempt to draw a dividing line between warfare and non-serious military actions that shouldn't require Congressional approval, but as drafted has holes in it a regiment wide. Anyhow, getting back to the original topic, I have no problem with fairly harsh treatment of foreigners who are found to be here illegally. They should be, if deemed necessary, grilled closely. If suspected of criminal acts, they should be charged on the public record, tried on the public record, and imprisoned or deported at our option -- and those who have no other crime other than violating their visas (if any) should be deported ASAP after being interrogated. Don't want to get shipped to Syria? Fine, obey the terms of your visa. What I was and am objecting to is development of an apparently large, secret Federal apparatus for putting unspecified people on ice with all details denied to the public. The jailers allege that those details would leak valuable intelligence? Fine, give summary information such as total numbers and average length of incarceration today, with mandatory release of full details after six months for each prisoner. Sunlight, disinfectant: You know the motto. -- Cheers, A good man has few enemies; a ruthless man has none. Rick Moen rick@linuxmafia.com From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 7 12:04:28 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, dep wrote: > as a matter of historical fact, the american right -- which is > considerably less intellectually bankript than, say, you or anyone > who agrees with you -- when it has disagreed with the rest of the > world has consistently been right, thereby giving whining pussyboys > such as yourself a safe place to wallow in your own shit. Thank you for demonstrating the unfounded, narrow-minded arrogance of The American Right that I was talking about. > perhaps it would be nice for them to recognize that *they* need to > share the rest of the world with *us.* They already do, at an alarming imbalance. We get the lion's share of natural resources, and in our gratitude return the favor my emitting the lion's share of pollution. From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 12:19:11 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 12:04:28PM -0800, #2 of Berkeley wrote: > On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, dep wrote: > > > as a matter of historical fact, the american right -- which is > > considerably less intellectually bankript than, say, you or anyone > > who agrees with you -- when it has disagreed with the rest of the > > world has consistently been right, thereby giving whining pussyboys > > such as yourself a safe place to wallow in your own shit. > > Thank you for demonstrating the unfounded, narrow-minded arrogance of The > American Right that I was talking about. POT: You're an ignorant bleeding-heart liberal. KETTLE: You're an ignorant, reactionary, fascist conservative. POT: Your ideology is completely wrong. KETTLE: Your ideology is completely wrong. POT and KETTLE (together): YOU'RE WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY!!! (silence) POT: Wanna fuck? KETTLE: Thought you'd never ask. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From modus at as220.org Thu Nov 7 13:34:29 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:37:47PM -0500 References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107163429.A958@as220.org> dep looked into the void, and said: > considerably less intellectually bankript than, say, you or anyone ^^^^^^^^ Hahaha "intellectually bankript" ... An editor of mine used to tell a story about a sixth grade bully who tried to pick a fight with him by asking whether he wa "igorant or something," to which he replied meekly, "Yeah, I guess I must be ... kind of igorant." -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From modus at as220.org Thu Nov 7 13:48:15 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Damn puzzle pieces! In-Reply-To: <20021011045656.GG12174@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 09:56:56PM -0700 References: <20021011045656.GG12174@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021107164815.B958@as220.org> Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > http://tastytronic.net/asciiweb/ > > Dammit, now I'm getting puzzle pieces in lynx, too! > asciiweb is actually pretty cool. asciiweb + FIGlet is even cooler. I wonder if the asciiweb developers are the same jokers behind http://asciipr0n.com ... -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From mikael at pawlo.com Thu Nov 7 12:46:59 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Siva and Jon on Copyright Message-ID: Not that I want to interfere to much with the current Rick Moen with boobs debate, but still - here I am! In a third concluding session in the MIT Communications Forum series on copyright Jonathan Zittrain and Siva Vaidhyanathan deals with ways in which copyright law affects individual artists and the intellectual life of the community at large. An audiocast is available online in Real Audio format. You really could spend two hours in a much worse way. If I wasn't so damn Swedish I would say that this is just great and gold. Listen Now! Links to audiocast and transcript (not online yet): http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/forums.html Regards, Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 7 12:59:24 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] Message-ID: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> The bulls are out in force lately. ----- Forwarded message from Owen McGee ----- 10/30/02 - An important message to all employees: Dear Fellow Railroader, Yesterday, the FBI issued a warning to state and local law enforcement agencies that the U.S. railroads could be the target of a terrorist attack. We have been in contact with the Department of Transportation, the Transportation Security Administration and the intelligence community. As a result, CSX and the rail industry are operating at a heightened state of alert. Since the tragedies of September 11, we have periodically reminded employees to be observant about their surroundings and report any suspicious persons or activities. Your vigilance is now particularly important. No one is allowed on CSX property or locomotives without proper identification. Anyone entering our property must identify himself or herself as an employee, contractor, federal or state inspector (FRA, NTSB, Public Utilities Commission, etc.) and must have the proper identification. You should immediately report anyone without proper identification or any suspicious activity by contacting your local supervisor or the CSXT Police Communications Center at 1-800-232-0144. It's easy to allow current events to distract us. Now more than ever, our nation needs the transportation services we provide. Let's all stay focused on safety and service, while being vigilant about security. Thanks for your help, Al Crown Executive Vice-President - Transportation ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 7 12:59:06 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> References: <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> On Tue, Nov 05, 2002 at 09:38:56PM -0800, Not Erik wrote: > On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:18:37AM -0500, Mister Bad wrote: > > Woohoo! Godwin's Law, proven again. > > Damnit! I must have forgotten myself. Does that mean I'm buying the > next round? Use Stalin next time. -- Carlos Laviola From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 7 13:03:16 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> References: <20021105224526.GI23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> On Wed, Nov 06, 2002 at 12:31:55PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Mister Bad quotation: > > > > So, we weren't against terrorism before 9/11? > > Yes, and we were against Fascism before Pearl Harbor. You're wrong. Before the US were attacked, they were turning a blind eye to the war. There was a strong feeling of anti-semitism and Hitler was not considered a threat, but rather an efficient dictator, for the 'progress' of Germany that he allegedly propelled as the F?hrer. -- Carlos Laviola From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 13:06:33 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107210633.GA8337@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > Before you go off on your next crusade, perhaps you should listen to > another Republican: > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket signifies, > in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, from > those who are cold and are not clothed. The world in arms is not spending > money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its > scientists, the hopes of its children." > President Dwight D. Eisenhower Eisenhower was a Democrat who registered Republican. If he hadn't had the good sense to die of a heart attack, you'd be writing this email in Russian. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ytXZEcl9bQ0RMt0RArqgAJ4nNqdGKefax9niUBtqybRvgzj3TACeN1XS EvKRkrpMa6uUM5xlYTAqOfE= =htk3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 7 13:07:25 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107163429.A958@as220.org> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107163429.A958@as220.org> Message-ID: <20021107210725.GC16602@laviola.org> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:34:29PM -0500, Matt Obert wrote: > dep looked into the void, and said: > > > considerably less intellectually bankript than, say, you or anyone > ^^^^^^^^ > Hahaha "intellectually bankript" ... > > An editor of mine used to tell a story about a sixth grade > bully who tried to pick a fight with him by asking whether > he wa "igorant or something," to which he replied meekly, > "Yeah, I guess I must be ... kind of igorant." ha ha 'wa' -- Carlos Laviola From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 13:08:18 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107210818.GB8337@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > They already do, at an alarming imbalance. We get the lion's share of > natural resources, and in our gratitude return the favor my emitting the > lion's share of pollution. Actually, we pale in comparison to China's output of pollution, while simultaneously feeding the world's hungry and having the unique distinction of being the only country that contributes to the alleviation of EVERY natural disaster anywhere. We can do that because we're Capitalist. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ytZBEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkb2AKD/FJZuhjdfXg0dFCCYrCSqwPeFJQCfWM8n 60IX+z8gK+olrcvNj+gpJQc= =5Ns5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 13:15:27 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> References: <200211051801.25288.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > > > > Yes, and we were against Fascism before Pearl Harbor. > > You're wrong. Before the US were attacked, they were turning a blind > eye to the war. No, we were actually restricting some trade with Germany. That in fact led to the Hindenberg disaster. And many in our government were in fact strongly looking for a reason to join the fight. Americans couldn't get their minds around the reasons to join the fight, but by and large they didn't approve of Fascism. It took an attack to spur them into supporting the fight. Just as most Americans didn't approve of terrorism on September 10th, 2001. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ytfuEcl9bQ0RMt0RAhOEAJ9ZXhA5X0q8WdTnlC3CN0QyyRRqdQCgwMGX +ng8v/vERliI2LqEAg6zvyg= =UCiH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 13:26:25 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> References: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 06:59:06PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > Use Stalin next time. I was considering that, but I'm not sure if I could get away with using a communist as a right-wing example. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu Nov 7 13:36:24 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:26:25 PST." <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> References: <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211072136.gA7LaOnd023081@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:26:25 PST, Not Erik said: > I was considering that, but I'm not sure if I could get away with > using a communist as a right-wing example. Sure. Communists and right-wingers are alike in that they hate anybody who doesn't agree with them. The KGB isn't THAT different from the Office of Homeland Security..... From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 7 13:38:57 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> References: <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021107213857.GA8511@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Not Erik quotation: > > I was considering that, but I'm not sure if I could get away with > using a communist as a right-wing example. You're gonna let facts get in the way of this thread? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9yt1wEcl9bQ0RMt0RAjJ6AKCjezL0rqSb+Cm6+XkPUvTtKPliDQCgmMsm gEYeA9r7hWXHvtRlZsCnJH8= =u0ri -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkey at someplace.us Thu Nov 7 14:03:13 2002 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> Message-ID: <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 15:59, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Owen McGee ----- > > 10/30/02 - An important message to all employees: > > Dear Fellow Railroader, > > Yesterday, the FBI issued a warning to state and local law enforcement > agencies that the U.S. railroads could be the target of a terrorist > attack. Is the a real threat, or one of the ones Ashcroft makes up to keep us on our toes? > No one is allowed on CSX property or locomotives without proper > identification. Anyone entering our property must identify himself or > herself as an employee, contractor, federal or state inspector (FRA, > NTSB, Public Utilities Commission, etc.) and must have the proper > identification. You should immediately report anyone without proper > identification or any suspicious activity by contacting your local > supervisor or the CSXT Police Communications Center at 1-800-232-0144. Thank God the terrorists don't have access to fake ID. We'd really be up the creek then! From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 14:14:44 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211071714.44983.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin #2 of Berkeley's quote: | Thank you for demonstrating the unfounded, narrow-minded arrogance | of The American Right that I was talking about. you're the one who refers to yourself as #2 -- i was merely agreeing with you. | They already do, at an alarming imbalance. We get the lion's share | of natural resources, and in our gratitude return the favor my | emitting the lion's share of pollution. i'm hoping that parroting bullshit is getting you laid or something, because as a matter of forensic eloquence it suggests only that your next original thought will be your first. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 7 14:17:32 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> References: <20021105232103.GJ23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Just as most Americans didn't approve of terrorism on September 10th, > 2001. If by Americans, you mean the people who inhabit the USA, not the whole continent. NB: I didn't approve it, of course. But generalizing who an american wins might make you lose your argument, and I wouldn't want to let that happen to you. -- Carlos Laviola From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 7 14:18:12 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021107221812.GL31792@zork.net> begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > > No one is allowed on CSX property or locomotives without proper > > identification. Anyone entering our property must identify himself > > or herself as an employee, contractor, federal or state inspector > > (FRA, NTSB, Public Utilities Commission, etc.) and must have the > > proper identification. You should immediately report anyone > > without proper identification or any suspicious activity by > > contacting your local supervisor or the CSXT Police Communications > > Center at 1-800-232-0144. > > Thank God the terrorists don't have access to fake ID. We'd really > be up the creek then! Yep. This is definitely an anti-hobo act. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 7 14:24:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021107222435.GM31792@zork.net> begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:15:27PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > Just as most Americans didn't approve of terrorism on September > > 10th, 2001. > > If by Americans, you mean the people who inhabit the USA, not the > whole continent. Two continents, even! We dug a big berlin trench to keep you guys out! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 14:41:07 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ah, canadia! Message-ID: <200211071741.07540.dep@linuxandmain.com> A New Brunswick father is suing the provincial amateur hockey association after his 16-year-old son failed to win the league's most-valuable-player award. Michael Croteau is seeking $300,000 in psychological and punitive damages from the association. He is also demanding that the MVP trophy be taken from the boy who won it and given to his son, Steven, as well as the league's playmaker award, which was awarded to a different boy. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021107/SHOCKX/Front/frontpage/frontSports_temp/4/4/5/ -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 14:43:24 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the canadian contagion spreads westward Message-ID: <200211071743.24092.dep@linuxandmain.com> A Wasilla man despondent over Tuesday's elections knocked out power to more than 30,000 homes and businesses from Mat-Su to Fairbanks and critically burned himself after climbing a 230,000-volt electrical tower near Point MacKenzie, Alaska State Troopers said. http://adn.com/alaska/story/2090704p-2187705c.html -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From modus at as220.org Thu Nov 7 15:56:20 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107210725.GC16602@laviola.org>; from carlos@laviola.org on Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 07:07:25PM -0200 References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107163429.A958@as220.org> <20021107210725.GC16602@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021107185620.B3832@as220.org> Carlos Laviola looked into the void, and said: > > ha ha 'wa' > But the keys are right next to each other! Okay, I guess making fun of typos is dumb. -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 7 14:51:04 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the canadian contagion spreads westward In-Reply-To: <200211071743.24092.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200211071743.24092.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021107225104.GO31792@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > http://adn.com/alaska/story/2090704p-2187705c.html more from that article: > "He knew where he was at, what had happened and everything else. He > said, 'I've been electrocuted,' and he knew he had climbed up there > waiting for a sign from Bush," the trooper said. The conclusion is obvious. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 14:53:57 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211072136.gA7LaOnd023081@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> <200211072136.gA7LaOnd023081@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20021107225356.GD2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:36:24PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > Sure. Communists and right-wingers are alike in that they hate anybody who > doesn't agree with them. The KGB isn't THAT different from the Office of > Homeland Security..... So what you mean is Communists are the same thing as .*-wingers, in that they hate anybody who doesn't agree with them? -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 14:54:26 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107213857.GA8511@eiv.com> References: <20021106012636.GK5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106023041.GN23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106024753.GN5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106042455.GA24840@dasbistro.com> <87wunrxolu.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106053856.GE24840@dasbistro.com> <20021107205906.GA16602@laviola.org> <20021107212625.GC2427@dasbistro.com> <20021107213857.GA8511@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021107225426.GE2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 04:38:57PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > You're gonna let facts get in the way of this thread? Hasn't stopped me before! -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 15:00:51 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021107230051.GF2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:17:32PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > If by Americans, you mean the people who inhabit the USA, not the whole > continent. Oh, Good God, spare us your rhetorical hair-splitting. If someone were talking about Canadians on this list, you know that specific enough terms would be used. Your inability to accept a commonly-used term to identify a group of people is not the problem of good old fashioned God-fearing mom-and-apple-pie absolutely one hundred percent patriotic heterosexual Republican Americans from the USA. I have no time for your panty-waist libberal Canadia me-too crap. I'm on chewin tobbacky duty for the next NRA/Jerry Falwell pancake breakfast and book-lighting, and that's a damn big job. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 15:01:55 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021107221812.GL31792@zork.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021107221812.GL31792@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021107230155.GG2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:18:12PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Yep. This is definitely an anti-hobo act. HOBOPHOBIA!!! -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From aelmore at interwoven.com Thu Nov 7 15:16:40 2002 From: aelmore at interwoven.com (Andrew Elmore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] the canadian contagion spreads westward In-Reply-To: <20021107225104.GO31792@zork.net> References: <200211071743.24092.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107225104.GO31792@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021107231640.GH75772@interwoven.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 02:51:04PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin dep quotation: > > http://adn.com/alaska/story/2090704p-2187705c.html > > more from that article: > > "He knew where he was at, what had happened and everything else. He > > said, 'I've been electrocuted,' and he knew he had climbed up there > > waiting for a sign from Bush," the trooper said. somewhat more interestingly: > Naczi's wife had called state troopers Tuesday morning to report her > husband missing. She was concerned about him, Burkmire said. Troopers > put out a message to be on the lookout for him, but did not find him > until he called from the fire station, Burkmire said. > > "He needed some help," the trooper said. "Unfortunately, we couldn't > find him yesterday to get him to the help." From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 7 15:17:18 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211071714.44983.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, dep wrote: > begin #2 of Berkeley's quote: > > | Thank you for demonstrating the unfounded, narrow-minded arrogance > | of The American Right that I was talking about. > > you're the one who refers to yourself as #2 -- i was merely agreeing > with you. I wouldn't expect you to get the reference. http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2002q1/025676.html From helpdesk at fuck-everything.org Thu Nov 7 15:24:51 2002 From: helpdesk at fuck-everything.org (Thank you, come again!) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107230051.GF2427@dasbistro.com> References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <87adknzfca.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106142551.GC1934@eiv.com> <87znsmoesj.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021106173155.GB2605@eiv.com> <20021107210316.GB16602@laviola.org> <20021107211527.GC8337@eiv.com> <20021107221732.GA21468@laviola.org> <20021107230051.GF2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <1036711492.18902.72151.camel@amory> On Thu, 2002-11-07 at 18:00, Not Erik wrote: > On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:17:32PM -0200, Carlos Laviola wrote: > > If by Americans, you mean the people who inhabit the USA, not the whole > > continent. > I have no time for your panty-waist libberal Canadia me-too crap. ^^^^^^^ ITYM Brazilia. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 7 15:46:11 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107210818.GB8337@eiv.com> Message-ID: > begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > > > They already do, at an alarming imbalance. We get the lion's share of > > natural resources, and in our gratitude return the favor my emitting the > > lion's share of pollution. > > Actually, we pale in comparison to China's output of pollution according to who? Dick Cheney? Not according to the Sierra Club: http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/suvreport/pollution.asp Hell, even Dubya said that the U.S. pollutes more than China, although he wrongly stated that China would eventually pollute more because of its "huge population and endless coal reserves". In fact, the opposite has occurred. China has reduced greenhouse gas emissions significantly, while the U.S. continues to increase its output. http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/GlobalWarming/Articles/ChinaCuts.asp From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 7 17:34:30 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211072034.30697.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin #2 of Berkeley's quote: | I wouldn't expect you to get the reference. and i would not expect you to recognize that there is another, more common, reference. fortunately, in this case they overlap. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 7 17:48:43 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 12:19:11 -0800") References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ne" == Not Erik writes: ne> POT and KETTLE (together): okay we get the point Final Solution Boy. There are TWO SIDES to every issue. not three. not four. Two. There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. Anyone who advocates a ``position'', or even a method of analysis or criticism is an extremist wing-nut. The people who are closest to correct are the ``moderates'' who know better than to trust all this clever gabbing called ``thinking''---instead, they identify the TWO SIDES discussed above, and choose a little of both. no need to do anything drastic like, I don't know, thinking. In fact, thinking inevitably leads to the extremism of the discredited LEFTIST ACADEMY. Instead, find the two loudest voices, ignore everyone else, and take an average---this is what the truly smart people do instead of thinking. Especially when one of the two voices is the TeeVee, the MOUTHPIECE of the PLUTOCRATIC JUNTA. Trust your television. Trust USA Today. because they have the backing of ancient deep-rooted multinational corporations and rich plutocrats like Knight-Ridder and Rupert Murdoch. Don't trust those gullable Europeans with their inferior news sources. Don't trust those professors who have devoted their lives to studying the history and present of human politics. Trust television, a little. Trust Frank Chu, a little. Choose a little of each. Balance BOTH SIDES of the issue. Be a right-wing moderate fascist. -- To ensure our security tomorrow, we will have to be sure that the poor of the world have a future. Social inequality will erode the legitimacy of the global capitalist system over time just as surely as the absence of freedom eroded communism from within. -- Mikhail Gorbachev From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 7 17:58:54 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] TRON showing at act I&II in Berkeley, 9 Nov 2002 at midnight! Message-ID: <20021108015853.GD29493@zork.net> WHY would you be standing on Center Street this Saturday, waiting in a long line for the stroke of midnight? BECAUSE, man! Somewhere in one of these... theaters... IS THE MOVIE! THIS SATURDAY at the Act1&2 Theater in Berkeley, CA, the MIDNIGHT MOVIE is.... ______ ____ ___ _ _ |_ _| |___ \ / _ \ | \ | | | | ___\_| | / \ | | \_| | | | | _ \ | \_/ | | |~\ | |__| |_| \_\ \___/ |_| \_| So meet us all for dinner at 9pm at Cancun Taqueria on Allston near Shattuck: http://www.themenupage.com/cancun.html That... is just... what I need... right now. They close around 10pm, so we'll probably relocate to Jupiter or something while we wait for the theater to open. The box office says they open at 5, so you can get your tickets ready beforehand. Just to clarify: the film starts at the midnight which marks the *end* of Saturday and the *beginning* of Sunday. http://www.landmarktheatres.com/Market/SanFranciscoEastBay/Act1&2.htm Now THAT is a BIG DOOR! -- I WANT HIM IN THE GAMES UNTIL HE DIES PLAYING END OF LINE From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 7 18:15:15 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021108021515.GI2427@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:48:43PM -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: > okay we get the point Final Solution Boy. Oh good I'm about to get trolled... > There are TWO SIDES to every issue. not three. not four. Two. Yes, that's... whaaaaa? He can't be serious! Exactly two? This is intriguing. I must read on! > There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. Anyone who advocates a ``position'', or He's right, and he's doing that great CAPS thing for emphasis! I hope I get to see more of that. It makes the text so EASY to READ! > even a method of analysis or criticism is an extremist wing-nut. The Wait! Method of analysis! He's mocking me! > people who are closest to correct are the ``moderates'' who know OMG! Quotation marks around the word "moderates!" I've seen sarcastic quotation marks before, and I think that's what I'm getting here. Now I'm in for it... > better than to trust all this clever gabbing called > ``thinking''---instead, they identify the TWO SIDES discussed above, HOLY SHIT! You mean that "liberals suck" "conservatives suck" stuff is THINKING? so THAT'S what I've been doing wrong all this time. I'd better pick a side now so Miles Nordin doesn't see me as incapable of thinking! Good thing there are only two sides to pick from! > and choose a little of both. A little of both. Right. I'm not falling for your troll. Someone tell me whose platform to follow, quick! > no need to do anything drastic like, I don't know, thinking. In fact, There he goes again! Thinking is the act of polarizing to a partisan line and applying someone else's ideology to everything. I'd better enter that into my Palm Pilot so I don't forget. > thinking inevitably leads to the extremism of the discredited LEFTIST OK, so only LEFTISTS think. If I want people to believe I THINK, I'm going to have to polarize as a LEFTIST! This is so easy... I'll just need to carry around some LEFTIST PROPAGANDA so I can decide how to THINK about the issues... > ACADEMY. Instead, find the two loudest voices, ignore everyone else, > and take an average---this is what the truly smart people do instead > of thinking. Right! Only the incredibly STUPID would choose that when they can engage in PARTISAN POOP-FLINGING! I mean, picking the middle would be as stupid as believing all centrists simply split the difference between the RIGHT and the LEFT, wouldn't it? (as an aside, how am I doing with this CAPS thing? Is it helping my argument? Because I think it makes me more credible. I mean, it's clearly working for you.) > Especially when one of the two voices is the TeeVee, the MOUTHPIECE of > the PLUTOCRATIC JUNTA. Trust your television. Trust USA Today. OMG! The TV is controlled by the Republican Party! It's just like the X-FILES, only it's REALLY HAPPENING! Just like the CHUPACABRA! > because they have the backing of ancient deep-rooted multinational > corporations and rich plutocrats like Knight-Ridder and Rupert > Murdoch. Rich people are evil, check. > Don't trust those gullable Europeans with their inferior news > sources. But Europeans smell bad. How could I trust someone who smells bad? > Don't trust those professors who have devoted their lives to > studying the history and present of human politics. Yeah, cuz everyone knows that only REGISTERED DEMOCRATS and RALPH NADER have an IQ over 80. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 7 18:17:38 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:27 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021108021515.GI2427@dasbistro.com> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108021515.GI2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021108021737.GF29493@zork.net> This is like watching epileptic children finger-paint. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 8 00:07:46 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Another heads-up...Uncle Pete this time] Message-ID: <20021108080746.GF10960@zork.net> Ha ha Union Pacific Dig #17! ----- Forwarded message from Owen McGee ----- U.P. is distributing the following notice to its employees in the Southern California area (and perhaps other locations as well). HELP US STOP TERRORISM BEFORE IT HAPPENS. Suspicious Activity Examples: 01 Unknown persons photographing facilities. 02 Unknown persons attempting to gain access to facilities. 03 Unknown persons loitering in vicinity for extended periods. 04 Suspicious individuals establishing businesses or roadside food stands adjacent or in proximity to facilities. 05 Unknown persons calling facilities to ascertain security, personnel, or standard operating procedures. 06 Vehicles with personnel in them loitering and perhaps taking photographs or creating diagrams of facilities. 07 Small boats with personnel in them loitering and perhaps taking photographs or creating diagrams of facilities. 08 Suspicious general aviation aircraft operating in proximity to facilities. 09 Unknown persons attempting to gain information about facilities by walking up to personnel or families and engaging them in a conversation. 10 Suspicious vendor attempting to sell merchandise. 11 Theft from facility vehicles, vehicle passes, personnel identification, personnel uniforms, or standard operating procedure documents. 12 Theft of standard operating documents. 13 Unknown suspicious workmen trying to gain access to facilities to repair, replace, service, or install equipment. 14 Suspicious e-mail on internet, public affairs attempting to obtain information regarding the facility, personnel or standard operating procedures. 15 Suspicious package drop off/attempted drop off. 16 Anti-American sentiment being expressed by employees, vendors, or contractors. 17 Anti-American pamphlets or flyers distributed to employees or placed on windshields in parking lots. 18 Unknown swimmers or divers in waters not commonly used for recreation and/or near waterfront facilities and structures that handle oil, hazardous materials or passengers. Contact Union Pacific Risk Management 1-888-UPRR-COP (1-888-877-7267) ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Nov 8 05:44:05 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Miles Nordin's quote: | There are TWO SIDES to every issue. not three. not four. Two. | | There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. not true. i say that if you jump into a vat of molten steel you will die; you say you won't; the demonstration proves me right. so the issue again comes down to what can be knowable as a fact. that is the area where argument takes place. the hoary old story is of the four philosophers on the train who, in the countryside pass some sheep on the hillside. "ah," says one, "the sheep around here are white." "no," says the second, "at least some of the sheep around here are white." "actually," says the third, "at least some of the skeep around here are white on at least one side." "to be accurate," says the fourth, "at least some of the sheep around here are white on at least one side at least part of the time." which is amusing but also often useless, as in: the same four philosophers are in a house that catches fire. "the house is on fire," says one. "no, part of the house is on fire," says the second. "actually," says the third, "part of the house appears to be on fire." the fourth was still formulating his answer when the roof collapsed, killing them all. so there is an additional factor in dealing with the practical that robes us of the luxury of leisure in our contemplation. as in: "prove you exist." "okay, i've got a gun. stand still, right there." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carlos at laviola.org Fri Nov 8 06:34:46 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021108143446.GB24085@laviola.org> On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 08:44:05AM -0500, dep wrote: > begin Miles Nordin's quote: > > | There are TWO SIDES to every issue. not three. not four. Two. > | > | There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. > > not true. i say that if you jump into a vat of molten steel you will > die; you say you won't; the demonstration proves me right. Since you did not specify the conditions for the demonstration, you're being presumptuous in thinking that he wouldn't wear something designed to protect his body from the imminent danger. So the only way you can be right on this is to rely on mr. Nordin's stupidity, which you take for granted. -- Carlos Laviola From jordanb at hafd.org Fri Nov 8 07:08:32 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Another heads-up...Uncle Pete this time] In-Reply-To: <20021108080746.GF10960@zork.net> References: <20021108080746.GF10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <7185.163.191.47.214.1036768112.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Nick Moffitt said: > 04 Suspicious individuals establishing businesses or roadside food > stands adjacent or in proximity to facilities. I fully support this. When any random hotdog vendor can sell his greasy wares to UP employees, the terrorists will have won. > 17 Anti-American pamphlets or flyers distributed to employees or > placed on windshields in parking lots. Are you now or have you ever been.... -- Jordan Bettis This message has been written using my webmail system. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 8 08:27:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021108162759.GG10960@zork.net> SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 8 08:28:51 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Another heads-up...Uncle Pete this time] In-Reply-To: <7185.163.191.47.214.1036768112.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> References: <20021108080746.GF10960@zork.net> <7185.163.191.47.214.1036768112.squirrel@trillian.hafd.org> Message-ID: <20021108162851.GH10960@zork.net> begin Jordan Bettis quotation: > Nick Moffitt said: > > 04 Suspicious individuals establishing businesses or roadside food > > stands adjacent or in proximity to facilities. > > I fully support this. When any random hotdog vendor can sell his > greasy wares to UP employees, the terrorists will have won. YOU ARE EITHER WITH TASTYTRONIC INDUSTRIES OR AGAINST US! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Nov 8 08:39:11 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:27:59 PST." <20021108162759.GG10960@zork.net> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021108162759.GG10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211081639.gA8GdCC8006991@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 08:27:59 PST, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP Obviously, the taunters have already won. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 8 10:17:32 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021108181732.GH19379@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Trolldozer quotation: > Trust USA Today. Tomorrow the world! - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9y/+2jLHcIq3dHxYRAs4CAKDD3FthoEyQS/rvKy4hyWh3qYv77wCgpdqa 8ZZNdaC6UOdXKz/gNKG6bhs= =H1Wd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 8 10:46:06 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107210633.GA8337@eiv.com> References: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> <20021107210633.GA8337@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021108184606.GI19379@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > Eisenhower was a Democrat who registered Republican. If he hadn't had > the good sense to die of a heart attack, you'd be writing this email in > Russian. You know, I've been wanting to learn Russian for a while now, but since it's not actually a pressing need or anything, I'm loathe to pay the $100 or so to buy a set of CDs and book, and I don't really feel I have the free time to go out and take a class. So what you're saying is that I MISSED OUT on a chance to learn Russian FOR FREE? What's this world coming to? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zAZrjLHcIq3dHxYRAlohAJ9uKlCjPhb0W7WM63cbltK8dGKRoQCeN8dt QaV0r8KUy71vb6cGartPSvE= =y6r7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From montaigne at att.net Fri Nov 8 11:52:31 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> On Thu, Nov 07, 2002 at 08:48:43PM -0500, Miles Nordin wrote: > There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. Anyone who advocates a ``position'', or > even a method of analysis or criticism is an extremist wing-nut. Nordin, honey, tell me you're joking! Please! Am I going to have to stop calling you "one of the smartest people on that stupid list?" -- montaigne From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Nov 8 12:44:35 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> Message-ID: <20021108204435.GR2427@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 02:52:31PM -0500, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > Am I going to have to stop calling you "one of the smartest people on that > stupid list?" High praise indeed! -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 8 12:49:57 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > > Is the a real threat, or one of the ones Ashcroft makes up to keep us on > our toes? We may never know, but since CSX tracks pass within 50 meters of my house, I'd prefer to err on the side of "watch out for suspicious stuff" than "get a half blowed-up train through yer bedroom". - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zCN0Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAjXrAKCDlZab33V0SUXqeprX3AtidE+jOgCghYUo qoTgRwWRNSFzJeoT5qwpdF0= =NxBg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 8 12:53:24 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021108205324.GK10960@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > We may never know, but since CSX tracks pass within 50 meters of my > house, I'd prefer to err on the side of "watch out for suspicious > stuff" than "get a half blowed-up train through yer bedroom". I'm sure you'll let us know if any burrito trucks start hanging around. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 8 12:57:16 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021108205324.GK10960@zork.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <20021108205324.GK10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021108205716.GA13525@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > I'm sure you'll let us know if any burrito trucks start > hanging around. I'll have cousin John (http://heart7.net/mcf/alex-sri.htm) add it to your file. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zCUsEcl9bQ0RMt0RAsgnAKDvAU8TGo2Cz9l0HLNX7iYwsIeGjgCgrw04 Sp//WVc4BKpgkwYkxg9hg2c= =FnCC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkey at someplace.us Fri Nov 8 13:23:04 2002 From: monkey at someplace.us (Monkey from the other side of the jungle) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 15:49, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > > > > Is the a real threat, or one of the ones Ashcroft makes up to keep us on > > our toes? > > We may never know, but since CSX tracks pass within 50 meters of my > house, I'd prefer to err on the side of "watch out for suspicious stuff" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > than "get a half blowed-up train through yer bedroom". ITYM "pseudo-caution". Also, please see "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 8 13:38:41 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> Message-ID: <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > > Also, please see "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". > http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html Also please see "the boy who decided it was none of his business and that he would be considered a racist if he mentioned the Arab gentleman who was asking funny questions about airplanes". http://www.uwnyc.org/sep11/ The boy who cried wolf resulted in only one death. Not that I'm advocating crying wolf; but harkening back to schoolboy days of "nobody likes a tattletale" is getting people killed. Some of them nice people. That guide to what to look for was clearly loony; but that doesn't mean there isn't value in citizens reporting suspicious behavior they see around the railroad tracks. Worst that happens is the cops drop by to check out the burrito stand. If it's got burritos and a permit, maybe they eat a couple burritos and go on their way. If it's got C4 and detonators, maybe they save a few hundred lives. This is no different than asking people to report strangers climbing over the fence into the neighbor's back yard. Maybe it's a family member you don't recognize, maybe it's some guy with poor judgement just passing through, and maybe it's a peeping Tom wacking off watching some 8 year old girl in the bathroom. Or a burglar. Or a crazed ex-boyfriend with a knife. We consider "report weird system shit to your administrator" to be common-sense computer security advice. Why is it any different to say "report weird shit to the police?" Doesn't that beat spending billions on more police who will have to find something to do? That something is likely to be beating up on dopers. I'd rather have fewer cops and more tattletales. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zC7gEcl9bQ0RMt0RAmVtAJ4impnD6dI2lg7ys9+aaMBTLB9RdACguHmy YzuRqlLl1GtJ+RYY/nlHXIo= =WL0P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Nov 8 14:55:30 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] must be something in his crack Message-ID: <200211081755.30916.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=1004605 A Cedar Crest man mutilated and burned his beloved house cats and sprayed insecticide on a female friend because he thought they were shapeshifters. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Nov 8 15:00:51 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] must be something in his crack In-Reply-To: <200211081755.30916.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200211081755.30916.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021108230051.GS2427@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 05:55:30PM -0500, dep wrote: > A Cedar Crest man mutilated and burned his beloved house cats and ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not very beloved if he mutilated and burned them. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 8 15:09:11 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> You fucking twits. You complete and total fucking useless CRETINS. You've twitted off one of the most useful contributing members of this list with your incessant yammering and "I know you are but what am I" crap. You've all taken a paragon of loopy sideways ramblings and turned it into fucking USENET for krissakes. I want the whole lot of you morons OUT OF HERE. Take your GODDAMN snivelings about the Ashkrofft pogroms WITH YOU. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- sneakums@zork.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri Nov 8 15:27:58 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] must be something in his crack In-Reply-To: <20021108230051.GS2427@dasbistro.com> References: <200211081755.30916.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021108230051.GS2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200211081827.58522.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Not Erik's quote: | Not very beloved if he mutilated and burned them. it was for their own good. you know how them shapeshifters is. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From montaigne at att.net Fri Nov 8 15:52:49 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> References: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021108235248.GC19781@localhost> On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 03:09:11PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > You've twitted off one of the most useful contributing members of this > list with your incessant yammering and "I know you are but what am I" > crap. I understand your frustration but would feel more comfortable if there was some hint that you take a bit of the responsibility yourself. You have allowed said fucking twits to run riot, tell each other to get the fuck of _their_ list, and generally trample on all that is essentially crackmonkey. A strong hand was needed, but was found wanting. We must start anew... -- montaigne From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Nov 8 17:45:37 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:52:31 -0500") References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> Message-ID: >>>>> "mdm" == Michel de Montaigne writes: mdm> Am I going to have to stop calling you "one of the smartest mdm> people on that stupid list?" Yes. You will have to stop calling me anything at all. Don't call me. Don't mention me. Forget my email address, and get on with your life, such as it is. -- My other computer is also not a PeeCee. From carton at Ivy.NET Fri Nov 8 17:53:40 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021108235248.GC19781@localhost> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 18:52:49 -0500") References: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> <20021108235248.GC19781@localhost> Message-ID: >>>>> "mdm" == Michel de Montaigne writes: mdm> I understand your frustration but would feel more comfortable mdm> if there was some hint that you take a bit of the mdm> responsibility Look, twit. You obviously know who you are, or you wouldn't have replied this way. It's not complicated. Since you KNOW you're a twit, why don't you just leave. NOW. mdm> We must start anew... No. Just fucking leave already. We both know you're useless and don't belong here. Since we all understand, what's the problem? Why won't you GO already? -- Le fascisme est la dictature ouverte de la bourgeoisie. -- Georg Dimitrov From modus at as220.org Fri Nov 8 19:23:51 2002 From: modus at as220.org (Matt Obert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 03:09:11PM -0800 References: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021108222351.A26890@as220.org> Nick Moffitt looked into the void, and said: > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > sneakums@zork.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- What? sneakums gone? I'm outta here! -- +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ | Random Oedipus | "No one can do to the Disney Corporation what | | RI Pseudo Nomad | Walt Disney did to the Brothers Grimm." | | Modus Operandi | -- Lawrence Lessig | | modus@as220.org | http://www.eff.org/IP/freeculture/ | +-----------------+-----------------------------------------------+ From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 8 18:55:57 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021109025557.GN10960@zork.net> Well, he certainly was thorough. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- modus@woozle.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. modus@as220.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jesux at unix.tm Fri Nov 8 20:18:06 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Blastwave Message-ID: <20021109151806.A6186@blackbird.intercode.com.au> ?What a GREAT idea! CSW - Community SoftWare for Solaris http://www.blastwave.com/ This is an effort to create a set of binary packages of free software, that can be automatically installed to a Solaris computer (sparc or x86 based) over the network. It is inspired by the Debian Linux project. Someone give these kids a nickel. - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 8 20:20:22 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021109042022.GA27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Monkey from the other side of the jungle quotation: > > > > Also, please see "The Boy Who Cried Wolf". > > http://www.storyarts.org/library/aesops/stories/boy.html > > Also please see "the boy who decided it was none of his business and > that he would be considered a racist if he mentioned the Arab gentleman > who was asking funny questions about airplanes". > http://www.uwnyc.org/sep11/ > > The boy who cried wolf resulted in only one death. Not that I'm > advocating crying wolf; but harkening back to schoolboy days of "nobody > likes a tattletale" is getting people killed. Some of them nice people. You didn't actually read it, did you? The kid lost the whole flock! And, as we all know from Sunday School, by sheep we mean Christians. > That guide to what to look for was clearly loony; but that doesn't mean > there isn't value in citizens reporting suspicious behavior they see > around the railroad tracks. Worst that happens is the cops drop by to > check out the burrito stand. If it's got burritos and a permit, maybe > they eat a couple burritos and go on their way. If it's got C4 and > detonators, maybe they save a few hundred lives. Here, let's let our good friend Venn explain something for you: _____ _____ / \/ \ / /\ \ ( ( ) ) \ \/ / / \ /\ / \ / --- --- \ Burritos C4 and and Permit detonators - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zI0EjLHcIq3dHxYRAmKMAJ9WPzqRd82AIHP3vRN4Tto5M95DAgCeOfsa EZ2lIG02JszUHWhJQTZHhH8= =9Iyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jesux at unix.tm Fri Nov 8 20:32:17 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021109153217.A6360@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Ok, now we're really screwed. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- nick@zork.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au Fri Nov 8 20:44:37 2002 From: Edward.Lang at anu.edu.au (Edward C. Lang) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021109153217.A6360@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20021109153217.A6360@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <1036817077.29509.4.camel@protein> On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 15:32, James Moffitt wrote: > Ok, now we're really screwed. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > nick@zork.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > So um, how are you getting notification that Nick unsubscribed? Maybe it would be best if this list was put to rest at Sean's behest before it became a contest of the worst dressed. Or whatever. You guys aren't fun any more. You've been slurping the lemon juice for too long. -- http://www.tsumakin.net/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 8 21:52:42 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> References: <20021108230911.GM10960@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021109055242.GB27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > sneakums@zork.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- That's it! Just for that, no more pirate joke! That's right, I'm commenting out the procmail recipe RIGHT NOW! - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zKKnjLHcIq3dHxYRAvgIAJoCKR9A1okoMe5Da8jMVEbHEi2TNACeMTNR rUA0xTG7PBakeRl7c8BI3CU= =cnYx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri Nov 8 22:10:43 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:20:22 CST." <20021109042022.GA27924@8ball.wox.org> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <20021109042022.GA27924@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200211090610.gA96Ai8S002625@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:20:22 CST, Citizen Hicks said: > Here, let's let our good friend Venn explain something for you: > _____ _____ > / \/ \ > / /\ \ > ( ( ) ) > \ \/ / > / \ /\ / \ > / --- --- \ > Burritos C4 > and and > Permit detonators I pity the forensics guy who has to decide if it was C4 or just too much beans... From nick at zork.net Sat Nov 9 10:16:07 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021109181607.GR10960@zork.net> IT IS BEGINNING ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- andrew-cm@lexical.org.uk has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Sat Nov 9 11:34:23 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <1036817077.29509.4.camel@protein> References: <20021109153217.A6360@blackbird.intercode.com.au> <1036817077.29509.4.camel@protein> Message-ID: <20021109193423.GA4768@columbus.rr.com> On Sat, Nov 09, 2002 at 03:44:37PM +1100, "Edward C. Lang" wrote: > Maybe it would be best if this list was put to rest at Sean's behest > before it became a contest of the worst dressed. Bad monkey drives out good monkey, as the Libertarians say. -- Matthew W. Miller mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From dep at linuxandmain.com Sat Nov 9 13:44:36 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fwd: Proxys needed Message-ID: <200211091644.36584.dep@linuxandmain.com> pretty good cause here if someone has the bandwidth and it's accessible. if you don't know what this is about, take a look here: http://www.linuxandmain.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=277 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Proxys needed Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 13:48:50 -0500 From: "David A. Bandel" To: linux-users@linux-sxs.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Folks, I need to see if someone with a fast (256k+) line is willing to set up a proxy server to proxy calls for DialPad. This will not be a general use proxy. This is for perhaps 6-8 calls over the next week. One or two to test, then a demonstration for the Ente Regulador (the idiots that mandated blockage of VoIP ports in Panama with a monstrously stupid resolution). The object is to use port 53 UDP for the voice circuit, so we can't use a DNS box. The resolution is so worded that they will have to order a block of port 53. Once that happens, Panama goes back to the 19th century (internet blackout). There are better ways to do what they want to do, we just need to make them listen -- and C&W won't buy our options (they rammed this through, we want to ram it down their throats). If you are willing to help, please contact me off-list. BTW, there's no $$$ here, just helping a good cause. TIA, David A. Bandel - -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9zViS3uVcotqGMQcRAiANAKCIQjdN2Md3JFa5zQckAetHi2A9fwCeKTGY n60jMblo7b4gmczsZogelmU= =hYV5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------------------- -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Sat Nov 9 21:49:05 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org: CrackMonkey post from shelly67j3hd@hotmail.com requires approval] Message-ID: <20021110054904.GC30021@zork.net> I can't wait to see the rest of this. ----- Forwarded message from crackmonkey-admin@crackmonkey.org ----- As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: CrackMonkey@crackmonkey.org From: shelly67j3hd@hotmail.com Subject: Ass wrecking session. Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Sun Nov 10 10:18:12 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> What is that, your citizen ID number? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- 0272456089@djuice.co.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun Nov 10 15:33:36 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:18:12 PST." <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> References: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211102333.gAANXb8S022862@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 10:18:12 PST, Nick Moffitt said: > What is that, your citizen ID number? > 0272456089@djuice.co.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. Sheep ID. Aren't that many citizens there. From dave at mikamyla.com Sun Nov 10 22:18:50 2002 From: dave at mikamyla.com (The True Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> References: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021111061850.GA22876@mikamyla.com> Quothe Nick Moffitt , on Sun, Nov 10, 2002: > What is that, your citizen ID number? > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > 0272456089@djuice.co.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. Perhaps it's the number of characters before his MUA wraps a line. -- =================-------------------------------========================= | Dave Barry | All the freaky people make | dave@mikamyla.com | | ... | the beauty of the world. | http://psax.org/~dave | | | --Michael Franti | | =================-------------------------------========================= From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 11 09:20:49 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco Message-ID: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993039 "Smoking pure marijuana is at least as harmful to lungs as smoking tobacco, a report from the British Lung Foundation concludes. And in some key ways, it may be more dangerous." Not counting the whole "get arrested" thing. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z+bwEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkJaAJ4scAt3vAmLPxk5gdKz7OhXX+C9WACcCnQf Yivh29FwtLkO0/sisp9BadQ= =SHL3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 11 09:38:00 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia Message-ID: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 A quote from a friend: "Plus, I had so much fun in Canada that I almost stayed there for another week -- as a handy tip to other future American travelers to the Queen City of Ontario, you still don't need your passport to get into Canada, but you really kind of do need it to get back into the U.S. afterwards." Note that Ken is about as white as you can get short of transparency. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z+r3Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAlcdAKDfgdzLDrrnuxkBkLQMG2TaZjK4awCePIxo Tgn+3x2emzimAkIgAOvCFf0= =tLIx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 11 10:11:01 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021111181101.GL30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Note that Ken is about as white as you can get short of transparency. Albino, then? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 11 10:16:53 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111181101.GL30021@zork.net> References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> <20021111181101.GL30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021111181653.GA14013@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > Note that Ken is about as white as you can get short of transparency. > > Albino, then? No; but albinos who saw him dance would say "damn, that man is white". See the cover of "Suppressed Transmission 2" in your local game shop for an eye-searing exposure to all that is Ken. http://www.sjgames.com/suppressed2/ Then buy it and the first book, for an interesting melding of history, alternate history, and conspiracy theory. Ken's quite mad. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z/QUEcl9bQ0RMt0RAh+/AKD4rk2yCc7rjMX3FT4V/fI6G36Q8wCgwEOt ZsqXYNNj+5iL6cMRqGh5+lQ= =dvg/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 11 10:19:07 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111181653.GA14013@eiv.com> References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> <20021111181101.GL30021@zork.net> <20021111181653.GA14013@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021111181907.GN30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > http://www.sjgames.com/suppressed2/ > > Then buy it and the first book, for an interesting melding of > history, alternate history, and conspiracy theory. Ken's quite mad. Sorry, I don't follow The Star Track. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 11 10:22:29 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111181907.GN30021@zork.net> References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> <20021111181101.GL30021@zork.net> <20021111181653.GA14013@eiv.com> <20021111181907.GN30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021111182229.GA14079@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > Sorry, I don't follow The Star Track. Try turning on the closed captioning. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z/VkEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkcXAJ92g/nDwncywuI5mmgev5vhpSWuLACgxlJq GIU0yYpdvrAELnXHsCJV7jI= =mM9C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 11 10:30:34 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco In-Reply-To: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993039 > "Smoking pure marijuana is at least as harmful to lungs as smoking > tobacco, a report from the British Lung Foundation concludes. And in > some key ways, it may be more dangerous." > > Not counting the whole "get arrested" thing. http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9257 "The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February, 2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient in cannabis. " - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z/dHjLHcIq3dHxYRAgmDAKD1qvOwekrPWsQoImoWw59fv9HYSgCdFh43 ZVyePu7VWYeIiFOAaOknreA= =gS4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon Nov 11 10:33:24 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021111183324.GF27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > A quote from a friend: > > "Plus, I had so much fun in Canada that I almost stayed there for > another week -- as a handy tip to other future American travelers to the > Queen City of Ontario, you still don't need your passport to get into > Canada, but you really kind of do need it to get back into the U.S. > afterwards." > > Note that Ken is about as white as you can get short of transparency. Please don't search me, I'm white. Thanks. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z/fzjLHcIq3dHxYRAsRrAJ0aF++oNmuR+2tUJhrxN315HnfymQCdHojJ W1iSrzTy7ZhSfpmm+oEmgDc= =bJXZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Mon Nov 11 10:36:17 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco In-Reply-To: <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Citizen Hicks quotation: > > http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=9257 > > "The term medical marijuana took on dramatic new meaning in February, > 2000 when researchers in Madrid announced they had destroyed incurable > brain tumors in rats by injecting them with THC, the active ingredient > in cannabis. " So, you get to choose; smoke marijuana and die of lung cancer, or don't and die of brain cancer. Kind of like the "take Nexxium or whatever they call it this week and die of colon cancer, or don't take it and die of esophageal cancer" choice, only lots more fun. Maybe they could make a THC patch? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9z/igEcl9bQ0RMt0RAg/yAKDg2k/h0lAjCO4QBw02bZmYlnRCegCeM+mc VqSWNnxwjY5eYmPh3X+o6To= =m2sN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon Nov 11 10:40:56 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:28 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco In-Reply-To: <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021111184055.GO30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Maybe they could make a THC patch? Here in San Francisco we call them "brownies". -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon Nov 11 11:02:19 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco In-Reply-To: <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> Message-ID: <1037041339.3dcffebbe917d@webmail.spamcop.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon : > So, you get to choose; smoke marijuana and die of lung cancer, or don't > and die of brain cancer. Close, but not quite: the fundamental life choice is between cancer and _psychosis_. Stay clear-minded and watch your body go down the shitter, or take good care of your body and go stark raving nuts in the process. This is (obviously) an extremely unholistic pov, very politically incorrect, but it is a view held, more or less, by many modern psychoanalysts, especially those who follow Hyman Spotnitz' footsteps. But then these same analysts, many of them, believe abortion is a form of self-mutilation, so following the PC line is not high on their agenda to begin with. -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From montaigne at att.net Tue Nov 12 10:31:51 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? Message-ID: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> wtf? So a couple of snobs turn up their little pointy noses and take to the hills, and then Mr. Monkey Muppet Moffitt has a majuh hissy fit. So what? How long are the rest of you nitwits going to observe this period of mourning? Fuck them and all the rest of these California Pansies who think we're being too hard-assed towards the fucking diaperheads. You want to live in a country where schoolchildren are forcibly herded to witness public beheadings of women? Go volunteer to be a human shield in Iraq. There'll be plenty of work for you RSN. -- montaigne From simm at zork.net Tue Nov 12 11:00:46 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112190046.GB9090@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > random rant > Don't you have a Jerry Lewis marathon to watch? -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From squinky at dasbistro.com Tue Nov 12 12:27:04 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:31:51PM -0500, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > wtf? [troll deleted] That thread got stale really quickly. It ended. Get on with your life. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From montaigne at att.net Tue Nov 12 12:54:56 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 12:27:04PM -0800, Not Erik wrote: > That thread got stale really quickly. It ended. Get on with your > life. Well. I must say, even at this early date this appears to have been a most successful troll, netting two complete fucking morons in rather short order! I'll let the stragglers trickle in, and then submit a compilation of the results, suitable for the basis of a Stalinist Purge of the subscriber list. -- montaigne From smcmahon at eiv.com Tue Nov 12 13:14:50 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112211450.GA19105@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > > Well. I must say, even at this early date this appears to have been a most > successful troll, netting two complete fucking morons in rather short order! You and who else? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90W9KEcl9bQ0RMt0RAlRtAJsFyPaKBndb/Ap9KlyeuWoUrZem0gCcDAVT 7xOkxP9ayDcON5m7hcjX+vM= =Kbxx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 12 13:16:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112211635.GI30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Well. I must say, even at this early date this appears to have been > a most successful troll, netting two complete fucking morons in > rather short order! Good old Michel "I meant to act stupid" de Montaigne. Of COURSE your vapid burblings were deliberate. We all believe you and are behind you 100%. Go team! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Tue Nov 12 13:32:32 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112211450.GA19105@eiv.com> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> <20021112211450.GA19105@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021112213232.GE1996@localhost> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:14:50PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > You and who else? Do try and keep up. That's the least you can do in view of the fact that you are responsible for at least 90% of the nitwit factor that has driven some of the more sensible if less tolerant subsribers off this list. -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue Nov 12 13:44:29 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112213232.GE1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> <20021112211450.GA19105@eiv.com> <20021112213232.GE1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112214429.GJ30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:14:50PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > > You and who else? > > Do try and keep up. That's the least you can do in view of the fact > that you are responsible for at least 90% of the nitwit factor that > has driven some of the more sensible if less tolerant subsribers off > this list. McMan, meet the 10%. Now both of you, scram. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Tue Nov 12 13:34:58 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112211635.GI30021@zork.net> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> <20021112211635.GI30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021112213457.GF1996@localhost> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:16:35PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Of COURSE your vapid burblings were deliberate. We all > believe you and are behind you 100%. Go team! Vapid! "Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)" Vapid Vap"id, a. L. vapidus having lost its lire and spirit, vapid; akin to vappa vapid wine, vapor vapor. See Vapor. Having lost its life and spirit; dead; spiritless; insipid; flat; dull; unanimated; as, vapid beer; a vapid speech; a vapid state of the blood. A cheap, bloodless reformation, a guiltless liberty, appear flat and vapid to their taste. --Burke. -- Vap"id*ly, adv. -- Vap"id*ness, n. -- montaigne From jv at zork.net Tue Nov 12 14:05:15 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: Exemplary report (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf?) In-Reply-To: <20021112213457.GF1996@localhost> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> <20021112211635.GI30021@zork.net> <20021112213457.GF1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021112220514.GC15839@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:16:35PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Of COURSE your vapid burblings were deliberate. We all > > believe you and are behind you 100%. Go team! > Vapid! !Oh, oh... here goes Johnnie Five: > "Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)" > Vapid Vap"id, a. L. vapidus having lost its lire and spirit, > vapid; akin to vappa vapid wine, vapor vapor. See Vapor. > Having lost its life and spirit; dead; spiritless; insipid; > flat; dull; unanimated; as, vapid beer; a vapid speech; a > vapid state of the blood. > > A cheap, bloodless reformation, a guiltless liberty, > appear flat and vapid to their taste. --Burke. > > -- Vap"id*ly, adv. -- Vap"id*ness, n. Yes, Johnnie Five, you are truly alive. And exemplary vapid. -jv From jv at zork.net Tue Nov 12 14:40:11 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: It's a telephone number (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification]) In-Reply-To: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> References: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021112224011.GD15839@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > What is that, your citizen ID number? > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > 0272456089@djuice.co.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. "There is no charge to register for djuice services - they are available to you from the time your cdma or digital phone starts working. There's no monthly fees - you simply pay for what you use..." -jv From adam at flounder.net Tue Nov 12 14:38:45 2002 From: adam at flounder.net (Adam McKenna) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: It's a telephone number (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification]) In-Reply-To: <20021112224011.GD15839@zork.net> References: <20021110181811.GE30021@zork.net> <20021112224011.GD15839@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021112223845.GU14133@flounder.net> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 02:40:11PM -0800, Juggler Vain wrote: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > > What is that, your citizen ID number? > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > 0272456089@djuice.co.nz has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > "There is no charge to register for djuice services - they are available > to you from the time your cdma or digital phone starts working. There's > no monthly fees - you simply pay for what you use..." -jv JUICE BY JUGGLER! JUICE BY JUGGLER! From jv at zork.net Tue Nov 12 15:53:11 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: FYI: Dr. Cannabis: "Don't smoke pot" (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Cannabis may be more harmful than tobacco) In-Reply-To: <20021111184055.GO30021@zork.net> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> <20021111184055.GO30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021112235311.GE15839@zork.net> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > Maybe they could make a THC patch? > Here in San Francisco we call them "brownies". Don't smoke pot; inhale volatile cannabinoids. Excerpting Emma Young: "Cannabis-based medicines could be prescribed for medical use in the UK as early as 2003, following the recent success of final-stage trials. But medicinal cannabis is supplied through a mouth spray or in tablet form." From nick at zork.net Tue Nov 12 15:54:19 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021112235419.GM30021@zork.net> I WISH TO LEARN ABOUT YOUR E-COM BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- jonno@ecomindustries.com.au has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Tue Nov 12 18:43:27 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wtf? In-Reply-To: <20021112214429.GJ30021@zork.net> References: <20021112183151.GB1996@localhost> <20021112202704.GA911@dasbistro.com> <20021112205456.GD1996@localhost> <20021112211450.GA19105@eiv.com> <20021112213232.GE1996@localhost> <20021112214429.GJ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113024327.GG1996@localhost> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 01:44:29PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > McMan, meet the 10%. Stuff and nonsense. I haven't been here that long, and have only posted a handful of times. > Now both of you, scram. Monkey Master! -- montaigne From vipvop-cm at musesick.org Tue Nov 12 18:57:06 2002 From: vipvop-cm at musesick.org (MC MeatFlaps) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: FYI: Dr. Cannabis: "Don't smoke pot" In-Reply-To: <20021112235311.GE15839@zork.net> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> <20021111184055.GO30021@zork.net> <20021112235311.GE15839@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113025706.GA6236@gregh.ilan.cogent.net> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 03:53:11PM -0800, Juggler Vain wrote: > Don't smoke pot; inhale volatile cannabinoids. > > Excerpting Emma Young: "Cannabis-based medicines could be prescribed for > medical use in the UK as early as 2003, following the recent success of > final-stage trials. But medicinal cannabis is supplied through a mouth > spray or in tablet form." Damn, I was hoping for a suppository form. -Greg ------------------------ Which Dead Baby Are You? http://www.musesick.org/vv/baby/index.php From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 13 00:24:41 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] SHRDLU Message-ID: <20021113082441.GY30021@zork.net> http://hci.stanford.edu/~winograd/shrdlu/index.html A moment of silence for the linotype machine, a source of employment for the deaf for many years. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 13 00:30:57 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] ITS Message-ID: <20021113083057.GZ30021@zork.net> http://www.its.os.org/ > When we turned off the last ITS machines at MIT (the AI and MC > KS10s), we made their final full dumps available for download via > FTP for a couple of years. We turned that service off when someone > pointed out to us that in addition to keeping some important history > available, we were also making a lot of people's personal projects > and private mail files available! Never mind that guests could have viewed these things while the boxes were UP. Anyway, there are quite a few gems in those things. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jesux at unix.tm Wed Nov 13 05:07:30 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] SHRDLU In-Reply-To: <20021113082441.GY30021@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:24:41AM -0800 References: <20021113082441.GY30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114000730.A27790@blackbird.intercode.com.au> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:24:41AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > A moment of silence for the linotype machine, a source of employment > for the deaf for many years. I wonder too about the legions of blind folk employed by film processing companies. Or is that something not entirely true which I saw in a movie, possibly involving one or more of Sellers, Kubrick and Hitchcock? Perhaps it was a James Bond flick. In any case, it was all rather intriguing and peppered with coarse irony and garish sexual innuendo. Another point: I recently checked out Barbarella on DVD, with the vague notion that it was some kind of funky italian version of Zardoz with a female lead. Boy was I wrong about that. - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 13 09:40:50 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! Message-ID: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20021113_659.html "FDA OKs First Home Defibrillator People can soon plunk down $2,295 for an at-home defibrillator in hopes their loved ones will pull it out and save them if their hearts suddenly stop beating." - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90o6hEcl9bQ0RMt0RAtEBAKCoVmAN07TvrN7RkDXoNYRnPzoaCACePEtA XLBu3b0ZyrWZbz8C4JtNzNc= =6Hnq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 13 10:20:14 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [guest@guest.com: uncertainty principle is untenable !!!] Message-ID: <20021113182014.GB30021@zork.net> I'm with Mister Bad. Chinese scientific kookery spam is A-OK in my book! ----- Forwarded message from guest ----- please reply to hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn or bipgong@hotmail.com, thank you. UNCERTAINTY PRINCIPLE IS UNTENABLE By reanalysing the experiment of Heisenberg Gamma-Ray Microscope and one of ideal experiment from which uncertainty principle is derived , it is found that actually uncertainty principle can not be obtained from these two ideal experiments . And it is found that uncertainty principle is untenable. Key words : uncertainty principle; experiment of Heisenberg Gamma-Ray Microscope; ideal experiment Ideal Experiment 1 Experiment of Heisenberg Gamma-Ray Microscope A free electron sits directly beneath the center of the microscope's lens (see the picture below or AIP page: http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p08b.htm). The circular lens forms a cone of angle 2A from the electron. The electron is then illuminated from the left by gamma rays--high energy light which has the shortest wavelength. These yield the highest resolution, for according to a principle of wave optics, the microscope can resolve (that is, "see" or distinguish) objects to a size of dx, which is related to and to the wavelength L of the gamma ray, by the expression: dx = L/(2sinA) (1) However, in quantum mechanics, where a light wave can act like a particle, a gamma ray striking an electron gives it a kick. At the moment the light is diffracted by the electron into the microscope lens, the electron is thrust to the right. To be observed by the microscope, the gamma ray must be scattered into any angle within the cone of angle 2A. In quantum mechanics, the gamma ray carries momentum, as if it were a particle. The total momentum p is related to the wavelength by the formula p = h / L, where h is Planck's constant. (2) In the extreme case of diffraction of the gamma ray to the right edge of the lens, the total momentum in the x direction would be the sum of the electron's momentum P'x in the x direction and the gamma ray's momentum in the x direction: P'x + (h sinA) / L', where L' is the wavelength of the deflected gamma ray. In the other extreme, the observed gamma ray recoils backward, just hitting the left edge of the lens. In this case, the total momentum in the x direction is: P''x - (h sinA) / L''. The final x momentum in each case must equal the initial x momentum, since momentum is never lost (it is conserved). Therefore, the final x momenta are equal to each other: P'x + (h sinA) / L' = P''x - (h sinA) / L'' (3) If A is small, then the wavelengths are approximately the same, L' ~ L" ~ L. So we have P''x - P'x = dPx ~ 2h sinA / L (4) Since dx = L/(2 sinA), we obtain a reciprocal relationship between the minimum uncertainty in the measured position,dx, of the electron along the x axis and the uncertainty in its momentum, dPx, in the x direction: dPx ~ h / dx or dPx dx ~ h. (5) For more than minimum uncertainty, the "greater than" sign may added. Except for the factor of 4pi and an equal sign, this is Heisenberg's uncertainty relation for the simultaneous measurement of the position and momentum of an object . Reanalysis To be seen by the microscope, the gamma ray must be scattered into any angle within the cone of angle 2A. The microscope can resolve (that is, "see" or distinguish) objects to a size of dx, which is related to and to the wavelength L of the gamma ray, by the expression: dx = L/(2sinA) (1) It is the resolving limit of the microscope, and it is the uncertain quantity of the object's position. Microscope can not see the object which the size is smaller than its resolving limit dx. Therefore, to be seen by the microscope, the size of the electron must be larger than the resolving limit dx or equal to the resolving limit dx. But if the size of the electron is larger than or equal to the resolving limit dx, electron will not be in the range dx. dx can not be deemed to be the uncertain quantity of the electron's position which can be seen by microscope, dx can be deemed to be the uncertain quantity of the electron's position which can not be seen by microscope only. dx is the position's uncertain quantity of the electron which can not be seen by microscope To be seen by the microscope, the gamma ray must be scattered into any angle within the cone of angle 2A, so we can measure the momentum of the electron. dPx is the momentum's uncertain quantity of the electron which can be seen by microscope. What relates to dx is the electron which the size is smaller than the resolving limit .The electron is in the range dx, it can not be seen by the microscope, so its position is uncertain. What relates to dPx is the electron which the size is larger than or equal to the resolving limit .The electron is not in the range dx, it can be seen by the microscope, so its position is certain. Therefore, the electron which relate to dx and dPx respectively is not the same. What we can see is the electron which the size is larger than or equal to the resolving limit dx and has certain position, dx = 0.. Quantum mechanics does not relate to the size of the object. but on the Experiment Of Heisenberg Gamma-Ray Microscope, the using of the microscope must relate to the size of the object, the size of the object which can be seen by the microscope must be larger than or equal to the resolving limit dx of the microscope, thus it does not exist alleged the uncertain quantity of the electron's position dx. To be seen by the microscope, none but the size of the electron is larger than or equal to the resolving limit dx, the gamma ray which diffracted by the electron can be scattered into any angle within the cone of angle 2A, we can measure the momentum of the electron. What we can see is the electron which has certain position, dx = 0, so that none but dx = 0??we can measure the momentum of the electron. In Quantum mechanics, the momentum of the electron can be measured accurately when we measure the momentum of the electron only, therefore, we can gained dPx = 0. Therefore , dPx dx =0. (6) Ideal experiment 2 Experiment of single slit diffraction Supposing a particle moves in Y direction originally and then passes a slit with width dx . So the uncertain quantity of the particle position in X direction is dx (see the picture below) , and interference occurs at the back slit . According to Wave Optics , the angle where No.1 min of interference pattern is , can be calculated by following formula : sinA=L/2dx (1) and L=h/p where h is Planck??s constant. (2) So uncertainty principle can be obtained dPx dx ~ h (5) Reanalysis According to Newton first law , if the external force at the X direction does not affect particle ,the particle will keep the uniform straight line Motion State or Static State , and the motion at the Y direction unchangeable .Therefore , we can lead its position in the slit form its starting point . The particle can have the certain position in the slit, and the uncertain quantity of the position dx =0 . According to Newton first law , if the external force at the X direction does not affect particle,and the original motion at the Y direction is unchangeable , the momentum of the particle at the X direction will be Px=0 , and the uncertain quantity of the momentum will be dPx =0. Get: dPx dx =0. (6) It has not any experiment to negate NEWTON FIRST LAW, in spite of quantum mechanics or classical mechanics, NEWTON FIRST LAW can be the same with the microcosmic world. NEWTON FIRST LAW is one of the form of Energy-Momentum conservation law. If the external force does not affect particle, but the particle will not keep the uniform straight line Motion State or Static State, it has disobeyed the Energy-Momentum conservation law. Under the above ideal experiment , it considered that slit??s width is the uncertain quantity of the particle??s position. But there is no reason for us to consider that the particle in the above experiment have position??s uncertain quantity certainly, and no reason for us to consider that the slit??s width is the uncertain quantity of the particle??s position. Therefore, uncertainty principle dPx dx ~ h (5) which is derived from the above experiment is unreasonable . Concluson >From the above reanalysis , it is realized that the ideal experiment demonstration for uncertainty principle is untenable . uncertainty principle is untenable. . Reference book : 1. Max Jammer. (1974) The philosophy of quantum mechanics (John wiley & sons , Inc New York ) Page 65 2. Max Jammer. (1974) The philosophy of quantum mechanics (John wiley & sons , Inc New York ) Page 67 http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p08b.htm Author : Gong BingXin Address : P.O.Box A111 YongFa XiaoQu XinHua HuaDu GuangZhou 510800 P.R.China E-mail : hdgbyi@public.guangzhou.gd.cn Tel: 86---20---86856616 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From montaigne at att.net Wed Nov 13 11:27:10 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:40:50PM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Living/ap20021113_659.html Shawn, sweetie, it's good to see you're trying to stay current with the news, but ABC? C'mon! They're Canadians, and they're Commies. Here's a piece of news you can MAKE USE of: 'Tom Nagy, associate professor of business at George Washington University, proudly informed his university newspaper about providing aid to the Saddam regime against the United States during a recent (illegal) trip to Iraq. Specifically, he offered "estimates of the number of civilians needed to act as a human shield to protect infrastructure and buildings for Iraqi citizens."' http://www.nypost.com/seven/11122002/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61867.htm Need help with the airfare? -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 12:01:26 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > 'Tom Nagy, associate professor of business at George Washington > University, proudly informed his university newspaper about > providing aid to the Saddam regime against the United States during > a recent (illegal) trip to Iraq. Specifically, he offered > "estimates of the number of civilians needed to act as a human > shield to protect infrastructure and buildings for Iraqi citizens."' Bah. This guy knows NOTHING about war nowadays. Under the Geneva conventions, we can kill as many CIVILLIANS as we like via bombing. It's just SADDAM we can't kill straight off. Something about the right of the nation to be sovereign or something. So we just bomb places that we think he might hang out, and kill a bunch of civillians so that the survivors will say: "Those just freedom-loving Americans killed my brother because of our undemocratic and EvilDoor leader! I'll just head over and bust a cap in his ass, and then we will have Yahoo Shopping once again in these lands! I certainly hope the NEW fascist dictator that the US installs lets me continue to practice my religion!" -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 13 12:17:40 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > "Those just freedom-loving Americans killed my brother because > of our undemocratic and EvilDoor leader! I'll just head over and bust > a cap in his ass, and then we will have Yahoo Shopping once again in > these lands! I certainly hope the NEW fascist dictator that the US > installs lets me continue to practice my religion!" You know, of course, that the UN has found Iraq guilty of violating the Fourth Geneva Convention. They can hardly bitch about us doing it to them. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90rNkEcl9bQ0RMt0RAqgGAKDLL4g7iks66sCLL2HN92lf31SI2QCgj24o jtTzX6pPfrPFnn3zX+gS1lc= =OyEj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 12:36:22 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113203622.GL30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > You know, of course, that the UN has found Iraq guilty of violating > the Fourth Geneva Convention. They can hardly bitch about us doing > it to them. Of course! The more war crimes the better, I say! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 13 12:45:36 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113203622.GL30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113203622.GL30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113204536.GA24374@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > Of course! The more war crimes the better, I say! Liberals are so funny. Some doofus wrote a piece of paper saying you couldn't kill somebody in self defense if he happened to be a head of state, and you people fell for it; even though he got to be head of state by murdering the opposition and putting armed bandits at the polling places to shoot anybody who doesn't vote for him. I'm really looking forward to your girl Pelosi getting more air time; it'll be a hoot. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90rnwEcl9bQ0RMt0RAtkzAJ9wplBAfW7zysUIeLAduS5MmaTaiwCfe6aL CyofMZDBW8Y91h5YfRkhoOU= =7BfB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 12:48:08 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113204536.GA24374@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113203622.GL30021@zork.net> <20021113204536.GA24374@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113204808.GM30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > I'm really looking forward to your girl Pelosi getting more air time; > it'll be a hoot. I don't have any children, Shawn. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From simm at zork.net Wed Nov 13 12:55:46 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > > "Those just freedom-loving Americans killed my brother because > > of our undemocratic and EvilDoor leader! I'll just head over and bust > > a cap in his ass, and then we will have Yahoo Shopping once again in > > these lands! I certainly hope the NEW fascist dictator that the US > > installs lets me continue to practice my religion!" > > You know, of course, that the UN has found Iraq guilty of violating the > Fourth Geneva Convention. They can hardly bitch about us doing it to > them. > > Its about time someone on this list started speaking the truth. That's what Bin Laden and Co have been saying all the freaking day long! He claims the US has committed crimes against his people, foolish americans have no right to be upset when he kills a few thousand americans. Its just reciprocation! P.S.: Shawn, you certainly are a courageous and brave man! Would you like to join a new organization I'm thinking of starting? I'm sure we could make use of your unique brand of common sense! P.P.S: Reciprocation also works well when some fool in a neighboring city kills a couple innocent people from your town. You have no choice but to kill a couple innocent people in his town! And no one has a right to complain! -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 13 12:56:34 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113205634.GH27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > > "Those just freedom-loving Americans killed my brother because > > of our undemocratic and EvilDoor leader! I'll just head over and bust > > a cap in his ass, and then we will have Yahoo Shopping once again in > > these lands! I certainly hope the NEW fascist dictator that the US > > installs lets me continue to practice my religion!" > > You know, of course, that the UN has found Iraq guilty of violating the > Fourth Geneva Convention. They can hardly bitch about us doing it to > them. It's the Iraqis own damn fault if any of them die in an invasion. They had YEARS in which they could've overthrown Saddam on their own and installed their own puppet dictator. It's only because of this gross failure on their part that we have to go and do it for them. Of course, this means that they'll have NO RIGHT whatsoever to complain about the new government, because they had their chance. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90ryBjLHcIq3dHxYRAlFbAJ4l0aiMwb4r1K04PEdRL82lFp/8eACggUAU Y7ilf3+TYZqaiKjY95XCEYI= =DNCQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jv at zork.net Wed Nov 13 13:05:46 2002 From: jv at zork.net (Juggler Vain) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: North Korea: "!Don't shoot" (Was: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: FYI: Dr. Cannabis: "Don't smoke pot") Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <20021113025706.GA6236@gregh.ilan.cogent.net> References: <20021111172048.GA13696@eiv.com> <20021111183033.GE27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021111183616.GA14156@eiv.com> <20021111184055.GO30021@zork.net> <20021112235311.GE15839@zork.net> <20021113025706.GA6236@gregh.ilan.cogent.net> Message-ID: <20021113210546.GA30857@zork.net> begin MC MeatFlaps quotation: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 03:53:11PM -0800, Juggler Vain wrote: > > Don't smoke pot; inhale volatile cannabinoids. [...] > Damn, I was hoping for a suppository form. -Greg "Hey, Joe, we *like* you. All translation lies, ?no... "... when we said that we had The Bomb, we meant our new anticonstipative analgelcap... !with *cannabis*. Really." From montaigne at att.net Wed Nov 13 13:03:38 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:55:46PM -0800, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > He claims the US has committed crimes against his people, foolish > americans have no right to be upset when he kills a few thousand > americans. Its just reciprocation! HEY! Monkey Muppet Master! How come this fucking camel-jockey Islamist ass-hole can get a zork.net account, AND I CAN'T? -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 13:12:08 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021113211207.GN30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > HEY! Monkey Muppet Master! How come this fucking camel-jockey > Islamist ass-hole can get a zork.net account, AND I CAN'T? Your trolls are simple-minded and stupid. Get a fucking wit and maybe I'll consider it. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed Nov 13 13:14:12 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021113211412.GI27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:55:46PM -0800, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > > He claims the US has committed crimes against his people, foolish > > americans have no right to be upset when he kills a few thousand > > americans. Its just reciprocation! > > HEY! Monkey Muppet Master! How come this fucking camel-jockey Islamist > ass-hole can get a zork.net account, AND I CAN'T? I hear that the candle which burns twice as bright burns half as long. How's immortality treating you? - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90sCijLHcIq3dHxYRAmWfAJ9IGSQpiHvH7FrBIvliZTmQd876LACeOv0l fKp3EgovNoivWGDE6EnB9mE= =OuWC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From simm at zork.net Wed Nov 13 13:16:11 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> Message-ID: <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 12:55:46PM -0800, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > > He claims the US has committed crimes against his people, foolish > > americans have no right to be upset when he kills a few thousand > > americans. Its just reciprocation! > > HEY! Monkey Muppet Master! How come this fucking camel-jockey Islamist > ass-hole can get a zork.net account, AND I CAN'T? > WWJLD? What Would Jerry Lewis Do? -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 13:51:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > > HEY! Monkey Muppet Master! How come this fucking camel-jockey > > Islamist ass-hole can get a zork.net account, AND I CAN'T? > > WWJLD? What Would Jerry Lewis Do? He would uncover the Islamist agenda! 1: pray 2: pray 3: pray 4: pray 5: pray QUAKE WITH FEAR! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Nov 13 14:36:12 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> Message-ID: <200211131736.12649.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Shawn McMahon's quote: | You know, of course, that the UN has found Iraq guilty of violating | the Fourth Geneva Convention. They can hardly bitch about us doing | it to them. my big concern just now is that saddam atypically acquiesced to, or said he'd acquiesce to (there being a substantial historical difference), the inspections before the last possible moment. which leads me to think he has something in mind. as in what kids do when they think there's a good chance their parents will find the fireworks they've hoarded: go out and shoot 'em all off forthwith, before they get taken away. i can't help thinking that we'll awaken to some pretty stunning news before long. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Nov 13 14:38:01 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113204808.GM30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113204536.GA24374@eiv.com> <20021113204808.GM30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211131738.01242.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | begin Shawn McMahon quotation: | > I'm really looking forward to your girl Pelosi getting more air | > time; it'll be a hoot. | | I don't have any children, Shawn. which works out pretty well -- pelosi isn't a child. she merely treats everyone else as children. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Nov 13 14:47:10 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211131747.10782.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's quote: | begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: | > WWJLD? What Would Jerry Lewis Do? | | He would uncover the Islamist agenda! | | 1: pray a. as a result thereof, enslave the hearest persons of darker skin. b. execute a woman for sighing audibly. | 2: pray a. have revealed to you that you are free to kill other moslems. b. but no one else is entitled to do so. | 3: pray a. and decide to hide behind women and children. b. then scream with indignation when the ploy is discovered. | 4: pray a. and come away thinking that it's smart to attack the u.s. b. whose president you've already tried to assassinate. | 5: pray a. that no one bigger than you will discover the fruits of your prayer. b. while realizing that everybody is bigger than you and they all know about it already. | QUAKE WITH FEAR! -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Wed Nov 13 14:54:23 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <200211131738.01242.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, dep wrote: > which works out pretty well -- pelosi isn't a child. she merely treats > everyone else as children. Yay! Dep's back! It's been days since you've graced us with one of your vague yet nonsensical posts. I was feeling lonely. Here, let me try one out: "Trent Lott is leading our country down a path of doom and gloom from which it will take generations to recover." From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 13 15:53:18 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021113235318.GA25126@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > 1: pray > 2: pray > 3: pray > 4: pray > 5: pray Which one of those prayer steps is the one praying he'll take a lot of infidels with him when he slams the airplane into the office building? Which one is the one where he prays all the Jews will drown when he drives them into the sea? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90uXuEcl9bQ0RMt0RApGrAJwKWMX/RqpwkRMPaqb0SR2KDyW7IQCgo1xx FmUp/0mwgirvUer12LUaTRo= =Q0zx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 15:58:32 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113235318.GA25126@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> <20021113235318.GA25126@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021113235832.GD30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > 1: pray > > 2: pray > > 3: pray > > 4: pray > > 5: pray > > Which one of those prayer steps is the one praying he'll take a lot > of infidels with him when he slams the airplane into the office > building? None of them. My guess is that this agenda is followed by the very occupants of the office building. > Which one is the one where he prays all the Jews will drown when he > drives them into the sea? That was the Pharaohs, and it didn't work. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Wed Nov 13 16:00:49 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > P.P.S: Reciprocation also works well when some fool in a neighboring > city kills a couple innocent people from your town. You have no choice > but to kill a couple innocent people in his town! And no one has a > right to complain! If you can't tell the difference between a guy from a neighboring town committing a couple of murders over the outrage of his fellow townspeople, and a madman paying somebody 125 million dollars to kill thousands of people, over the deafening roar of millions of supporters, then stay the fuck out of the way while the adults handle the situation. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90uewEcl9bQ0RMt0RAp+VAKD7LIOdWMSkVbc6vtzF7/H4uTMsEgCgvzZP iJvYxBaE1ARL1GacNSqXxPs= =pQmq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jordanb at hafd.org Wed Nov 13 16:10:55 2002 From: jordanb at hafd.org (Jordan Bettis) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:00:49PM -0500, Shawn McMahon : > If you can't tell the difference between a guy from a neighboring town > committing a couple of murders over the outrage of his fellow > townspeople, and a madman paying somebody 125 million dollars to kill > thousands of people, over the deafening roar of millions of supporters, What are you smoking? The War on Terror(tm) is costing a hell of a lot more than $125 million. -- Jordan Bettis Around computers it is difficult to find the correct unit of time to measure progress. Some cathedrals took a century to complete. Can you imagine the grandeur and scope of a program that would take as long? -- Alan J Perlis: Epigrams in Programming, ACM SIGPLAN 1982 From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed Nov 13 16:18:42 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200211131918.42554.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin #2 of Berkeley's quote: | "Trent Lott is leading our country down a path of doom and gloom | from which it will take generations to recover." yes, we're not happy with him, either. we'd far prefer someone a little more committed to freedom, in the p.j. o'rourke sense that the lone human right is to do as you damn well please, and the lone human obligation is to take responsibility for it. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From simm at zork.net Wed Nov 13 19:56:36 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > > > P.P.S: Reciprocation also works well when some fool in a neighboring > > city kills a couple innocent people from your town. You have no choice > > but to kill a couple innocent people in his town! And no one has a > > right to complain! > > If you can't tell the difference between a guy from a neighboring town > committing a couple of murders over the outrage of his fellow > townspeople, and a madman paying somebody 125 million dollars to kill > thousands of people, over the deafening roar of millions of supporters, > then stay the fuck out of the way while the adults handle the situation. > > dict also. pls thx And if you can't tell the difference between a man paying somebody $X dollars to kill thousands of people and a group of people that share the same faith or skin color as him, then I suggest you discuss this with your local KKK chapter, the only group that truly practices Christianity nowadays. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From montaigne at att.net Wed Nov 13 22:18:00 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:56:36PM -0800, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > ...your local KKK chapter, the only group that truly practices > Christianity nowadays. Ah...this must be an example of the sort of "wit" that earns one a zork.net account, yes? Fucking California psychos. -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed Nov 13 22:23:07 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:29 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114062307.GY30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:56:36PM -0800, Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > ...your local KKK chapter, the only group that truly practices > > Christianity nowadays. > > Ah...this must be an example of the sort of "wit" that earns one a > zork.net account, yes? > > Fucking California psychos. Actually, he's Louisiana chapter. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dave at mikamyla.com Wed Nov 13 22:33:15 2002 From: dave at mikamyla.com (The True Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114063315.GA10936@mikamyla.com> Quothe Michel de Montaigne , on Thu, Nov 14, 2002: > Ah...this must be an example of the sort of "wit" that earns one a zork.net > account, yes? > > Fucking California psychos. haha zork envy. -- =================-------------------------------========================= | Dave Barry | All the freaky people make | dave@mikamyla.com | | ... | the beauty of the world. | http://psax.org/~dave | | | --Michael Franti | | =================-------------------------------========================= From montaigne at att.net Wed Nov 13 22:33:20 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114062307.GY30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> <20021114062307.GY30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114063320.GB6367@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 10:23:07PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Actually, he's Louisiana chapter. And, I am to be completely confident that he has passed the zork-wit litmus test? Christ, where's Mencken when we need him! -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Wed Nov 13 22:33:20 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114062307.GY30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114061800.GA6367@localhost> <20021114062307.GY30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114063320.GB6367@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 10:23:07PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Actually, he's Louisiana chapter. And, I am to be completely confident that he has passed the zork-wit litmus test? Christ, where's Mencken when we need him! -- montaigne From nick at zork.net Wed Nov 13 23:14:08 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> Envy not, fair dave! ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- dave@zork.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From Radix42 at Cox.Net Wed Nov 13 23:25:46 2002 From: Radix42 at Cox.Net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> Message-ID: >On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 07:00:49PM -0500, Shawn McMahon : >> If you can't tell the difference between a guy from a neighboring town >> committing a couple of murders over the outrage of his fellow >> townspeople, and a madman paying somebody 125 million dollars to kill >> thousands of people, over the deafening roar of millions of supporters, > >What are you smoking? The War on Terror(tm) is costing a hell of a lot >more than $125 million. Methinks he means the oil money the Saudis and Iraq have paid Palestinians to Blow Up Weddings TM....or maybe the combined multi-year budget of You-Can-Call-Me-Al-Queda...or maybe the madman he means is Chirac and all the money the French have paid Iraq for oil contracts, which is partially used for killing off his own 'undesirables'...oh wait, the French money is orders of magnitude too big to be the $125 million....as is the Unocal expected profit from the pipeline that's coming through Afghanistan, in which case the madman would be Bush, and the dollar amounts are too big again... sssoooo >many madmen to choose from!! -- David Mercer Tucson, AZ Radix42@Cox.Net From dave at zork.net Thu Nov 14 00:20:43 2002 From: dave at zork.net (The One True Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114082043.GA23472@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > Envy not, fair dave! > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > dave@zork.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. Also, haha Montaigne. -- =================-------------------------------========================= | Dave Barry | All the freaky people make | dave@zork.net | | ... | the beauty of the world. | ... | | | --Michael Franti | | =================-------------------------------========================= From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 01:23:30 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114082043.GA23472@zork.net> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114082043.GA23472@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114092330.GE30021@zork.net> begin The One True Dave Barry quotation: > Also, haha Montaigne. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ emad -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 06:13:15 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021113235832.GD30021@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> <20021113235318.GA25126@eiv.com> <20021113235832.GD30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114141315.GA28266@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > Which one is the one where he prays all the Jews will drown when he > > drives them into the sea? > > That was the Pharaohs, and it didn't work. It was the Pharaohs; now it's Yassir, That's My Baby Arafathead. With support from Usama bin Ladin and 99% of the Muslims in the world, including Farrakhan's goons. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90696Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAsK1AKDEvdBwd3Uf3/l1wAZ9ifhLYcHB8QCePE9/ j79QWBkKCN6/tATJ3lhtwfs= =7RSG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 06:16:38 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> Message-ID: <20021114141638.GB28266@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Jordan Bettis quotation: > > What are you smoking? The War on Terror(tm) is costing a hell of a lot > more than $125 million. So? What, do you feel that protecting the American people is too expensive? Or is it just unfair because we're spending more money than the bad guys? Maybe we should scale back to their spending level in the name of Equality? How much value do you place on the lives of the 3,000+ who died September 11th? How much on the lives of those Usama and Saddam are trying to kill in the future? (Hint; Usama's stated goal is "every single American, and several other countries".) Exactly how much is too much to spend? At what point do we say "screw it, it's too expensive, it'd be cheaper just to let them kill a bunch of us." - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE907BFEcl9bQ0RMt0RAtFFAJ9MY5f6Fmx5DqNA4ffKIb6qfpXZhACffNlO lBgLSDZq/+kVauJmZqXy5rA= =Y7hd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 06:18:22 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114001055.GA14798@hafd.org> Message-ID: <20021114141822.GC28266@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin David Mercer quotation: > > Methinks he means the oil money the Saudis and Iraq have paid Palestinians > to > Blow Up Weddings TM....or maybe the combined multi-year budget of Actually, the $125 million refers only to the suitcase of cash Saddam's mistress says he gave to Usama bin Ladin in exchange for the promise to kill Americans with it. The total amount they've gotten from evil regimes is far greater. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE907CtEcl9bQ0RMt0RApJ1AJ0ZZjMbQrPFxDSSV8v8mTGKqMohswCfb3gk PKAT3kqCRlprzd6NFrfGpk8= =Mwv4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 06:24:53 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > And if you can't tell the difference between a man paying somebody $X > dollars to kill thousands of people and a group of people that share > the same faith or skin color as him, then I suggest you discuss this > with your local KKK chapter, the only group that truly practices > Christianity nowadays. Nice try, but I'm an atheist. I don't like Christians either, but at least they aren't trying to kill me on religious grounds. IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper. IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them. VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's. Saying the majority of Muslims believe in the Koran isn't racism. Saying the majority of Muslims believe in the Koran in countries where saying you don't is punishable by death isn't racism. The handful of Muslims who don't want to kill me are either my friends, or potential friends; but trying to make me believe I'm safe when I'm not isn't helpful. Go convince them to get over the Crusades, that'll be helpful. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE907I1Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAk63AJ9x8tAhv+jtO4L/7KdSK69l7lzKMgCgvmcB gcxco5781dm4tX+q/lmIW9s= =hDb/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 14 09:35:00 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114173500.GA9524@laviola.org> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 09:24:53AM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > > > And if you can't tell the difference between a man paying somebody $X > > dollars to kill thousands of people and a group of people that share > > the same faith or skin color as him, then I suggest you discuss this > > with your local KKK chapter, the only group that truly practices > > Christianity nowadays. > > Nice try, but I'm an atheist. I don't like Christians either, but at > least they aren't trying to kill me on religious grounds. Yes, they aren't. Not this century. -- Carlos Laviola From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 14 10:13:07 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: [koran quotes] "If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless." - James 1:26 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 10:37:43 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114141315.GA28266@eiv.com> References: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021113210338.GI1996@localhost> <20021113211611.GD9090@zork.net> <20021113215135.GP30021@zork.net> <20021113235318.GA25126@eiv.com> <20021113235832.GD30021@zork.net> <20021114141315.GA28266@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114183743.GI30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > It was the Pharaohs; now it's Yassir, That's My Baby Arafathead. > With support from Usama bin Ladin and 99% of the Muslims in the > world, including Farrakhan's goons. Ha ha Nation of Islam. Don't forget the 5% Nation! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 10:40:41 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114184041.GJ30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Nice try, but I'm an atheist. I don't like Christians either, but > at least they aren't trying to kill me on religious grounds. No, they're trying to kill you to earn their campaign contributions from military contractors. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From simm at zork.net Thu Nov 14 10:56:15 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have > disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from > among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if > they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, > and take not from among them a friend or a helper. > ha ha haa! Beautiful! Ok first of all, let me introduce you to the concept of a book. When reading a book, each sentence is generally followed by another sentence. You seem to be unclear on that. So lets look at the next sentence that you seem to have completely missed where it clearly says "if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them." In case you may be tempted to seriously misunderstand this, it says if these guys you are fighting with (at the point in time the verses were revealed) offer you peace, then accept it. > IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may > find them. whoo wee doggie. More of the same, except this time you failed to read the previous sentence! I love this game!! "(But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom you have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for Allah loveth the righteous. " If you read verses 1-6, it is clear that this is talking about the dissolving of a treaty with some pagans and that the breaking of the treaty DOES NOT apply to those who have honored the peace treaty. It applies to the ones who did not honor them. And you also rather strangely claimed to be quoting verse 6 which says "And if anyone of the idolaters seek your protection , then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not. " Rather disingenious of you. > > VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, > what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have > already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them > till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's. > Yep. Fight them until there is no more "fitnah" which translates into a weird mix of mischief and oppression. What a horrible concept, fighting until the enemy stops harassing you! By the way, you may be too much a fool to realize this but "unbelievers" are not the same thing as "infidels." I love seeing you jr. Islamic scholars who know nothign about the arabic language try to equate the two. > > Saying the majority of Muslims believe in the Koran isn't racism. Ascribing HORRIBLY WRONG interpretations to the Koran and then summarily claiming that you have the TRUE interpretation just so you can legitamize killing people who's race you don't like is a form of racism. > > Saying the majority of Muslims believe in the Koran in countries where > saying you don't is punishable by death isn't racism. Please see above. > > The handful of Muslims who don't want to kill me are either my friends, > or potential friends; but trying to make me believe I'm safe when I'm > not isn't helpful. Go convince them to get over the Crusades, that'll > be helpful. > Oh yes i get it. All of the muslims you've met don't want to kill you, but all the ones you haven't met do. That is perfectly logical! -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 14 10:58:48 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114183743.GI30021@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Don't forget the 5% Nation! of nipple-clamps! From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 11:33:19 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > Ascribing HORRIBLY WRONG interpretations to the Koran and then > summarily claiming that you have the TRUE interpretation just so you > can legitamize killing people who's race you don't like is a form of > racism. There is only one race; human. If you can't see that, I'm not the racist. > Oh yes i get it. All of the muslims you've met don't want to kill you, > but all the ones you haven't met do. That is perfectly logical! Show me where I've advocated killing all Muslims. Show me where I've advocated doing ANYTHING to all Muslims. What I have advocated, and stand firmly by, is checking the ID of anyone entering this country who looks like they might be of Arab or related descent, wears Muslim garb, or is coming from an Arab country. This is not unreasonable, nor racist; it's practical, and necessary. It is not sufficient, but it is necessary. Everybody else should be subject to the random checks and "observer's experience opinion" checks. As far as Islam in general, I hold it in no more contempt than I do any other religion. No less, either. Well, maybe a little less than Scientology. As for killing Iraqi civilians, this is bad, but no more bad than killing German and Japanese civilians in World War II. Iraq has never rescinded their declaration of war against us, and an eyewitness says their leader gave Usama $125 million to attack us. Address those two things in your response or fuck off. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90/p/Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAopnAJoDO9ZPTViQEqg2iIvrpyMFtiu89ACgzi36 F1xET5xuu5lMzinL30I3o7k= =wILh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 11:42:53 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114194253.GS30021@zork.net> Okay McMan, you can go back to adequacy.org now. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 11:50:01 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114173500.GA9524@laviola.org> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114173500.GA9524@laviola.org> Message-ID: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Carlos Laviola quotation: > > > > Nice try, but I'm an atheist. I don't like Christians either, but at > > least they aren't trying to kill me on religious grounds. > > Yes, they aren't. Not this century. There really isn't any more rational standard you can hold people to. Should we go bomb England because they used to be mean to us? Actually, I'm of Irish descent, and they're still oppressing my people, so that's not an entirely bad idea; but even at that, their stated goal isn't to kill all Irish folks. And they aren't stoning people to death for adultery, or forcing young girls back into a burning building because they aren't dressed properly. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90/5oEcl9bQ0RMt0RAmTqAJ90yTF8TNWfYBY+ZufVMoIsPtdXRQCguYAr OkuskXLgQv6uFKMgYVXII5c= =ATi+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 11:52:21 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114194253.GS30021@zork.net> References: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114194253.GS30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114195221.GB29897@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > Okay McMan, you can go back to adequacy.org now. A blank page with a grey background? How exciting. Is that what you granola-eating tree-huggers do for fun? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90/71Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAjBzAKCSWFHAQ9W52+vtNpcKZjhSeWm6JACfRMnk ntZKshGZzckL2H9keu+YIf0= =3W1m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 14 11:52:47 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> References: <20021113174050.GA23269@eiv.com> <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > Show me where I've advocated killing all Muslims. Show me where I've > advocated doing ANYTHING to all Muslims. See following paragraph. > What I have advocated, and stand firmly by, is checking the ID of anyone > entering this country who looks like they might be of Arab or related > descent, wears Muslim garb, or is coming from an Arab country. This is > not unreasonable, nor racist; it's practical, and necessary. It is not > sufficient, but it is necessary. Don't search me please, I'm white! Thanks! > As for killing Iraqi civilians, this is bad, but no more bad than > killing German and Japanese civilians in World War II. Iraq has never > rescinded their declaration of war against us, and an eyewitness says > their leader gave Usama $125 million to attack us. Address those two > things in your response or fuck off. Yay! One eyewitness of questionable motivation! Was she even under an oath not to lie at the time? Let's invade now! - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE90/8OjLHcIq3dHxYRAqKBAJ4261Tcv/zw3nQ3dBYuWiVLrsMk2gCg6Vxd 2ZTgWzuj2xDyHXsT9EQVHGc= =N6DH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 12:02:40 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> References: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Citizen Hicks quotation: > > > What I have advocated, and stand firmly by, is checking the ID of anyone > > entering this country who looks like they might be of Arab or related > > descent, wears Muslim garb, or is coming from an Arab country. This is > > not unreasonable, nor racist; it's practical, and necessary. It is not > > sufficient, but it is necessary. > > Don't search me please, I'm white! Thanks! You conveniently left out the next paragraph, where I stated that the rest of the world should remain subject to random checks and ad-hoc checks. Of course, you couldn't argue against my real position, so you had to make one up for me. Typical liberal tactic. > Yay! One eyewitness of questionable motivation! Was she even under an > oath not to lie at the time? Let's invade now! And, of course, you consider every single piece of intelligence data seperately, because of your desperate need for the US to be wrong. You liberals were saying it was racist of us to pursue Usama between 1993 and 2001. Then what we said would happen happened; but that's not enough for you to realize you're wrong. How many people have to die for that to happen? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91AFgEcl9bQ0RMt0RAq9LAKDcBk8xgzVwPp+0w3jRpAJA735trQCgvpJP NaYODssZsOqUaeNAfFmJ62g= =H/Me -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 12:05:23 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> References: <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > Don't search me please, I'm white! Thanks! > > You conveniently left out the next paragraph, where I stated that > the rest of the world should remain subject to random checks and > ad-hoc checks. Of course, you couldn't argue against my real > position, so you had to make one up for me. Typical liberal tactic. Papers! Papers please! You can't walk the streets without your papers! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From simm at zork.net Thu Nov 14 12:07:31 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> References: <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > You conveniently left out the next paragraph, where I stated that the > rest of the world should remain subject to random checks and ad-hoc > checks. Of course, you couldn't argue against my real position, so you > had to make one up for me. Typical liberal tactic. > Its a tactic you like to keep in your arsenal too. How many day will you wait before producing your badly interpreted quran quotes in another argument? -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From rick at linuxmafia.com Thu Nov 14 12:30:45 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114194253.GS30021@zork.net> References: <20021113192710.GH1996@localhost> <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114194253.GS30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114203045.GR30355@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > Okay McMan, you can go back to adequacy.org now. Or, if he's _not_ from there, then there's still surely a bridge pier there with his name on it. From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 12:38:16 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> References: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > Papers! Papers please! You can't walk the streets without > your papers! That's right, everybody should be allowed to run in and out of the borders freely, because nobody is going to do anything nasty if they're here illegally. You liberals can't have it both ways; you can't claim everybody hates us, then claim nobody wants to harm us. Especially after they killed 3,000 people. Hell, we just had the same thing with Malvo; here illegally, liberal bullshit policies got him walking the streets instead of being ejected for not having his papers, and boom, a bunch of people died for it. The Nazis held elections too; does that mean elections are bad? - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91Am3Ecl9bQ0RMt0RAk1RAJ9sqyMzWxbjZtr+prH7KSKs+QflhwCfRaaF 6ey7znXfpiVsH9fpzldvNRw= =RJ+2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 12:39:04 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> References: <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > How many day will you wait before producing your badly interpreted > quran quotes in another argument? Forever. I found out they were bad examples, I'll not use them again. Truth is important to conservatives, not an impediment. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91AnnEcl9bQ0RMt0RAvEcAJ9TLOSyjtJCXf+N499PHAsM04Tg7QCgszBZ fs1vpyGR73CK/lz3OwnaMJE= =rZ+x -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 12:42:01 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> References: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > The Nazis held elections too; does that mean elections are bad? Duh! Of course it does! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 12:46:59 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> References: <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114204659.GA30462@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > The Nazis held elections too; does that mean elections are bad? > > Duh! Of course it does! Oh. Well, never mind then; I withdraw the entire argument. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91AvCEcl9bQ0RMt0RAvP0AKCRh6XVvGae39VV/2cN9A6v9/1u0gCgv6GM aKPds0uErKqIoeAFvkchMWA= =A4RB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 12:51:57 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114204659.GA30462@eiv.com> References: <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> <20021114204659.GA30462@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114205157.GE30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Oh. Well, never mind then; I withdraw the entire argument. See how easy it is folks? WHy couldn't you pricks have put an end to this inanity sooner? Now if mcman keeps quiet long enough, he'll worm his way out of sneakums' auto-killfile. That's the trick, Shawn! STAY QUIET! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu Nov 14 12:55:15 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> References: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114205515.GJ31331@tastytronic.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon: > Truth is important to conservatives, not an impediment. Haha. 1. Truth is important to conservatives. Truth is obviously not important to McMahon. Therefore, McMahaon is not a conservative. 2. People come in two types, liberal or conservative. Since McMahon is not a conservative, it follows that he MUST be a liberal. Shawn McMahon is a liberal. Neener neener. -- lukas eklund leklund@tastytronic.net From montaigne at att.net Thu Nov 14 13:05:29 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> On Wed, Nov 13, 2002 at 11:14:08PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > dave@zork.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. Just as I suspected; the zork-wit index continues to plummet! Soon I will be able merely to step over it. -- montaigne From montaigne at att.net Thu Nov 14 13:06:38 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114205157.GE30021@zork.net> References: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> <20021114204659.GA30462@eiv.com> <20021114205157.GE30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114210638.GD6367@localhost> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 12:51:57PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > That's the trick, Shawn! STAY QUIET! Ha ha Shawn! Down boy. Stay! There's a good lad. -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 13:11:27 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114211127.GF30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Just as I suspected; the zork-wit index continues to plummet! Soon I > will be able merely to step over it. I can smell your envy from here. 8==============================================D <-- with zork account 8=============================D <-- without zork account -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 13:17:21 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114210638.GD6367@localhost> References: <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200523.GT30021@zork.net> <20021114203815.GB30134@eiv.com> <20021114204200.GA30021@zork.net> <20021114204659.GA30462@eiv.com> <20021114205157.GE30021@zork.net> <20021114210638.GD6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114211721.GG30021@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > Ha ha Shawn! Down boy. Stay! There's a good lad. You did pretty well yourself. YOu managed to stay low long enough to expire out of his plonkfile, and you got a few good messages in before he added you again! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From simm at zork.net Thu Nov 14 13:18:53 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> References: <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > > > How many day will you wait before producing your badly interpreted > > quran quotes in another argument? > > Forever. I found out they were bad examples, I'll not use them again. > > Truth is important to conservatives, not an impediment. > Wough, hold on there. You produced a set of obviously wrongly interpreted quranic quotes. Either you a) Selectively read the Quran yourself and knowning misrepresented it by taking quotes woefully out of context or b) you got the out of context quotes from some other conservative. But that would mean the truth was not important to that conservative. Now expand it out to the many of other dittoheads who just keep pasting these same out of context verses. So are you just another dittohead who believe whatever crap some conservative liar dishes out or are you the big liar? Which is it? -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu Nov 14 13:27:48 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> References: <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > b) you got the out of context quotes from some other conservative. Who could have made an honest mistake. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91BVTEcl9bQ0RMt0RAtp+AKDA25Dc/wIIDQefXLkLctqVNI50iwCdEOhz J2wBiJGNDqQein97hcMa6/Y= =Baq3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 13:34:54 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> References: <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > b) you got the out of context quotes from some other conservative. > > Who could have made an honest mistake. Ah yes. All conservative errors are "honest". I see now. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu Nov 14 13:45:41 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:30 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114214540.GC24323@dasbistro.com> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:05:29PM -0500, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > Just as I suspected; the zork-wit index continues to plummet! Soon I will be > able merely to step over it. I'm picturing Montaigne waiting, giggling and rubbing his hands in anticipation of every shred of wit to disappear from the list so that he can finally be the most clever guy here. -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Thu Nov 14 13:49:30 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114211127.GF30021@zork.net> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> <20021114211127.GF30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114214930.GD12960@localhost.localdomain> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: msg.pgp Type: application/pgp Size: 584 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://frotz.zork.net/pipermail/crackmonkey/attachments/20021114/bd622596/msg.bin From dave at zork.net Thu Nov 14 14:05:22 2002 From: dave at zork.net (The One True Dave Barry) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021114220522.GA19209@zork.net> Quothe Michel de Montaigne , on Thu, Nov 14, 2002: > Just as I suspected; the zork-wit index continues to plummet! Soon I will be > able merely to step over it. ROCKO! montaigne's rapier strikes again! PLONK! -- =================-------------------------------========================= | Dave Barry | All the freaky people make | dave@zork.net | | ... | the beauty of the world. | http://psax.org/~dave | | | --Michael Franti | | =================-------------------------------========================= From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu Nov 14 14:26:51 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Actually, I'm of Irish descent, and they're still oppressing my people, "your people" would spell your name properly. Last I checked the Republic of Ireland is free from British rule. From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 14 15:00:16 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20021114230016.GK30021@zork.net> KTHXBI ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- leek@leek.za.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From carton at Ivy.NET Thu Nov 14 10:19:17 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Passports for visiting Canadia In-Reply-To: <20021111183324.GF27924@8ball.wox.org> (Citizen Hicks's message of "Mon, 11 Nov 2002 12:33:24 -0600") References: <20021111173800.GA13799@eiv.com> <20021111183324.GF27924@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "ch" == Citizen Hicks writes: ch> Please don't search me, I'm white. ``And I have this magnetic SS Express Pass, signed by Der F?hrer himself.'' -- One researcher said that by eliminating the OTA, Congress had ``decided to lose weight by cutting off its brain.'' -- Dan Mitchell From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 14 15:44:45 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] CANADA Message-ID: <20021114234445.GO30021@zork.net> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/081202sept11&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=0&l=1&e=43&a=0&t= Yes, Canada. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu Nov 14 15:48:36 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> References: <20021113200126.GI30021@zork.net> <20021113201740.GA24111@eiv.com> <20021113205546.GC9090@zork.net> <20021114000048.GC25126@eiv.com> <20021114035636.GA17708@zork.net> <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021114234836.GK27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > You conveniently left out the next paragraph, where I stated that the > rest of the world should remain subject to random checks and ad-hoc > checks. Of course, you couldn't argue against my real position, so you > had to make one up for me. Typical liberal tactic. I don't see your point. > intelligence data > for > Usama > not enough > people have to die AHA! I have deciphered your skip-sequence steganographic code! You've been using the CrackMonkey list and it's archives as a method of contacting your terrorist agents! This explains why you seem to post and post to this list even though nobody wants to hear what you have to say! To the list admin: I hereby request that Shawn McMahon be removed from this mailing list for reasons of national security. - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91DZJjLHcIq3dHxYRAhnzAKDvCLcV6Uddjbhg1YjtND5/+//Q7wCeMYZF zAeSoQQ1ep1n0gDeWnbAG/E= =qyzf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From scotta at iemedia.ca Thu Nov 14 16:02:08 2002 From: scotta at iemedia.ca (Scott Allan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] CANADA In-Reply-To: <20021114234445.GO30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021114185822.T92083-100000@home.samurai.com> On Thu, 14 Nov 2002, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?g=events/ts/081202sept11&a=&tmpl=sl&ns=0&l=1&e=43&a=0&t= > > Yes, Canada. Oh, *much better*: http://www.news.harvard.edu/guide/students/images/yrbook/gw_bush.jpg or: http://crummy.com/devel/if/degeneracy/nick.jpg We have an excuse, Jean is French. sA From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 14 17:38:19 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Art in Paris Message-ID: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> Plague of plaques bemuses Parisians Jon Henley in Paris Thursday November 14, 2002 The Guardian They are what the French call ludique, which is to say playful, amusing and, by extension, really rather puzzling: nobody knows why they are there, who put them up, or even when they first appeared. But the rash of bizarre, fake commemorative plaques that has suddenly begun gracing the streets of Paris has got the city council worried. There is, after all, a proper procedure to be followed in such matters, and whoever is responsible is manifestly not following it. Perfect copies of the marble slabs that usually indicate the spot where a young resistance fighter died, or the past residence of a celebrated writer or composer, the plaques commemorate either nothing at all, or someone who appears never to have existed. "On April 17 1967," reads one, "nothing happened here." Another, on the rue Saint-Sauveur in the second arrondissement, declares: "Karima Bentiffa, civil servant, lived in this building from 1984 to 1989." The public records office contains no evidence that a Karima Bentiffa has ever lived anywhere in the Ile-de-France region, nor indeed a certain Pierre Salatier, who according to a third plaque is a computer programmer and was born at no.17, rue du Jour on November 12 1976. Yet another takes the game into new realms of the absurd. "This plaque," it proudly announces, "was affixed on December 19 1953." In fact, bemused local residents say, it has probably been there since sometime last week. Or maybe it was last month. Nobody really knows. "I thought they were quite funny at first," said Claire de Clermont-Tonnerre, a conservative city councillor. "But on reflection, they detract from the real ones. Their unregulated proliferation is not very respectful of those people who really marked history." At Ms Clermont-Tonnerre's urgent request, the council this week debated the issue and decided it was up to the buildings' owners to decide whether they wanted to remove them. The city's responsibility was confined to supervising the often interminable procedure governing who deserved a genuine plaque, it ruled. So, for the time being, the phantom plaque-placer is likely to continue his mission undisturbed. It is at least more more tasteful than the unknown artist who for several months two years ago mystified many Parisians by planting small tricolour flags in a selection of dog turds. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From nick at zork.net Thu Nov 14 17:40:28 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [laszlo@monkeydyne.com: Re: [sf-caco] MENSA Conference] Message-ID: <20021115014028.GX30021@zork.net> GENIUS! ----- Forwarded message from Laszlo Toth ----- Gary Singh wrote: > There was talk a while back - i forget - about something to do with a > MENSA prank. They're having a conference at the Hyatt Hotel at > Fisherman's Wharf, Nov. 29-Dec. 1st. If you can convince them you're a > member of the press, you can take the test for free. > > http://www.sfmensa.org/sfrg.html I'd like to get a bunch of people into MENSA. Then I'd like to dress everyone who passed the entry exam in giant exposed bulging brain skullcaps and scary black capes with high collars and participate in all their meetings as Mentallos of Brainotron, straight out of 1950s science fiction films and Outer Limits episodes. Mentallos: "First order of business: enslavement of the pinheads. Could I have this motion seconded, please." Cerebro: "I second your ingenious plan, Esteemed Master. The earthmen shall tremble in the shadow of our enormous brains." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 14 19:05:11 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Art in Paris In-Reply-To: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> References: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <200211142201.52642.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | Plague of plaques bemuses Parisians | | Jon Henley in Paris | Thursday November 14, 2002 | The Guardian okay. there just *has* to be arrangement made for a "monkey knife fight" plaque. perhaps with a smaller plaque noting that it was on this spot that france surrendered to monkeys who were wielding knives. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu Nov 14 19:22:48 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] um, don't look now, but . . . Message-ID: <200211142222.04673.dep@linuxandmain.com> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29670 HOMELAND INSECURITY 7 nukes in U.S., warns al-Qaida Man claiming to be top bin Laden operative threatens to kill millions, destroy economy Posted: November 14, 2002 9:20 p.m. Eastern ? 2002 WorldNetDaily.com Terrorists have placed seven nuclear bombs in as many U.S. cities and will soon detonate them, causing millions of casualties, massive panic and destroying the world's biggest economy, warns a top al-Qaida operative in an interview with Al-Jazeera television in Qatar. While much of the world's attention has been riveted on Al-Jazeera's broadcast of an audiotape apparently made by Osama bin Laden, this more specific threat aired on the station has received scant media coverage. The spectacular threats were made by a man claiming to be Mohammed al-Usuquf, reputedly al-Qaida's No. 3 operative. Al-Usuquf is said to be a doctor in physics who holds a master's degree in international economics. A copy of the interview was sent to the prestigious Arab-language daily Al Quds Al Arabi, edited in London, but it was not printed. . . . -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From carlos at laviola.org Thu Nov 14 20:31:03 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] um, don't look now, but . . . In-Reply-To: <200211142222.04673.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200211142222.04673.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021115043103.GA593@laviola.org> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 10:22:48PM -0500, dep wrote: > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29670 No. -- Carlos Laviola From jesux at unix.tm Thu Nov 14 20:32:29 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 700 year old Australian Mickey Mouse Message-ID: <20021115153229.A4980@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Freaky. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/15/1037080899329.html -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From jdub at perkypants.org Thu Nov 14 20:40:43 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 700 year old Australian Mickey Mouse In-Reply-To: <20021115153229.A4980@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20021115153229.A4980@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: <47616.203.206.207.14.1037335243.squirrel@mail.solutionsfirst.com.au> > Freaky. > > http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/15/1037080899329.html Australian Mickey Mouse? Freakier. http://johnhoward.blogspot.com/ - Jeff -- So, "Jeffrey" seems to mean "the ineffectual, victimised guy in American movies" in four different languages. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 20:48:38 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Art in Paris In-Reply-To: <200211142201.52642.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> <200211142201.52642.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20021115044838.GF30021@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > begin Nick Moffitt's quote: > | Plague of plaques bemuses Parisians > | > | Jon Henley in Paris > | Thursday November 14, 2002 > | The Guardian > > okay. there just *has* to be arrangement made for a "monkey knife > fight" plaque. perhaps with a smaller plaque noting that it was on > this spot that france surrendered to monkeys who were wielding > knives. I knew this list could survive anything! -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 14 21:37:56 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> References: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115053756.GA32657@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:34:54PM -0800: > Ah yes. All conservative errors are "honest". I see now. Our Bible text for today is Numbers 31:17-18. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From dmarti at zgp.org Thu Nov 14 21:40:04 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [laszlo@monkeydyne.com: Re: [sf-caco] MENSA Conference] In-Reply-To: <20021115014028.GX30021@zork.net> References: <20021115014028.GX30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115054004.GB32657@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 05:40:28PM -0800: > ----- Forwarded message from Laszlo Toth ----- > > Gary Singh wrote: > > > There was talk a while back - i forget - about something to do with a > > MENSA prank. They're having a conference at the Hyatt Hotel at > > Fisherman's Wharf, Nov. 29-Dec. 1st. If you can convince them you're a > > member of the press, you can take the test for free. > > > > http://www.sfmensa.org/sfrg.html Assignment letters for all! -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti dmarti@zgp.org KG6INA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu Nov 14 21:46:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115053756.GA32657@zgp.org> References: <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> <20021115053756.GA32657@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20021115054637.GJ30021@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of > Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 01:34:54PM -0800: > > > Ah yes. All conservative errors are "honest". I see now. > > Our Bible text for today is Numbers 31:17-18. Actually, I'm more interested in Numbers 31:26. Where can I find this Eleazer guy? The LORD says I need to do some math with livestock and this Eleazer dude. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 05:09:51 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> References: <20021114142453.GD28266@eiv.com> <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115130951.GD1644@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > > Who could have made an honest mistake. > > Ah yes. All conservative errors are "honest". I see now. One person "could have" translates to "all, always"? Forget Esperanto; I need to learn Liberal. It's just enough different from English to trip one up. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91PIfEcl9bQ0RMt0RAhvgAJwJsChhAvZCMALPx1+xQNWmzpewKwCg6v72 9O4X9zSBsZkXKfDJb/E1YQ8= =PXWX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 05:27:46 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: References: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > Last I checked the Republic of Ireland is free from British rule. Yes, the 26 counties that managed to break free of British rule in a bloody rebellion 81 years ago remain free of that rule today. The 6 counties that weren't so lucky continue to be oppressed. Britain's most recent action was suspension of the Assembly based on the allegation (probably true) that it contained IRA spies. This would be approximately equivalent to suspending the House and Senate of the US because John Conyers had a friend in the Michigan Militia. No right-thinking American should stand for this, and indeed, the US government is opposed to the action that was taken. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91PZSEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkHFAJ9iCugCeB5QCLOd2ue5d8sLX9x/aQCg4dUL J3fXJsAoCeER9x/F7rJ+Sbc= =ApbO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 05:29:11 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115054637.GJ30021@zork.net> References: <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> <20021115053756.GA32657@zgp.org> <20021115054637.GJ30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115132910.GF1644@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > Actually, I'm more interested in Numbers 31:26. Where can I > find this Eleazer guy? The LORD says I need to do some math with > livestock and this Eleazer dude. My fave is John 10:34. You can get some serious backpedalling with that one. When they call it a "metaphor", you get to trot out their previous quotes from Leviticus for review. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91PamEcl9bQ0RMt0RAt9DAJ4mJwC5M9AK0S7aE69LXR+0jX0VOQCdF/BI Qb1rMUl6xfX7DFD0NoH7JQU= =a1/N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Nov 7 18:39:12 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021108021737.GF29493@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:17:38 -0800") References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108021515.GI2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108021737.GF29493@zork.net> Message-ID: <87znsku6nj.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> This is like watching epileptic children finger-paint. How so? In that you tend to get goopy stuff in your eye? ~Mr. Bad P.S. Your handle is too damn long. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Nov 7 13:47:51 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:16:20 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <874ratm4qg.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> The bad guys have figured out that if they deliberately avoid SM> the 19th-century concepts of war, the American Left will SM> oppose doing anything about them. SM> Thus, they deliberately don't take official government SM> positions; [...] What a crock of shit. You really think that none of the bad guys are in official government, or that none of those in official government are bad guys? Or that anyone does anything to avoid hassles from the American left? You are a strange, deluded man, Shawn McMahon. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Nov 8 14:48:38 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 16:38:41 -0500") References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> Message-ID: <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> We consider "report weird system shit to your administrator" SM> to be common-sense computer security advice. Why is it any SM> different to say "report weird shit to the police?" Doesn't SM> that beat spending billions on more police who will have to SM> find something to do? That something is likely to be beating SM> up on dopers. I'd rather have fewer cops and more SM> tattletales. You know, you've got a good point. When it comes down to it, it's better to be a rat than a dead man. It's entirely reasonable for people to report weird activity, even if that weird activity is wearing a turban or having dark skin. But there is some responsibility on the part of law enforcement to deal with this kind of report with level heads. What's not reasonable is for the cops to respond to those reports with guns blazing, or with improper force. If the cops get called in, and the taco truck is actually a taco truck, they should shake the guy's hand, shake the reporter's hand, and head on back to the station for a couple of crullers. But CM has a good point, too. It's not like these security measures would keep out even the mildly-determined hostile element. It kind of brings up a weird point: considering how ridiculously easy it is to move around in this country without notice, to avoid being hassled, etc. (God Bless America -- that's the way I like it), why aren't there _more_ terrorist attacks? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Nov 8 12:23:42 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:44:05 -0500") References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <200211080844.05547.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <87u1ir3j5d.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "d" == dep writes: MN> There are TWO SIDES to every MN> There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. d> not true. i say that if you jump into a vat of molten steel you d> will die; you say you won't; the demonstration proves me right. Wow! You plunged STRAIGHT through the sarcasm to the HEART of the POINT! Beaujolais for you! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Nov 7 13:36:47 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107142207.GA7128@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:22:07 -0500") References: <20021105234223.GD5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106000136.GL23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106002216.GG5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106021001.GM23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <20021106025537.GO5324@dasbistro.com> <87pttjgwsu.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021106143429.GD1934@eiv.com> <87adkmsh9x.fsf@freezer.burling> <20021107142207.GA7128@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87d6phm58w.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> Then don't jump into the thread if you don't know what it's SM> about. What crackmonkey list are _YOU_ on? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Nov 8 12:26:23 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> (Michel de Montaigne's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 14:52:31 -0500") References: <200211071437.47580.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107201911.GB2427@dasbistro.com> <20021108195231.GB19781@localhost> Message-ID: <87pttf3j0w.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "MdM" == Michel de Montaigne writes: MN> There are NO RIGHT ANSWERS. Anyone who advocates a MN> ``position'', or even a method of analysis or criticism is an MN> extremist wing-nut. MdM> Nordin, honey, tell me you're joking! Please! Please, tell me _you're_ joking. I can understand Minus and Lame* not grokking the reductio ad absurdum, but, y'know, you're the QUOTE CONTEST GUY. You should be above this stuff! ~Mr. Bad * HAW! I JUST MADE THAT UP! I'm like the NEW THOM STARK! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Nov 7 13:54:20 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 10:16:20 -0500") References: <20021105162326.GA29916@eiv.com> <20021106022740.GM5324@dasbistro.com> <20021106024731.GP23673@linuxmafia.com> <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021107151620.GA7302@eiv.com> Message-ID: <87y985kpv7.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "SM" == Shawn McMahon writes: SM> You let Usama bin Laden's organization attack us not once, not SM> twice, but six times so far, not counting recent attacks since SM> we destroyed the Taliban; the 1993 WTC attack, the bombing of SM> the Cole, and the four successful hijackings on Sept. 11 that SM> culiminated in three successful attacks on US buildings and SM> civilian population. So, do you know the stated purpose of bin Laden's organization? To get US troops out of Saudi Arabia -- troops that were supposed to leave in 1991 immediately after the Gulf War, but remain there today. Why are there troops in Saudi Arabia? To support the "no-fly zone" over southern Iraq -- a totally doomed policy. If you want to put anyone to blame for Osama bin Laden, put it at the feet of the first Bush administration, and at the feet of military interventionists of both parties. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri Nov 8 15:29:09 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] must be something in his crack In-Reply-To: <20021108230051.GS2427@dasbistro.com> (Not Erik's message of "Fri, 8 Nov 2002 15:00:51 -0800") References: <200211081755.30916.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20021108230051.GS2427@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87wunnod2y.fsf@pigdog.org> >>>>> "NE" == Not Erik writes: NE> Not very beloved if he mutilated and burned them. We've all got different ideas about love. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "A mandrill's behavior is mysterious." -- Mask of the Mandrill ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 15 07:36:51 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115130951.GD1644@eiv.com> References: <20021114185615.GA19752@zork.net> <20021114193319.GD29637@eiv.com> <20021114195247.GJ27924@8ball.wox.org> <20021114200240.GA29963@eiv.com> <20021114200731.GB19752@zork.net> <20021114203904.GC30134@eiv.com> <20021114211853.GC19752@zork.net> <20021114212747.GB30716@eiv.com> <20021114213454.GJ30021@zork.net> <20021115130951.GD1644@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115153651.GL27924@8ball.wox.org> commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > > > > Who could have made an honest mistake. > > > > Ah yes. All conservative errors are "honest". I see now. > > One person "could have" translates to "all, always"? > > Forget Esperanto; I need to learn Liberal. It's just enough different > from English to trip one up. Honestly, saying "all" may have been going a bit too far on the Monkey Master, for that I'd expect some sort of algebraic proof or similar. But really, the following has happened to me several times: How can you support $LIBERAL? Don't you remember that sinister lie he uttered? What about when $CONSERVATIVE said that other lie? Hey, that was an honest mistake! One common example of this was Al Gore and George Bush a little over 2 years ago. (Which is kinda funny, because I didn't even support Gore, and he can barely be considered liberal anyway.) -- Brian Hicks From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 08:19:20 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mister Bad quotation: > > It's entirely reasonable for people to report weird activity, even if > that weird activity is wearing a turban or having dark skin. > > But there is some responsibility on the part of law enforcement to > deal with this kind of report with level heads. > > What's not reasonable is for the cops to respond to those reports with > guns blazing, or with improper force. If the cops get called in, and > the taco truck is actually a taco truck, they should shake the guy's > hand, shake the reporter's hand, and head on back to the station for a > couple of crullers. I wasn't going to respond on this thread anymore, but: You and I are in 100% agreement on this. > But CM has a good point, too. It's not like these security measures > would keep out even the mildly-determined hostile element. Remember, some of the Sept. 11 hijackers were already on the watch list. If their papers had been checked, they probably wouldn't have been able to enter the country. (Yes, some of those were using their real IDs). If Richard Reid had been checked, he probably would have acted suspiciously enough to trigger a bomb-sniffing-dog search, which would have uncovered his shoe before he boarded the plane. The Transportation Safety Administration isn't really fixing this, BTW; I have some really good inside information about how bad they are. Those "experts" going around training people and scrutinizing the airport screeners have themselves had about 15 minutes of training. Oh, and one last thing: It was a citizen reporting weird behavior that resulted in the capture of the DC-area snipers. > It kind of brings up a weird point: considering how ridiculously easy > it is to move around in this country without notice, to avoid being > hassled, etc. (God Bless America -- that's the way I like it), why > aren't there _more_ terrorist attacks? I don't have a problem with moving around inside unmolested, either; I want checks at the border, not inside. I'll be right there protesting with you over checks on the inside, with the exception that I do think they should run IDs through the watch list on traffic stops. A traffic stop was how we caught Tim McVeigh, remember, although he was being a total fucking idiot at the time. The reason there aren't more is complicated, but in the end it boils down to: It costs an awful lot of money and takes a big organization to pull off an attack big enough to attract notice in a country where thousands of people die every day anyway, and where there are individual cities large enough that they have murders every day. To get that kind of money and organization together without being noticed by the CIA, FBI, or friendly foreign equivalents is very difficult, and almost requires that the country in which you do it be friendly to your goals. We've been busting these guys in the act for years. We foiled the guys who Saddam hired to assassinate President Bush, for instance. The problem in recent years has been a steady deterioration of our intelligence capability on the ground, especially in Afghanistan. The environment thus became more friendly for planning this kind of attack, while simultaneously an administration was in place that didn't believe in pre-emptive strikes as strongly as some past administrations. Clinton believed in them only as a political tool, really. So, Al Qaeda was able to combine a friendly host country with a boatload of cash, both bin Ladin's own and (probably) Saddam Hussein's, and put together the training and coordination to do this. Anybody can send three guys to blow up a bus, but that'd give a lower death toll than a full moon night in Flint, Michigan alone. Also, don't forget that one of the 20 hijackers got nailed before he could get here, and that's assuming that we didn't also foil a couple of other attempts that we don't even know about, simply because somebody got scared off or arrested for speeding. There were a lot more than 20 guys sent here, according to the interrogations in Gitmo. There will probably be more. There may have been more we just don't know about yet. For instance, some folks are speculating (and I don't know that there's any evidence on this, it's just a for-instance) that the recent West Nile Virus epidemic is an attack launched via migratory wildfowl from Cuba. We still don't know for sure what and who were behind the Anthrax attack. We know Al Qaeda recruited from Muslim communities in North America and the Carribean, and the investigation into any possible link with the snipers isn't complete, so for all we know that could have been an Al Qaeda operation as well. And the intel chatter right now is greater than it was in September of 2001, folks. And not all terrorists are Al Qaeda, of course; although most Muslim terrorists are linked to them simply because of shared ideals and the need for cash, which Al Qaeda has in abundance. Or, did; I don't know (and doubt anybody does) how much affect we've had on them other than the massive disruption and loss of centralized command and training we've inflicted in Afghanistan. My best sources dried up when I moved to Florida, alas. I don't personally know anybody in the intelligence community anymore other than one guy who builds spy satellites, and he won't tell me shit. Do remember one thing; most of these guys who are willing to die to hurt Americans are raised in religious schools that teach little or nothing about the world that isn't found in the Koran. They are not very sophisticated, they don't have the basic knowledge of getting away with crimes that you get from watching Murder, She Wrote or James Bond movies or reading Tom Clancy novels. Most reasonable people aren't willing to blow themselves up just so that American troops will leave a country in which they are invited guests, or stop supporting an ally's self defense. It's mostly the dumb or crazy ones that will be willing to risk death for the chance of dying anyway. Of course, they have some very smart and well-educated people behind the lines doing the planning for them. But we're doing our best to drop bombs on those people. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91R6HEcl9bQ0RMt0RArIHAJ9XvYHyj9KLq8/1n4nmA03xAVLsRACfTNNN RanUaJHn33VUDkqM05+uarY= =eJEQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 15 08:50:12 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115165012.GF20885@tastytronic.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon: > It was a citizen reporting weird behavior that resulted in the capture > of the DC-area snipers. Wrong again. John Allen Muhammad called the tip line several times and was hung up on. When he fnially got through he gave them information about the shooting in Alabama that led to the eventual arrest of Muhammad and John Lee Malvo. So it was a citizen reporting himself. Please, try to get your facts straight. -- Lukas Eklund leklund@tastytronic.net From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 08:57:20 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115165012.GF20885@tastytronic.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115165012.GF20885@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20021115165720.GA2711@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Lukas Eklund quotation: > > Wrong again. John Allen Muhammad called the tip line several times and > was hung up on. When he fnially got through he gave them information > about the shooting in Alabama that led to the eventual arrest of > Muhammad and John Lee Malvo. So it was a citizen reporting himself. > Please, try to get your facts straight. No, it was a truck driver named Ron Lantz who blocked them with his truck in the rest area and called police that resulted in their arrest. I said capture, not identification. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/25/earlyshow/main526939.shtml Get your own facts straight. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91SdvEcl9bQ0RMt0RAl+YAKDw6ee1/Yc9kkwK5mQJk8I9B7dIgACfepzp U/KFety+zXO3BwBdVeKMy9U= =9T4b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 09:03:03 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115165720.GA2711@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115165012.GF20885@tastytronic.net> <20021115165720.GA2711@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115170302.GA2918@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > No, it was a truck driver named Ron Lantz who blocked them with his > truck in the rest area and called police that resulted in their arrest. In the interest of fact-checking, I should add that the police say Ron wasn't the first one to call them. He's just the first one that has been identified, and he was the one who got another trucker to help him block the exit. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91SjGEcl9bQ0RMt0RAvRaAKCCJb+L41/cMxQ4LC1zr+dmHvMVzACgqqI1 0zglMnd9Vlqc9paLkL7zfOM= =RTUk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri Nov 15 09:11:42 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115165720.GA2711@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115165012.GF20885@tastytronic.net> <20021115165720.GA2711@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115171141.GG20885@tastytronic.net> Quoting Shawn McMahon: > No, it was a truck driver named Ron Lantz who blocked them with his > truck in the rest area and called police that resulted in their arrest. > > I said capture, not identification. That wasn't based on weird behavior. That was based on a description of the vehicle and a license plate released by the Montgomery County Police Department as well as a warrant for Muhammad's arrest. Nice try though. -- Lukas Eklund leklund@tastytronic.net From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri Nov 15 09:25:55 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Art in Paris In-Reply-To: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> References: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115172555.GA4937@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > > But the rash of bizarre, fake commemorative plaques that has suddenly > begun gracing the streets of Paris has got the city council worried. > There is, after all, a proper procedure to be followed in such > matters, and whoever is responsible is manifestly not following it. Someone should combine this with warchalking. - -- Shawn McMahon | Now is the time we should be celebrating AIM work: spmcmahonfedex | the Constitution and the rule of law, AIM home: smcmahoneiv | not abandoning it. - Neal Boortz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91S4jEcl9bQ0RMt0RAkcBAJ9Osgy0cnNDZEtMhGMc+uKdSBHnxwCgnCl7 C4iVEvHK1gc9DNcRgHXG7F4= =o1+q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri Nov 15 10:24:47 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Citizen Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Art in Paris In-Reply-To: <20021115172555.GA4937@eiv.com> References: <20021115013819.GW30021@zork.net> <20021115172555.GA4937@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115182447.GM27924@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Shawn McMahon quotation: > Someone should combine this with warchalking. Ha ha! Warchalking! You still got it, McMahon! - -- Brian Hicks -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE91TvujLHcIq3dHxYRAtxTAKDEhPM0MHbcAWeUiuB+VTMJL6S10QCg20PC Y5na5Nx4x12CGZdovYPCDeY= =6u77 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri Nov 15 10:40:22 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Those wacky Canadians Message-ID: <1037385622.3dd53f969ac4e@webmail.spamcop.net> http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/commentary-2002111525550.htm -- Bob Bernstein at Esmond, Rhode Island USA From andy at strugglers.net Fri Nov 15 10:51:49 2002 From: andy at strugglers.net (Andy Smith) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> References: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115185149.GB12846@lug.org.uk> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 08:27:46AM -0500, Shawn McMahon wrote: > begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > > > > Last I checked the Republic of Ireland is free from British rule. > > Yes, the 26 counties that managed to break free of British rule in a > bloody rebellion 81 years ago remain free of that rule today. > > The 6 counties that weren't so lucky continue to be oppressed. In what way are they oppressed? They have free and democratic elections in which they overwhelmingly choose to be part of the UK. They have freedom of speech and freedom to practice whatever religion they want. And if they STILL don't like it, they can cross the border and go live in the Republic if they want, no problem at all. But they don't because they know they have it better where they are. -- "It is I, Simon Quinlank. The chief conductor on the bus that is called hobby." -- Simon Quinlank From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri Nov 15 11:36:07 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Shawn McMahon wrote: > Britain's most recent action was suspension of the Assembly based on > the allegation (probably true) that it contained IRA spies. ITYM terrorists. > This would be approximately equivalent to suspending the House and > Senate of the US because John Conyers had a friend in the Michigan > Militia. I think it's more similar to suspending a state assembly, but that's just nitpicking. Eww... lice. > No right-thinking American should stand for this, and indeed, the US > government is opposed to the action that was taken. I think the US should do what they threaten and bomb cities that harbor terrorists or fund terrorists. Stay away from Boston and New York. From nick at zork.net Fri Nov 15 14:15:30 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Like Poland in the 1960s Message-ID: <20021115221530.GZ30021@zork.net> I love the bit about Poland at the end. ----- Forwarded message from AARG! Anonymous ----- Article from newspaper about increased security on RR property: On a balmy Sunday afternoon late last month, Richard Whitenight did what he often does on his days off: He went to a busy railroad junction in Fort Worth to watch the trains roll by. But as he sat making notes about passing freight trains, two police cruisers approached. Over the next five hours, Whitenight -- who works for the police department in nearby Arlington, Tex. -- identified himself to the officers. Then he identified himself to the officers' supervisor, then a detective from a terrorism task force, then the FBI. They seized his trainspotter's notebook and grilled him about every mark and note in it. They searched his car and took photos of it, inside and out. Finally, he had to sign a form agreeing never to return to the location known as Tower 55. Whitenight is one of thousands, perhaps millions, of people around the world who spend much of their time observing and photographing railroad operations out of a love for trains. In general, railroads have encouraged these "railfans" as long as they do not trespass or interfere with operations. Railroads even hold contests to use railfan photographs in calendars, and the Association of American Railroads has started a Web site to encourage the hobby. But after the FBI announced last month it had credible reports that al Qaeda might be targeting railroads, a growing minority of railfans have been questioned and sometimes searched. A handful have even been threatened with arrest, for pursuing a hobby they have embraced for years. Law enforcement officers and train crews have been told to be on the lookout for suspicious characters asking detailed questions about railroad operations, taking notes and taking pictures of trains. It appears the descriptions of "terrorist" and "railfan" are the same. "It's an unfortunate coincidence," said Edward Hamburger, president of the Association of American Railroads. But he said railroads may be a terrorist target, and "we want them to know we're not a soft target. People have to recognize they will be approached, they will be questioned, they will be asked to move on." "Railfanning, by its very nature, is suspicious," said John Bromley, longtime head of public relations for Union Pacific, the nation's largest railroad. "It involves loitering, taking pictures and taking notes." Some railfans are railroaders themselves, some museum curators, professors and others with a link to railroading. Others come from all walks of life. Some become minutely specialized, such as one group that follows the movements of a single type of diesel locomotive. But most are like Whitenight, 54, a Vietnam-era Navy veteran who simply loves to watch trains. In fact, until the FBI warning, dozens of railfans would regularly gather at Tower 55, an old switching and signal tower where main lines of the Union Pacific and the Burlington Northern Santa Fe converge near downtown Fort Worth. A lot of the train crews came to know the group and often waved and smiled. "Some of the guys recognize us," Whitenight said. "They see us all the time. But now they've been told to report us." Even though "train crews sort of know a railfan when they see one," as Bromley put it, Union Pacific has ordered them to report all activity that might be remotely suspicious. That includes people taking pictures of trains, even if they are doing so legally and are not trespassing on railroad property. Railroad police or local police departments are then dispatched to check out the situation. Reports of suspicious activity are "up significantly" in the last few weeks, Bromley said. "We certainly aren't out to destroy an American tradition of watching trains, but we have to be careful," Bromley said. Norfolk Southern has taken similar steps, although Robert Fort, communications vice president, said railfans won't be subject to arrest unless they are trespassing. Even then police will generally just escort railfans off railroad property, he said. "Tact and diplomacy are the order of the day," Fort said. Spokesmen for Burlington Northern Santa Fe, Amtrak and CSX Transportation say they are not specifically targeting photographers but have asked crews to report suspicious activity. Normally, police who encounter railfans simply check identities and record names and other basic information. But a few encounters go beyond that. Internet chat groups have been filled with stories of conflicts with police and railroad employees, including one Union Pacific conductor who ran up a bank to a public street to shout at a railfan to stop taking pictures of his train. Jim Satterwhite of Greenville, Tex., president of Coastline Rail Services, was out photographing trains last weekend when his wife had a visit from police. It seems a Kansas City Southern Railway locomotive crew had reported his tag number. Shortly after the police visit, his wife received a call from a railroad official. Satterwhite said in an interview that as a 20-year Air Force veteran who now works in the railroad industry, he understands the need for safety and security. But "when do we become prisoners in our own homes?" he asked. Even before the FBI announcement, railfans said they had noticed an increasing police presence. Joseph Suarez, 17, of Carson, Calif., said he and a friend were ordered out of their parked car a few weeks back while waiting for a train and patted down by a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy, who had trouble comprehending why their back seat was full of cameras, notebooks and train magazines. After his friend showed the deputy a business card advertising train photographs for sale, "that seemed to satisfy him a little bit." Finally, the deputy walked away, saying, "I don't have a problem with you being here." Nonetheless, Suarez said, they left the area and don't intend to go back for a while. Railfans aren't the only suspicious-looking characters who are merely hobbyists. Planespotters scour the world's airports to record and photograph airplanes. Greek authorities recently arrested several British and Dutch planespotters and charged them with espionage. They were released last week by a judge, who said it was clear they were merely following a hobby. One big difference between planespotters and trainspotters is that it is much easier to get close to the hundreds of thousands of miles of railroads, while most airports are fenced off and guarded. Even as police and the railroads view railfans with suspicion, Federal Railroad Administrator Alan Rutter says the railfan network could be "a real value" in spotting truly suspicious activity. Rutter said the government is already taking advantage of the intelligence-gathering abilities of railfans. In addition to perusing Web sites, an FRA spokesman said, the agency's field staff has begun asking people it knows to be legitimate railfans to report suspicious activity. The railfan intelligence-gathering capability is formidable. There are numerous Internet chat groups that keep up with almost everything unusual that moves on the railroad, from the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus train to trains carrying nuclear casks to storage sites. Those chat sites have been filled for weeks with advice on what to do about the growing police attention. That advice includes a caution that the railroads also stress: Don't trespass on railroad property. Many of the postings take a patriotic tone; many others express anger. But the advice also includes ways to look unthreatening, by wearing a shirt with a locomotive on it, for instance, or carrying railfan magazines to show police officers who never heard of the hobby. "As crazy as it sounds, you need to educate the cop about our strange hobby in under 60 seconds," wrote Todd Clark, the webmaster of Trainorders.com. Clark said in an interview that, for the most part, railroad police are familiar with the hobby but local police "think it's bizarre that grown men would be out there taking pictures of trains." Rutter suggested that railfans be "mellow" when approached by police. He said Whitenight was a good example of how to act: Cooperate, keep cool and understand that "everything passes in time." At the same time, he said the FRA now understands that it must help law enforcement agencies understand railfans. "We'll try to do what we can to let people know that railfans are out there," Rutter said. Most railfans take notes of some kind, often in a language all their own. "That ALBMDX-22 was 55 loads of mixed Toyotas and Nissans for the Midlothian unloading facility'' is one of the more jargon-free examples. Whitenight said the police in his case "didn't even recognize our terminology." "If even one of them had known what we were talking about," he said, "we could have cleared this up fast." Clark said the Federal Railroad Administration obviously is watching his Web site, because an official contacted him in May expressing concern about a person who asked about the location of certain bridges and wrote in broken English. That person turned out to be a legitimate Swiss railfan. The FRA also asked Clark to issue a caution on the Web site about being too specific about the location of bridges and tunnels. Most of his subscribers complied immediately, he said. Some railfans are advising their brothers to remain undercover as much as possible, not looking like railfans, keeping the car out of sight, taking one photo and moving to another location. This is becoming known as "guerrilla railfanning." "You mean like Poland in the 1960s?" said Nils Huxtable, a Canadian railfan who has traveled the world for decades taking pictures of steam locomotives, writing books and producing train calendars. In Eastern Europe years ago, he dodged the secret police to take forbidden railroad pictures. Huxtable said he has started to avoid the United States for railfan activities. "It's just not enjoyable being in that atmosphere," he said. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 15 14:26:42 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115222641.GA21139@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Do remember one thing; most of these guys who are willing to die to > hurt Americans are raised in religious schools that teach little or > nothing about the world that isn't found in the Koran. They are not > very sophisticated, they don't have the basic knowledge of getting > away with crimes that you get from watching Murder, She Wrote or > James Bond movies or reading Tom Clancy novels. Most reasonable > people aren't willing to blow themselves up just so that American > troops will leave a country in which they are invited guests, or > stop supporting an ally's self defense. It's mostly the dumb or > crazy ones that will be willing to risk death for the chance of > dying anyway. Of course, they have some very smart and > well-educated people behind the lines doing the planning for them. > But we're doing our best to drop bombs on those people. Fess up. You're trollaxor, aren't you? Or at least one of the Craig McPherson gang. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 15 14:29:01 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> References: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20021115222901.GB21139@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Yes, the 26 counties that managed to break free of British rule in a > bloody rebellion 81 years ago remain free of that rule today. > > The 6 counties that weren't so lucky continue to be oppressed. That must by why the vast majority of the people in these six counties want to be a part of the union. That must explain this Unionist majority up there, eh? I guess there's a big ol' Berlin wall keeping them in there, right? Your Plastic Paddie routine is almost as amusing as your no-lips republican routine. -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From jesux at unix.tm Fri Nov 15 08:59:44 2002 From: jesux at unix.tm (James Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Mister Bad wrote: > It kind of brings up a weird point: considering how ridiculously easy > it is to move around in this country without notice, to avoid being > hassled, etc. (God Bless America -- that's the way I like it), why > aren't there _more_ terrorist attacks? I was wondering about this recently, and came to the conclusion that the *overwhelmingly* vast majority of people are "ok". But then I remembered this: "the largest categories of terrorist offenses are racial/ethnic crimes (mostly against blacks), followed by religious (mostly anti-Semitic) and anti-gay crimes". - James -- James Moffitt "The Internet is a great way to get on the Net." -- Bob Dole From rick at linuxmafia.com Fri Nov 15 14:54:47 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:31 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115222901.GB21139@zork.net> References: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> <20021115222901.GB21139@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115225447.GJ28592@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > That must by why the vast majority of the people in these six counties > want to be a part of the union. Crowning irony: Dublin doesn't have a prayer of being able to underwrite the N.I. welfare system, and so couldn't afford the six counties even if Great Britain were to say "Fsck it, you're on your own." -- Cheers, "Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first Rick Moen woman she meets, and then teams up with three complete strangers rick@linuxmafia.com to kill again." -- Rick Polito's That TV Guy column, describing the movie _The Wizard of Oz_ From montaigne at att.net Fri Nov 15 15:02:11 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115222641.GA21139@zork.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115222641.GA21139@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115230211.GE6367@localhost> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:26:42PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > Or at least one of the Craig McPherson gang. Oh yeah right: Shawn and Craig, a pair of First Class Wits if ever there were one! -- montaigne From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri Nov 15 15:07:19 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115230211.GE6367@localhost> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115222641.GA21139@zork.net> <20021115230211.GE6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021115230719.GB25501@zork.net> begin Michel de Montaigne quotation: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 02:26:42PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince > Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > Or at least one of the Craig McPherson gang. > > Oh yeah right: Shawn and Craig, a pair of First Class Wits if ever > there were one! I'm willing to guess that you're the hot grits guy -- or was it natalie portman? -- A: No. Q: Should I include quotations after my reply? From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri Nov 15 15:14:38 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [motohio@hotmail.com: Bulletin to CSX employees] In-Reply-To: <20021115230719.GB25501@zork.net> References: <20021107205924.GK31792@zork.net> <1036706594.17651.70140.camel@amory> <20021108204957.GA13432@eiv.com> <1036790585.18902.107281.camel@amory> <20021108213841.GA13779@eiv.com> <871y5vptix.fsf@pigdog.org> <20021115161920.GA2418@eiv.com> <20021115222641.GA21139@zork.net> <20021115230211.GE6367@localhost> <20021115230719.GB25501@zork.net> Message-ID: <20021115231438.GA6607@dasbistro.com> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 03:07:19PM -0800, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > I'm willing to guess that you're the hot grits guy -- or was > it natalie portman? Mmm. Hot grits and Natalie Portman. That's the Star Track chick, right? Mmmmmmm.... -- not erik - squinky@dasbistro.com - http://www.dasbistro.com/~erik/ From Radix42 at Cox.Net Fri Nov 15 15:35:22 2002 From: Radix42 at Cox.Net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 700 year old Australian Mickey Mouse In-Reply-To: <20021115153229.A4980@blackbird.intercode.com.au> References: <20021115153229.A4980@blackbird.intercode.com.au> Message-ID: At 3:32 PM +1100 11/15/02, James Moffitt wrote: >Freaky. > >http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/11/15/1037080899329.html > haha, prior art, Michael Eisner can go to hell! -- David Mercer Tucson, AZ Radix42@Cox.Net From Radix42 at Cox.Net Fri Nov 15 15:39:36 2002 From: Radix42 at Cox.Net (David Mercer) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Here, kitty kitty kitty... CLEAR! In-Reply-To: <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> References: <20021114195001.GA29897@eiv.com> <20021115132746.GE1644@eiv.com> Message-ID: At 8:27 AM -0500 11/15/02, Shawn McMahon wrote: >Britain's most recent action was suspension of the Assembly based on >the allegation (probably true) that it contained IRA spies. > >This would be approximately equivalent to suspending the House and >Senate of the US because John Conyers had a friend in the Michigan >Militia. No, it's more like suspending the Assembly of Puerto Rico if there were pro-Cuban seperatist elements in it. -- David Mercer Tucson, AZ Radix42@Cox.Net From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Fri Nov 15 15:48:30 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> Message-ID: <20021115234830.GB3701@columbus.rr.com> On Thu, Nov 14, 2002 at 04:05:29PM -0500, Michel de Montaigne wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > dave@zork.net has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > Just as I suspected; the zork-wit index continues to plummet! Soon I will be > able merely to step over it. I don't think of Michel's posts as stepped over, so much as stepped in. -- Matthew W. Miller mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From montaigne at att.net Fri Nov 15 16:48:30 2002 From: montaigne at att.net (Michel de Montaigne) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20021115234830.GB3701@columbus.rr.com> References: <20021114071408.GZ30021@zork.net> <20021114210529.GC6367@localhost> <20021115234830.GB3701@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <20021116004830.GF6367@localhost> On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 06:48:30PM -0500, mwmiller@columbus.rr.com wrote: > I don't think of Michel's posts as stepped over, so much as stepped in. Since the statute of limitations for witty ripostes on that post has expired, your otherwise excellent comeback falls, to quote Hume, stillborn from the press. > -- > Matthew W. Miller > mwmiller@columbus.rr.com That is an incredibly boring sig, and an incredibly pedestrian domain. You _need_ a zork account! Nick? -- montaigne From henrik at enberg.org Sat Nov 16 01:22:32 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Who are the clowns at shure.com? Message-ID: <87d6p5c1if.fsf@enberg.org> And why do they send me 6 weeks old crack? From thesubjugator at subjugation.org Sat Nov 16 01:37:29 2002 From: thesubjugator at subjugation.org (Subjugator of Pt Jeff and Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Who are the clowns at shure.com? In-Reply-To: <87d6p5c1if.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87d6p5c1if.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <1037439571.19367.102953.camel@amory> On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 04:22, Henrik Enberg wrote: > > And why do they send me 6 weeks old crack? Hey, I like that. pid 12791: 553 Please stop sending six week old crack. From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat Nov 16 03:07:44 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Who are the clowns at shure.com? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:22:32 +0100." <87d6p5c1if.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87d6p5c1if.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <200211161107.gAGB7iqj019371@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 16 Nov 2002 10:22:32 +0100, Henrik Enberg said: > > And why do they send me 6 weeks old crack? It's Redmond crack. And it's having flashbacks to every Crackmonkey and NANOG post for the last 6 weeks. Return-path: Received: from shure.shure.com ([206.126.224.29]) by shure.shure.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:01:00 -0500 Received: by shure.shure.com (Microsoft Connector for POP3 Mailboxes 5.00.2195) with SMTP (Individual POP3 Download) id MSG10102002-020045-3369.MMD@shure.com for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:00:45 -0500 They use THAT software to go through 6 weeks of crackmonkey and NANOG in one night, the only thing they'll be useful for is target practice for a monkey knife fight. Maybe a monkey with a dull knife will detach their gonads and remove them from the gene pool. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu Nov 7 13:43:04 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:57:32 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canadia issues travel advisory; don't go to the US In-Reply-To: <200211070929.16114.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Thu, 7 Nov 2002 09:42:25 -0500") References