From colin_wills at bigfoot.com Wed May 1 00:05:04 2002 From: colin_wills at bigfoot.com (Colin Wills) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bong Hits 4 Jesus In-Reply-To: <20020430180742.A17773@zgp.org> References: <20020430180742.A17773@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com> begin Don Marti quote: > Joseph Frederick, the Juneau-Douglas High School senior suspended in January > for displaying a banner reading "Bong Hits 4 Jesus" [...] Initially I though that Mr. Bong must be a rival educational establishment's top baseball batter and that Juneau-Douglas High School was upset by the unfair use of His support. However, I have read the article and the article states that: begin http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/040802/loc_banner.shtml quote > [...] the word[s] "Bong Hits" referred to marijuana use [...] but am still none the wiser. What or who is "Bong"? -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Non HTML Mail / \ http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/ From danny at spesh.com Wed May 1 00:14:31 2002 From: danny at spesh.com (Danny O'Brien) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> Message-ID: <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 06:22:27PM -0700, Thomas Duffy thpoke: > On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 18:16, Danny O'Brien wrote: > > % w3m -dump 'http://www.google.com/search?q=scientology' > > Don is so way ahead of you... > > Did you hear this on slashdot? Or did you figure it out for your > lonely, pitiful self? Oh, I'm sorry. Is this not "repost old news written by Crackmonkeys elsewhere in the belief that they will enjoy listening to their own screeching tirades parroted through the fat tongues of their inferiors" week on Crackmonkey? Careful how much of that you quote in your reply. d. From justin at soze.net Wed May 1 03:33:50 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> Message-ID: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-01 07:14 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Danny O'Brien > On Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 06:22:27PM -0700, Thomas Duffy thpoke: > > On Mon, 2002-04-29 at 18:16, Danny O'Brien wrote: > > > % w3m -dump 'http://www.google.com/search?q=scientology' > > > > Don is so way ahead of you... > > > > Did you hear this on slashdot? Or did you figure it out for your > > lonely, pitiful self? > > Oh, I'm sorry. Is this not "repost old news written by Crackmonkeys > elsewhere in the belief that they will enjoy listening to their own > screeching tirades parroted through the fat tongues of their inferiors" > week on Crackmonkey? Yeah, you nailed it. Crackmonkeys are chained to their peers' corpses. We enjoy screeching because the alternative is to remove the chains and travel to far off lands where equally squalid and mentally challenged monkeys are playing mozart. If you've never heard a heroinmonkey playing mozart, I hear it's no quality experience. You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you permission to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you permission to send SPAM to all of us, so I won't even ask. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From sneakums at zork.net Wed May 1 03:42:57 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:45 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 10:33:50 +0000") References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <6usn5cup1q.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Justin quotation: > You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you > permission to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you permission to > send SPAM to all of us, so I won't even ask. He's Danny O'Brien. Who the fuck are you? -- "If you are your whole self in your weblog, if I could completely know you by just reading your weblog, then you've broken some barrier and become a Philip K. Dick character, or you have a very small life." -- Sumana Harihareswara From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed May 1 04:46:16 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The need for an ORB In-Reply-To: <20020430073951.GA40737@yoyo.org> References: <20020429202314.GS694@zork.net> <20020429161758.M50894@interwoven.com> <20020430073951.GA40737@yoyo.org> Message-ID: <200205010746.16385.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Peter Lowe's quote: | On Apr 30, Andrew Elmore wrote: | > some of us use symbols to think with, not scaly reptiles. | | Yeah, the scaly reptiles suck, but the fleshy reptiles are the | worst. They really piss me off. yeah, but the *hairy* ones -- whoo-ee! you know, like al gore. you find him writhing in the sun on the information superhighway, tire tracks across his back, crows picking at his hemipenis, and he's all the while muttering about having invented the goddammed thing. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed May 1 04:50:12 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020430152727.GG694@zork.net> References: <20020430152727.GG694@zork.net> Message-ID: <200205010750.12374.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | Oh, and by the way, that's not your baby she's carrying. no, it's the hideous spawn of an alien demon met in unholy congress. they transmit their putrified seed over an 802.11 connection, which is what happens when you use one of those embedded linux vibrators. otoh, they're said to be an aid to regularity. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed May 1 04:51:20 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: <20020430172550.GA27374@dasbistro.com> References: <20020430070829.GJ4268@dasbistro.com> <20020430172550.GA27374@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200205010751.20644.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Not Erik's quote: | There's not much that's fancier than banana ketchup from West | Hollywood. yeah, but you have to be friends with a urologist there to get it. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed May 1 14:23:40 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: References: <20020501053717.GA26469@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020501212340.GA1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence David Ulevitch quotation: > If you two are in fact the same person, please take your "advanced > delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage" elsewhere. Everyone on this list is the same person, I thought you realized this by now. Of course the really sad thing is that rather than talking to yourself, you've got a list set up. You really should get help. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE80FzbjLHcIq3dHxYRAoNRAKDUbOxc92vPvSpU2EA9ZUyayzqAUACg3lTz VbzwFtFqOXINQjOEWOhaKFQ= =py9V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Wed May 1 14:30:58 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020501213058.GB1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > Yeah, you nailed it. Crackmonkeys are chained to their peers' > corpses. We enjoy screeching because the alternative is to remove > the chains and travel to far off lands where equally squalid and > mentally challenged monkeys are playing mozart. If you've never > heard a heroinmonkey playing mozart, I hear it's no quality > experience. I know Crackmonkeys. Crackmonkeys are good friends of mine. And you sir, are no Crackmonkey. > You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you permission > to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you permission to send SPAM > to all of us, so I won't even ask. ... [Time passes.] - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE80F6RjLHcIq3dHxYRAvmDAJ0XCHNGzrK3EtZI4hyP1k6heDd86QCfcDIb w7wIckS4xL5WGaP0xaAQa5k= =dZYd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org Wed May 1 07:14:02 2002 From: lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org (The Lumberjack DJ) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: (David Ulevitch's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:55:53 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87lmb4551x.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DU" == David Ulevitch writes: DU> b) Would either "Not Erik" or "Baron of Washoe" please get DU> their own vanity domain name. You both have known since 1999 DU> that all the cool people have them. DU> If you two are in fact the same person, please take your DU> "advanced delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary DU> narcissistic rage" elsewhere. Yeah!!!!!! ~LDJ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Lumberjack DJ - lumberjack-dj@pigdog.org - http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org Wed May 1 07:16:04 2002 From: lumberjack-dj at pigdog.org (The Lumberjack DJ) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 10:33:50 +0000") References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <87hels54yj.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "CotR" == Chancellor of the Republic writes: CotR> You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you CotR> permission to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you CotR> permission to send SPAM to all of us, so I won't even ask. Get the fuck off my list. ~LDJ -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Lumberjack DJ - lumberjack-dj@pigdog.org - http://pigdog.org/ Today is the car of the cdr of your life. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed May 1 07:20:39 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The need for an ORB In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 May 2002 07:46:16 EDT." <200205010746.16385.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020429202314.GS694@zork.net> <20020429161758.M50894@interwoven.com> <20020430073951.GA40737@yoyo.org> <200205010746.16385.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <200205011420.g41EKdQn018080@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 01 May 2002 07:46:16 EDT, dep said: > yeah, but the *hairy* ones -- whoo-ee! you know, like al gore. you > find him writhing in the sun on the information superhighway, tire > tracks across his back, crows picking at his hemipenis, and he's all > the while muttering about having invented the goddammed thing. Al Gore thinks he invented the crows picking at stuff thing? Hate to tell him, but some Greek deity did that to somebody's liver like 3,000 years ago, so Gore's patent on it is invalid due to prior art.... From dmarti at zgp.org Wed May 1 08:19:16 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020501060215.GW694@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 11:02:16PM -0700 References: <20020501060215.GW694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020501081916.B1282@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 11:02:16PM -0700: > Don, is this your doing? No. Kids, run! Your mom is selling you into proprietary software servitude! You can stay in San Francisco; there's plenty of room. See you at the bus station! -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Wed May 1 09:38:42 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Gray Davis: GAR is confidential Message-ID: <20020501093842.F2979@zgp.org> A bas Oracle! "To proceed with the contract last May, officials at the Department of Information Technology and the Department of General Services prepared a memo for the governor's office known as a Governor's Action Request, or GAR. The Davis administration has maintained these documents are not public because they involve confidential deliberations." (Confidential deliberations of putting our tax money in Larry Ellison's pocket, that is.) "Oracle, which gave Davis $25,000 days after the contract was signed, has argued the contract will save California millions." http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/news/local/3173156.htm -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Wed May 1 09:41:24 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bong Hits 4 Jesus In-Reply-To: <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com>; from colin_wills@bigfoot.com on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:05:04AM +0000 References: <20020430180742.A17773@zgp.org> <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com> Message-ID: <20020501094124.A3424@zgp.org> begin Colin Wills quotation of Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:05:04AM +0000: > but am still none the wiser. What or who is "Bong"? 833 Market St., San Francisco. http://www.mistersf.com/props/props833market.htm -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 10:03:02 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canucks can't tell their left from their right Message-ID: <20020501170302.GX694@zork.net> http://www.canada.com/national/features/mandate/story.html?id={5F5BDF34-59FF-4F8E-9BA4-72C0F483324A} -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 10:04:06 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020501170406.GY694@zork.net> Die. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- colin@nonhtmlmail.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From colin at nonhtmlmail.org Wed May 1 00:33:10 2002 From: colin at nonhtmlmail.org (Colin Wills) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bong Hits 4 Jesus In-Reply-To: <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com> References: <20020430180742.A17773@zgp.org> <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com> Message-ID: <20020501073310.GA13074@dork7.dorkers.com> begin Colin Wills quote: > [...] What or who is "Bong"? Worked it out from this article about the iBong: http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,50820,00.html -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Non HTML Mail / \ http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed May 1 07:09:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: <20020429214530.A19681@sakima.ivy.net> (Miles Nordin's message of "Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:45:30 -0600") References: <87helu41xz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020429223522.GC15455@laviola.org> <20020429214530.A19681@sakima.ivy.net> Message-ID: <87r8kw559g.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: >> Like Microsoft Word. MN> porku lim, trolo. Kion FIKE tiu supoze signifus? ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Goofus gets the chicks." -- lisapea From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 10:17:40 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020501171740.GZ694@zork.net> begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you > permission to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you permission to > send SPAM to all of us, so I won't even ask. You are meddling with forces you cannot possibly understand, twit. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 10:18:26 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bong Hits 4 Jesus In-Reply-To: <20020501073310.GA13074@dork7.dorkers.com> References: <20020430180742.A17773@zgp.org> <20020501070504.GB12654@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020501073310.GA13074@dork7.dorkers.com> Message-ID: <20020501171826.GA694@zork.net> begin Colin Wills quotation: > Worked it out from this article about the iBong: Way to go, Sherlock. Have a biscuit. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 10:34:54 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [avi@ns.levi.spb.ru: Re: zork.net mailing list memberships reminder] Message-ID: <20020501173454.GB694@zork.net> Happy Mayday, Comrades! And happy MailMan Day! ----- Forwarded message from Anatoly V Ivanov ----- Envelope-to: mailman-owner@zork.net From: "Anatoly V Ivanov" To: mailman-owner@zork.net In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: zork.net mailing list memberships reminder Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:14:37 +0400 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.4 required=4.0 tests=IN_REP_TO version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: Sorry, Anatoly Ivanov is far away from computers till 5th of May. Yours, Stupid mail robot. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed May 1 12:51:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: References: <20020501053717.GA26469@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020501195123.GB28848@dasbistro.com> On Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 10:55:53PM -0700, David Ulevitch wrote: > On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Not Erik wrote: > > > Confer off, troll. > > a) that makes no fucking sense I'm not going to walk you through the previous posts on this thread and explain everything. Your inability to understand is not my responsibility. > b) > Would either "Not Erik" or "Baron of Washoe" please get their own vanity > domain name. You both have known since 1999 that all the cool people have > them. It's not a "vanity" domain name. It's the domain name of our server. > If you two are in fact the same person, please take your "advanced > delusionary schizophrenia with involuntary narcissistic rage" elsewhere. Seeing as we are not the same person, which is well known to many people on this list, I'll just keep my advanced delusionary schizophrenia right here. As far as my narcissistic rage, it's totally voluntary. While we're at it, why don't you take your Reader's Digest Pop Psychology, fold it up into an origami swan, and stick it up your proverbial Play-Doh Fun Factory. Then GTFOML. From squinky at dasbistro.com Wed May 1 12:53:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: <200205010751.20644.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020430070829.GJ4268@dasbistro.com> <20020430172550.GA27374@dasbistro.com> <200205010751.20644.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020501195323.GC28848@dasbistro.com> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:51:20AM -0400, dep wrote: > begin Not Erik's quote: > > | There's not much that's fancier than banana ketchup from West > | Hollywood. > > yeah, but you have to be friends with a urologist there to get it. I swear to God I stared at my screen for five full seconds trying to figure out what that meant. Eventually I discovered that it was quite funny. The people on TV say that it's my silver fillings that make me so slow on the uptake. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 13:31:18 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020501081916.B1282@zgp.org> References: <20020501060215.GW694@zork.net> <20020501081916.B1282@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020501203117.GE694@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Kids, run! Your mom is selling you into proprietary software > servitude! You can stay in San Francisco; there's plenty of room. > See you at the bus station! Once more, with feeling! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 14:08:37 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> It's only tiny if you're in Canadia. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- svanegmond@tinyplanet.ca has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Wed May 1 14:19:49 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A must have Message-ID: Any real crackmonkeist would not need any further comments: http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/brainstorm.html _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 14:25:30 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A must have In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020501212530.GH694@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: > Any real crackmonkeist would not need any further comments: > http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/brainstorm.html http://us.imdb.com/Title?0085271 > If you like this title, we also recommend... > > Alien: Resurrection (1997) ha. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Wed May 1 14:33:19 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A must have In-Reply-To: <20020501212530.GH694@zork.net> References: Message-ID: At 14.25 -0700 02-05-01, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: >begin Mikael Pawlo quotation: >> Any real crackmonkeist would not need any further comments: >> http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/brainstorm.html > >http://us.imdb.com/Title?0085271 >> If you like this title, we also recommend... >> >> Alien: Resurrection (1997) > >ha. Maybe with earphones. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 14:38:39 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Blades Message-ID: <20020501213839.GI694@zork.net> http://www.software.hp.com/blade-servers/debian_img.htm > As shipped, one server blade in the bh7800 chassis has the Debian > distribution of Linux pre-installed. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 14:41:51 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Sex Tractor Message-ID: <20020501214151.GJ694@zork.net> Package: sextractor Priority: optional Section: science Love it, baby! It's *science*! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From pawal at blipp.com Wed May 1 15:34:01 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] wildlife Message-ID: <20020501223401.GK12545@vic20.blipp.com> http://www.yodel.net/downloads/WildlifeByYodel.mpeg -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca Wed May 1 15:42:50 2002 From: svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca (Stephen van Egmond) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> References: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020501224250.GA10136@tinyplanet.ca> Nick Moffitt (nick@zork.net) wrote: > It's only tiny if you're in Canadia. Didn't you hear? Everything's smaller here. From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 17:10:51 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020502001050.GK694@zork.net> Not a safe place for the kids, no doubt. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- rachelandkids@msn.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sharkey at zoic.org Wed May 1 17:21:12 2002 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The need for an ORB In-Reply-To: <200205011420.g41EKdQn018080@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu>; from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:20:39AM -0400 References: <20020429202314.GS694@zork.net> <20020429161758.M50894@interwoven.com> <20020430073951.GA40737@yoyo.org> <200205010746.16385.dep@linuxandmain.com> <200205011420.g41EKdQn018080@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020502102112.B24190@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 10:20:39AM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > Al Gore thinks he invented the crows picking at stuff thing? > [...] Gore's patent on it is invalid due to prior art.... Yeah, but Al Gore wrote "... on the Internet" on it in crayon. -----sharks From dmarti at zgp.org Wed May 1 17:27:44 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020502001050.GK694@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:10:51PM -0700 References: <20020502001050.GK694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020501172744.A15092@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:10:51PM -0700: > Not a safe place for the kids, no doubt. The kids are already on their way to your house. With flowers in their hair, like that song, dude. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From morbus at disobey.com Wed May 1 17:31:37 2002 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) Message-ID: Some may find this humorous: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 The more you think about it, the more it starts to make sense. Here's a blurbage: "I was brushing my teeth this morning when my mind drifted to Cory Doctorow's How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Panopticon. As my mind is apt to do, I started thinking of dry humor parodies of the title - beginning with rhymes and humming a beat to its flow. Minutes later, a single word droned in my head, decepticon, Decepticon, DECEPTICON! I was on to something. Transformers, the computer industry... they paralleled! Not only did they parallel, they also brought forth a rather inspiring light, one that put me at ease. An in-the-know onlooker stated: "Taking seven months from writing to publication, Morbus had to lobby Congress and hold five public rallies in order to get this article through the gates. He want through approximately seventy three litres of coffee whilst trying to get it published. He hopes you like it" -- Morbus Iff ( united we're bland ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Tech: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 - articles and weblog icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From carton at Ivy.NET Wed May 1 17:41:21 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> (Thomas Duffy's message of "30 Apr 2002 14:45:36 -0700") References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "td" == Thomas Duffy writes: carton> http://sakima.Ivy.NET/~carton/apollo-daphne.jpg td> chmod 644, you bitch... done. How humiliating. Next I will be ``whipping up some little open source thing.'' -- i recently met someone who when they first grabbed a mouse, they turned it around so the wire pointed the opposite way, so the "head" of the mouse pointed foward and the "tail" behind, as would seem to make sense. they subsequently reversed in their brain the axes of movement, and concluded that the screen was a mirror not a window. -- John Klima From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 17:46:54 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020501172744.A15092@zgp.org> References: <20020502001050.GK694@zork.net> <20020501172744.A15092@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020502004654.GL694@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:10:51PM -0700: > > Not a safe place for the kids, no doubt. > > The kids are already on their way to your house. With flowers in > their hair, like that song, dude. Bah. I'll just send them over to Wild Side West or something. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 17:51:52 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> begin Morbus Iff quotation: > Some may find this humorous: > > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/1358 I'll say, look at the first paragraph: > I was brushing my teeth this morning when my mind drifted to Cory > Doctorow's How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Panopticon. I > knew I had heard a similar title somewhere in my web travels, and > early morning wisdom satisfied my nagging, wholly unintentional > inquisition: 'twas J. S. Majer's piece on Gamegrene.com entitled How > I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Monomyth. Yeah, and that's obviously just a TOTAL FUCKING COINCIDENCE and none of you wispily moustachioed punks ever heard of Stanley Kubrick. You're soooo clever for thinking that was a catchy title and deciding to write a different version. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From morbus at disobey.com Wed May 1 17:58:01 2002 From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) Message-ID: >Yeah, and that's obviously just a TOTAL FUCKING COINCIDENCE >and none of you wispily moustachioed punks ever heard of Stanley >Kubrick. You're soooo clever for thinking that was a catchy title and >deciding to write a different version. The origin of the title wasn't important enough to explain. -- Morbus Iff ( united we're bland ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Tech: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 - articles and weblog icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus From svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca Wed May 1 18:02:15 2002 From: svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca (Stephen van Egmond) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> References: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org) wrote: > Yeah, and that's obviously just a TOTAL FUCKING COINCIDENCE > and none of you wispily moustachioed punks ever heard of Stanley > Kubrick. You're soooo clever for thinking that was a catchy title and > deciding to write a different version. Memespotting! http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stop+worrying+and+learn+to+love%22 From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Wed May 1 18:05:42 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> References: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> Message-ID: <20020502010542.GN694@zork.net> begin Stephen van Egmond quotation: > Memespotting! > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stop+worrying+and+learn+to+love%22 Rather: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stopped+worrying+and+learned+to+love%22 -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed May 1 18:05:54 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A must have In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200205012105.54454.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mikael Pawlo's quote: | Any real crackmonkeist would not need any further comments: | http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/brainstorm.html an *even better* must have. forget the battlebots when you can have one of these: http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?story=291019 -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From nick at zork.net Wed May 1 18:36:22 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [dmarti@zgp.org: Re: [linux-elitists] Should software apologize?] Message-ID: <20020502013622.GS694@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- begin Aaron Lehmann quotation of Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:20:13PM -0700: > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:15:54PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > But perhaps committing seppuku in disgrace is overdoing it. > > http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1208.html I did ask them to speak. No reply yet. http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1301.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. _______________________________________________ linux-elitists http://zgp.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-elitists ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Wed May 1 18:39:50 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: <20020502010542.GN694@zork.net> References: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> <20020502010542.GN694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502013950.GA3526@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-02 01:05 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > begin Stephen van Egmond quotation: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stop+worrying+and+learn+to+love%22 > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stopped+worrying+and+learned+to+love%22 Error: character %22 not supported on this computer. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu May 2 02:42:34 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! Message-ID: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 In honor of Mailman Day, here's a joke: One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, "You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?" And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE80QoIjLHcIq3dHxYRAqDUAKCc8cSW/1jSkOwdtqHoNLE8zSNc+gCcC45Y ihLcogksEzqOxdR9+s7XSHY= =lE++ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dep at linuxandmain.com Wed May 1 19:01:50 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy Mailman Day! In-Reply-To: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200205012201.50475.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Brian D. Hicks's quote: | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- | Hash: SHA1 | | In honor of Mailman Day, here's a joke: | | One day a pirate walks into a bar with a steering wheel | attached to his crotch. So the bartender says to him, | "You know you have a steering wheel attached to your crotch?" | | And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" which is similar to the two guys walking along when they spied a dog licking itself. "man, i wish i could do that," said one. "well," said the other, "i think you'd better pet him first." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From henrik at enberg.org Wed May 1 19:16:11 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Happy Mailman Day! In-Reply-To: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> ("Brian D. Hicks"'s message of "Thu, 2 May 2002 04:42:34 -0500") References: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <87bsbzi9as.fsf@enberg.org> "Brian D. Hicks" writes: > And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" ^^^^ ITYM "Arrrr" -- Yo mama's so stupid, she ordered her sushi well done. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu May 2 03:31:35 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Happy Mailman Day! In-Reply-To: <87bsbzi9as.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20020502094234.GC1046@8ball.wox.org> <87bsbzi9as.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020502103135.GD1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > "Brian D. Hicks" writes: > > > And the pirate says, "Aaar, its driving me nuts!" > ^^^^ > ITYM "Arrrr" Don't ask me, I just pasted it from the archives. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE80RWFjLHcIq3dHxYRApAkAKDEWpp6GEThDEkd96ZPej1fMq6YLACfVpOv PBPBmH85U6CG0Ujlmo/NN4k= =n4YV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Wed May 1 22:23:41 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:46 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 May 2002 21:02:15 EDT." <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> References: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> Message-ID: <200205020523.g425NfQn005841@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Wed, 01 May 2002 21:02:15 EDT, Stephen van Egmond said: > Memespotting! > > http://www.google.com/search?q=%22stop+worrying+and+learn+to+love%22 We nailed the *first* guy who came up with that meme to a tree. Unfortunately, it seems to be a rather virulent meme and keeps cropping up. From dmarti at zgp.org Wed May 1 23:48:01 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] bah! Declan McCullagh says fooey on speed limits! Message-ID: <20020501234801.A19737@zgp.org> In Libertaria they all drive 85MPH!!! http://politechbot.com/p-03475.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu May 2 04:58:52 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] bah! Declan McCullagh says fooey on speed limits! In-Reply-To: <20020501234801.A19737@zgp.org> References: <20020501234801.A19737@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020502115852.GD10519@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Don Marti quotation: > In Libertaria they all drive 85MPH!!! > http://politechbot.com/p-03475.html I like this little blurb: "Police in Holland are installing security cameras to monitor their speed cameras after losing one-fifth of all the cameras in the province of Brabant to attacks from vandals and irate drivers. 4/17/02" Next year, they're installing security cameras to monitor their security cameras. - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzRKfsACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3UlwCg+kXgdxGYdoo6iYyNle17WzY+ 4PYAn0IDzPXrA1sEStzqynki8gWDncwC =L4T9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 2 08:55:54 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canucks can't tell their left from their right In-Reply-To: <20020501170302.GX694@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 10:03:02 -0700") References: <20020501170302.GX694@zork.net> Message-ID: <87bsbybl2t.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> http://[...]/story.html?id={5F5BDF34-59FF-4F8E-9BA4-72C0F483324A} So, am I nuts, or is that story ID a UUID? Or both? ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Goofus gets the chicks." -- lisapea From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 09:02:05 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Canucks can't tell their left from their right In-Reply-To: <87bsbybl2t.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020501170302.GX694@zork.net> <87bsbybl2t.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020502160205.GB694@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > NM> http://[...]/story.html?id={5F5BDF34-59FF-4F8E-9BA4-72C0F483324A} > > So, am I nuts, or is that story ID a UUID? Or both? I tried hacking off portions of it, and couldn't get the story. It only worked when I kept the whole thing. Spooky, but I think it's just a story ID. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 2 08:57:59 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 14:08:37 -0700") References: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> Message-ID: <877kmmbkzc.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> It's only tiny if you're in Canadia. As a Canadian, I take offense. We are the only country to have burned a large part of the American White House. So there. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Goofus gets the chicks." -- lisapea From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 2 08:59:07 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] A must have In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 23:19:49 +0200") References: Message-ID: <873cxabkxg.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> Any real crackmonkeist would not need any further comments: MP> http://www.dromo.com/fusionanomaly/brainstorm.html Apparently I fail. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Goofus gets the chicks." -- lisapea From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 2 09:00:55 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "01 May 2002 20:41:21 -0400") References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> Message-ID: <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> -- i recently met someone who when they first grabbed a mouse, MN> they turned it around so the wire pointed the opposite way, so MN> the "head" of the mouse pointed foward and the "tail" behind, MN> as would seem to make sense. they subsequently reversed in MN> their brain the axes of movement, and concluded that the MN> screen was a mirror not a window. -- John Klima You know, I heard about this guy that shot John Klima in the ass with an arrow. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Goofus gets the chicks." -- lisapea From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 09:08:55 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <877kmmbkzc.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> <877kmmbkzc.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020502160855.GC694@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > As a Canadian, I take offense. Tourist! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 2 09:04:24 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] How I Learned to Stop Worrying... (Mac Evangelism) In-Reply-To: <200205020523.g425NfQn005841@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 01:23:41 -0400") References: <20020502005152.GM694@zork.net> <20020502010215.GA13148@tinyplanet.ca> <200205020523.g425NfQn005841@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <87sn5aa647.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "VK" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: VK> We nailed the *first* guy who came up with that meme to a VK> tree. Nice misplaced modifier, that. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From simm at zork.net Thu May 2 09:16:53 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020502161653.GA24565@zork.net> begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > > You pathetic piece of uncooked meat, who the hell gave you permission > to subscribe? It's obvious nobody gave you permission to send SPAM > to all of us, so I won't even ask. > ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha OH THE IRONY! THE HILARITY! IS THIS GUY JOKING?! WHAT A FOOL! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu May 2 09:18:59 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <877kmmbkzc.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020501210837.GG694@zork.net> <877kmmbkzc.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020502161859.GA11971@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Mr. Bad quotation: > > We are the only country to have burned a large part of the American > White House. So there. Whereas those of us from less barbaric countries know you LIVE in houses, not burn them. See, that way you get warmth AND protection from the other elements. - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzRZvMACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2StQCePhr/Z6vl1Ss/MGIrMLAuXsi6 UHQAoIW6ed8++aOvh9ripZUfcRBZqzQ6 =q5z8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Thu May 2 09:37:55 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Blades In-Reply-To: <20020501213839.GI694@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:38:39PM -0700 References: <20020501213839.GI694@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502093755.B25443@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Wed, May 01, 2002 at 02:38:39PM -0700: > http://www.software.hp.com/blade-servers/debian_img.htm > > As shipped, one server blade in the bh7800 chassis has the Debian > > distribution of Linux pre-installed. Blade servers also bust silver caps in vampire servers' asses, which is an essential feature in today's business environment, where dark server rooms drip with blood and resound with throbbing techno music. Don't you read Infoworld? -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From leklund at tastytronic.net Thu May 2 09:47:00 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020502161653.GA24565@zork.net> References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> <20020502161653.GA24565@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502124700.V18886@tastytronic.net> Quoting Simm Al-Aekrib: > ha OH THE IRONY! THE HILARITY! IS THIS GUY JOKING?! WHAT A FOOL! ha ITYM EL-HILARITY HAND -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- OVERWROUGHT FEELINGS FOR A TV EVOLUTION! +++ From nick at zork.net Thu May 2 10:01:03 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests Message-ID: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1961000/1961897.stm Be sure to check out the images on that one. I especially love the tea-drinking dictator glowering over the microphones. "You will have your beauty contests and you will thank the State for them!" -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Thu May 2 10:54:29 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Duh Message-ID: <20020502175428.GI694@zork.net> Duh. Everyone knows it was Linda Lovelace. ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: newsletter@tvspy.com Deep Throat The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that John Dean, former aide to President Richard Nixon in the early 1970s, thinks he has just the thing to mark the 30th anniversary of the Watergate scandal - the identity of Deep Throat. The ex-White House counsel claims he knows the name of the anonymous source who helped Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein crack the coverup. Dean plans to make his grand declaration in "The Deep Throat Brief," due to be published online by Salon.com June 17, the anniversary of the Watergate Hotel break-in. "I thought that 30 years of hiding was long enough," says Dean, who has spent years researching government archives. "It's a great brainteaser." Dean, whose testimony helped bring down a President said "There's one person who's headed into Richard Nixon's eternal history who outranks me as his worst enemy, and that's Deep Throat." Woodward didn't return a call for comment on the supposed revelation, but Bernstein told us, "I await it with baited breath. I'm sure at that point I'll say, 'Nice guess.' But we're going to say who it is when that individual dies." ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu May 2 12:03:09 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> Message-ID: <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1961000/196189 |7.stm | | Be sure to check out the images on that one. I especially love the | tea-drinking dictator glowering over the microphones. "You will | have your beauty contests and you will thank the State for them!" the bbc caption on the top picture is priceless, too, as is the alt text -- "a beauty contest." typical britifaction: "this is a beauty contest like the ones the belarussians will have except that they are fat and covered with hair-sprouting warts will wear welding garments including mask instead of swimsuits, and the audience will be grateful for this." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu May 2 12:08:53 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Duh In-Reply-To: <20020502175428.GI694@zork.net> References: <20020502175428.GI694@zork.net> Message-ID: <200205021508.53100.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Nick Moffitt's quote: | Woodward didn't return a call for comment on the supposed | revelation, but Bernstein told us, "I await it with baited breath. | I'm sure at that point I'll say, 'Nice guess.' But we're going to | say who it is when that individual dies." *there's* a great way to spend a weekend: hop into the old station wagon and head to washington, pick up bernstein and an official vince foster special edition .38 smith, and go from house to house among people in the nexin white house. at each house, shoot the former official and say, "okay, was it him?" and if the answer is no, proceed anyway. the hard part would be to come up with justification for stopping at the homes of former johnson administration officials, or at least such as are not already rotisserie fodder, especially that putrified rectum robert macnamara. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From simm at zork.net Thu May 2 12:28:44 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> begin dep quotation: > begin Nick Moffitt's quote: > | http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1961000/196189 > |7.stm > | > | Be sure to check out the images on that one. I especially love the > | tea-drinking dictator glowering over the microphones. "You will > | have your beauty contests and you will thank the State for them!" > > the bbc caption on the top picture is priceless, too, as is the alt > text -- "a beauty contest." typical britifaction: "this is a beauty > contest like the ones the belarussians will have except that they are > fat and covered with hair-sprouting warts will wear welding garments > including mask instead of swimsuits, and the audience will be > grateful for this." > Hi, Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify when the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From sam at dasbistro.com Thu May 2 12:53:42 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:00:55AM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: > > MN> -- i recently met someone who when they first grabbed a mouse, > MN> they turned it around so the wire pointed the opposite way, so > MN> the "head" of the mouse pointed foward and the "tail" behind, > MN> as would seem to make sense. they subsequently reversed in > MN> their brain the axes of movement, and concluded that the > MN> screen was a mirror not a window. -- John Klima > > You know, I heard about this guy that shot John Klima in the ass with > an arrow. > Can he run 45 miles per hour? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Thu May 2 13:03:27 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 12:28:44 PDT." <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> Message-ID: <200205022003.g42K3RQn016984@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Thu, 02 May 2002 12:28:44 PDT, Simm Al-Aekrib said: > begin dep quotation: > > the bbc caption on the top picture is priceless, too, as is the alt > > text -- "a beauty contest." typical britifaction: "this is a beauty > > contest like the ones the belarussians will have except that they are > > fat and covered with hair-sprouting warts will wear welding garments > > including mask instead of swimsuits, and the audience will be > > grateful for this." > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify when > the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. The funny part kicks in around word 60 of dep's comments. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 13:29:25 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020502202925.GA28493@zork.net> begin Sam Phillips quotation: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:00:55AM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > > You know, I heard about this guy that shot John Klima in the ass > > with an arrow. > > Can he run 45 miles per hour? No, but Space Zorro can. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From joey at kitenet.net Thu May 2 13:34:11 2002 From: joey at kitenet.net (Joey Hess) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > | Be sure to check out the images on that one. I especially love the > > | tea-drinking dictator glowering over the microphones. "You will > > | have your beauty contests and you will thank the State for them!" > > > > the bbc caption on the top picture is priceless, too, as is the alt > > text -- "a beauty contest." typical britifaction: "this is a beauty > > contest like the ones the belarussians will have except that they are > > fat and covered with hair-sprouting warts will wear welding garments > > including mask instead of swimsuits, and the audience will be > > grateful for this." > > > > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify when > the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png HTH! -- see shy jo From smcmahon at eiv.com Thu May 2 13:52:22 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Joey Hess quotation: > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png If that one is too complex, try this one: http://goatse.cx - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzRpwUACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3KMgCgruojZdI2VzBOce/YaXGdxJIH GaIAoPhkW6X7zOaG44X2uNehzKDQXwpU =652L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 13:54:07 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> begin Joey Hess quotation: > > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify > > when the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png Please send GNU PIC source code. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Thu May 2 14:02:13 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <20020502202925.GA28493@zork.net> References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> <20020502202925.GA28493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502210213.GR29240@dasbistro.com> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:29:25PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:00:55AM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > > > You know, I heard about this guy that shot John Klima in the ass > > > with an arrow. > > > > Can he run 45 miles per hour? > > No, but Space Zorro can. > But only after he jumps through the rift in time that takes him to 18th century Mexico. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 14:07:16 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020502210716.GE28493@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > If that one is too complex, try this one: > > http://goatse.cx Oh deary me. I appear to have been completely taken in by your cunning ploy. Joey, kill him. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From simm at zork.net Thu May 2 14:14:07 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Joey Hess quotation: > > > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png > > If that one is too complex, try this one: > > http://goatse.cx > Hi. Please diagram this `joke' (as you say in english) for me. Thank you very much. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From phorst at ointment.org Thu May 2 14:41:10 2002 From: phorst at ointment.org (Peter Horst) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020502214110.GR8300@ointment.org> * Shawn McMahon [2002-05-02 3:52pm]: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Joey Hess quotation: > > > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png > > If that one is too complex, try this one: > > http://goatse.cx Godwin^2. Poster loses immediately and is forcibly unsubscribed. C'mon, list, WTF? This is a new low. Yours, Petulant and Peeved -- Instead of a trap door, what about a trap window? The guy looks out it, and if he leans too far, he falls out. Wait. I guess that's like a regular window. -- Jack Handey From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 14:45:04 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502214110.GR8300@ointment.org> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502214110.GR8300@ointment.org> Message-ID: <20020502214504.GI28493@zork.net> begin Peter Horst quotation: > > http://goatse.cx > > Godwin^2. Poster loses immediately and is forcibly unsubscribed. > C'mon, list, WTF? This is a new low. > > Yours, > > Petulant and Peeved Dear Petulant, Get the fuck off my list. Sincerely, CrackMonkey -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Thu May 2 14:57:17 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-02 20:54 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > begin Joey Hess quotation: > > > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify > > > when the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. > > > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png > > Please send GNU PIC source code. Please also put up .gif version. thanks! -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From mdillon at standmed.com Thu May 2 15:07:10 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020502220709.GA27368@lxbox3.embody.org> begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > Please also put up .gif version. Once you pull it out of your ass, you mean? -md From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Thu May 2 15:53:36 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Jane Goodall is in da house Message-ID: I'm surprised crackmonkey was unaware of this: Jane Goodall (Thu/2) Queen of the Apes There's an ongoing argument as to the identity of the real Tarzan -- is it Johnny Weismuller or Christopher Lambert? But everyone concedes that the real Jane has got to be venerable chimpophile Jane Goodall. The internationally recognized chimpanzee expert and activist has spent most of her long life in Africa, in the company of apes, studying their behavior and protecting them from harm. Her scratched arms from crawling through ape nests all day, and her high-pitched Julia Child-like voice are forever etched on the consciousness of Western TV watchers. This Thursday, Goodall will lecture at Herbst Theatre, in a benefit for the Yosemite National Institute and the Roots & Shoots Program. -- Jan Richman, special to SF Gate City Arts & Lectures, Herbst Theatre, 401 Van Ness Ave., SF; 8 pm; $18; (415) 392-4400. From justin at soze.net Thu May 2 16:08:44 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502220709.GA27368@lxbox3.embody.org> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> <20020502220709.GA27368@lxbox3.embody.org> Message-ID: <20020502230844.GD3526@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-02 22:07 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley > begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > > Please also put up .gif version. > > Once you pull it out of your ass, you mean? That's jiff, btw. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From nick at zork.net Thu May 2 16:54:22 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Peruvian GNU baby Message-ID: <20020502235422.GW28493@zork.net> http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html Heh heh. gnu.org.pe I love it! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 17:03:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Peruvian GNU baby In-Reply-To: <20020502235422.GW28493@zork.net> References: <20020502235422.GW28493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020503000335.GY28493@zork.net> begin Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html This lead me to an interesting roundup: http://www.lugcos.org.ar/serv/mirrors/proposicion/doc/referencias/ -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri May 3 01:11:15 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503081115.GE1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > > Please also put up .gif version. http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER39 - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE80kYijLHcIq3dHxYRAj6oAKD1uQLy5cmU8o1RvwLQ0/HdQHUcjQCg/7BU DGP2i16F8yToUq2PCeRbqWQ= =2POW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Thu May 2 19:36:06 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [snatcher@pigdog.org: Re: [pigdog] Would you like that media rare..?] Message-ID: <20020503023606.GE28493@zork.net> Sean Neakums, ladies and gentlemen! ----- Forwarded message from El Snatcher ----- >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> Like the movie about the kid who gets the microscope for his SN> birthday and builds all those tiny Zoids that begin to build SN> more of themselves until this huge swarm of Zoids bursts out SN> of the closet like a flood of plastic and kills the whole SN> family before realising that Pokemon is the in thing now so SN> they all self-destruct. What a show. Are you sure you didn't just smoke a whole bunch of pot? If not, we should smoke a whole bunch of pot and watch that. Jake -- .^....^. "I don't like the feel of ! .\/. ! [the sun] on my skin." (. oo .) --Christopher Walken `{""}' _______________________________________________ pigdog mailing list pigdog@pighaven.org http://mail.pighaven.org/mailman/listinfo/pigdog ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu May 2 20:15:23 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Peruvian GNU baby In-Reply-To: <20020502235422.GW28493@zork.net> References: <20020502235422.GW28493@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020503031523.GA5056@dasbistro.com> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 04:54:22PM -0700, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://www.gnu.org.pe/resmseng.html > > Heh heh. gnu.org.pe > > I love it! My god... so many bytes... and not an ascii drawing among them. Do you realize how difficult it is for someone like me to stare at my screen this long without killing something or staring into the abyss of a close-up beaver shot? Good read, though. Why don't we have congressmen like this? From carton at Ivy.NET Wed May 1 19:10:42 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: <87r8kw559g.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "Wed, 01 May 2002 07:09:31 -0700") References: <87helu41xz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020429223522.GC15455@laviola.org> <20020429214530.A19681@sakima.ivy.net> <87r8kw559g.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "b" == Bad writes: b> Kion FIKE tiu supoze signifus? I don't speak your crazy moon language. -- shadowy grove outside the locked ward a moonless night -- Mark Brooks From carton at Ivy.NET Wed May 1 19:18:17 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GAR frenzy! In-Reply-To: <20020430160754.B15849@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:07:54 -0700") References: <20020430160754.B15849@zgp.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "dm" == Don Marti writes: dm> Automating Entire OS Builds: How to perform a gcc ``cross into'' with NetBSD: sparc:/usr/src$ ./build.sh -d -m hpcmips I guess it's not as cool as GAR since it's a shell script, but cross builds are good. They can take hours instead of days with some current embedded targets, like my NEC laptop. -- BigBy sped off, laughing, through a megaphone. From carton at Ivy.NET Wed May 1 19:30:56 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:47 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Moi... =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Aliz=E9e?= In-Reply-To: <20020430224158.GA16390@lxbox3.embody.org> (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley's message of "Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:41:59 -0700") References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020430224158.GA16390@lxbox3.embody.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "mdceob" == mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley writes: mdceob> And now it is Britain's turn to welcome Aliz?e... WELCOME, ROBOT MASTERS! From carton at Ivy.NET Wed May 1 19:23:56 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Wed, 1 May 2002 10:33:50 +0000") References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "cotr" == Chancellor of the Republic writes: cotr> remove the chains and travel to far off lands where equally cotr> squalid and mentally challenged monkeys are playing mozart. Le ventre est encore f?cond d'o? est sorti la b?te. -- Benjamin Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 2 23:07:27 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] GAR frenzy! In-Reply-To: References: <20020430160754.B15849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020503060727.GA19321@zork.net> begin Trolldozer for Hire quotation: > >>>>> "dm" == Don Marti writes: > dm> Automating Entire OS Builds: > > How to perform a gcc ``cross into'' with NetBSD: > > sparc:/usr/src$ ./build.sh -d -m hpcmips So go write an article for Embedded NetBSD Journal already. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mvw at wave.co.nz Fri May 3 02:09:16 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> Message-ID: <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 04:34:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify when > > the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? Mark. From justin at soze.net Fri May 3 02:12:49 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> Message-ID: <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-03 09:09 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mark van Walraven > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 04:34:11PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > Simm Al-Aekrib wrote: > > > Please diagram this joke for me. If possible, please also specify when > > > the funny part kicks in, so I know when to laugh. Thanks. > > > > http://kitenet.net/~joey/tmp/graph.png > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? I have a banana. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From mvw at wave.co.nz Fri May 3 02:27:00 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:12:49AM +0000, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: > commence quote 2002-05-03 09:09 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? > > I have a banana. As a graph, please. Mark. From justin at soze.net Fri May 3 03:44:08 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> Message-ID: <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-03 09:27 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mark van Walraven > On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:12:49AM +0000, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: > > commence quote 2002-05-03 09:09 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? > > > > I have a banana. > > As a graph, please. http://www.soze.net/~justin/misc/banana.png -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri May 3 04:26:43 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <200205030726.43760.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Chancellor of the Republic's quote: | > > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? | > > | > > I have a banana. | > | > As a graph, please. | | http://www.soze.net/~justin/misc/banana.png what is the unit of time? you may need to alter the premise to include "frozen," "petrified," or "putrified" in the description of the banana. alternately, you could circumvent the whole thing by substituting "a disposable diaper" or "herpes" for "a banana." -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mvw at wave.co.nz Fri May 3 04:40:00 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503114000.GB25167@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 10:44:08AM +0000, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: > > > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? > > > > > > I have a banana. > > > > As a graph, please. > > http://www.soze.net/~justin/misc/banana.png Nice graph, but that's no more than tail recursion. Mark. From inkblot at movealong.org Fri May 3 04:40:39 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502230844.GD3526@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205407.GD28493@zork.net> <20020502215717.GB3526@dreams.soze.net> <20020502220709.GA27368@lxbox3.embody.org> <20020502230844.GD3526@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503114039.GA10775@movealong.org> Just now Chancellor of the Republic made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > commence quote 2002-05-02 22:07 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > by mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley > > > begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > > > Please also put up .gif version. > > > > Once you pull it out of your ass, you mean? > > That's jiff, btw. That's correct, and for precisely this reason: the 'G' in 'GIF' actually stands for giraffic. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING OUT THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION SO THAT I CAN POINT OUT WHY :>>>>>>>>> ! -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From justin at soze.net Fri May 3 04:45:44 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <200205030726.43760.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <20020503092700.GB24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503104408.GB7179@dreams.soze.net> <200205030726.43760.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020503114544.GC7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-03 11:26 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by dep > begin Chancellor of the Republic's quote: > > | > > > Does anyone know any non-trivially recursive joke forms? > | > > > | > > I have a banana. > | > > | > As a graph, please. > | > | http://www.soze.net/~justin/misc/banana.png > > what is the unit of time? you may need to alter the premise to include > "frozen," "petrified," or "putrified" in the description of the > banana. A banana is a banana is a banana. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Fri May 3 04:48:06 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Another publicity victory for the Scientologists' legal team In-Reply-To: References: <20020429181635.A25592@spesh.com> <1020129748.23484.43.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <20020501001431.A16776@spesh.com> <20020501103350.GA827@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503114806.GD7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-02 02:23 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Miles Nordin > >>>>> "cotr" == Chancellor of the Republic writes: > > cotr> remove the chains and travel to far off lands where equally > cotr> squalid and mentally challenged monkeys are playing mozart. > > Le ventre est encore f?cond d'o? est sorti la b?te. > -- Plato Yeah. Why don't you leave and then we'll see. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From henrik at enberg.org Fri May 3 05:57:47 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Monkey Mayor Message-ID: <871yctwfqs.fsf@enberg.org> > A "monkey" has been elected Mayor of Hartlepool. > The town, famous for once hanging a monkey on suspicion of spying, saw > Stuart Drummond, also known as H'Angus the Monkey, storm to victory in > the race for Mayor. Since Jello Biafra's bid failed, maybe crackmonkey can run in SF. -- Yo mama's so stanky, she gets sourdough yeast infections. From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri May 3 06:52:42 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503114544.GC7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205030726.43760.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020503114544.GC7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <200205030952.42642.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Chancellor of the Republic's quote: | A banana is a banana is a banana. wow. you're entirely correct. i just looked it up -- romeo and juliet, act. II, sc. ii, lines 43-44: "What's in a name? A banana is a banana is a banana. And you got *some* banana! Hope it doesn't ooze ketchup. Are they *all* orange like that?" -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri May 3 10:25:13 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503114039.GA10775@movealong.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 2002, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > > > > Please also put up .gif version. > > > > > > Once you pull it out of your ass, you mean? > > > > That's jiff, btw. > > That's correct, and for precisely this reason: the 'G' in 'GIF' > actually stands for giraffic. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING OUT > THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION SO THAT I CAN POINT OUT WHY :>>>>>>>>> ! I think you missed the joke. You see... he had peanut butter up his butt. and it was driving him nuts. arrr!!!! -- "compuserve pronounced it 'jif' and so do I" -- Ben Franklin From inkblot at movealong.org Fri May 3 10:51:34 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: References: <20020503114039.GA10775@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> Just now #2 of Berkeley made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > > > > > > Please also put up .gif version. > > > > > > > > Once you pull it out of your ass, you mean? > > > > > > That's jiff, btw. > > > > That's correct, and for precisely this reason: the 'G' in 'GIF' > > actually stands for giraffic. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR POINTING OUT > > THE CORRECT PRONUNCIATION SO THAT I CAN POINT OUT WHY :>>>>>>>>> ! > > I think you missed the joke. > You see... he had peanut butter up his butt. > and it was driving him nuts. > arrr!!!! If there ever was a jiff brand peanut butter, I highly doubt that it existed for long, because if I were a lawyer for Proctor & Gamble, I would file suit against its makers for infringement of the JIF brand in less time than it would take the ink on the paperwork to dry. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri May 3 11:12:14 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 2002, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > If there ever was a jiff brand peanut butter, I highly doubt that it > existed for long, because if I were a lawyer for Proctor & Gamble, I > would file suit against its makers for infringement of the JIF brand > in less time than it would take the ink on the paperwork to dry. You have LFPs up your butt and they're impairing your sense of humor. I diagrammed the joke for you: http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png -- "and its driving me nuts! arr!" -- Ben Franklin From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri May 3 11:31:57 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> Quoting #2 of Berkeley: > http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png How will this effect my ROI? Please submit histograms and all relevant documentation. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- GLIMMERING MANLINESS IN THE TV MONKEY WARD! +++ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri May 3 11:44:38 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 03 May 2002 14:31:57 EDT." <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <200205031844.g43IicQn009047@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 03 May 2002 14:31:57 EDT, Lukas Eklund said: > Quoting #2 of Berkeley: > > http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png > > How will this effect my ROI? Depends what brand and quantity lubricant you use. And quite frankly, we don't care if you callit Roi, or Irving, or Harold. From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri May 3 11:47:08 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <200205031844.g43IicQn009047@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> <200205031844.g43IicQn009047@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020503184708.GB18388@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > > And quite frankly, we don't care if you callit Roi, or Irving, or Harold. As long as it's orange. - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzS2ysACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt2ViQCgjq6fCCOV9ovOfMNqtpftOG8h 7JMAoKHABYsfcRGlj/+YSwAm5xaLqPYV =nzSj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From smcmahon at eiv.com Fri May 3 11:54:33 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > Hi. > Please diagram this `joke' (as you say in english) for me. > Thank you very much. Here you go: http://vatican.rotten.com/fecaljapan/ - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzS3OgACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt1akwCfdO9LDymSCtU4V+jg4A5kB/Ox X6EAn28rt8LjKL/Q3DDV61xMlka0L15S =DT/5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mdillon at standmed.com Fri May 3 11:57:59 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20020503185759.GA29931@lxbox3.embody.org> begin #2 of Berkeley quotation: > I diagrammed the joke for you: > > http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png This diagram has been selected as the Berkeley Joke Diagram of the Day. Unfortunately, we had a falling out with the ASCII art ribbon syndicate, so there is currently no token of our appreciation for this award. But you do have our gratitude, and can be content in the knowledge that future generations of Berkeleyan youth will know you and call you "Uncle Crack Donkey". -md From inkblot at movealong.org Fri May 3 12:11:40 2002 From: inkblot at movealong.org (The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> Message-ID: <20020503191140.GA28765@movealong.org> Just now #2 of Berkeley made 15 LEDs in my apartment flash with this: > On Fri, 3 May 2002, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > > > If there ever was a jiff brand peanut butter, I highly doubt that it > > existed for long, because if I were a lawyer for Proctor & Gamble, I > > would file suit against its makers for infringement of the JIF brand > > in less time than it would take the ink on the paperwork to dry. > > You have LFPs up your butt and they're impairing your sense of humor. > > I diagrammed the joke for you: > > http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png > That's very cute. You get a cookie. Now, since it was actually my joke and you fail to grasp subtlety of my highly evolved sense of humor, I think that the best we can all hope for is for you to GTFOML. -- --< ((\))< >----< inkblot@movealong.org >----< http://www.movealong.org/ >-- pub 1024D/05A058E0 2002-03-07 Nate Riffe (06-Mar-2002) Key fingerprint = 0DAC F5CB D182 3165 D757 C466 CD42 12A8 05A0 58E0 From simm at zork.net Fri May 3 12:21:43 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020503192143.GA28261@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > begin Simm Al-Aekrib quotation: > > > > Hi. > > Please diagram this `joke' (as you say in english) for me. > > Thank you very much. > > Here you go: > > http://vatican.rotten.com/fecaljapan/ > > Hi. Please diagram this additional joke for me. It would be much appreciated. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri May 3 12:29:17 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503192143.GA28261@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503192143.GA28261@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020503152917.C3101@tastytronic.net> Quoting Simm Al-Aekrib: > begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > http://vatican.rotten.com/fecaljapan/ > > Please diagram this additional joke for me. > It would be much appreciated. Also, please document how this may affect ROI. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- WORTHLESS BOURGEOISIE IN THE E-BUSINESS HEMISPHERE! +++ From holo at ob1.beadpainter.org Fri May 3 10:50:49 2002 From: holo at ob1.beadpainter.org (Holo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Arr! Message-ID: <20020503115049.A32105@ob1.beadpainter.org> http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/05/03/navy.pirate.attack/index.html U.S. Navy fires on small boats thought to be pirates May 3, 2002 Posted: 10:33 AM EDT (1433 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. Navy oiler ship was forced to fire its guns against a half dozen small power boats that approached it as the ship passed through the Straits of Hormuz on April 23 in the Persian Gulf near Iran. The Navy has not publicly disclosed the incident. But a defense official Friday confirmed to CNN the details of what took place, and suggested the boats may have been piloted by bandits intending to raid a ship. [...] Officials say they do not believe this was a terrorist incident, but may have been local pirates who may not have realized the ship they were trying to board was a U.S. Navy vessel. Arr! It's driving me nuts! -- rh From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Fri May 3 12:59:17 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503191140.GA28765@movealong.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 2002, The Archduke of Chicago and Subjugator of Michigan wrote: > I think that the best we can all hope for is for you to GTFOML. but I'm not on nambla-l -- "someone tell moloch to sit down" -- Ben Franklin From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri May 3 13:33:15 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > Here you go: Dude, you're not impressing anyone. Get the fuck off my list. No, seriously. Just fuck off. You're probably about the most killfilled dork on here, with the possible exception of that Justin Soze fux0r. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Fri May 3 13:34:32 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020503203431.GL19321@zork.net> fecaljapan indeed... ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- nowan@nowan.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From squinky at dasbistro.com Fri May 3 13:40:17 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <200205030952.42642.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205030726.43760.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020503114544.GC7179@dreams.soze.net> <200205030952.42642.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020503204017.GA13477@dasbistro.com> On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 09:52:42AM -0400, dep wrote: > begin Chancellor of the Republic's quote: > > | A banana is a banana is a banana. > > wow. you're entirely correct. i just looked it up -- romeo and juliet, > act. II, sc. ii, lines 43-44: > > "What's in a name? A banana is a banana is a banana. And you got > *some* banana! Hope it doesn't ooze ketchup. Are they *all* orange > like that?" ITYM 'catsup.' From justin at soze.net Fri May 3 13:47:01 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20020503204701.GG7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-03 18:31 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Lukas Eklund > Quoting #2 of Berkeley: > > http://donkeyshow.org/images/diagram.png > > How will this effect my ROI? > > Please submit histograms and all relevant documentation. ITYM "holograms." HTH. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From leklund at tastytronic.net Fri May 3 13:52:56 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503204701.GG7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> <20020503204701.GG7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020503165256.D3101@tastytronic.net> Quoting Chancellor of the Republic: > ITYM "holograms." > > HTH. Bzzzzzzzzt. Please try again. BLNT. FOAD. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- OVERWROUGHT THEOSOPHY IN THE ADVERTISING CONTINUUM! +++ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri May 3 13:59:50 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503165256.D3101@tastytronic.net> References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503143157.B3101@tastytronic.net> <20020503204701.GG7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020503165256.D3101@tastytronic.net> Message-ID: <20020503205950.GN19321@zork.net> begin Lukas Eklund quotation: > Quoting Chancellor of the Republic: > > ITYM "holograms." > > Bzzzzzzzzt. Please try again. > > BLNT. FOAD. Or were they? ...they were! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Fri May 3 14:55:51 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Arr! In-Reply-To: <20020503115049.A32105@ob1.beadpainter.org>; from holo@ob1.beadpainter.org on Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:50:49AM -0600 References: <20020503115049.A32105@ob1.beadpainter.org> Message-ID: <20020503145551.C24274@zgp.org> begin Holo quotation of Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:50:49AM -0600: > U.S. Navy fires on small boats thought to be pirates Jack Valenti and Pat Schroeder both issued press releases condemning the waste of ammo, as these were just "board your ship and cut your throat" type pirates, not the mean kind. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri May 3 16:01:04 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Arr! In-Reply-To: <20020503145551.C24274@zgp.org> References: <20020503115049.A32105@ob1.beadpainter.org> <20020503145551.C24274@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200205031901.04244.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Don Marti's quote: | begin Holo quotation of Fri, May 03, 2002 at 11:50:49AM -0600: | > U.S. Navy fires on small boats thought to be pirates | | Jack Valenti and Pat Schroeder both issued press releases | condemning the waste of ammo, as these were just "board your ship | and cut your throat" type pirates, not the mean kind. meanwhile, f-14 tomcats from a u.s. navy taskforce in the sea of japan downed more than 50 commercial airliners on final approach to tokyo narita airport after intercepted air traffic control communications indicated that the planes were being flown by pirates. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From mark at symonds.net Fri May 3 19:56:32 2002 From: mark at symonds.net (Mark Symonds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Little Old Lady At The Door Message-ID: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> Java, we all hate it. Still: http://www.javalobby.org Little Old Lady At The Door --------------------------- I took my wife, Elizabeth, and our two daughters out for Thai food last night, and when we got home there was a car with two little old ladies driving very slowly by our house. It was weird, the kind of thing you notice and wonder about. We pulled into the garage, and a couple of minutes later the doorbell rang. Sure enough, it was one of the little old ladies who had been driving by. Elizabeth answered the door, and they had a pleasant conversation for a minute, then the lady asked if Mr. Ross was around? I went to the front door, and the lady said she was there to drop off some papers. She was a process server for Microsoft's attorneys, and I had been subpoenaed From mdillon at standmed.com Fri May 3 20:10:39 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Little Old Lady At The Door In-Reply-To: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> References: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> Message-ID: <20020504031039.GA1467@eber.embody.org> begin Mark Symonds quotation: > Java, we all hate it. Still: > > http://www.javalobby.org Since I despise Rick Ross himself more than I could ever dislike Java (it's personal), this makes me say "ha, ha". -md From henrik at enberg.org Fri May 3 20:32:11 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Little Old Lady At The Door In-Reply-To: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> (Mark Symonds's message of "Fri, 3 May 2002 19:56:32 -0700") References: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> Message-ID: <87k7qksi4k.fsf@enberg.org> Mark Symonds writes: > I took my wife, Elizabeth, and our two daughters out for Thai food > last night, and when we got home there was a car with two little old > ladies driving very slowly by our house. It was weird, the kind of thing > you notice and wonder about. We pulled into the garage, and a couple of > minutes later the doorbell rang. Sure enough, it was one of the little > old ladies who had been driving by. Elizabeth answered the door, and they > had a pleasant conversation for a minute, then the lady asked if Mr. Ross > was around? I went to the front door, and the lady said she was there to > drop off some papers. She was a process server for Microsoft's attorneys, > and I had been subpoenaed What a disappointing ending. I thought the little ladies was a metaphor for the slowness and all-around timidity of Java. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she got stabbed in a shoot-out. From carton at Ivy.NET Fri May 3 17:42:52 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503185759.GA29931@lxbox3.embody.org> (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley's message of "Fri, 3 May 2002 11:57:59 -0700") References: <20020503175134.GA25096@movealong.org> <20020503185759.GA29931@lxbox3.embody.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "mdceob" == mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley writes: mdceob> "Uncle Crack Donkey". Pedro Feo -- Peace had become the miserable condition of survival, the extreme urgency of escaping death. Peace was marked simply by the fatigue of the struggle and the usury of the passions. -- Hardt and Negri From carton at Ivy.NET Fri May 3 17:38:17 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Fri, 3 May 2002 09:12:49 +0000") References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020503090916.GA24761@mvw.wave.co.nz> <20020503091249.GC6345@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "justin" == Chancellor of the Republic writes: justin> I have a banana. You are-a banana. -- We must teach them to regret their arrogance. -- Richard M. Stallman From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 4 06:53:41 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Little Old Lady At The Door In-Reply-To: <87k7qksi4k.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 05:32:11 +0200") References: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> <87k7qksi4k.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <6ud6wcvx22.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > What a disappointing ending. I thought the little ladies was a > metaphor for the slowness and all-around timidity of Java. Well, duh. Clearly Microsoft's lawyers have a sense of humour. For example, isn't that "you can't install anything but Windows on your PC" thing just the biggest troll ever? It must be a laugh a minute over there at Microsoft Legal. I wonder if they're hiring. -- "Hungarian Notation is the tactical nuclear weapon of source code obfuscation techniques." -- Roedy Green From nick at zork.net Sat May 4 09:05:24 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> Okay, so one Rumanian-American, one Ukrainian, and we lose a duck. Damn. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. bob@ruptured-duck.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. stuart.robinson@connect-2.co.uk has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 09:30:52 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Nick Moffitt of "Sat, 04 May 2002 09:05:24 PDT." <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "AlphaMonkey" == Nick Moffitt wrote: AlphaMonkey> Okay, so one Rumanian-American, one Ukrainian, and we lose a AlphaMonkey> duck. Damn. The duck is still here, under a new address: AlphaMonkey> rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us has been successfully subscribed AlphaMonkey> to CrackMonkey. AlphaMonkey> bob@ruptured-duck.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. The above two are the same person, to wit, me. Just trying to tidy up my email life, is all. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA AlphaMonkey> stuart.robinson@connect-2.co.uk has been successfully subscribed AlphaMonkey> to CrackMonkey. AlphaMonkey> ----- End forwarded message ----- AlphaMonkey> -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING AlphaMonkey> UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* AlphaMonkey> indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) AlphaMonkey> ________________________________________________________________ AlphaMonkey> CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal AlphaMonkey> attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 4 09:40:45 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 12:30:52 -0400") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > AlphaMonkey> rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us has been successfully > AlphaMonkey> subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > AlphaMonkey> bob@ruptured-duck.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > The above two are the same person, to wit, me. Just trying to tidy > up my email life, is all. Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So what's the real reason? -- "I am the stick in your brain-spokes. Happy landings!" -- Eamon de Valera From justin at soze.net Sat May 4 09:57:26 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-04 16:40 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Sean Neakums > commence Bob Bernstein quotation: > > > AlphaMonkey> rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us has been successfully > > AlphaMonkey> subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > > > AlphaMonkey> bob@ruptured-duck.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > > > The above two are the same person, to wit, me. Just trying to tidy > > up my email life, is all. > > Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So > what's the real reason? Give him a break; he's trying. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat May 4 10:01:03 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020504170103.GS19321@zork.net> begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > Give him a break; he's trying. Ah yes, here we see plonkmeister number two attempting to extract a little sympathy for those less fortunate than himself. You so don't belong here it's not even funny. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Sat May 4 10:12:31 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020504170103.GS19321@zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504170103.GS19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020504171231.GJ7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-04 17:01 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > > Give him a break; he's trying. > > Ah yes, here we see plonkmeister number two attempting to > extract a little sympathy for those less fortunate than himself. You > so don't belong here it's not even funny. Yeah well I tried just plain !CrackMonkey for a while and they kicked me out. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From henrik at enberg.org Sat May 4 10:12:39 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Little Old Lady At The Door In-Reply-To: <6ud6wcvx22.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 14:53:41 +0100") References: <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> <87k7qksi4k.fsf@enberg.org> <6ud6wcvx22.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <873cx7rg54.fsf@enberg.org> Sean Neakums writes: > Clearly Microsoft's lawyers have a sense of humour. For example, > isn't that "you can't install anything but Windows on your PC" thing > just the biggest troll ever? It must be a laugh a minute over there > at Microsoft Legal. I wonder if they're hiring. I'm not so sure they're trolling. They are lawyers, it is merely the way of their people. Just ask Mr. Pawlo. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she uses Old Spice for cooking. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 10:24:01 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Sean Neakums of "Sat, 04 May 2002 17:40:45 BST." <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "Irish guy" == Sean Neakums wrote: Irish guy> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So Irish guy> what's the real reason? It's not my fault; I'm not responsible. I was told to use exmh and I can't get used to the sucky editor so it's not my fault. Don't blame me. I'm a product of my surroundings. Hell, I'm probably even a victim! -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mikael at pawlo.com Sat May 4 10:31:30 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:48 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Little Old Lady At The Door In-Reply-To: <873cx7rg54.fsf@enberg.org> References: <6ud6wcvx22.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 14:53:41 +0100") <20020504025632.GA28401@symonds.net> <87k7qksi4k.fsf@enberg.org> <6ud6wcvx22.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: At 19.12 +0200 02-05-04, Henrik Enberg wrote: >> Clearly Microsoft's lawyers have a sense of humour. For example, >> isn't that "you can't install anything but Windows on your PC" thing >> just the biggest troll ever? It must be a laugh a minute over there >> at Microsoft Legal. I wonder if they're hiring. >I'm not so sure they're trolling. They are lawyers, it is merely the >way of their people. Just ask Mr. Pawlo. Trolling is my trade. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 4 11:00:41 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Sat, 4 May 2002 16:57:26 +0000") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > commence quote 2002-05-04 16:40 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > by Sean Neakums >> commence Bob Bernstein quotation: >> > The above two are the same person, to wit, me. Just trying to tidy >> > up my email life, is all. >> >> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So >> what's the real reason? > > Give him a break; he's trying. And as we all know, trying is the first step towards failure. Just look at you. -- Dude, where's my ring? tee hee From mikael at pawlo.com Sat May 4 11:10:16 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: At 16.57 +0000 02-05-04, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: >> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So >> what's the real reason? >Give him a break; he's trying. Good things come to those who already have them. Your effort is useless. Do yourself a favour and unsubscribe before your nose is browner than the B&J chocolate-chip icecream. M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 11:25:55 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Sean Neakums of "Sat, 04 May 2002 19:00:41 BST." <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "Irish guy" == Sean Neakums wrote: +> Give him a break; he's trying. Irish guy> And as we all know, trying is the first step towards failure. Irish guy> Just look at you. And, just look at me leaving him to twist in the wind on his self-erected gibbet. No misplaced milk of human kindness here. Not even a 'thank you!' I know better. Around here at least. Less is more. Why, I saw the best minds of my generation blah blah blah. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From smcmahon at eiv.com Sat May 4 11:33:28 2002 From: smcmahon at eiv.com (Shawn McMahon) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > No, seriously. Just fuck off. You're probably about the most > killfilled dork on here, with the possible exception of that Justin > Soze fux0r. You mean, you don't like me? Oh, my god; how can I go on with life? GTFOYL. - -- Join the Sergio Brandano Fan Club: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/1999/debian-user-199910/msg00981.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjzUKXcACgkQEcl9bQ0RMt3ZBACfa96+tqXvnLGqDP3jzaqotbVD sZAAn27x1sixywmAF/yPkCFfapyDkMfj =OmyZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nick at zork.net Sat May 4 11:36:00 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "We have archives of every message on this list, but not one 'Linux Rules!' bathroom scrawl!" Message-ID: <20020504183600.GT19321@zork.net> http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old§ion=current&issue=2002-05-04&id=1826 > Scholars fear, however, that without the necessary support damp may > ruin the many unexcavated scrolls, and the last opportunity to find > the missing plays of Aeschylus and Euripides, the histories of Livy > or writings of Aristotle may soon be gone for ever. However, while > attention is focused on Italy, texts of perhaps equal importance are > being lost daily here in Oxford through the negligence of authority: > the toilet graffiti of the Bodleian Library. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat May 4 11:37:06 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> Message-ID: <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > No, seriously. Just fuck off. You're probably about the most > > killfilled dork on here, with the possible exception of that Justin > > Soze fux0r. > > You mean, you don't like me? > > Oh, my god; how can I go on with life? > > GTFOYL. It's an objective rating, buddy. You're easily the second-most killfiled on this list. YOu're like the Faddah of Crackmonkey. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mdillon at standmed.com Sat May 4 11:56:22 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Why, I saw the best minds of my generation blah blah blah. What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up their brains and imagination? Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans and unobtainable dollars! Chil- dren screaming under the stairways! Boys sobbing in armies! Old men weeping in the parks! Moloch! Moloch! Nightmare of Moloch! Moloch the loveless! Mental Mo- loch! Moloch the heavy judger of men! Moloch the incomprehensible prison! Moloch the crossbone soulless jail- house and Congress of sorrows! Moloch whose buildings are judg- ment! Moloch the vast stone of war! Moloch the stunned govern- ments! Moloch whose mind is pure machinery! Moloch whose blood is running money! Moloch whose fingers are ten armies! Moloch whose breast is a cannibal dynamo! Moloch whose ear is a smoking tomb! Moloch whose eyes are a thousand blind windows! Moloch whose skyscrap- ers stand in the long streets like endless Jehovahs! Moloch whose factories dream and croak in the fog! Moloch whose smokestacks and antennae crown the cities! Moloch whose love is endless oil and stone! Moloch whose soul is electricity and banks! Moloch whose poverty is the specter of genius! Moloch whose fate is a cloud of sexless hydrogen! Moloch whose name is the Mind! Moloch in whom I sit lonely! Moloch in whom I dream Angels! Crazy in Moloch! Cocksucker in Moloch! Lacklove and manless in Moloch! Moloch who entered my soul early! Moloch in whom I am a consciousness without a body! Moloch who frightened me out of my natural ec- stasy! Moloch whom I abandon! Wake up in Moloch! Light stream- ing out of the sky! Moloch! Moloch! Robot apartments! invisible suburbs! skeleton treasuries! ## ## ####### ## ####### ###### ## ## ### ### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #### #### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ######### ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ####### ######## ####### ###### ## ## From henrik at enberg.org Sat May 4 11:54:35 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Diagram this Message-ID: <87elgr3fro.fsf@enberg.org> -- Yo mama's so fat, she's taller lying down. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat May 4 12:01:04 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Chancellor of the Republic (justin@soze.net): > Give him a break; he's trying. Not hardly. In any level contest, I'm an order of magnitude more trying than Bob is. -- Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" Rick Moen -- Steven Wright rick@linuxmafia.com From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 12:32:49 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Rick Moen of "Sat, 04 May 2002 12:01:04 PDT." <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "rick" == Rick Moen wrote: rick> Not hardly. In any level contest, I'm an order of magnitude more rick> trying than Bob is. Hmmm. Strange, there's no flurry of posts calling this last claim of yours into question... -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 12:44:09 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from "mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley" of "Sat, 04 May 2002 11:56:22 PDT." <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "md" == mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley >>>>> wrote: md> What sphinx of cement and aluminum bashed open their skulls and ate up md> their brains and imagination? Moloch! Solitude! Filth! Ugliness! Ashcans md> and unobtainable dollars! Yeah baby. Rock and roll. Hey! Remember when it was cool to be cool? When hipsters would blow in from the Coast with Charles Lloyd's latest and a whole lot of really good weed? Just imagine: carrying an LP all the way across the country because you knew we needed to hear it out here? Who does that anymore? (Like that burn-out character in _The Connection_ who travels with a portable record player and Bird records.) -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From justin at soze.net Sat May 4 12:56:12 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Diagram this In-Reply-To: <87elgr3fro.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87elgr3fro.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020504195612.GK7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-04 18:54 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Henrik Enberg > More like http://www.soze.net/~justin/misc/bullshit.png -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sat May 4 21:05:10 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020505040510.GG1046@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > It's an objective rating, buddy. You're easily the > second-most killfiled on this list. YOu're like the Faddah of > Crackmonkey. [Cue Alan Sherman's "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh"] - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE81K91jLHcIq3dHxYRAlAgAKCCxASMKayP4v+RIq2lxe06x/YEFACgmak+ RvUcA0RxShrQVjK7lBkM+O0= =JPu/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 4 13:31:39 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020505040510.GG1046@8ball.wox.org> ("Brian D. Hicks"'s message of "Sat, 4 May 2002 23:05:10 -0500") References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> <20020505040510.GG1046@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <6uvga3d590.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Brian D. Hicks quotation: > commence Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: >> It's an objective rating, buddy. You're easily the >> second-most killfiled on this list. YOu're like the Faddah of >> Crackmonkey. > > [Cue Alan Sherman's "Hello Muddah, Hello Fadduh"] An extended baseball analogy is what is really called-for here. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From mdillon at standmed.com Sat May 4 15:08:11 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <20020504220810.GA2933@eber.embody.org> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > Hey! Remember when it was cool to be cool? No. Unfortunately, I don't remember. Cool stopped being cool *long* before I was born. -md From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 4 15:39:49 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from "mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley" of "Sat, 04 May 2002 15:08:11 PDT." <20020504220810.GA2933@eber.embody.org> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <20020504220810.GA2933@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "md" == mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley >>>>> wrote: md> No. Unfortunately, I don't remember. Cool stopped being cool *long* md> before I was born. Color me old. Charles Lloyd's first album as session leader, "Discovery," on Columbia, came out in the first half of the Sixties. Sic transit gloria mundi. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From justin at soze.net Sat May 4 17:04:17 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020505000417.GL7179@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-04 18:10 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mikael Pawlo > At 16.57 +0000 02-05-04, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: > >> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So > >> what's the real reason? > >Give him a break; he's trying. > > Good things come to those who already have them. Your effort is useless. Do > yourself a favour and unsubscribe before your nose is browner than the B&J > chocolate-chip icecream. Do you think you could manage to list-reply in the future? I realize being a law-yer it might be difficult to do something reasonable, but any attempt would be appreciated. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From rick at linuxmafia.com Sat May 4 19:07:53 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020505020753.GB13000@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bob Bernstein (rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us): > Hmmm. Strange, there's no flurry of posts calling this last claim of > yours into question... It's nice to have an unquestioned area of excellence, isn't it? -- Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" Rick Moen -- Steven Wright rick@linuxmafia.com From erin at dasbistro.com Sat May 4 20:17:03 2002 From: erin at dasbistro.com (Erin Quinlan) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <20020502210213.GR29240@dasbistro.com> References: <87znzq5pyd.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> <20020502202925.GA28493@zork.net> <20020502210213.GR29240@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020505031702.GA14241@dasbistro.com> On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:02:13PM -0700, Sam Phillips wrote: > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:29:25PM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > > begin Sam Phillips quotation: > > > On Thu, May 02, 2002 at 09:00:55AM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > > > > You know, I heard about this guy that shot John Klima in the ass > > > > with an arrow. > > > > > > Can he run 45 miles per hour? > > > > No, but Space Zorro can. > > > > But only after he jumps through the rift in time that takes him to 18th > century Mexico. > Then he climbs out of his space capsule and sees the injustice and becomes Zorro, fighting bad guys every saturday morning. Maybe there was a robot horse, I'm not sure. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat May 4 20:22:55 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Seeking French Collaborators In-Reply-To: <20020505031702.GA14241@dasbistro.com> References: <87znzm2mdv.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020203136.29523.51.camel@tduffy-lnx.afara.com> <87wuuma6a0.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020502195342.GQ29240@dasbistro.com> <20020502202925.GA28493@zork.net> <20020502210213.GR29240@dasbistro.com> <20020505031702.GA14241@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <20020505032255.GB19321@zork.net> begin Erin Quinlan quotation: > > > No, but Space Zorro can. > > > > But only after he jumps through the rift in time that takes him to > > 18th century Mexico. > > Then he climbs out of his space capsule and sees the injustice > and becomes Zorro, fighting bad guys every saturday morning. > > Maybe there was a robot horse, I'm not sure. Maybe he lived on Zorro Space Station: http://www.zorrofx.com/spacestn.htm -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat May 4 21:57:28 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 13:24:01 EDT." References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 04 May 2002 13:24:01 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > It's not my fault; I'm not responsible. I was told to use exmh and I can't get > used to the sucky editor so it's not my fault. Don't blame me. I'm a product So use your own damned editor. It's under "preferences", a nice selection for "alternate editor". I think there's even an example of how to make it use 'vi' if you don't like the Emacs-ish bindings in 'sedit'. And if you like sedit but don't like the bindings, there's ways to change all of those too... There, you got no excuse now. ;) From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sat May 4 22:04:03 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 15:44:09 EDT." References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 04 May 2002 15:44:09 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > Just imagine: carrying an LP all the way across the country because you knew > we needed to hear it out here? Who does that anymore? (Like that burn-out > character in _The Connection_ who travels with a portable record player and > Bird records.) MP3. e-mail. From carton at Ivy.NET Sat May 4 21:10:57 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> (Shawn McMahon's message of "Sat, 4 May 2002 14:33:28 -0400") References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> Message-ID: Merde ? Mc Mahon. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat May 4 22:10:37 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020505051037.GF19321@zork.net> begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > > Just imagine: carrying an LP all the way across the country > > because you knew we needed to hear it out here? Who does that > > anymore? (Like that burn-out character in _The Connection_ who > > travels with a portable record player and Bird records.) > > MP3. e-mail. Oh we've got a live one here. Yeah, I bet Ol' Bob NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT ONE. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun May 5 00:10:10 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF HANK'S ASS Message-ID: <20020505071010.GH19321@zork.net> http://www.wunderland.com/WTS/Ginohn/cetera/hankisms.html > Scientology - You will be just like Hank once you learn how to kiss > your own ass (for a small fee, we can show you how to do this), and > then you can give yourself a million dollars. If you make fun of us > while we're kissing our asses, we might kick the shit out of you or > sue you for having fun at our expense. Hey! Block justified paragraph! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Sun May 5 00:52:21 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> References: <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020505075221.GW29240@dasbistro.com> On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 11:37:06AM -0700, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco wrote: > begin Shawn McMahon quotation: > > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > > No, seriously. Just fuck off. You're probably about the most > > > killfilled dork on here, with the possible exception of that Justin > > > Soze fux0r. > > > > You mean, you don't like me? > > > > Oh, my god; how can I go on with life? > > > > GTFOYL. > > It's an objective rating, buddy. You're easily the > second-most killfiled on this list. YOu're like the Faddah of > Crackmonkey. > He probably doesn't smell as bad as Faddah. -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From justin at soze.net Sun May 5 09:42:05 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020505164205.GA836@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-05 13:54 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mikael Pawlo > At 00.04 +0000 02-05-05, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: > >> >> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So > >> >> what's the real reason? > >> >Give him a break; he's trying. > >> Good things come to those who already have them. Your effort is useless. Do > >> yourself a favour and unsubscribe before your nose is browner than the B&J > >> chocolate-chip icecream. > >Do you think you could manage to list-reply in the future? I realize > >being a law-yer it might be difficult to do something reasonable, but > >any attempt would be appreciated. > > You're still around, aren't you? Your message has not been delivered. As part of my mail filtering system, mail from lawyers is not delivered. Please change professions and resend. From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 5 09:54:53 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020505164205.GA836@dreams.soze.net> References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: At 16.42 +0000 02-05-05, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: >> You're still around, aren't you? >Your message has not been delivered. As part of my mail filtering >system, mail from lawyers is not delivered. Please change >professions and resend. Okay - that was actually quite funny. So - Rick - when did you hack the Chancellor's email account? Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From carton at Ivy.NET Sun May 5 10:19:27 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Sun, 05 May 2002 01:04:03 -0400") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> "vk" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: vk> MP3. e-mail. magtape. DHL. -- Sayeeda, a friend of hers, had been caught by a mob. . . . her stomach had been ripped open and stuffed with burning rags [and] after she died, someone carved `OM' on her forehead. Precisely which Hindu scripture preaches this? -- Arundhati Roy From carton at Ivy.NET Sun May 5 10:16:45 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020505000417.GL7179@dreams.soze.net> (Chancellor of the Republic's message of "Sun, 5 May 2002 00:04:17 +0000") References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <20020505000417.GL7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020501053717.GA26469@dasbistro.com> <20020501212340.GA1046@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "cotr" == Chancellor of the Republic writes: cotr> Do you think you could manage to list- Shut up, Justin. When we tell people to use list-reply, it's usually because they suck, sort of like you suck. Your post is out-of-order. Are you even looking at the From: header? Do you actually know the people on this list, or are you just pidgeonpecking Followup and aping the posts of others? You should have paid more attention to Brian who said ``everyone on this list is the same person.'' He was talking about the mistakes of clueless trolls like you. Get your shit together, fool. And back off with that itchy twitching beak of yours. The True Crackmonkey would go one better than Knowing The Poster. You are also supposed to Know The MUA---you should have noticed that Bob was not using his usual mailer. If you followup, you must incorporate this fact into your _ad hominem_ attack. And you should know enough about exmh/nmh to craft an appropriate insult. Inspect the archives of the Monkeymaster's work in this area, and you will see what I mean. I bet exmh doesn't even have a button labeled ``list-reply.'' Do you know? I don't---I only know nmh, not that Tcl/Tk ``GUI shell'' or whatever. But I didn't post, and you did. Until you get a clue, you really need to fucking shut up, you worthless chattering Musang-dropping. -- Looking at the tensions and confusion, caused by viruses and trolls, one wouldn't say that the Internet is such a safe place. From sneakums at zork.net Sun May 5 11:14:33 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "05 May 2002 13:19:27 -0400") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <6uk7qifomu.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Miles Nordin quotation: >>>>>> "vk" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: > > vk> MP3. e-mail. > > magtape. DHL. Wax cylinder. Pony Express. -- "Ah, the SCSL. The 'All your changes are belong to Sun' license". -- Eamon de Valera From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 5 12:41:31 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Belarussian dictator mandates beauty contests In-Reply-To: <20020505075221.GW29240@dasbistro.com> References: <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> <20020502170103.GE694@zork.net> <200205021503.09660.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020502192844.GB23852@zork.net> <20020502203411.GA1657@kitenet.net> <20020502205221.GA13339@eiv.com> <20020502211407.GA7409@zork.net> <20020503185432.GC18388@eiv.com> <20020503203315.GK19321@zork.net> <20020504183328.GB11932@eiv.com> <20020504183706.GU19321@zork.net> Message-ID: At 00.52 -0700 02-05-05, Sam Phillips wrote: >> It's an objective rating, buddy. You're easily the >> second-most killfiled on this list. YOu're like the Faddah of >> Crackmonkey. >He probably doesn't smell as bad as Faddah. Shouldn't that be GNU/Faddah? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 5 13:11:24 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software Message-ID: What would the computer market look like if the developers would be held accountable for bugs and errors in the same way car manufacturers are? Microsoft would file for chapter 11 after a few fatal computer crashes. But it would also affect open source development. Would you contribute to Gnome if you risked liability for bugs? Even if the development model described by Eric S Raymond in the Cathedral and the bazaar may be safer than a closed model, it is far from foolproof. A lemon law for software is discussed in an Economist article. It is very nice GNU/food for thought: http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1020715 "A panel of experts at the National Academy of Sciences in Washington, DC, wants legislation introduced to end the software industry's special exemption from product-liability suits. But, if anything, American lawmakers seem bent on giving the software industry even more protection." Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun May 5 21:32:31 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Sat, 04 May 2002 15:44:09 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > > Just imagine: carrying an LP all the way across the country because you knew > > we needed to hear it out here? Who does that anymore? (Like that burn-out > > character in _The Connection_ who travels with a portable record player and > > Bird records.) > > MP3. e-mail. MP3? E-mail? We're talking about bringing the music to the MASSES here, not stuck-up techno-elite snobs. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE81gdejLHcIq3dHxYRAqiUAKCXpJjOp51VZ6A1jhlueeksG5NI1ACgo6Pb dinbFVnouj2RdCdQDL0kzTo= =WRDu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneakums at zork.net Sun May 5 13:45:21 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> ("Brian D. Hicks"'s message of "Sun, 5 May 2002 23:32:31 -0500") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <6upu0ae332.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Brian D. Hicks quotation: > commence Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: >> On Sat, 04 May 2002 15:44:09 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: >> > Just imagine: carrying an LP all the way across the country >> > because you knew we needed to hear it out here? Who does that >> > anymore? (Like that burn-out character in _The Connection_ who >> > travels with a portable record player and Bird records.) >> >> MP3. e-mail. > > MP3? E-mail? We're talking about bringing the music to the MASSES > here, not stuck-up techno-elite snobs. Cassettes it is then. I know plenty of people who do not have CD players, nor CDs to play in them. Let's start dropping XY003 Live cassettes in people's mailboxes. -- "Nuclear weapons will wipe out all life on Earth, if used properly." -- Eamon de Valera From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun May 5 13:45:16 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Sun, 05 May 2002 00:57:28 EDT." <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sun, 5 May 2002, "vk" == Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: vk> So use your own damned editor. It's under "preferences", a nice vk> selection for "alternate editor". I know, I know; I have xjed set up for the alternate, for fussy formatting jobs. But I persist with sedit cuz I like the faux super-cite thingie! vk> There, you got no excuse now. ;) Oh, I'll come up with something equally lame as 'exmh's sucky editor' when I next need to weasel out of something.... -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sun May 5 13:53:22 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco of "Sat, 04 May 2002 22:10:37 PDT." <20020505051037.GF19321@zork.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020505051037.GF19321@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 4 May 2002, "Big Brother" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of >>>>> San Francisco wrote: +> MP3. e-mail. Big Brother> Oh we've got a live one here. Yeah, I bet Ol' Bob NEVER THOUGHT Big Brother> OF THAT ONE. No, because those media don't have the heft, the physicality, of a vinyl LP, or a clunky portable record player circa late '50's. It is that concrete physicality, and the Sartrean nausea thereby evoked, that is so _striking_ in the image of a couple of drug dealers carrying the album on their persons all the way from California to Cambridge along with a few pounds of primo gange. Striking indeed, to my way of thinking, but then I suppose one had to be there. I met these guys on Banks St., off of Mt. Auburn, just outside the Square, almost at Mass. Ave. Why, I saw the best minds of my generation blah blah blah... -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA Big Brother> -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING Big Brother> UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* Big Brother> indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) Big Brother> ________________________________________________________________ Big Brother> CrackMonkey: Non-sequitur arguments and ad-hominem personal Big Brother> attacks http://crackmonkey.org/mailman/listinfo/crackmonkey From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Sun May 5 14:04:10 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 05 May 2002 23:32:31 CDT." <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <200205052104.g45L4AQn026881@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Sun, 05 May 2002 23:32:31 CDT, "Brian D. Hicks" said: > MP3? E-mail? We're talking about bringing the music to the MASSES > here, not stuck-up techno-elite snobs. Wanna clue in the MPAA and RIAA about that? From henrik at enberg.org Sun May 5 15:10:44 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sun, 05 May 2002 16:45:16 -0400") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> Bob Bernstein writes: >>>>>> On Sun, 5 May 2002, "vk" == Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: > > vk> So use your own damned editor. It's under "preferences", a nice > vk> selection for "alternate editor". > > I know, I know; I have xjed set up for the alternate, for fussy formatting > jobs. But I persist with sedit cuz I like the faux super-cite thingie! Read the RFCs, dude. Supercite is bollocks. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she ordered her sushi well done. From sneakums at zork.net Sun May 5 15:18:26 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 00:10:44 +0200") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > Bob Bernstein writes: > >> I know, I know; I have xjed set up for the alternate, for fussy >> formatting jobs. But I persist with sedit cuz I like the faux >> super-cite thingie! > > Read the RFCs, dude. Supercite is bollocks. What, all of them? Either quote a precise reference, or shut the fuck up. -- "GET THE FUCK OFF MY STEPS!" -- Jesus Christ, ejecting the moneylenders from the temple From justin at soze.net Sun May 5 18:00:59 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Chancellor of the Republic) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-05 20:11 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mikael Pawlo > A lemon law for software is discussed in an Economist article. > > It is very nice GNU/food for thought: > http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1020715 Due to excess acidity, your message has been quarantined. Please do not reply or resend the original message. A sample will be turned over to the Director of Homeland Security. Thanks for your willingness to cooperate, but it is not needed. From dmarti at zgp.org Sun May 5 18:07:15 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6upu0ae332.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:45:21PM +0100 References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <6uznzfdc8m.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504185622.GA2667@eber.embody.org> <200205050504.g45543Qn001297@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020506043231.GB954@8ball.wox.org> <6upu0ae332.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020505180715.C21954@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:45:21PM +0100: > Cassettes it is then. I know plenty of people who do not have CD > players, nor CDs to play in them. Let's start dropping XY003 Live > cassettes in people's mailboxes. If your county road department doesn't maintain the bridges, and you have to jump 40-foot creek beds, cassette is your skip-free automotive sound format of choice. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From simm at zork.net Mon May 6 05:52:40 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software In-Reply-To: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020506125240.GA22697@zork.net> begin Chancellor of the Republic quotation: > commence quote 2002-05-05 20:11 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > by Mikael Pawlo > > > A lemon law for software is discussed in an Economist article. > > > > It is very nice GNU/food for thought: > > http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1020715 > > Due to excess acidity, your message has been quarantined. Please do > not reply or resend the original message. A sample will be turned > over to the Director of Homeland Security. Thanks for your > willingness to cooperate, but it is not needed. > > As with almost all messages from this twit, I'm left wondering, "Is this supposed to be funny?" In all honesty, "Justin", your idiotic nickname, your moronic posts, and your tendancy to molest small children make you persona non grata list. At least make an attempt to get your act together. If you are not capable of doing so, please try to allocate less time on this list and more time to sewing your Darth Vader costume for new Star Wars film you've been dying to see. I know at this point you are really tempted to respond with something you think is really clever, possibly a link to goatan.us or something. I suggest you reconsider. -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From justin at soze.net Mon May 6 07:37:41 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software In-Reply-To: <20020506125240.GA22697@zork.net> References: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> <20020506125240.GA22697@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020506143741.GA13829@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-06 12:52 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Simm Al-Aekrib > As with almost all messages from this twit, I'm left wondering, "Is > this supposed to be funny?" > > In all honesty, "Justin", your idiotic nickname, your moronic posts, > and your tendancy to molest small children make you persona non grata > list. I sincerely apologize. I've not been myself recently. I'll try to do better in the future. > ...Star Wars... I'm afraid you've been misled into believing that my "nickname" was a reflection of support for everything that is Lucas. I'd also like to point out that I have not seen Star Wars Episode 1. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From jeremym at loonix.org Mon May 6 07:51:34 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software In-Reply-To: <20020506143741.GA13829@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> <20020506125240.GA22697@zork.net> <20020506143741.GA13829@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020506145134.GA23940@pug.chroot.net> On Mon May 06, 2002 at 02:37:41PM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: >I'm afraid you've been misled into believing that my "nickname" was a >reflection of support for everything that is Lucas. I'd also like to >point out that I have not seen Star Wars Episode 1. Holy shit you're so cool. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org Bad men live that they may eat and drink, whereas good men eat and drink that they may live. -- Socrates From leklund at tastytronic.net Mon May 6 08:03:46 2002 From: leklund at tastytronic.net (Lukas Eklund) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lemon law for software In-Reply-To: <20020506143741.GA13829@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020506010059.GB836@dreams.soze.net> <20020506125240.GA22697@zork.net> <20020506143741.GA13829@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020506110346.B14505@tastytronic.net> Quoting Darth Troll: > reflection of support for everything that is Lucas. I'd also like to > point out that I have not seen Star Wars Episode 1. Liar. -- lukas | Self-Evident, adj. Evident to one's self and to nobody else. eklund | -- Ambrose Bierce +++ tastytronic.net -- SUSPICIOUS WHITEPAPERS IN THE CAT-5 CYBERSPACE! +++ From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 5 06:54:39 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020505000417.GL7179@dreams.soze.net> References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: At 00.04 +0000 02-05-05, Chancellor of the Republic wrote: >> >> Judging by your lack of quote snipping, that is not the case. So >> >> what's the real reason? >> >Give him a break; he's trying. >> Good things come to those who already have them. Your effort is useless. Do >> yourself a favour and unsubscribe before your nose is browner than the B&J >> chocolate-chip icecream. >Do you think you could manage to list-reply in the future? I realize >being a law-yer it might be difficult to do something reasonable, but >any attempt would be appreciated. You're still around, aren't you? M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From nick at zork.net Mon May 6 08:39:52 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020506153952.GN19321@zork.net> .oooooo. oooooooooo. oooooooooooo oooooo oooo d8P' `Y8b `888' `Y8b `888' `8 `888. .8' 888 888 888 888 888 `888. .8' 888 888 888oooo888' 888oooo8 `888.8' 888 888 888 `88b 888 " `888' `88b d88' 888 .88P 888 o 888 `Y8bood8P' o888bood8P' o888ooooood8 o888o ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- morbus@disobey.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Mon May 6 08:50:32 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:49 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020506153952.GN19321@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Mon, 6 May 2002 08:39:52 -0700") References: <20020506153952.GN19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <6u66211div.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > .oooooo. oooooooooo. oooooooooooo oooooo oooo > d8P' `Y8b `888' `Y8b `888' `8 `888. .8' > 888 888 888 888 888 `888. .8' > 888 888 888oooo888' 888oooo8 `888.8' > 888 888 888 `88b 888 " `888' > `88b d88' 888 .88P 888 o 888 > `Y8bood8P' o888bood8P' o888ooooood8 o888o So, despite wild media speculation to the contrary, Morbus does not have a posse. > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > morbus@disobey.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "Forfiku vin, trolo!" -- Mr. Bad From nick at zork.net Mon May 6 10:18:35 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020506171835.GR19321@zork.net> Fuqn yahoo weenies. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- sd_tina_monster@yahoo.com has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mwmiller at columbus.rr.com Mon May 6 10:44:29 2002 From: mwmiller at columbus.rr.com (mwmiller@columbus.rr.com) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <6u66211div.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <20020506153952.GN19321@zork.net> <6u66211div.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020506174429.GA7218@columbus.rr.com> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 04:50:32PM +0100, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > > .oooooo. oooooooooo. oooooooooooo oooooo oooo > > d8P' `Y8b `888' `Y8b `888' `8 `888. .8' > > 888 888 888 888 888 `888. .8' > > 888 888 888oooo888' 888oooo8 `888.8' > > 888 888 888 `88b 888 " `888' > > `88b d88' 888 .88P 888 o 888 > > `Y8bood8P' o888bood8P' o888ooooood8 o888o > So, despite wild media speculation to the contrary, Morbus does not > have a posse. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > morbus@disobey.com has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- More meme-spotting! http://www.google.com/search?as_q=%22has+a+posse%22 -- Matthew W. Miller -- mwmiller@columbus.rr.com From crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org Mon May 6 10:57:39 2002 From: crackdonkey at donkeyshow.org (#2 of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6uk7qifomu.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: > > vk> MP3. e-mail. > > magtape. DHL. > Wax cylinder. Pony Express. orange dick. driving me nuts. -- "moloch" -- Ben Franklin From claviola at alternex.com.br Mon May 6 12:55:23 2002 From: claviola at alternex.com.br (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] 85D 0w|\|z U f00\/\/|_z In-Reply-To: <87r8kw559g.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87helu41xz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020429223522.GC15455@laviola.org> <20020429214530.A19681@sakima.ivy.net> <87r8kw559g.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020506195523.GC6488@alternex.com.br> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 07:09:31AM -0700, Mr. Bad wrote: > >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: > > >> Like Microsoft Word. > > MN> porku lim, trolo. > > Kion FIKE tiu supoze signifus? I'm not sure, but I guess the phrase above means "What the fuck do you mean?". Just guessing. -- Carlos Laviola AlterNex S/A - (21) 2515-0500 From crack at phreedom.net Mon May 6 15:14:50 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6uk7qifomu.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Miles Nordin quotation: > > >>>>>> "vk" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: > > > > vk> MP3. e-mail. > > > > magtape. DHL. > > Wax cylinder. Pony Express. Fuck the pony express, don't you know that's how people send pot over FedEx these days? -davidu From sneakums at zork.net Mon May 6 15:23:39 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (David Ulevitch's message of "Mon, 6 May 2002 15:14:50 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence David Ulevitch quotation: > On Sun, 5 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: >> commence Miles Nordin quotation: >> >>>>>> "vk" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: >> > vk> MP3. e-mail. >> > >> > magtape. DHL. >> >> Wax cylinder. Pony Express. > > Fuck the pony express, don't you know that's how people send pot over > FedEx these days? Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. -- $ sudo apt-get install mail-followup-to The following extra packages will be installed: rough-consensus running-code 0 packages upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. From douglist at anize.org Mon May 6 15:50:33 2002 From: douglist at anize.org (Douglas F. Calvert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? Message-ID: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Greetings, If there was ever a place to start a flamewar about free speech and source code this would be the place. I just got done writing a paper on the DMCA and free speech issues. I feel that source code can easily be veiwed as free speech because it can express meaning to a large amount of users. I am not going to preach to the choir so i will stop here. However if i rattled off the byte code to a program very few people in the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do you guys think about the legality of compiled code and the first ammendment? -- + Douglas Calvert http://anize.org/dfc + | Key Id 0xC9541FB2 http://anize.org/dfc-keys.asc | | http://imissjerry.org http://whoownsthisidea.org | +-| 0817 30D4 82B6 BB8D 5E66 06F6 B796 073D C954 1FB2 |-+ From sneakums at zork.net Mon May 6 15:55:08 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> ("Douglas F. Calvert"'s message of "06 May 2002 18:50:33 -0400") References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Douglas F. Calvert quotation: > However if i rattled off the byte code to a program very few people > in the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do > you guys think about the legality of compiled code and the first > ammendment? Is a document I write still speech when it's supplied to you as a DVI file? -- "Forfiku vin, trolo!" -- Mr. Bad From douglist at anize.org Mon May 6 16:17:34 2002 From: douglist at anize.org (Douglas F. Calvert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 18:55, Sean Neakums wrote: > commence Douglas F. Calvert quotation: > > > However if i rattled off the byte code to a program very few people > > in the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do > > you guys think about the legality of compiled code and the first > > ammendment? > > Is a document I write still speech when it's supplied to you as a DVI > file? > Yes a wordprocessing programs are binary and they also express ideas. But this is because these ideas are found in the text that is described in a binary format. Can you read byte code just as easy as you can read a word processed document? I am not trying to be silly i am seriously interested in if there is a difference in the levels of expresssiveness. Maybe a differeintiation based on expressiveness would easily allow source code to be distributed but not binary files. I had trouble applying the same defense to byte code that is/should be applied to source code. It seems the functional argument that has been applied to source code is failing to prove that some functional component destroys all expressive protections. The O'Brien test states that the restriction on expression should not be greater than needed. A restriction on source code seems like a large restriction on expression but a restriction on compiled code does not seem to restrict expression as much. -- + Douglas Calvert http://anize.org/dfc + | Key Id 0xC9541FB2 http://anize.org/dfc-keys.asc | | http://imissjerry.org http://whoownsthisidea.org | +-| 0817 30D4 82B6 BB8D 5E66 06F6 B796 073D C954 1FB2 |-+ From svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca Mon May 6 16:36:05 2002 From: svanegmond at tinyplanet.ca (Stephen van Egmond) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020506233605.GA2180@tinyplanet.ca> Douglas F. Calvert (douglist@anize.org) wrote: > the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do you guys > think about the legality of compiled code and the first ammendment? Sorry, we don't have one of those in Canadia. Come again? And again? Personally, I wonder about the legality of writing law essays when you're not a lawyer. Don't they have a goon squad for that? From dmarti at zgp.org Mon May 6 16:43:16 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil>; from douglist@anize.org on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:17:34PM -0400 References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020506164316.E17332@zgp.org> begin Douglas F. Calvert quotation of Mon, May 06, 2002 at 07:17:34PM -0400: > The O'Brien test states that the restriction > on expression should not be greater than needed. A restriction on source > code seems like a large restriction on expression but a restriction on > compiled code does not seem to restrict expression as much. If you include a license that forbids reading it, is it speech? http://www.law.berkeley.edu/journals/btlj/articles/15_2/tien/tien.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From justin at soze.net Mon May 6 17:50:45 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-06 23:17 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Douglas F. Calvert > > Is a document I write still speech when it's supplied to you as a DVI > > file? > > > Yes a wordprocessing programs are binary and they also express ideas. > But this is because these ideas are found in the text that is described > in a binary format. Can you read byte code just as easy as you can read > a word processed document? Is protected free speech no longer protected free speech when it's translated to farsi? You can't read farsi, can you? -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From douglist at anize.org Mon May 6 17:52:20 2002 From: douglist at anize.org (Douglas F. Calvert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <20020506233605.GA2180@tinyplanet.ca> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <20020506233605.GA2180@tinyplanet.ca> Message-ID: <1020732740.27153.131.camel@allevil> On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 19:36, Stephen van Egmond wrote: > Douglas F. Calvert (douglist@anize.org) wrote: > > the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do you guys > > think about the legality of compiled code and the first ammendment? > > Sorry, we don't have one of those in Canadia. Come again? And again? > > Personally, I wonder about the legality of writing law essays when > you're not a lawyer. Don't they have a goon squad for that? In america when someone writes a paper about something that we do not yet completly understand we do it in hopes of learning something, we call this education. Sometimes people even try to learn about a lot of things so that they can be informed on many topics. And get this, (you might want to sit down) in america we even have organizations designed to have people write law essays for years when they are not lawyers, we call this law school. This is where people learn about law. Do you not have education and law schools in canada? -- + Douglas Calvert http://anize.org/dfc + | Key Id 0xC9541FB2 http://anize.org/dfc-keys.asc | | http://imissjerry.org http://whoownsthisidea.org | +-| 0817 30D4 82B6 BB8D 5E66 06F6 B796 073D C954 1FB2 |-+ From henrik at enberg.org Mon May 6 17:59:24 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020732740.27153.131.camel@allevil> ("Douglas F. Calvert"'s message of "06 May 2002 20:52:20 -0400") References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <20020506233605.GA2180@tinyplanet.ca> <1020732740.27153.131.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <87helk4vtf.fsf@enberg.org> "Douglas F. Calvert" writes: > Do you not have education and law schools in canada? They settle all their disputes with log rolling contests. -- Yo mama's so poor, she has to take the trash IN. From henrik at enberg.org Mon May 6 18:01:30 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sun, 05 May 2002 23:18:26 +0100") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> Sean Neakums writes: > commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > What, all of them? Either quote a precise reference, or shut the fuck > up. Oops, seems I was thinking of son-of-1036 draft. But rest assured this little error won't cause me to shut the fuck up. -- Yo mama's so poor, the bank repossesed her cardboard box. From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon May 6 18:51:59 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Henrik Enberg of "Tue, 07 May 2002 03:01:30 +0200." <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: >>>>> On Tue, 7 May 2002, "he" == Henrik Enberg wrote: he> Oops, seems I was thinking of son-of-1036 draft. But rest assured this he> little error won't cause me to shut the fuck up. You know what they say about a little knowledge. But you should not shut up; just keep providing us with wonderful schadenfreude experiences. "Oops." Ha! "Oops." Stop it; you're killing me!!! "Oops!" How droll. "Oops!"? NO ONE SAYS "Oops" ANYMORE! ARGGH. Hell, I'm not an Oops-monger; I'm an Oops-STYLIST. Oh screw it; I got better things to do. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon May 6 18:57:36 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 21:51:59 EDT." References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 06 May 2002 21:51:59 EDT, Bob Bernstein said: > just keep providing us with wonderful schadenfreude experiences. "Oops." Ha! schadenfreude? You're a "friend of shad and other small fish"? Somehow, I'm not surprised.... From douglist at anize.org Mon May 6 19:03:54 2002 From: douglist at anize.org (Douglas F. Calvert) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil> On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 20:50, Darth Troll wrote: > commence quote 2002-05-06 23:17 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) > by Douglas F. Calvert > > > > Is a document I write still speech when it's supplied to you as a DVI > > > file? > > > > > Yes a wordprocessing programs are binary and they also express ideas. > > But this is because these ideas are found in the text that is described > > in a binary format. Can you read byte code just as easy as you can read > > a word processed document? > > Is protected free speech no longer protected free speech when it's > translated to farsi? You can't read farsi, can you? > > I apologize for even bringing this up. That might be the dumbest knee jerk idiot response i have seen on crackmonkey ever. Of course it would be protected it is a human language that is spoken and can be very expressive to a large amount of people. Are you saying that byte code is equally as expressive as farsi? Farsi is a language for humans byte code is for computer's. There is not a comparison at all. Have you read any of the breifs filed in any of the cases that relate to this? Next stupid reply? -- + Douglas Calvert http://anize.org/dfc + | Key Id 0xC9541FB2 http://anize.org/dfc-keys.asc | | http://imissjerry.org http://whoownsthisidea.org | +-| 0817 30D4 82B6 BB8D 5E66 06F6 B796 073D C954 1FB2 |-+ From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon May 6 19:14:31 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu of "Mon, 06 May 2002 21:57:36 EDT." <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 6 May 2002, "vk" == Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote: vk> schadenfreude? You're a "friend of shad and other small fish"? One of my cyber-alter-egos, which iirc I once inflicted on pigdog-l for a few short weeks, is "Eric d'Alibut," based on Monty Python's Fish License sketch: No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am not a looney! Why should I be attired with the epithet looney merely because I have a pet halibut? I've heard tell that Sir Gerald Nabardo has a pet prawn called Simon (you wouldn't call him a looney); furthermore, Dawn Pailthorpe, the lady show-jumper, had a clam, called Stafford, after the late Chancellor, Allan Bullock has two pikes, both called Chris, and Marcel Proust had an addock! So, if you're calling the author of 'A la recherche du temps perdu' a looney, I shall have to ask you to step outside! vk> Somehow, I'm not surprised.... No surprises here... -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 6 19:33:54 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> begin Bob Bernstein quotation: > One of my cyber-alter-egos, which iirc I once inflicted on pigdog-l > for a few short weeks, is "Eric d'Alibut," based on Monty Python's > Fish License sketch: Oh great. And let me guess, you parroted the sketch over and over, in a horrible flat fake English accent. Fuck, what a Rick Moen. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon May 6 19:35:26 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020507023526.GK19321@zork.net> Ha ha he was denied his Apple Mail. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- bryanf@feh.net has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 6 19:28:48 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin Message-ID: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> All right, so, I'm in need of a spamassassin rule to kill goddamn Elkern and its ilk. I know that I should just home-brew a rule that says that if there's two parts to a MIME message, AND it's multipart/alternative, AND the first part is HTML with an iframe that points to the second one, AND the second part has a MIME type that doesn't match the extension of the name, THEN I should throw it in the deepest dungeons because it's goddamned Elkern. But I'm too damn lazy and I haven't looked at Perl MIME-handling commands in a long time and just the thought of it all makes me itch. So, has anybody seen one that's already been written? Wrote one themselves (lucky you)? How about sharing the wealth*? In conclusion, Goddamn Elkern! Gar! ~Mr. Bad * Use of the word "wealth" should be outweighed by your whitelist for mr.bad@pigdog.org, right? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 6 19:45:10 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020507024510.GL19321@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > * Use of the word "wealth" should be outweighed by your whitelist for > mr.bad@pigdog.org, right? The only test you failed was PLING! Anyway, those Elkern mails end up in my losers mailbox anyway, since I filter out multipart. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon May 6 19:54:40 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Message from Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco of "Mon, 06 May 2002 19:33:54 PDT." <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 6 May 2002, "mm" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San >>>>> Francisco wrote: mm> Oh great. And let me guess, you parroted the sketch over and over, in a mm> horrible flat fake English accent. No, things hadn't progressed that far at that point in time. Besides, why waste really neat stuff on the pigdog kiddies? No one picked up on 'Eric d'Alibut,' so why put pearls before swine, literally? mm> Fuck, what a Rick Moen. Thank you! -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 6 21:28:44 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? Message-ID: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DFC" == Douglas F Calvert writes: DFC> Can you read byte code just as easy as you can read a word DFC> processed document? I am not trying to be silly i am DFC> seriously interested in if there is a difference in the DFC> levels of expresssiveness. Douglas, First off, look forward to getting flamed some more about this. If you're lucky, Seth will join in the discussion, and add something actually interesting and intelligent. Or maybe Don. Me, I'm just a Free Software firebrand with nothin' to lose, so don't take my word for anything. That said, it seems to me that there are many forms of expression that are not easily legible without some kind of "decoding device" (forgive the uncomfortable foray into DMCA world -- I couldn't really think of a better term for it), yet we don't question whether they are expressive or not. For example, the paper rolls for a player piano aren't really visibly music if you look at them, but if you put them in the piano, they make a lively tune. The scratches in a record are not really musical until you play them on a record player. The magnetic schtuff in a magnetic tape is indecipherable until you put it in a video player. Whether or not something is intelligible to the naked eye seems like a poor measure of expressiveness. If, say, cassette tapes could be censored, but sheet music -- a rough source code equivalent -- could not, well, that would suck ass. I think that you're making a logical error by thinking that the byte stream itself, as dumped through a hex editor, needs to be expressive. In fact, the program needs to be run through the appropriate device in order to be fully appreciated. Could you really say that a game like Nethack is not expressive at run time as well as at source time? As a side note, it seems to me that a rough rule of thumb might be that if something is considered a mode of expression for copyright law, it should be considered a mode of expression for First Amendment purposes, too. Compiled code can and is copyrighted. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sharkey at zoic.org Mon May 6 21:36:19 2002 From: sharkey at zoic.org (Nick 'Sharkey' Moore) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil>; from douglist@anize.org on Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:03:54PM -0400 References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020507143619.A27083@dwerryhouse.com.au> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:03:54PM -0400, Douglas F. Calvert wrote: > > I apologize for even bringing this up. That might be the dumbest knee > jerk idiot response i have seen on crackmonkey ever. Hang around longer. > Farsi is a language for humans byte code is for computer's. ... and English isn't a language for lawyers, apparently. may be a cretin, but his point was that just because _you_ can't read it doesn't mean it isn't speech. What about byte code which, when executed, generates human-readable 'speech'? Hey, this is you again: > > > > > > Yes a wordprocessing programs are binary and they also express ideas. > > > But this is because these ideas are found in the text that is described > > > in a binary format. The "a wordprocessing programs" express ideas, of a sort. You probably meant "files created by a wordprocessing program". HTH, fanboy. > Next stupid reply? Sure: "GTFOML". -----sharks From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 6 21:40:08 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <20020507024510.GL19321@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Mon, 6 May 2002 19:45:10 -0700") References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020507024510.GL19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <87u1pk1sgn.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> Anyway, those Elkern mails end up in my losers mailbox MMaPRoSF> anyway, since I filter out multipart. Yeah, but I've got a great love of most losers. It's just automated viral losers that drive me batty. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From justin at soze.net Mon May 6 22:15:28 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020507051528.GF13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-07 02:03 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Douglas F. Calvert > On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 20:50, Darth Troll wrote: > > Is protected free speech no longer protected free speech when it's > > translated to farsi? You can't read farsi, can you? > > > I apologize for even bringing this up. That might be the dumbest knee > jerk idiot response i have seen on crackmonkey ever. Of course it would > be protected it is a human language that is spoken and can be very > expressive to a large amount of people. Are you saying that byte code is > equally as expressive as farsi? Farsi is a language for humans byte code > is for computer's. There is not a comparison at all. Have you read any > of the breifs filed in any of the cases that relate to this? You obviously don't understand the concept of isomorphisms. There is no real difference between code and a description of code. I think everyone can agree that data (not bytecode) stored in a binary file is equivalent to speech. The problem is that you aren't convinced instructions are speech. Of course, there's not any real difference between a grain of sand and a document containing every known physical physical phenomenon, including nuclear physics, biochemistry, and the reason you suck. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue May 7 06:20:18 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020507132018.GD954@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Douglas F. Calvert quotation: > Greetings, > If there was ever a place to start a flamewar about free speech and > source code this would be the place. I just got done writing a paper on > the DMCA and free speech issues. I feel that source code can easily be > veiwed as free speech because it can express meaning to a large amount > of users. I am not going to preach to the choir so i will stop here. > However if i rattled off the byte code to a program very few people in > the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do you guys > think about the legality of compiled code and the first ammendment? Nice try, Doug, but you won't trick me that easily. Nobody would bother to mention that they "just got done writing a paper" on a subject if in fact they had not begun at all. Obviously you are trying to get Crackmonkey to write your paper for you. For shame, Douglas F. Calvert, for shame. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE819SQjLHcIq3dHxYRAmVXAJ4h4Q9CDlwCJgJ9nNQ1byAV2eKuHgCg3cqb wyvygkoJHtfz217H5+k2H8g= =5CKt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue May 7 01:11:37 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020507081137.GA9841@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Mr. Bad quotation: > In conclusion, Goddamn Elkern! Gar! I rarely ever get e-mail viruses. It's kinda depressing, really. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE814w2jLHcIq3dHxYRAkWWAKCJoaTFMk/jUXEFLO8KfFtn/+aWHACeOmw+ Fg3/VxiqIvNKYlglaPkbBIE= =I1Oz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mvw at wave.co.nz Tue May 7 02:57:26 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <20020507051528.GF13979@dreams.soze.net> References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> <6uwuuglwdv.fsf@zork.zork.net> <1020727054.27171.91.camel@allevil> <20020507005045.GC13979@dreams.soze.net> <1020737034.27153.137.camel@allevil> <20020507051528.GF13979@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020507095725.GA430@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:15:28AM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: > You obviously don't understand the concept of isomorphisms. There is > no real difference between code and a description of code. I think Douglas, the children, cretins and canadiians of crackmonkey are either too young or too old to remember programming examples and problems in machine code, expressed in binary, octal and hexadecimal. The use of machine code was mostly due a sense that the students should master "the basics", lest assembly language make them mentally lazy ("it was hard when I did it, it should be hard for you"). Nevertheless certain problems can be difficult to approach any other way. Examples: self-modifying code with bit-wise operations on op-codes; code that minimises or maximises the number of 'high' bits in the instruction store; code that balances the numbers of zeroes and ones tranferred from the instruction store to the execution unit as the program runs; code that can detect, survive and repair a certain rate of 'bit-flip' errors in the instruction store. Assembly is just symbolic names for groups of bits that are called op-codes, modifiers, literals, etc., depending on context, but probably even Justin can tell you that surprisingly little time with an octal or hex debugger teaches you to recognise instructions and data without resorting to a disassembler. In the bad old days, it was sometimes faster to hand assemble a short program and enter it into the debugger than to load the editor, type in the program, load and run the assembler, load and run the link editor and load the debugger. Binary is speech, it's just a little more difficult. Mark. From mvw at wave.co.nz Tue May 7 03:01:59 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020507100159.GB430@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:28:48PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: > I know that I should just home-brew a rule that says that if there's > two parts to a MIME message, AND it's multipart/alternative, AND the > first part is HTML with an iframe that points to the second one, AND > the second part has a MIME type that doesn't match the extension of > the name, THEN I should throw it in the deepest dungeons because it's That last condition alone is reason enough to disappear a message, IMO. Mark. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 07:14:12 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <20020507100159.GB430@mvw.wave.co.nz> (mvw@wave.co.nz's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 22:01:59 +1200") References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020507100159.GB430@mvw.wave.co.nz> Message-ID: <87wuug59l7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MvW" == Mark van Walraven writes: MvW> On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 10:28:48PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: >> I know that I should just home-brew a rule that says that if >> there's two parts to a MIME message, AND it's >> multipart/alternative, AND the first part is HTML with an >> iframe that points to the second one, AND the second part has a >> MIME type that doesn't match the extension of the name, THEN I >> should throw it in the deepest dungeons because it's MvW> That last condition alone is reason enough to disappear a MvW> message, IMO. Well, hell, yeah. There's a whole family of mail worms that exploit this weakness in Outlook or IE or something, so it's a good flag. Hey, so, how are things in The Neutral Zone? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue May 7 08:12:18 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] %^$!$^$%!! W32.Elkern and Kin In-Reply-To: <87wuug59l7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <878z6wofmn.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020507100159.GB430@mvw.wave.co.nz> <87wuug59l7.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020507151217.GP19321@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "MvW" == Mark van Walraven writes: [...] > Hey, so, how are things in The Neutral Zone? I hear Spock (DOW: SPOK) had a heart attack coma, but he used his clingon healing factor to come out of it. He's best loved as the captain of the Inner Prize, and reached an all-market high sometime in the seventies, when the "I am not SPock" crash hit. He since recovered after publishing "I am Spock", but reportedly he doesn't use KDE. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue May 7 10:15:19 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> References: <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > Oh great. And let me guess, you parroted the sketch over and > over, in a horrible flat fake English accent. Fuck, what a Rick Moen. There you go with that jealousy act, again. -- Cheers, "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song?" Rick Moen -- Steven Wright rick@linuxmafia.com From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue May 7 10:39:35 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> References: <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020507173935.GQ19321@zork.net> begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > There you go with that jealousy act, again. I WROTE YOU, dipshit. I don't need any more of your lip! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carton at Ivy.NET Mon May 6 14:07:26 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Sun, 5 May 2002 15:54:39 +0200") References: <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: mp> To: justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, justin@soze.net, mp> justin@soze.net It won't work---I tried already. Tell us how many copies you get, justin. -- What is playing itself out is mostly a drama of armed minorities. The masses have not entered the pciture - and may not enter the picture - in this episode. Stay tuned. -- Anthony from Bogota, Colombia From nick at zork.net Tue May 7 12:19:15 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020507191915.GX19321@zork.net> As they say in Iceland, "Sorted!" ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- pete@sorted.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From bradyn at maths.tcd.ie Tue May 7 13:04:58 2002 From: bradyn at maths.tcd.ie (Niall Brady) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 03:32:49PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > Hmmm. Strange, there's no flurry of posts calling this last claim of yours > into question... Ah no, he got killfiled recently, poor baby. Honest. -- Niall From kristian.peters at korseby.net Tue May 7 12:26:34 2002 From: kristian.peters at korseby.net (Kristian Peters) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Can't Burn CDR's On 2.4.19pre8 In-Reply-To: <20020507044708.GA31888@mail-infomine.ucr.edu> References: <20020507044708.GA31888@mail-infomine.ucr.edu> Message-ID: <20020507212634.532c7ac8.kristian.peters@korseby.net> ruschein@mail-infomine.ucr.edu (Johannes Ruscheinski) wrote: > This was at speed=1 my writer is supposed to handle up to speed=4. When I > retry I get errors after various amounts have been written. The command > I issued was "cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 -dummy -data speed=1 /home/xxxxx/backup.img" > Do I have a bad writer or is this a kernel bug? I'll gladly provide any > additional config or hardware info as requested. Try cdrecord -vv -pad -dao speed=2 -dummy dev=0,0,0 and see if it happens again. Some drives must have diskatonce. *Kristian :... [snd.science] ...: :: _o) :: http://www.korseby.net /\\ :: http://gsmp.sf.net _\_V :.........................: From dmarti at zgp.org Tue May 7 15:18:03 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Don't forget the Cheetos. Message-ID: <20020507151803.A13753@zgp.org> I can't afford to sponsor any of the people on this list, but it _is_ for a good cause... http://www.goodvibes.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?CODIV=0102&UID=2002050715133894&HTNAME=about/nmm/mathon.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Tue May 7 15:20:26 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:28:44AM -0400 References: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020507152026.B13753@zgp.org> begin Mr. Bad quotation of Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:28:44AM -0400: > As a side note, it seems to me that a rough rule of thumb might be > that if something is considered a mode of expression for copyright > law, it should be considered a mode of expression for First Amendment > purposes, too. Put that man on the Supreme Court! -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Tue May 7 15:22:05 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507173935.GQ19321@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:39:35AM -0700 References: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <20020507173935.GQ19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020507152205.C13753@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:39:35AM -0700: > begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > There you go with that jealousy act, again. > > I WROTE YOU, dipshit. I don't need any more of your lip! I commented out Lip in the config file like two years ago and it didn't do squat. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From crack at phreedom.net Tue May 7 16:03:34 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 6 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: > Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. I use qmail too. -davidu From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue May 7 16:10:13 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507152205.C13753@zgp.org> References: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <20020507173935.GQ19321@zork.net> <20020507152205.C13753@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020507231013.GE19321@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > begin Rick Moen Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > > There you go with that jealousy act, again. > > > > I WROTE YOU, dipshit. I don't need any more of your lip! > > I commented out Lip in the config file like two years ago and it > didn't do squat. It was originally a variable, but we changed it to a function a while back, so it's always bound. Remember that the config file is code as well, and it gets included before any of the FORPARSE modules. The binding doesn't check or get locked or anything, so the modules win the race. That's not the best explanation, but there's a comment in one of the example INTERCAL module files that explains it in more details. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Tue May 7 16:21:47 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020507232147.GF19321@zork.net> begin David Ulevitch quotation: > On Mon, 6 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: > > Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. > > I use qmail too. And you're a freemason or whatever. Fuck off! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Tue May 7 17:43:21 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <20020507232147.GF19321@zork.net> References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: I read an article in the Economist the other day that annoyed me enough to write and submit a short piece to Newsforge. I haven't heard from Roblimo and Grant, hence the article has not been published (and may never be!). Still, I think the thought of a lemon law for software is so bad that I am willing to risk the mocking of The Chancellor and his peers to share some thoughts with the Crackmonkey posse. Here goes, 'Lemon law with bitter taste': http://harvard.pawlo.com/newsf04.html (I will fix a new directory soon, I promise!) Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From justin at soze.net Tue May 7 18:03:35 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020508010335.GL13979@dreams.soze.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence quote 2002-05-08 00:43 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mikael Pawlo > In-Reply-To: <20020507232147.GF19321@zork.net> > References: > > <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> > > ... > Still, I think the thought of a lemon law for software is so bad that I am > willing to risk the mocking of The Chancellor and his peers to share some > thoughts with the Crackmonkey posse. > > Here goes, 'Lemon law with bitter taste': > http://harvard.pawlo.com/newsf04.html I apologize for being rude earlier. I fully support you and your hatred of lemons, and I really don't dislike lawyers in general. Please consider removing In-Reply-To: and References: headers when changing threads. If exmh won't let you, consider changing to mutt. Feel free to ignore this request; I am a worm. - -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6d (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE82HlnnH0ZJUVoUkMRAjsSAJ4hwCXUqYPEETCy+uXYwsz/nj0fNwCfXdhX XqY8tqr4PQoY0kixe09bc5E= =lq6v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue May 7 19:23:26 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:50 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507232147.GF19321@zork.net> References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020507232147.GF19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020508022326.GG23226@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > begin David Ulevitch quotation: >> On Mon, 6 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: >>> Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. >> >> I use qmail too. > > And you're a freemason or whatever. Fuck off! Tubal Cain to you, buddy. -- Cheers, Rick Moen "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font." rick@linuxmafia.com -- Psalm 0.1 beta From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Tue May 7 19:29:19 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020508022919.GB9841@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 commence Mikael Pawlo quotation: > > I read an article in the Economist the other day that annoyed me enough to > write and submit a short piece to Newsforge. I haven't heard from Roblimo > and Grant, hence the article has not been published (and may never be!). > Still, I think the thought of a lemon law for software is so bad that I am > willing to risk the mocking of The Chancellor and his peers to share some > thoughts with the Crackmonkey posse. I'd respond, but The Onion has already done it for me (read the counterpoint): http://www.theonion.com/onion3815/counterpoint_space_program.html - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82I15jLHcIq3dHxYRAhgVAJ9dGnzfnpmAdMKZVn2NWGvfheqqYACghm+H 24WGHuPJIOGd8X8SOCYct3A= =EJdG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From schoen at loyalty.org Tue May 7 19:39:58 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <20020507152026.B13753@zgp.org> References: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020507152026.B13753@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020508023958.GE1438@zork.net> Don Marti writes: > begin Mr. Bad quotation of Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:28:44AM -0400: > > > As a side note, it seems to me that a rough rule of thumb might be > > that if something is considered a mode of expression for copyright > > law, it should be considered a mode of expression for First Amendment > > purposes, too. > > Put that man on the Supreme Court! I heard something about a case in which something was found copyrightable but obscene. I can't remember any details, though. There are also easy examples in the other direction, like Feist (a non-copyrightable original work which nobody maintained was not protected by the first amendment). On the other hand, Jim Tyre says the connection between copyrightability and expression (in that particular direction) is "ineluctable": We acknowledge that no court has held expressly that a copyrightable original work of authorship must, necessarily, be entitled to full First Amendment protection, including strict judicial scrutiny, but the conclusion is ineluctable. In a note, he says that Judge Patel found the argument appealing: 10. Bernstein v. Dep't of State, 922 F.Supp. 1426 (N.D.CA 1996) ("Bernstein I") was decided on pure First Amendment grounds, but after discussing the nuances of copyright and the First Amendment at some length, the court stated "[c]opyright protection, designed to protect original expression, 17 U.S.C. 102(a), supports the likeness of a computer program to speech as defined by First Amendment law." Id. at 1436. Brief of Abelson et al. as Amici Curiae. http://www.2600.com/dvd/docs/2001/0126-speech.html -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From crack at phreedom.net Tue May 7 20:51:20 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020508022326.GG23226@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 May 2002, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco (monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org): > > > begin David Ulevitch quotation: > >> On Mon, 6 May 2002, Sean Neakums wrote: > >>> Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. > >> > >> I use qmail too. > > > > And you're a freemason or whatever. Fuck off! > > Tubal Cain to you, buddy. // {{{ Scary protestant voice "Burn Him" // }}} -davidu From nick at zork.net Tue May 7 21:07:57 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020508040756.GG19321@zork.net> Aren't you those palm pilot wanx0rz? I used to get mail about ever month from someone asking me if I wrote the drunkenmonkey pilot app. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- erik@drunkmonkey.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 16:07:29 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] "gar" and "ing" no longer in the Younger Futharc Message-ID: <87it5zr1zi.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Gar gar gar Ogam Wheel gar gar!!!!1!1! ~Mr. Bad ---8<--- From: Tom Peters Subject: Runes on the Ogam wheel To: CALNDR-L@ECUMAIL7.ECU.EDU Somewhat off-topic, but when looking into runes and comparing those used on the Ogam wheel, I noticed the following: The Ogam wheel supposedly uses the Younger Futharc to count days, and also 13 consonants from Celtic/Germanic runes to name the 4-week periods. Now among these 13 runes, "gar" and "ing" were no longer in the Younger Futharc if I read my sources well. Their names seem to come from the Old English runes; but the symbol used on the Ogam wheel for "gar" rather was used in the Elder Futharc (for "jera", consonant value 'J'), while Old English "gear" was written with a rune resembling the Greek capital "Phi" and had consonant value 'G'. Indeed, "ing" is not among the 16 day runes; but "gar" is. The Younger Futharc had a rune "ar" which seems to replace "jera" and has a vowel value "ae"or "a", and written with a symbol that is the mirror image of "naud" ('N'). This rune is not among the 4 vowels that are listed with the Ogam wheel; instead, "jera"/"gar" is used there. Finally, "yr" is from the Younger Futharc and not the Elder, but seems to have represented an 'R' rather than the vowel 'Y'. So even when considering that there was much variation and little consistency among runic inscription geographically and across the ages, I have the impression that the Ogam wheel mixes Elder, English, and Younger runes. http://www22.brinkster.com/oddslibrary/nordic/ (more on-topic, see the scans of the "Computus Runicus" linked on that page). http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U16A0.pdf ---8<--- -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 20:37:47 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Conspiracy Theory In-Reply-To: <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> (Rick Moen's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 10:15:19 -0700") References: <200205050457.g454vSQn001171@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <87vg9zpawk.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: RM> "Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because RM> of that song?" -- Steven Wright So, I think the Saoirse-Moen household just ordered the new book, "1001 Steven Wright One-liners," from Amazon dot com. Suspicious .sig collisions abound. ~Mr. Bad P.S. If I misspelled Deirdre's last name, I'M SORRY. It sucks to have a hard-to-spell last name. I don't know how many times I've received mail for "Mr. Bid" or "Mr. Badd" or whatever. P.P.S. Also, I'm drunk and THE HABS WON. It's the crucial THIRD GAME of the semi-finals series, and they sunk a miracle bu:t on a face-off in overtime. Beaujolais les Habs! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 20:38:40 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507231013.GE19321@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 16:10:13 -0700") References: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <20020507173935.GQ19321@zork.net> <20020507152205.C13753@zgp.org> <20020507231013.GE19321@zork.net> Message-ID: <87r8knpav3.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> It was originally a variable, but we changed it to a MMaPRoSF> function a while back, so it's always bound. Remember MMaPRoSF> that the config file is code as well, and it gets MMaPRoSF> included before any of the FORPARSE modules. The MMaPRoSF> binding doesn't check or get locked or anything, so the MMaPRoSF> modules win the race. MMaPRoSF> That's not the best explanation, but there's a comment MMaPRoSF> in one of the example INTERCAL module files that MMaPRoSF> explains it in more details. U R DUM ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 20:46:00 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: (David Ulevitch's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 16:03:34 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87n0vbpaiv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DU" == David Ulevitch writes: >> Oh look, it's the PINEmaster. Fuck off. DU> I use qmail too. Qmail and PINE users are the first ones up against the wall when the Revolution comes. Hell -- the Windurs people, we'll send them to re-education camps. They didn't KNOW better. But you freaks! You! You have freedom RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, and you let Dan Bernstein take it away from you for 30 pieces of silver and non-standard FTP listings. You're incorrigeable. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 20:55:38 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 02:43:21 +0200") References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> Here goes, 'Lemon law with bitter taste': MP> http://harvard.pawlo.com/newsf04.html MP> (I will fix a new directory soon, I promise!) A point: we usually, in English, consider lemons to be sour, not bitter. That said, I liked your article. I think you pointed out very succinctly that software plays a dual role -- both as information and as virtual appliance. It shares some of the characteristics of both, and thus has different standards of liability. Someone may get very mad if a blender chops off the ends of their fingers, but not as mad if they don't like the ending of a Tom Clancy novel. Which is the appropriate model for software? Anyways, w/r/t Free Software, it seems that a number of projects are tending towards organizational, non-profit ownership and direction of code, rather than individual or collective ownership. For example, the FSF, the Freenet Fundation, k.t.p. I wonder, if you could maybe go off a bit on how a non-profit's or even an individual's provision of charitable services can be subject to liability. If I give a homeless guy a blanket, and it has a stain on it, can he sue me? If the Salvation Army's soup is flavorless and fattening, is it liable? What are the provisions for liability of charitable donations? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 20:57:22 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Don't forget the Cheetos. In-Reply-To: <20020507151803.A13753@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 15:18:03 -0700") References: <20020507151803.A13753@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87elgnp9zx.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DM" == Don Marti writes: DM> I can't afford to sponsor any of the people on this list, but DM> it _is_ for a good cause... DM> http://www.goodvibes.com/cgi-bin/sgdynamo.exe?CODIV=0102&UID=2002050715133894&HTNAME=about/nmm/mathon.html You lost me at dot e ex e. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 21:28:37 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo Message-ID: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> So, I wanna know: the icy wastes of Finland gave us Linux and SSH -- an amazing amount of Free Software per capita for this severely serotonin-deprived depression country. Norway, despite its two mutually unintelligible native tongues, gave us DeCSS. But where the hell has SWEDEN been in the Information Revolution? You people are barely ahead of Denmark in the Pan-Scandinavian Information Rally, and they're all addicted to heroin there, so you can't really fault them. What the hell is wrong with Sweden? You people are a great country! You do all kind of good for the world! Where's the contribution to 21st-Century infoculture? I'm deeply suspicious that your nation's penchant for highly perverted pr0n has made you unfit to write code. Is it true? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Tue May 7 21:20:27 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I Forgot To Ask Message-ID: <878z6vp8xg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> So, was there a Mozilla Dot Party this year in SF? A Mozilla Not Party? Anything Mozilla-ish, partywise? What the hell is that Jamie Z doing, if there's no Mozillur parties going on? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From duncan at styx.net Tue May 7 22:43:54 2002 From: duncan at styx.net (Duncan Mak) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I Forgot To Ask In-Reply-To: <878z6vp8xg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <878z6vp8xg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <1020836634.8938.1.camel@diphthong> On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 00:20, Mr.Bad wrote: > So, was there a Mozilla Dot Party this year in SF? A Mozilla Not > Party? Anything Mozilla-ish, partywise? > > What the hell is that Jamie Z doing, if there's no Mozillur parties > going on? > I think there is a party. http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2002/05.html#1-may-2002 Duncan. From mikael at pawlo.com Tue May 7 23:33:29 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: At 00.28 -0400 02-05-08, Mr.Bad wrote: >So, I wanna know: the icy wastes of Finland gave us Linux and SSH -- >an amazing amount of Free Software per capita for this severely >serotonin-deprived depression country. Norway, despite its two >mutually unintelligible native tongues, gave us DeCSS. But where the >hell has SWEDEN been in the Information Revolution? We're right behind everyone else. >You people are barely ahead of Denmark in the Pan-Scandinavian >Information Rally, and they're all addicted to heroin there, so you >can't really fault them. What the hell is wrong with Sweden? You >people are a great country! You do all kind of good for the world! >Where's the contribution to 21st-Century infoculture? We started a lot of web agencies that went public and eventually bust. Ah - this is indeed a depressing subject on so many levels... >I'm deeply suspicious that your nation's penchant for highly perverted >pr0n has made you unfit to write code. Is it true? I can't even find that, while the Swedish equivalent of the moral majority made the ISPs remove all newsgroups that could possibly contain anything that even remotely could be suscpected to be child pr0n. Hence, the ISPs removed everything, just to be certain. Gosh - this IS a depressing subject, but I should know better by now than starting the day by reading email from someone who addresses himself as "mr bad" .-) Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From pawal at blipp.com Wed May 8 00:49:07 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> On Tue, 07 May 2002, Mr. Bad wrote: > I wonder, if you could maybe go off a bit on how a non-profit's or > even an individual's provision of charitable services can be subject > to liability. If I give a homeless guy a blanket, and it has a stain > on it, can he sue me? If the Salvation Army's soup is flavorless and > fattening, is it liable? What are the provisions for liability of > charitable donations? If you give a homeless guy a lemon, and it is poisoned, could he sue you? -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From pawal at blipp.com Wed May 8 01:09:29 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020508080929.GP22923@vic20.blipp.com> On Wed, 08 May 2002, Mr. Bad wrote: > So, I wanna know: the icy wastes of Finland gave us Linux and SSH -- > an amazing amount of Free Software per capita for this severely > serotonin-deprived depression country. Norway, despite its two > mutually unintelligible native tongues, gave us DeCSS. But where the > hell has SWEDEN been in the Information Revolution? MySQL, Roxen. Lots of *BSD developers here hacking on various stuff like OpenSSH and OpenSSL. The Linux 2.0 kernel is maintained by a guy in Ume?. We also have Mr Project, the nice little Gnome project. > You people are barely ahead of Denmark in the Pan-Scandinavian > Information Rally, and they're all addicted to heroin there, so you > can't really fault them. What the hell is wrong with Sweden? You > people are a great country! You do all kind of good for the world! > Where's the contribution to 21st-Century infoculture? We're not ORGANIZED. There was a Linux i Skolan project meeting here in Stockholm a couple of weeks ago, just to prove to ourselves how not so very organized we are. We hade some interesting folks from the danish and norwegian school projects over here to talk for us, and I was very impressed by their work. It will be interesting if the swedes can be organized on such a fairly simple project, http://www.linuxiskolan.org/ > I'm deeply suspicious that your nation's penchant for highly perverted > pr0n has made you unfit to write code. Is it true? The americans taken over that bit now. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From crack at phreedom.net Wed May 8 01:18:38 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87n0vbpaiv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 May 2002, Mr. Bad wrote: > Hell -- the Windurs people, we'll send them to re-education > camps. They didn't KNOW better. But you freaks! You! You have freedom > RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE, and you let Dan Bernstein take it away > from you for 30 pieces of silver and non-standard FTP listings. Maybe...but every time I sign up five more users I get 20% of their silver pieces. The deal gets better because as those five users sign up five more I get 20% of those, and so on. Can't you see this is the deal of a lifetime! -davidu > You're incorrigeable. ERROR: syllables++ ERROR: core dumped. -davidu From crack at phreedom.net Wed May 8 01:20:06 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I Forgot To Ask In-Reply-To: <878z6vp8xg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 May 2002, Mr. Bad wrote: > So, was there a Mozilla Dot Party this year in SF? A Mozilla Not > Party? Anything Mozilla-ish, partywise? > > What the hell is that Jamie Z doing, if there's no Mozillur parties > going on? You weren't invited, STFU. -davidu From mvw at wave.co.nz Wed May 8 01:23:11 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <87vg9zpawk.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020508082311.GA673@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 11:37:47PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: - On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 11:57:22PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: - On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 12:20:27AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: - On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 12:28:37AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: - How sad to see you drinking alone at home. Gar, it makes me -ing cry! Mark. From evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us Wed May 8 04:01:11 2002 From: evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <20020508023958.GE1438@zork.net> (Seth David Schoen's message of "Tue, 7 May 2002 19:39:58 -0700") References: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020507152026.B13753@zgp.org> <20020508023958.GE1438@zork.net> Message-ID: <87it5y9a4o.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SDS" == Seth David Schoen writes: SDS> I heard something about a case in which something was found SDS> copyrightable but obscene. See, but, I think that that's the exception that proves the rule. One wouldn't even treat the subject under obscenity law and/or the First Amendment if the subject (are you talking about a computer program, by the way?) was not expression. I guess the way I'm thinking about it -- unfortunately -- is that C and A1 are both functions over the same domain, E, comprised of expressive works. C maps E to ownership rights, and A1 maps E to freedom. Just because the function returns boolean false on occasion does not mean that the imput was not in the domain. SDS> I can't remember any details, though. There are also easy SDS> examples in the other direction, like Feist (a SDS> non-copyrightable original work which nobody maintained was SDS> not protected by the first amendment). So, public domain written works are not copyrighted, but they are expression w/r/t the A1. However, even treating them as "public domain works" -- labelling them as such -- means giving them some status under copyright framework. I'm suspecting that that's not what you mean, though. I don't know the case you're talking about, and I'm too lazy to go look it up. What was the medium that could not be copyrighted but had A1 protection? SDS> Brief of Abelson et al. as Amici Curiae. SDS> http://www.2600.com/dvd/docs/2001/0126-speech.html Eluctate on! Seth, I think you are probably one of the most interesting people to hear from on Crackmonkey. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us From mikael at pawlo.com Wed May 8 04:14:52 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Message-ID: At 18.50 -0400 02-05-06, Douglas F. Calvert wrote: >Greetings, > If there was ever a place to start a flamewar about free speech and >source code this would be the place. I just got done writing a paper on >the DMCA and free speech issues. URL? >I feel that source code can easily be >veiwed as free speech because it can express meaning to a large amount >of users. I am not going to preach to the choir so i will stop here. > However if i rattled off the byte code to a program very few people in >the world would be able to derive any meaning from it. What do you guys >think about the legality of compiled code and the first ammendment? What is happening in the different DeCSS cases? Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us Wed May 8 04:49:20 2002 From: evan at prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I Forgot To Ask In-Reply-To: <1020836634.8938.1.camel@diphthong> (Duncan Mak's message of "08 May 2002 01:43:54 -0400") References: <878z6vp8xg.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020836634.8938.1.camel@diphthong> Message-ID: <87d6w697wf.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DM" == Duncan Mak writes: DM> I think there is a party. DM> http://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/2002/05.html#1-may-2002 Yeah, and there's a flyer up, too. And an article on Pigdog Journal. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou evan@prodromou.san-francisco.ca.us From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed May 8 04:55:10 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 08:33:29 +0200") References: Message-ID: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> We started a lot of web agencies that went public and MP> eventually bust. Ah - this is indeed a depressing subject on MP> so many levels... You know, I nearly worked for a Swedish Web agency. The Swedes were really sharp -- I enjoyed interviewing there. MP> Gosh - this IS a depressing subject, but I should know better MP> by now than starting the day by reading email from someone who MP> addresses himself as "mr bad" .-) Fair enough. Sorry to hit a sore spot on the national psyche. Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed May 8 05:00:31 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <20020508082311.GA673@mvw.wave.co.nz> (mvw@wave.co.nz's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 20:23:11 +1200") References: <87d6wafdp7.fsf@enberg.org> <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <87vg9zpawk.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508082311.GA673@mvw.wave.co.nz> Message-ID: <87wuue7stc.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MvW" == Mark van Walraven writes: MvW> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 11:37:47PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: - MvW> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 11:57:22PM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: MvW> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 12:20:27AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: MvW> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 12:28:37AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: This is a bit obsessive, don't you think? And who reads bourgeois dates anymore, anyways? MvW> How sad to see you drinking alone at home. Gar, it makes me MvW> -ing cry! No, I was out drinking with strangers, and then realized I had to be up this morning for French class, so I came home and gar-gar-gar'd at CM. Anyways, I've never found drinking at home alone to be anything but cause for celebration. Mostly because I'm excited to even HAVE a home to get drunk in, which parenthetically I haven't done, yet. I think you're just mad that I made fun of your ccTLD. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed May 8 05:05:46 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] I Forgot To Ask In-Reply-To: (David Ulevitch's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 01:20:06 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: <87sn527skl.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "DU" == David Ulevitch writes: >> So, was there a Mozilla Dot Party this year in SF? A Mozilla >> Not Party? Anything Mozilla-ish, partywise? DU> You weren't invited, STFU. Fuck off, Troll! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Wed May 8 05:23:09 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 09:49:07 +0200") References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "PW" == Patrik Wallstrom writes: PW> If you give a homeless guy a lemon, and it is poisoned, could PW> he sue you? I dunno. Could he? I mean, in the broad picture, I guess anyone can sue anyone for anything, but that doesn't mean they'll win. Maybe I'll put on my Junior Amateur Uninformed Lawyer Decoder Ring and try to talk about it. If you gave a guy a lemon, and YOU poisoned it, then I'd think that'd be some kind of assault or something, and he could probably sue you and win, not to mention all the criminal charges you'd be in for, you disturbed lemon-poisoner, you. But if you gave a guy a lemon, and it had some poison on it that you DIDN'T know about, like pesticide or something, though, it seems like it's a different kind of ball game. I'm just wondering if a charitable donator is held to the same standards of responsibility that, say, a grocery store that SOLD you a lemon would be. In real terms, of course, most consumers tend to sue for extravagant damages the person in the equation who has the most money, and on the other side most corporations sue for even more extravagant damages the person in the equation who is causing them the most grief, or who will make the most humiliating example of capitulation. I'd kind of like to see an argument on MP's part about why software should continue to be exempted from lemon laws, though. I mean, if the argument is, "It'll be bad for the industry," well, I figure most consumers would say something along the lines of, "Tough shit." Consumer law has been real tough on the Ponzi scheme industry, too, but that doesn't mean we're going to repeal those laws. I also think the defense that "Software is really hard!" is kind of lame, too. Making a car is really hard. Building an airplane is really hard. Heart surgery is really hard. All these things are subject to consumer protection law. I dunno. If someone says that software is more like a book or like music, which don't seem to have the same kind of consumer protection, well, that's getting somewhere. I'm rambling now. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From joakim at avmaria.com Wed May 8 08:37:29 2002 From: joakim at avmaria.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <1020872251.1668.1.camel@deck> On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 06:55, Mr. Bad wrote: > Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I > dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just > crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. Actually, Swedish demos were never quite as good as, say, Finnish, Danish, or even Norwegian ones, from what I remember. I think the reason the Dutch make so much software despite their porn is that they balance the porn with pot and Heineken. -- The Private Joakim Ziegler - Not Speaking For Anyone But Myself ziegler@e.fix.no - http://www.avmaria.com - Radagast@Undernet&GIMPnet http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.fix.no/ - http://www.gnome.org/ From henrik at enberg.org Wed May 8 08:38:41 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> ("Mr. Bad"'s message of "Wed, 08 May 2002 00:28:37 -0400") References: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87it5y8xa6.fsf@enberg.org> "Mr. Bad" writes: > Norway, despite its two mutually unintelligible native tongues, gave > us DeCSS. I was under the impression that DeCSS was a mostly German thing. Or a Mr. Bad thing. -- Yo mama's so nasty, her tits give sour milk. From pawal at blipp.com Wed May 8 08:45:13 2002 From: pawal at blipp.com (Patrik Wallstrom) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <1020872251.1668.1.camel@deck> References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020872251.1668.1.camel@deck> Message-ID: <20020508154513.GP28434@vic20.blipp.com> On Wed, 08 May 2002, Joakim Ziegler wrote: > > Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I > > dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just > > crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. > > Actually, Swedish demos were never quite as good as, say, Finnish, > Danish, or even Norwegian ones, from what I remember. What kind of demos do you remember? The swedish C64 demos has always, and still is, of a very high standard. The PC-demos has never been interesting to me. There are lots of old Swedish C64-coders doing free software now. -- patrik_wallstrom->foodfight->pawal@blipp.com->+46-709580442 From schoen at loyalty.org Wed May 8 08:51:30 2002 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: References: <1020725433.27157.80.camel@allevil> Message-ID: <20020508155130.GL1438@zork.net> Mikael Pawlo writes: > What is happening in the different DeCSS cases? Bunner's coming up in the Cal. Supreme Court, and I think Pavlovich is too. Between the two of them, they're the appellants or appellees in what I think were _six_ pretrial appeals. (Remember that this case started in 1999 and there's still only a preliminary injunction.) I think Bunner's motion to dismiss is due to be heard in the trial court after the Supreme Court makes its decision. In the motion to dismiss, Bunner argues that DeCSS is no longer a secret. (Bunner's issue in the Supreme Court is over the constitutionality of the preliminary injunction; Pavlovich's issue is over jurisdiction.) I think we may be looking for amici in the Bunner appeal (where Bunner is appellee because the court below found for him), so let Robin Gross know if you have any ideas. I don't remember what's going on in the 2600 case. The two obvious next steps would be a petition for rehearing en banc or a petition for certiorari. I can try to find out whether anyone is working on either or both. -- Seth David Schoen | Reading is a right, not a feature! http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk http://vitanuova.loyalty.org/ | From doug at pigeonhold.com Wed May 8 08:57:19 2002 From: doug at pigeonhold.com (Doug Winter) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us>; from mr.bad@pigdog.org on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:23:09AM -0400 References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020508165719.L7663@pigeonhold.com> On Wed 08 May, Mr. Bad said: > I also think the defense that "Software is really hard!" is kind of > lame, too. Making a car is really hard. Building an airplane is really > hard. Heart surgery is really hard. All these things are subject to > consumer protection law. Yeah, but you always know when a car and an aeroplane are going to halt. doug. -- 1024D/6973E2CF print 2C95 66AD 1596 37D2 41FC 609F 76C0 A4EC 6973 E2CF You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job, now behave yourself. From joakim at avmaria.com Wed May 8 10:19:18 2002 From: joakim at avmaria.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <20020508154513.GP28434@vic20.blipp.com> References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <1020872251.1668.1.camel@deck> <20020508154513.GP28434@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: <1020878360.1668.5.camel@deck> On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 10:45, Patrik Wallstrom wrote: > On Wed, 08 May 2002, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >>> Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I >>> dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just >>> crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. >> Actually, Swedish demos were never quite as good as, say, Finnish, >> Danish, or even Norwegian ones, from what I remember. > What kind of demos do you remember? The swedish C64 demos has always, > and still is, of a very high standard. The PC-demos has never been > interesting to me. Amiga and, to an extent, PC. I never got in to the C64 demo scene, I was too young, I think. Around the time I was old enough to think that demos were cool, I already had an Amiga. PC demos were primarily cool because they did some stuff that was really cool looking, although I have the distinct impression the code was never as tight, and the PC scene didn't seem as friendly. But I'm a sucker for stuff that looks cool. One of my all-time favourite demos is the Hardwired demo for the Amiga, which wasn't too cutting-edge, technically, but just had production values way beyond what most demos had at the time. It was Danish, btw. -- The Private Joakim Ziegler - Not Speaking For Anyone But Myself ziegler@e.fix.no - http://www.avmaria.com - Radagast@Undernet&GIMPnet http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.fix.no/ - http://www.gnome.org/ From poop at crapmonkey.org Wed May 8 10:42:06 2002 From: poop at crapmonkey.org (poop@crapmonkey.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "Wed, 08 May 2002 00:28:37 -0400") References: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: * Mr. Bad : > Norway, despite its two mutually unintelligible native tongues, gave > us DeCSS. And Simula! -- poopmastah From neale at woozle.org Wed May 8 13:05:35 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: Mr. Bad writes: > But if you gave a guy a lemon, and it had some poison on it that you > DIDN'T know about, like pesticide or something, though, it seems like > it's a different kind of ball game. I'm just wondering if a charitable > donator is held to the same standards of responsibility that, say, a > grocery store that SOLD you a lemon would be. Actually, I think this sort of situation has some relation to why McDonald's throws away uneaten or unsold food instead of donating it to homeless shelters. -- ~~~~~~~~01234567 <- The *amazing* Tilde-O-Meter! ^ (*: Tilde-O-Meter may not actually amaze.) From mvw at wave.co.nz Wed May 8 14:15:52 2002 From: mvw at wave.co.nz (Mark van Walraven) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <87wuue7stc.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <6ulmaydyrx.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87d6w84vpx.fsf@enberg.org> <200205070157.g471vaQn029996@foo-bar-baz.cc.vt.edu> <20020507023354.GJ19321@zork.net> <20020507171519.GG29087@linuxmafia.com> <87vg9zpawk.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508082311.GA673@mvw.wave.co.nz> <87wuue7stc.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020508211552.GA2250@mvw.wave.co.nz> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:00:31AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: > I think you're just mad that I made fun of your ccTLD. Actually, I thought that was quite witty. But crackmonkey's been getting downright civil and rational lately - I had to attack. Mark. From jdub at perkypants.org Thu May 9 01:49:17 2002 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020509084917.GJ1133@perkypants.org> > But where the hell has SWEDEN been in the Information Revolution? Jesus Christ man, where have you been? The Swedish Conspiracy has been with us for years now. Only recently have Free Software projects found the strength to tell the world... And they thinks woer're joaokeing!!11 LErti uss iohut of eherhre!! eeeDEarg gGGpd the paeiienn!!!!! piuppi loknsgtockiang neasvcerr dfraen;k soou maecahs coiffferee!!111 AWRTIUEHRAAARGH! - Jeff -- "It's actually my new bandwidth conservation technique: compresion of al double leters." - Telsa Gwynne From ron at vnetworx.net Thu May 9 09:17:09 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Ron Guerin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <20020509084917.GJ1133@perkypants.org> References: <874rhjp8ju.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020509084917.GJ1133@perkypants.org> Message-ID: <1020961029.15671.35739.camel@amory> On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 04:49, Jeff Waugh wrote: > Jesus Christ man, where have you been? The Swedish Conspiracy has been with > us for years now. Olaf Palme! From nick at zork.net Thu May 9 09:53:40 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Bad DVD design locked in by crypto Message-ID: <20020509165339.GL12618@zork.net> http://www.jnd.org/dn.mss/DVDmenus.html > One reader of an earlier version of this article said that the > delays and unnecessary burdens of dealing with the menus, unwanted > displays, and other inconveniences tempted him to try to break the > encryption just so he could get to the movie more easily. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 9 10:28:34 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: (Neale Pickett's message of "08 May 2002 13:05:35 -0700") References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <874rhhxmbh.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NP" == Neale Pickett writes: NP> Actually, I think this sort of situation has some relation to NP> why McDonald's throws away uneaten or unsold food instead of NP> donating it to homeless shelters. I wonder if it's more because they're a low-end food business and if they gave away leftovers, the streetpeople wouldn't come in and buy 39-cent cheeseburgers. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From neale at woozle.org Thu May 9 11:43:35 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (Monkey Minion) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <874rhhxmbh.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <874rhhxmbh.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: Mr. Bad writes: > >>>>> "NP" == Neale Pickett writes: > > NP> Actually, I think this sort of situation has some relation to > NP> why McDonald's throws away uneaten or unsold food instead of > NP> donating it to homeless shelters. > > I wonder if it's more because they're a low-end food business and if > they gave away leftovers, the streetpeople wouldn't come in and buy > 39-cent cheeseburgers. Perhaps. But I do remember one McDonald's in Albuquerque back in the early 80s was trying out a food donation program with a local shelter, and the paper mentioned that the reason the golden arches dining club was wary about such a thing had to do with a lawsuit arising should a homeless guy bite into a used McDLT with a hypodermic needle in it. As if a paying customer wouldn't sue them, or something. But IANAL and there are myriad legal complexities involved in such things, I am sure. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu May 9 12:42:20 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: ; from neale@woozle.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 11:43:35AM -0700 References: <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <874rhhxmbh.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020509124220.B28849@zgp.org> begin Monkey Minion quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 11:43:35AM -0700: > As if a paying customer wouldn't sue them, or something. But IANAL and > there are myriad legal complexities involved in such things, I am sure. Maybe they would donate the food if another donor covered their liability insurance. "Feed a Child, Insure a Big Mac" I once met a guy who ate lunch out of a McD dumpster every day when he worked at a mall, and also got shoes, a BMX bike, and other stuff from other dumpsters. He only got food poisoning once -- from a Filet-O-Fish. I think I would stick with the base model hamburgers and cheeseburgers. - Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From henrik at enberg.org Thu May 9 13:33:14 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll Message-ID: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. -- Yo mama's so fat, she has to get out of the car to change gears. From dmarti at zgp.org Thu May 9 13:52:44 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org>; from henrik@enberg.org on Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200 References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> begin Henrik Enberg quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200: > Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. > > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like this: http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From simm at zork.net Thu May 9 13:59:53 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020509205953.GA5062@zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > begin Henrik Enberg quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200: > > > Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. > > > > > > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like > this: > http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower some of the comments are hilarious, for instace: I was talking to this "Tolkien" character on my recent visit to Oxford. He is SO obviously a hater of Americans that I can't believe he even agreed to show this film in the United States. He told me about this time he was thinking of the title for the second film and he saw the horrible events of 9/11 and decided that if he was going to allow these films to be shown in America, he was going to insult us by reminding us of these horrid events by titling the film "The Two Towers." -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From dep at linuxandmain.com Thu May 9 14:01:12 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:51 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200205091701.12482.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Don Marti's quote: | Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like | this: | http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html this could get really ugly and require some severe action, such as the creation of a verb to replace "petition" when talking about petitions. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu May 9 14:03:45 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020509210345.GA19455@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Prickle-Prickle, the 56th of Discord, 3168, Don Marti wrote: > begin Henrik Enberg quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200: > > > Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. > > > > > > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like > this: > http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html You just have to go to the URL listed on that petition page to bring you to the petition removal petetion. Then from the petition removal petition you can follow URL given to the renaming petition. Or you can just go here: http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower/petition.html - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82uQujLHcIq3dHxYRArJtAJ9lvntQwh7/ZE9wdzPFa4mv9wiGZwCfZWb7 PkB2fpkdVvMbYw6lv+HstHI= =YtNO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik at enberg.org Thu May 9 14:06:14 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> (Don Marti's message of "Thu, 9 May 2002 13:52:44 -0700") References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <87offp9gl5.fsf@enberg.org> Don Marti writes: > Where is the actual petition? Written by page widener Klerck. -- Yo mama's so ugly, people go as her for Halloween. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 9 14:18:11 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020509211810.GT12618@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like this: > http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html FOllow the URLs http://www.petitiononline.com/twotower/petition.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From simm at zork.net Thu May 9 14:29:19 2002 From: simm at zork.net (Simm Al-Aekrib) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020509212919.GB5062@zork.net> begin Don Marti quotation: > begin Henrik Enberg quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200: > > > Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. > > > > > > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like > this: > http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html > hey, i did some searching and found a link to the petition at: http://crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2002q2/030419.html -- Simm Al-Aekrib | Optical Illusion Fun!! "I have a prodigious quantity of mind; | )----------( it takes me as much as a week | (----------) sometimes to make it up." -- Mark Twain | Which line is longer??? From squinky at dasbistro.com Thu May 9 14:39:37 2002 From: squinky at dasbistro.com (Not Erik) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <200205091701.12482.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> <200205091701.12482.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020509213937.GC20604@dasbistro.com> On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 05:01:12PM -0400, dep wrote: > begin Don Marti's quote: > > | Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like > | this: > | http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html > > this could get really ugly and require some severe action, such as the > creation of a verb to replace "petition" when talking about > petitions. Too bad "fellate" was already taken. From nick at zork.net Thu May 9 16:32:42 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] Message-ID: <20020509233241.GB12618@zork.net> Bye bye hippy. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- erikb@beadpainter.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Thu May 9 20:00:28 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] Message-ID: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Lotus Notes > Supercite I love my LUG's mailing list. - ----- Forwarded message from Mark Harris ----- From: "Mark Harris" To: klug@k-lug.org Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:30:26 -0500 Subject: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts.... List-Id: K-Lug Mailing List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.7 March 21, 2001 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml410/27/M/IBM(Release 5.0.10 |March 22, 2002) at 05/09/2002 05:30:27 PM Reply-To: klug@k-lug.org I know folks that have to use Java, and I know folks that wish they never heard of Java, but I have never ever met anyone enthusiastic about Java... ok, maybe a little naive excitement before they know what they're getting into.... :-O Java - Compile once- debug everywhere ! "Jim Henderson" > cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts.... klug-admin@k-lug. org 05/09/2002 05:19 PM Please respond to klug this is debatable - -----Original Message----- From: klug-admin@k-lug.org [mailto:klug-admin@k-lug.org]On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 5:16 PM To: klug@k-lug.org Subject: Re: [Klug] For java enthusiasts.... I hate to tell ya Joe, but , well, there really aren't any Java enthusiasts. :-)))) Joseph Mollen/Rochester/ To: klug@k-lug.org IBM@IBMUS cc: Sent by: Subject: [Klug] For java enthusiasts.... klug-admin@k-lug. org 05/09/2002 03:09 PM Please respond to klug http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/020509/041858.html - -Joe Joseph S. Mollen Electronic Design Automation IBM Rochester, Minnesota Phone (507) 253-5807, Tie Line 8-553-5807 IBM Mail: Joseph Mollen/rochester/IBM mollen@us.ibm.com _______________________________________________ Klug mailing list Klug@k-lug.org http://www.k-lug.org/mailman/listinfo/klug _______________________________________________ Klug mailing list Klug@k-lug.org http://www.k-lug.org/mailman/listinfo/klug _______________________________________________ Klug mailing list Klug@k-lug.org http://www.k-lug.org/mailman/listinfo/klug _______________________________________________ Klug mailing list Klug@k-lug.org http://www.k-lug.org/mailman/listinfo/klug - ----- End forwarded message ----- - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE82zfLjLHcIq3dHxYRAprBAKCNJ7JhoulWeK/UCI+aO/3ozuZJBQCfdz6m gvA1bZhiNxfHm4N0fXAkPw8= =FQyN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From crack at phreedom.net Thu May 9 20:45:43 2002 From: crack at phreedom.net (David Ulevitch) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 9 May 2002, Don Marti wrote: > begin Henrik Enberg quotation of Thu, May 09, 2002 at 10:33:14PM +0200: > > > Someone actually falls for a slashdot troll. > > > > > > Where is the actual petition? All I could find was stuff like > this: > http://www.petitiononline.com/pet1pet/petition.html You're talking about a petition when you could be talking about J Lo? you go girl. -davidu From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 9 22:35:44 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <87offp9gl5.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Thu, 09 May 2002 23:06:14 +0200") References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> <87offp9gl5.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <87n0v8o98v.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "HE" == Henrik Enberg writes: HE> Uncle Pedro's so ugly, people go as her for Halloween. Ha ha ha! See what I'm talking about? You know, I once went to a Halloween party where someone was dressed as me. It was pretty cool. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 9 22:39:46 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <20020509233241.GB12618@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Thu, 9 May 2002 16:32:42 -0700") References: <20020509233241.GB12618@zork.net> Message-ID: <87it5wo925.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> erikb@beadpainter.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. Oh no! WHO NOW WILL PAINT THE LOVELY BEADS!?!?! ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Thu May 9 22:47:08 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> ("Brian D. Hicks"'s message of "Thu, 9 May 2002 22:00:28 -0500") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "BDH" == Brian D Hicks writes: BDH> I know folks that have to use Java, and I know folks that BDH> wish they never heard of Java, but I have never ever met BDH> anyone enthusiastic about Java... ok, maybe a little naive BDH> excitement before they know what they're getting into.... BDH> :-O You know, I remember when people were really all super-excited about Javur. Like, not just dickhead marketing guys, but hackers and hardcore programmers and stuff. Then again, I'm all old and shit. I think there are a lot of ex-Powerbuilder programmers now who think that Javur is just the cat's meow. BDH> Java - Compile once- debug everywhere ! Oh ho ho! It is to laugh! Such a clever play on Sun's Javur motto! I like to call the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems "Win-DOSE", because when you use it, it's like you won a whole bunch of LSD in some kind of hippy lottery or something. GET IT!?! Win-DOSE!?!?! Please do not use this pun as it is the property of me. ~Mr. Bad P.S. I also like to call Microsoft Word "Word-UP", because it makes you act like early 80s soul music performer Cameo. P.P.S. You can use that one as it is in the public domain. P.P.P.S. I'd like to see someone try to format two floppy disks at once with DOS! Because you can't do that! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Thu May 9 23:17:51 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020510061751.GK12618@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > BDH> Java - Compile once- debug everywhere ! > > Oh ho ho! It is to laugh! Such a clever play on Sun's Javur motto! > > I like to call the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems > "Win-DOSE", because when you use it, it's like you won a whole bunch > of LSD in some kind of hippy lottery or something. GET IT!?! > Win-DOSE!?!?! > > Please do not use this pun as it is the property of me. http://leisuretown.com/library/qac/25.html -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Thu May 9 23:18:30 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey unsubscribe notification] In-Reply-To: <87it5wo925.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020509233241.GB12618@zork.net> <87it5wo925.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020510061830.GP13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 05:39 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > NM> erikb@beadpainter.org has been removed from CrackMonkey. > > Oh no! WHO NOW WILL PAINT THE LOVELY BEADS!?!?! You will. http://www.beadpainter.org/source.zip -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri May 10 00:17:54 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Man, I Crack My Own Ass Up Message-ID: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016281.html Man, I can't even remember who that guy was. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri May 10 00:28:09 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Man, I Crack My Own Ass Up In-Reply-To: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020510072808.GL12618@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016281.html > > Man, I can't even remember who that guy was. haha! DHD was an old Linuxcare d00d! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sam at dasbistro.com Fri May 10 00:53:44 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> Message-ID: <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 09:04:58PM +0100, Niall Brady wrote: > On Sat, May 04, 2002 at 03:32:49PM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > > > Hmmm. Strange, there's no flurry of posts calling this last claim of yours > > into question... > > Ah no, he got killfiled recently, poor baby. Honest. > My killfile is bigger than your killfile. Neener neener neener. -Thom Schtark -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From sam at dasbistro.com Fri May 10 00:56:39 2002 From: sam at dasbistro.com (Sam Phillips) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Man, I Crack My Own Ass Up In-Reply-To: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020510075639.GH18562@dasbistro.com> On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:17:54AM -0400, Mr. Bad wrote: > http://www.crackmonkey.org/pipermail/crackmonkey/2001q1/016281.html > > Man, I can't even remember who that guy was. > Sadly enough I think I used to know that guy, but now I think he's some Silicon Valley refugee in Canadia. Whatever happend to the Mister Bads of yesteryear? -- Sam Phillips http://www.dasbistro.com/~sam Das Bistro Heavy Industries Histogram Valley, Nevada From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri May 10 03:37:01 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <200205100637.02032.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Mr. Bad's quote: |I'm all old and shit. this is good. many who are old can't, at least not without a half-pound of colon cleanser washed down with a quart of prunejuice, the result of which sets off sensors at the office of homeland security. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From sneakums at zork.net Fri May 10 03:42:08 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <200205100637.02032.dep@linuxandmain.com> (dep's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 06:37:01 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <200205100637.02032.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <6u4rhgffnj.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence dep quotation: > this is good. many who are old can't, at least not without a > half-pound of colon cleanser washed down with a quart of prunejuice, > the result of which sets off sensors at the office of homeland > security. Ah yes, the Reichssecuritaetburo. Good people. -- "I like vending machines because snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar in a convenience store, sometimes I'll drop it to activate its full flavor." -- Mitch Hedberg From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Fri May 10 06:28:17 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 00:53:44 PDT." <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <200205101328.g4ADSHKn002473@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Fri, 10 May 2002 00:53:44 PDT, Sam Phillips said: > My killfile is bigger than your killfile. Neener neener neener. All the same, we'd appreciate it if you put that shriveled thing back in your pants. From neale at woozle.org Fri May 10 08:27:08 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lennifer Jopez (Was: MSNBC troll) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David Ulevitch writes: > You're talking about a petition when you could be talking about J Lo? My wife informed me this morning that some chick named Jennifer Lopez was moving to Queen Anne. This was in the newspaper. I'm assuming that she must be someone who is either in visual media a lot, or is very wealthy, or both. I was afraid to look like a pop-culture ignoramus in front of my wife, but seeing as how everybody on this list is at least as ignorant as I am (if not more so), I figure there is no harm in asking here who the hell Jennifer Lopez is and why I am supposed to care. From dep at linuxandmain.com Fri May 10 08:56:15 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lennifer Jopez (Was: MSNBC troll) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200205101156.15250.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Neale Pickett's quote: | My wife informed me this morning that some chick named Jennifer | Lopez was moving to Queen Anne. This was in the newspaper. I'm | assuming that she must be someone who is either in visual media a | lot, or is very wealthy, or both. I was afraid to look like a | pop-culture ignoramus in front of my wife, but seeing as how | everybody on this list is at least as ignorant as I am (if not more | so), I figure there is no harm in asking here who the hell Jennifer | Lopez is and why I am supposed to care. she is the world's most famous ho. she and her two sisters service the insaitable appetite of santa claus each december before, spent, he retires for 11 months. of course, the children are told something else, but this is the real story. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From poop at crapmonkey.org Fri May 10 09:20:49 2002 From: poop at crapmonkey.org (poop@crapmonkey.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lennifer Jopez (Was: MSNBC troll) In-Reply-To: (Neale Pickett's message of "10 May 2002 08:27:08 -0700") References: Message-ID: * Neale Pickett : > I figure there is no harm in asking here who the hell Jennifer Lopez > is and why I am supposed to care. Oh, look at me, I don't know who Jennifer Lopez is! -- poopmastah From neale at woozle.org Fri May 10 09:20:45 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (Monkey Minion) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lennifer Jopez (Was: MSNBC troll) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: poop@crapmonkey.org writes: > * Neale Pickett : > > > I figure there is no harm in asking here who the hell Jennifer Lopez > > is and why I am supposed to care. > > Oh, look at me, I don't know who Jennifer Lopez is! Glad to know I'm not the only one! -- ~~~~~~~~01234567 <- The *amazing* Tilde-O-Meter! ^ (*: Tilde-O-Meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Fri May 10 10:01:29 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Lennifer Jopez (Was: MSNBC troll) In-Reply-To: <200205101156.15250.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200205101156.15250.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020510170129.GR13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 15:56 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by dep > begin Neale Pickett's quote: > > | I figure there is no harm in asking here who the hell Jennifer > | Lopez is and why I am supposed to care. > > she is the world's most famous ho. she and her two sisters service > the insaitable appetite of santa claus each december before, spent, > he retires for 11 months. of course, the children are told > something else, but this is the real story. Don't forget; she's pregnant. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From henrik at enberg.org Fri May 10 10:54:11 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Man, I Crack My Own Ass Up In-Reply-To: <20020510072808.GL12618@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 00:28:09 -0700") References: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020510072808.GL12618@zork.net> Message-ID: <87znz73n3w.fsf@enberg.org> Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: > DHD was an old Linuxcare d00d! A minor open source deity? -- Yo mama's so fat, her car is made of spandex. From henrik at enberg.org Fri May 10 10:56:32 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> ("Mr. Bad"'s message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 01:47:08 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> "Mr. Bad" writes: > I like to call the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems > "Win-DOSE", because when you use it, it's like you won a whole bunch > of LSD in some kind of hippy lottery or something. GET IT!?! > Win-DOSE!?!?! How 'bout MS-DOG? I got that one from the Emacs info files. I think that one is almost as funny. -- Yo mama's so nasty, a skunk smelled her ass and passed out. From sneakums at zork.net Fri May 10 11:08:08 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 19:56:32 +0200") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Henrik Enberg quotation: > "Mr. Bad" writes: >> I like to call the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems >> "Win-DOSE", because when you use it, it's like you won a whole bunch >> of LSD in some kind of hippy lottery or something. GET IT!?! >> Win-DOSE!?!?! > > How 'bout MS-DOG? I got that one from the Emacs info files. I > think that one is almost as funny. But the absolute best part of the GNU Emacs info files is the sooper-sekrit hidden rant by rms about James W Zawinski ("jwz" to his fanboys). Oh man, it is rich, rich stuff. -- "What you see is what you get, but it sure ain't what we need." -- Eamon de Valera From mdillon at standmed.com Fri May 10 11:16:44 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020510181643.GA2031@eber.embody.org> begin Henrik Enberg quotation: > How 'bout MS-DOG? I got that one from the Emacs info files. I think > that one is almost as funny. Hey, man! What did a dog ever do to you? You better watch out, dude; I heard the dog Underground has some deep operatives in the monkey camp (I wouldn't be surprised if the pigdogs were in league). You could find yourself the unfortunate victim of an "accidently" bite from a rabid dog if you stick you your anti-canine ways. -md From mdillon at standmed.com Fri May 10 11:57:19 2002 From: mdillon at standmed.com (mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020510181643.GA2031@eber.embody.org> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <20020510181643.GA2031@eber.embody.org> Message-ID: <20020510185719.GA29286@lxbox3.embody.org> begin mike dillon, Comrade Emperor of Berkeley quotation: > "accidently" and I *mean* "accidently". -md From carton at Ivy.NET Fri May 10 12:36:31 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 01:47:08 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "b" == Bad writes: b> I remember when people were really all super-excited b> about Javur. Like, not just dickhead marketing guys, but b> hackers and hardcore programmers and stuff. Yeah. I even told Metricom they should release a Javur Powered pda of their own rather than wasting time on this superfast ``Ricochet II'' crap. I told them that battery life and the overall crappyness of current PDAs was the key factor holding back their product, and JAVUR IS THE ANSWER! And I'm part of the Ricochet Advisory Group, too, so they should have listened to me, but they didn't. Now Ricochet is like 3G-- so nobody cares, and the i-mode Keitai in Japan are PDAs with J2ME, and soon the NEC models will be imported for AT&T's i-mode. All because Ricochet failed to embrace the JAVUR REVOLUTION. And EPOC PDAs became hard-core about Java. You can program in either Java or PsionBASIC. Javur took over our Programming Languages class. We would break into small circles and play Twister to illustrate using stack frames for function calling. The prof. brought in a crappy build-your-own Linux PeeCee on a two-wheel dolly and plugged it into the projector to run his Javur programs. We would shout, ``Press Control-Alt-Backspace!'' and ``you have to start 'color-xterm' under Linux, not 'xterm'!'' That was back when being a Linux sysadmin was cool, rather than a sign that you were too lazy to write programs or learn some real Unixes. This went along with being crazy about Javur. Prof. Michael Main explained that you have to say ME-THOD on Javur, because if you say Function ``then the other Java programmers will laugh at you.'' He said, ``Do you ever get the impression that Java programmers think they're better than everyone else?'' -- Libertarian comes as close as I can think of to describe a culture that is lunatic anti-government, that romanticizes itself as outlaw, and, more than ever, is in bed with Wall Street and enamoured with those with elite establishment credentials. -- Paulina Borsook From sneakums at zork.net Fri May 10 12:52:05 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "10 May 2002 15:36:31 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Miles Nordin quotation: > That was back when being a Linux sysadmin was cool, rather than a > sign that you were too lazy to write programs or learn some real > Unixes. Are these the same "real Unixes" that must be rebooted every time a kernel tunable is changed? -- "I don't know about you, but I'm quitting Havenco." -- Eamon de Valera From nick at zork.net Fri May 10 19:23:39 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020511022339.GO12618@zork.net> ... What the hell? Is this a usenet gateway? ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- suter-listsub-crackmonkey@zwitterion.org has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From carlos at laviola.org Fri May 10 19:02:55 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Man, I Crack My Own Ass Up In-Reply-To: <87znz73n3w.fsf@enberg.org> References: <87y9esmpy5.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020510072808.GL12618@zork.net> <87znz73n3w.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <20020511020255.GB1968@laviola.org> On Fri, May 10, 2002 at 07:54:11PM +0200, Henrik Enberg wrote: > Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: > > > DHD was an old Linuxcare d00d! > > A minor open source deity? No, that's the Open Projects d00d. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ icq -> bad -|- jabber -> good (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Support Scientology! http://xenu.net From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri May 10 08:34:04 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> (Sam Phillips's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 00:53:44 -0700") References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> Message-ID: <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Sam "Mackenzie" Phillips grunted: > My killfile is bigger than your killfile. Neener neener > neener. > -Thom Schtark Yet another 100% content-free message. Well, that just about settles it on my end, MIZ Phillips. It's obvious that what you try to make up for in *quantity* of writing, you sorely lack in *quality*. I tried to give you a chance, but I can no longer allow you to clutter up my inbox with this inane prattling. In short: welcome to my killfile. Regards, Mister Bad Telephone: 514-555-3146 Email: mr@badrealities.com URL: http://www.pigdog.org/ Postal address: POB 5008 PMB 199, Montreal, PQ H2H 1V3 Ship-to address: 5008-A Highway 200, Box 199, Montreal, PQ H2H 1V3 PGP public key: http://www.badrealities.com/mrskey.txt From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri May 10 10:47:36 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Somebody Really Hates KidSprout Jumboree Message-ID: <87helfq4hz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Things are getting ugly on the piecepack Yahoogroup as allegations fly of FALSIFIED RATINGS and bitter internecine rivalry. ---8<--- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:43:04 -0700 From: Ron Hale-Evans Subject: Wow, somebody hates KidSprout Jumboree! Somebody must *really* hate KidSprout Jumboree. It's rated 1 out of 10, with a total of 2 votes. I wonder who voted, considering Wormholes is currently rated 9 out of 10 with 4 votes, and I think Jumboree is a much better game... [...] Ron -- Ron Hale-Evans ... rwhe@ludism.org & rwhe@apocalypse.org Center for Ludic Synergy, Seattle Cosmic Game Night, Kennexions Glass Bead Game & Positive Revolution FAQ: http://www.ludism.org/ Home page & Hexagram-8 I Ching Mailing List: http://www.apocalypse.org/~rwhe/ ---8<--- Later... ---8<--- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:51:48 -0700 From: Ron Hale-Evans Subject: Re: Wow, somebody hates KidSprout Jumboree! Thanks, Tim. I wonder if the two people (or one person on two computers :-) who voted 1.0 for it would like to speak up and explain why they hate it so much. Ron ---8<--- I've always believed that the secret ballot is a sacred privilege. This kind of SOVIET-STYLE vote tampering should not be tolerated in the Piecepack community!!!! ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri May 10 19:33:12 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020511023312.GP12618@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > Email: mr@badrealities.com URL: http://www.pigdog.org/ Man, like only about four people on here are going to get this one. It's fuqn hilarious, though! You win the orange dick award! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Fri May 10 20:10:09 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 19:08:08 +0100") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> But the absolute best part of the GNU Emacs info files is the SN> sooper-sekrit hidden rant by rms about James W Zawinski ("jwz" SN> to his fanboys). Oh man, it is rich, rich stuff. Are you trolling me? Where is it? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Fri May 10 20:25:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: > > SN> But the absolute best part of the GNU Emacs info files is the > SN> sooper-sekrit hidden rant by rms about James W Zawinski ("jwz" > SN> to his fanboys). Oh man, it is rich, rich stuff. > > Are you trolling me? Where is it? No no, you're supposed to say "Fuck off, troll!" He's mocking the JWZ rants against RMS that appear in XEmacs. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Fri May 10 21:21:15 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Somebody Really Hates KidSprout Jumboree In-Reply-To: <87helfq4hz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87helfq4hz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020511042115.GA20711@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Setting Orange, the 57th of Discord, 3168, Mr. Bad wrote: > ---8<--- > > Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:43:04 -0700 > From: Ron Hale-Evans > Subject: Wow, somebody hates KidSprout Jumboree! > > Somebody must *really* hate KidSprout Jumboree. It's rated 1 out of > 10, with a total of 2 votes. I wonder who voted, considering > Wormholes is currently rated 9 out of 10 with 4 votes, and I think > Jumboree is a much better game... I assume this was the rating before he added his own votes, because if he didn't try to rectify the situation through his own ballot, he doesn't get to bitch. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83Jw5jLHcIq3dHxYRArZpAJ9lLmumqV7T/XqOOZe0JMhtj/saEgCggAr7 eOUDrXvRkTLt82zZnXV3WVo= =nbCK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Fri May 10 23:41:19 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: Message from Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco of "Fri, 10 May 2002 20:25:59 PDT." <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> On Fri, 10 May 2002, "mm" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San >>>>> Francisco wrote: mm> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: +> Are you trolling me? Where is it? mm> He's mocking the JWZ rants against RMS that appear in XEmacs. And, if one were to get back to meetings, and back into therapy, and stop posting drunk every night, one would have noticed!! We're here to help. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat May 11 08:55:36 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: (Bob Bernstein's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 02:41:19 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <87offm7k7b.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "BB" == Bob Bernstein writes: BB> And, if one were to get back to meetings, and back into BB> therapy, and stop posting drunk every night, one would have BB> noticed!! Well, that's an interesting gedanken experiment. BB> We're here to help. That's what all Bad People say. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat May 11 09:32:22 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "10 May 2002 15:36:31 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> Yeah. I even told Metricom they should release a Javur MN> Powered pda of their own rather than wasting time on this MN> superfast ``Ricochet II'' crap. Hey, is that the truth? MN> That was back when being a Linux sysadmin was cool, rather MN> than a sign that you were too lazy to write programs or learn MN> some real Unixes. This went along with being crazy about MN> Javur. Yeah, well, now I'm really into CHILL, pretty much just because the Gnu Compiler Collection can compile it. It's widely used in European telecommunications circles, I'll have you know! ~Mr. Bad P.S. I'm also learning LUA, because Ruby isn't object-oriented enough for me. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat May 11 09:35:12 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Somebody Really Hates KidSprout Jumboree In-Reply-To: <20020511042115.GA20711@8ball.wox.org> ("Brian D. Hicks"'s message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 23:21:15 -0500") References: <87helfq4hz.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511042115.GA20711@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <877kma7idb.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "BDH" == Brian D Hicks writes: BDH> I assume this was the rating before he added his own votes, BDH> because if he didn't try to rectify the situation through his BDH> own ballot, he doesn't get to bitch. Well, maybe it wasn't in his I-Ching for that day to vote. Like, the Ludic energy was against it. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sat May 11 09:36:58 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:52 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 20:25:59 -0700") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <873cwy7iad.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> No no, you're supposed to say "Fuck off, troll!" MMaPRoSF> He's mocking the JWZ rants against RMS that appear in MMaPRoSF> XEmacs. Oh. Heh. Good one, Sean. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 11 11:19:06 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 12:32:22 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <6u7kmacztx.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mr. Bad quotation: > Yeah, well, now I'm really into CHILL, pretty much just because the > Gnu Compiler Collection can compile it. It's widely used in European > telecommunications circles, I'll have you know! A pity it's been dropped from GCC 3. All the front ends needed some major work because of some new memory management stuff (I think), and nobody stepped up to do the work on CHILL. -- "What they should do is try to get a whole nest of artificially intelligent kernels like ants or bees: ``Stop the hacker! He's going for the queen!'' And like a bunch of them start shutting down various systems ... it'd be like Death Star except without the explosions." -- Emad El-Haraty, on OS design. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sat May 11 11:19:36 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020511181936.GF14254@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > P.S. I'm also learning LUA, because Ruby isn't object-oriented enough > for me. "Lua combines simple procedural syntax (similar to Pascal) with powerful data description constructs based on associative arrays and extensible semantics. Lua is dynamically typed, interpreted from bytecodes, and has and rapid prototyping." Riiiiight... -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Sat May 11 11:45:03 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: Message from "Mr. Bad" of "Sat, 11 May 2002 11:55:36 EDT." <87offm7k7b.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> <6ug00zdgfr.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87helfnzvy.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511032559.GA14254@zork.net> <87offm7k7b.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sat, 11 May 2002, "bad" == Mr. Bad wrote: bad> Well, that's an interesting gedanken experiment. I'm glad you liked it. BB> We're here to help. bad> That's what all Bad People say. Trust me. I'm a professional. -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From nick at zork.net Sat May 11 16:01:03 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs Message-ID: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> http://www.macuser.co.uk/macsurfer/php3/openframe.php3?page=/newnews/newsarticle.php3?id=1990 > Celine's latest offering - A New Day Has Come - features > copy-protection to prevent it being played and duplicated in a PC, > and that same copy-protection was believed to be capable of > damaging the PC's firmware. It seems that this is definitely the > case, as once the CD is inserted into a new iMac it cannot be > removed and the machine cannot be restarted. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Sat May 11 16:46:03 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 16:01:03 -0700") References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Nick Moffitt quotation: > http://www.macuser.co.uk/macsurfer/php3/openframe.php3?page=/newnews/newsarticle.php3?id=1990 >> Celine's latest offering - A New Day Has Come - features >> copy-protection to prevent it being played and duplicated in a PC, >> and that same copy-protection was believed to be capable of >> damaging the PC's firmware. It seems that this is definitely the >> case, as once the CD is inserted into a new iMac it cannot be >> removed and the machine cannot be restarted. And you cannot pull out the AC cord because the user manual says that you must never do so. -- "Developers, developers, developers, developers." -- Steve Ballmer From carton at Ivy.NET Fri May 10 15:24:59 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] straight porn In-Reply-To: (Monkey Minion's message of "10 May 2002 09:20:45 -0700") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "ftang" == Monkey Minion writes: ftang> Glad to know I'm not the only one! J Lo is a brand of ``professional dancer.'' Feel free to list the names of any other women who you don't know are, so that we can better mock your quaint taste for flesh. -- You are kneeling on a rusty cot. There is a row of small mailboxes here. From carton at Ivy.NET Fri May 10 15:16:52 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> (Henrik Enberg's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 19:56:32 +0200") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "he" == Henrik Enberg writes: he> How 'bout MS-DOG? MesS-DOS. still a leading embedded platform, which shows you how much electrical engineers know. bring me my NERF.BAT and Mirror Shades. I remember when ``Echo Star'' did not refer to a satellite carrier. That's why all the new stupidest ``tecnologies'' are all numbers---that way you can't make fun of them. 802.11b -> BOG.lib. huh huh. uhgh. yeah. I heard there is a project in the works called 802.16 to re-invent Ricochet, except with 1/100th the transmission power, 1000x the speed, and totally intolerant of the slightest interference. Let us begin mocking them now, so we will be prepared three years from now when the standard is complete. -- ---------- Footnotes ---------- (1) In some editors, search-and-replace operations are the only convenient way to make a single change in the text. From dmarti at zgp.org Sat May 11 22:43:56 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net>; from sneakums@zork.net on Sun, May 12, 2002 at 12:46:03AM +0100 References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020511224356.A6905@zgp.org> begin Sean Neakums quotation of Sun, May 12, 2002 at 12:46:03AM +0100: > And you cannot pull out the AC cord because the user manual says that > you must never do so. Holy shit...Microsoft/Tamagotchi, Macromedia/Adboe, Celine Dion/Apple...it's like "all shitheads mess eith each other" week. I like this week. Did anyone see the Unisys site got defaced right before Google crawled them... http://zgp.org/~dmarti/warez/defaced_unisys.html ... so for a while the number one result for a Google search on Unisys had some informative text like "The Defaced.br is very happy for having defaced a site of the UNISYS, defaceds thus that he leaves our auto-esteem in high!" (Unisys must have gotten Google to re-crawl them pretty quick, though.) Greetz to CelineD1ON!!!! (btw, burnallgifs.org is now number 5 for a Google search on Unisys.) -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From carton at Ivy.NET Sat May 11 22:01:41 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 00:46:03 +0100") References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: sn> And you cannot pull out the AC cord because the user manual sn> says that you must never do so. No, they really do have problems like this. It's a slot-loading drive. On the Mac, everything is firmware. Almost all the firmware is loaded off the disk, but some of the more critical firmware routines are stored in SRAM on the real-time clock chip. For example, on some pre-B&W G3s, the machine will fail to boot the first time you turn it on unless it has a certain Forth hack in the NVRAMRC variable. The System Disk control panel automatically sets your NVRAMRC for you, and of course Apple does it for you before you buy the machine. My friend sent his TiBook back to Apple because the slot-loading DVD was making this awful scraping noise and refusing to load CDs and stuff, and Apple said there was nothing wrong with the hardware. They installed new DVD drive firmware onto the hard disk, and that fixed it. -- One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. From carton at Ivy.NET Sat May 11 21:32:46 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Fri, 10 May 2002 20:52:05 +0100") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: sn> a kernel tunable is changed? What's a kernel tunable? -- ``GNOME, launched specifically to counter a threat to our freedom, is the free software project par excellence.'' -- Richard M. Stallman ``C# is, from what I've seen, a rather nice little language.'' -- Joakim Ziegler, Ximian From carton at Ivy.NET Sat May 11 23:11:42 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 12:32:22 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "b" == Bad writes: b> Hey, is that the truth? Damn straight it's the truth. I am a card-carrying member of the Ricochet Advisory Group. Member #13, since 1996. It says, ``please report loss or theft of this card to: Metricom, Inc., (408) 399-8200.'' Go ahead, try the number. It's our secret hotline for when security of the group has been compromised. They used to have these sort of Communist Playboy meetings in their Los Gatos Headquarters. The meeting was held approximately monthly, starting at 23:00 when the moon was waxing-crescent (1/4), but nobody could figure out all that moon phase crap so they were announced the night before by an alternating green-yellow flash of your radio's LED, if you had the Beta firmware. The guy who told me about the meetings said they tried to get the buzzer to play the Communist anthem, you know, ``Arise, ye pris-ners of starvaaaaaaa-shon / a-RISE, ye wretched of the earth / For jus-tice thunders condemnaaaaaa-shun / a better world's in birth,'' but I guess the buzzer circuit was just too lame. Right. so, you had to show your Advisory Group card at the front desk, and then this sexy hostess would come out to escort you to the solarium where they served champagne, Doritos, and Life Cereal. They had a Ricochet-enabled milk dispenser for the cereal, inspired by that finger-able soda machine, remember that? 'finger' was not quite so old back then, in the days before AOL Instant Messenger. On the old network, all the radios had names as well as numbers (mine was named SHAI-HULUD) and radios could call each other through the network with ATDT, old-skool BBS terminal style. Because you could use your Ricochet radio to login to Compuserve and stuff. so if you typed 'ATDT MOLOKO' on the old network, it would tell you the temperature and weight of the milk bag in the solareum milk dispenser. There were about 30 or 40 Advisors, but most of them just came for the party. The marketing guys were really interested in what we had to say---we used to have these hour-long hand-flailing discussions with them. Most of the other advisors were IT directors, but there were a few other weirdos: one weasely guy from Mosquitonet, a rich marijuana czar from somewhere north of the Golden Gate, who I don't think even had a Ricochet radio, a sort of pruny Hugh-Heffner--lookin' guy, and a blue-haired Japanese girl from KDD (as in Au, Tu-ka, and DDI-Pocket) who didn't speak English as far as I could tell, but maybe she was just sick of geeks and neckties hitting on her. Man, that chick used to get _sloshed_. You probably think Japanese girls are all giggly (remember, this was six years ago when Japan was all mysogynist), but that's just _before_ they get drunk. She was frightening, I kid you not. She had some really good ideas for someone who couldn't talk---the ``SX'' radio was her idea. Some of their chief scientists used to come to the meetings, but they were all so tired they just wanted to enjoy the booze and women and relax in the hot tub. The scientists were the best because they were shaped sort of like Sees candies. There were tall skinny ones where you could see their ribs, sort of like the caramel-sliver candies. pear-shaped fat ones, like the standard round-truffle candies. sausage-balloon-shaped fat ones, like the double-wide rectangular solid candies. and lastly a couple of these shifty hunched-over unshaven East German types. All sorts! It was wild, man. And I swear to god the scientists always got the best weed and the best chicks, but they never, _never_ talked about their work for the Company at the Meetings. I still don't know why. And of course they had their ``unlicensed cat,'' which they called Los Catos because of the Japanese girl. Okay, see it's like this. Whenever the cat came nearby and then walked away, someone would say ``no cat!'' and that means everyone has to drink. Stupid fucking cat. What a bunch of psychos. Anyway, I still have dreams about how the Japanese girl used to say, ``No...Ka-To...'' And we were in Los Gatos and I guess Ga and Ka are the same letter in Nipponese except Ga has a little dot or something, so, Los Catos. Yes, the glory days of the Ricochet Empire. And now they've been bought out by dark fiber railroad tycoon wankers in Denver. That's right, Denver. Humiliating. All because they foolishly ignored _me_, Advisor #13. Of course those Stanford MBA dorks who switched them to the nerdy footprint logo couldn't have helped, either. What a bunch of assholes. They ignored ALL my advice, almost as if I were giving them antiadvice. I advised them to set up service in Boulder, Colorado. They built out the entire Colorado front range, covering housing projects, interstates, track-home commuter villages, way out to Broomfield within 10 miles of Boulder. Then stopped. Now guess what city has a wireless freenet project, and what vast wasteland that is Eastern Colorado past Boulder doesn't. Eat my shorts, Metricom fux0rs. Those parties may have kicked ass, but I still *R00L U*!!11!!1111!! -- Klar, Entlueftung, Zuendung, Vorstufe, Hauptstufe. From carlos at laviola.org Sat May 11 23:23:55 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020511224356.A6905@zgp.org> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020511224356.A6905@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020512062355.GB18830@laviola.org> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 10:43:56PM -0700, Don Marti wrote: > Did anyone see the Unisys site got defaced right before Google > crawled them... http://zgp.org/~dmarti/warez/defaced_unisys.html ... > so for a while the number one result for a Google search on Unisys > had some informative text like "The Defaced.br is very happy for > having defaced a site of the UNISYS, defaceds thus that he leaves our > auto-esteem in high!" (Unisys must have gotten Google to re-crawl > them pretty quick, though.) "Brazilian Defacers, around the World!" How can I change my nationality? 0r 5|-|0u|_d 1 ju5+ 4cc3p+ +|-|3 f4c+5 4/\/d d3f4c3 4 51+3 /\/\y53|_f? -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ icq -> bad -|- jabber -> good (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Support Scientology! http://xenu.net From carlos at laviola.org Sat May 11 23:24:53 2002 From: carlos at laviola.org (Carlos Laviola) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512062453.GC18830@laviola.org> On Sun, May 12, 2002 at 01:01:41AM -0400, Miles Nordin wrote: > >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: > One OS to rule them all, > One OS to find them, > One OS to bring them all > and in the darkness bind them. We already knew you were an Emacs user from your mail headers, Nordin. Your sig is so redundant. -- _ _ _| _ _ | _ . _ | _ icq -> bad -|- jabber -> good (_(_|| |(_)_) |(_|\/|(_)|(_| Support Scientology! http://xenu.net From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun May 12 00:01:51 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512070151.GH14254@zork.net> begin Trolldozer for Hire quotation: > What's a kernel tunable? This is why you never get hired as a trolldozer. You come on too strong. Why would I hire you when you come on so strong? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun May 12 00:10:57 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020512071057.GI14254@zork.net> begin Trolldozer for Hire quotation: > They had a Ricochet-enabled milk dispenser for the cereal, inspired > by that finger-able soda machine, remember that? 'finger' was not > quite so old back then, in the days before AOL Instant Messenger. I remember explaining ICQ to people like this: On Windows machines, as well as Macs, you lack any sort of login presence. That's why you need to telnet into a Unix machine to let people know you're online. This whole thing is basically a fancy front-end on top of finger and ntalk, with a big daturbase somewhere keeping track of everything you do and sending it to marketing research companies. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From sneakums at zork.net Sun May 12 03:09:35 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Fwd: WARNING: Spam Mail that crashes KMail on Linux-crypto Message-ID: <6uvg9tbrts.fsf@zork.zork.net> Cantor laugh! -------------------- Start of forwarded message -------------------- Received: (qmail 4691 invoked by uid 501); 12 May 2002 08:05:36 -0000 From: Michel Bouissou Organization: Completely disorganized To: linux-crypto@nl.linux.org Subject: WARNING: Spam Mail that crashes KMail on Linux-crypto Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 10:05:35 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Hi there, The Linux-crypto mailing-list is sometimes abused to transmit spam mail, which is a pity. Couldn't this list be configured so only its subscribers can post, preventing its abuse by spammers ? Well, last night 2 spams were transmitted thru Linux-crypto. The 2nd of these spams, when read in KMail 1.3.2 (KDE 2.2.2), CAUSES THE IMMEDIATE CRASH OF THE X11 SERVER. This spam mail contains some strange "escaped" code. If some KMail developper reads this list, he should take a look at this... -- Michel Bouissou OpenPGP ID 0x5C2BEE8F - Linux-crypto: cryptography in and on the Linux system Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-crypto/ -------------------- End of forwarded message -------------------- -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 4.0 I am a geek. ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------ From justin at soze.net Sun May 12 03:11:33 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512101133.GX13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-12 04:32 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Miles Nordin > >>>>> "sn" == Sean Neakums writes: > > sn> a kernel tunable is changed? > > What's a kernel tunable? Some variable to which you can give the value, "tuna." What did YOU think it was? -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From colin at nonhtmlmail.org Sun May 12 05:08:40 2002 From: colin at nonhtmlmail.org (Colin Wills) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> begin Miles Nordin quote: > [...] Almost all the firmware is loaded off the disk [...] If it's loaded from disk it's software. firmware(x) iff loaded_from_*rom(x) -- /"\ \ / X ASCII Ribbon Campaign - Non HTML Mail / \ http://www.nonhtmlmail.org/ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 05:57:33 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] straight porn In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "10 May 2002 18:24:59 -0400") References: Message-ID: <87elghh6bl.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> -- You are kneeling on a rusty cot. There is a row of small MN> mailboxes here. > TAKE CHINESE WOMAN There is no Chinese woman here. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 06:08:21 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Maybe some sort of pisslet (Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....]) In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "12 May 2002 02:11:42 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: b> Hey, is that the truth? MN> Damn straight it's the truth. Well all right then. I wasn't really questioning your Metricom cred -- more whether you really advised Embedded Javur hoohaw to somebody at some point. Because, hey, why not? 100% Pure Javur, bay-bee! MN> The guy who told me about the meetings said they tried to get MN> the buzzer to play the Communist anthem, you know, ``Arise, ye MN> pris-ners of starvaaaaaaa-shon / a-RISE, ye wretched of the MN> earth / For jus-tice thunders condemnaaaaaa-shun / a better MN> world's in birth,'' but I guess the buzzer circuit was just MN> too lame. The song is called "The Marseillaise" and it was Hitler's national anthem. See the documentary film "Casablanca" for more information. ~Mr. Bad P.S. *I* want to be a Metricom Advisory Board member! I want my goddamn shom-pan-yah. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 06:26:53 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "12 May 2002 00:32:46 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <874rhdh4yq.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> -- ``GNOME, launched specifically to counter a threat to our MN> freedom, is the free software project par excellence.'' -- MN> Richard M. Stallman This is true on so many levels. * It was launched over minor questions about the Qt license, which were later made completely moot. * Soft squishy 3D widgets -- the ne plus ultra of user interface! * The key motto of Gnome is "rewrite everything." It's a Free Software tradition! Because perhaps the multiplication functionality in your CPU can't be trusted. * It has a goddamned ORB, which are a supergreat idea that fix all your problems and nobody every actually wants to use. Instead, they dick around writing their own ORB. * Nobody's really sure what makes Gnome useful, anyways. The widget set? The panel? The XML parser? What part of these things do I want? Actually, which parts actually belong to Gnome? And why is everything labeled "xxxxx32"? * It has a stupid, fey logo. * It's hyped by RMS. * It's HUGE. * It's technically unremarkable. * The results of tens of thousands of programmer-hours is a system that essentially replicates proprietary software functionality, is hard to build, and needs a gamut of other Free Software libs and tools just to run. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 07:34:24 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Maybe some sort of pisslet (Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....]) In-Reply-To: <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr. Bad's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 09:08:21 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87u1pdfn9r.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "B" == Bad writes: B> The song is called "The Marseillaise" and it was Hitler's B> national anthem. See the documentary film "Casablanca" for more B> information. I neglected to mention that, in the 60s, Hitler decided to change the national anthem to a song called "Deutschland Over Alice" by the obscure San Francisco band Jefferson Starship. Featuring sitars, tubas, and "acid rock" guitar, the song's trippy refrain -- "Deutschland Over Alice/When she was 10 feet tall" -- and groovy wind-up bridge -- "Remember/What the dormouse said/Arbeit Macht Frei" -- made it a big hit with the Nazi Youth of the day. When Hitler's regime was finally overthrown in 1989, the national anthem was changed to a poorly-recorded 72-minute-long MP3 of a Westbam DJ set at the Love Parade. And that, my friends, is the rest of the story. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 07:36:10 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <6u7kmacztx.fsf@zork.zork.net> (Sean Neakums's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 19:19:06 +0100") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6u7kmacztx.fsf@zork.zork.net> Message-ID: <87pu01fn6t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "SN" == Sean Neakums writes: SN> A pity it's been dropped from GCC 3. That's IT! I'm FORKING THE CODE. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 07:40:34 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020511181936.GF14254@zork.net> (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco's message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 11:19:36 -0700") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020511181936.GF14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <87lmapfmzh.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MMaPRoSF" == Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco writes: MMaPRoSF> "Lua combines simple procedural syntax (similar to MMaPRoSF> Pascal) with powerful data description constructs based MMaPRoSF> on associative arrays and extensible semantics. Lua is MMaPRoSF> dynamically typed, interpreted from bytecodes, and has MMaPRoSF> and rapid prototyping." MMaPRoSF> Riiiiight... I was bummed to see that the description of the ruby package in Debian has changed to something rational-sounding. It used to say something along the lines of, "Ruby is a language that is more object-oriented than Python," which I just loved. I think I'm going to pop out my Lemur Book and write my OWN goddamn scripting language. It'll have 10 opcodes: h, l, u, g, a, H, L, U, A, and G. I know, that's 7 more than Minsky says we need, but I figure the extra ones will be "syntactical sugar" to make obfuscated programming contests easier. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 07:46:20 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "10 May 2002 18:16:52 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87vg9v3mzz.fsf@enberg.org> Message-ID: <87heldfmpv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: MN> bring me my NERF.BAT and Mirror Shades. I remember when MN> ``Echo Star'' did not refer to a satellite carrier. I remember when GORILLA.BAS was a required component of all operating systems by the FCC. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 08:02:12 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020512062355.GB18830@laviola.org> (Carlos Laviola's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 03:23:55 -0300") References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020511224356.A6905@zgp.org> <20020512062355.GB18830@laviola.org> Message-ID: <87d6w1flzf.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "CL" == Carlos Laviola writes: DM> http://zgp.org/~dmarti/warez/defaced_unisys.html CL> "Brazilian Defacers, around the World!" CL> How can I change my nationality? Har! Hey, so, what the hell is up with the fact that the Unisys front page now has an article about Brazil: http://www.unisys.com/execmag/framesets/atwork1.htm ...AND an article about Web security: http://www.unisys.com/home/cyber-security/default.asp ...right there on their front page? Who are they trying to kid? "Oh, no, our front page didn't get HAX0RED by Brazilians! No no no! We have ARTICLES about Brazil and haX0rs ON our front page. Common misunderstanding, no need to apologize." And what's up with this ridiculous logo? http://www.unisys.com/images/home-anim.gif Some stock multi-culti yuppie photography that occasionally flashes Xclock over someone's head? That's their goddamned EBUSINESS STRATEGO? I think I've seen some of those people as guest columnists on The Onion, too. I could have made that logo in like 30 seconds. And I make logos like this! http://www.zork.net/~mrbad/badvogato.jpg So you see what I'm saying! What the hell is Unisys spending all our GIF taxes on, anyways? Champagne hot tub parties for Miles Nordin? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Sun May 12 15:12:46 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Message-ID: <20020512221246.GK14254@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from Siduri ----- eganorion9@netscape.net wrote: >Or read what Jerry Pournelle has written recently It beats me why anyone would care what Jerry Pournelle has written recently. And I'm his editor. Sid. _______________________________________________ pigdog mailing list pigdog@pighaven.org http://mail.pighaven.org/mailman/listinfo/pigdog ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun May 12 15:25:18 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: In-Reply-To: <20020512221246.GK14254@zork.net> References: <20020512221246.GK14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512222518.GL14254@zork.net> begin Siduri quotation: > It beats me why anyone would care what Jerry Pournelle has written > recently. And I'm his editor. Oh yeah. Let's not forget: http://www.ddj.com/news/fullstory.cgi?id=3145 > "Here in Brazil it is not so difficult to find Cobol programmers," > says TinyCobol project leader Rildo Pragana. "Though most of our > developers are veteran programmers, many of the interested users > are young, excited by the way some strange features of Cobol solve > problems." Ha ha Brazil. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 12 16:33:43 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <87offq7rrm.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> (Patrik Wallstrom's message of "Wed, 8 May 2002 09:49:07 +0200") <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: At 08.23 -0400 02-05-08, Mr.Bad wrote: (---) >I'd kind of like to see an argument on MP's part about why software >should continue to be exempted from lemon laws, though. I mean, if the >argument is, "It'll be bad for the industry," well, I figure most >consumers would say something along the lines of, "Tough shit." >Consumer law has been real tough on the Ponzi scheme industry, too, >but that doesn't mean we're going to repeal those laws. There are very few free car developers making cars that are used by millions. Thinking about it, a lemon law for software would probably turn out to be worse for free software developers than for Microsoft. Microsoft could always shift the cost upon the consumer in competetion with other vendors. Free software developers have no such power and a lemon law would probably scare some good coders away. A lemon law would most probably make the limitation of liability in GNU GPL void. Sure - the liability claims would decline if the software is handed out for free, but this is all pure speculation .-) I just wanted you to think about this from another angle than the "everything that is bad for Microsoft is good for free software" point of view. Well - just some thoughts from the top of my head. Just got home from the crazy city of Vienna, where the homeless sings Johann Strauss instead of Bruce Springsteen. Spent three hours at Copenhagen airport, but they have a pretty neat wireless network. Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From justin at soze.net Sun May 12 17:02:04 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <874rhdh4yq.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> <874rhdh4yq.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020513000204.GA13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-12 13:26 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: > > MN> -- ``GNOME, launched specifically to counter a threat to our > MN> freedom, is the free software project par excellence.'' -- > MN> Richard M. Stallman > > * Nobody's really sure what makes Gnome useful, anyways. The > widget set? The panel? The XML parser? What part of these > things do I want? Actually, which parts actually belong to > Gnome? And why is everything labeled "xxxxx32"? You are being silly. What makes Gnome useful is its userbase. > * It's technically unremarkable. I believe you are mistaken. Whether you believe it or not, the linux kernel is actually part of Gnome, and even though it doesn't necessarily pop when cooked in a microwave, it is often remarked upon out of both love and hate. > * The results of tens of thousands of programmer-hours is a > system that essentially replicates proprietary software > functionality, is hard to build, and needs a gamut of other > Free Software libs and tools just to run. It's not their fault for building a monster when an entire community wants a monster built. You must pay attention to community standards and zoning tolerances or you don't get anywhere. I shouldn't have to point out that fact in a place like this. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From davej at suse.de Sun May 12 17:07:00 2002 From: davej at suse.de (Dave Jones) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020513000204.GA13979@dreams.soze.net>; from justin@soze.net on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:02:04AM +0000 References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> <874rhdh4yq.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020513000204.GA13979@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020513020700.F6101@suse.de> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:02:04AM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: > I believe you are mistaken. Whether you believe it or not, the linux > kernel is actually part of Gnome So I'm a Gnome hacker now ? Great, so now I have to go learn swedish and start signing asses at conferences. -- | Dave Jones. http://www.codemonkey.org.uk | SuSE Labs From mikael at pawlo.com Sun May 12 17:35:40 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <1020872251.1668.1.camel@deck> References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: At 10.37 -0500 02-05-08, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >> Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I >> dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just >> crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. >Actually, Swedish demos were never quite as good as, say, Finnish, >Danish, or even Norwegian ones, from what I remember. Hey, what platform are we discussing? ZX81? >I think the reason the Dutch make so much software despite their porn is >that they balance the porn with pot and Heineken. No, it's the tulips. Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From henrik at enberg.org Sun May 12 17:53:08 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 02:35:40 +0200") References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87offk6f7v.fsf@enberg.org> Mikael Pawlo writes: > At 10.37 -0500 02-05-08, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >>I think the reason the Dutch make so much software despite their porn is >>that they balance the porn with pot and Heineken. > > No, it's the tulips. And it's easier to communicate in machine-code than the guttural mumbling they call a language. -- Yo mama's so stupid, she took the Pepsi challenge and chose Jif. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Sun May 12 17:27:13 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 01:33:43 +0200") References: <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> Message-ID: <878z6oao4e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> Sure - the liability claims would decline if the software is MP> handed out for free, but this is all pure speculation .-) I MP> just wanted you to think about this from another angle than MP> the "everything that is bad for Microsoft is good for free MP> software" point of view. Oh, no, it's not really that at all. I think really that what's important to think is, "Is everything that's bad for Free Software bad for the world? And if not, do I care?" If having some form of legal recourse against cagey shysters is going to raise the quality of software in the world, and make everyone safer, then is it really fair to grouse because it's bad for our little corner of the world? I'm not really saying I think UCITA is going to improve software quality. But what if it did? And in a post-UCITA world, what would Free Software developers do? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun May 12 19:00:16 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <878z6oao4e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <6u1yconces.fsf@zork.zork.net> <87it5zpa2t.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020508074907.GM22923@vic20.blipp.com> <878z6oao4e.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020513020015.GA25072@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Boomtime, the 59th of Discord, 3168, Mr. Bad wrote: > And in a post-UCITA world, what would Free Software developers do? ITYM "What would Brian Behlendorf do?" - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE83x4tjLHcIq3dHxYRAlIEAJwNTZcOJUcFNK2zlFbtSPCcQIP+PQCffzCL D5qJmz00N4XEV83KQkGx94w= =iw4f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From justin at soze.net Sun May 12 20:00:01 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <20020513020700.F6101@suse.de> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <6ubsbndbmi.fsf@zork.zork.net> <874rhdh4yq.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020513000204.GA13979@dreams.soze.net> <20020513020700.F6101@suse.de> Message-ID: <20020513030001.GB13979@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-13 00:07 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Dave Jones > On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:02:04AM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: > > I believe you are mistaken. Whether you believe it or not, the linux > > kernel is actually part of Gnome > > So I'm a Gnome hacker now ? Great, so now I have to go learn swedish > and start signing asses at conferences. The truth sets another crackmonkey free. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From brian at collab.net Sun May 12 21:12:24 2002 From: brian at collab.net (Brian Behlendorf) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] John Lemon plays the guitar In-Reply-To: <20020513020015.GA25072@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020512211141.K43358-100000@yez.hyperreal.org> On Sun, 12 May 2002, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > On Boomtime, the 59th of Discord, 3168, Mr. Bad wrote: > > And in a post-UCITA world, what would Free Software developers do? > > ITYM "What would Brian Behlendorf do?" I'd become Chancellor/Senator of Lake County, that's what. Brian From nick at zork.net Sun May 12 21:24:42 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] Message-ID: <20020513042442.GM14254@zork.net> Now the spammers are subscribing so that they can post. ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- humr0002@tc.umn.edu has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Sun May 12 21:27:11 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: In-Reply-To: <20020512222518.GL14254@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Sun, May 12, 2002 at 03:25:18PM -0700 References: <20020512221246.GK14254@zork.net> <20020512222518.GL14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512212711.A3482@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Sun, May 12, 2002 at 03:25:18PM -0700: > Ha ha Brazil. So that's how they succeeded in storming the bastions of Unisys where so many before have failed. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun May 12 21:36:22 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020513042442.GM14254@zork.net> References: <20020513042442.GM14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513043622.GB25072@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Boomtime, the 59th of Discord, 3168, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Now the spammers are subscribing so that they can post. > > ----- Forwarded message from mailman-owner@zork.net ----- > > humr0002@tc.umn.edu has been successfully subscribed to CrackMonkey. > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- I'm not sure who he is, but I'll see what I can do about having him destroyed. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE830LFjLHcIq3dHxYRAtPRAJ4hZbjZ98gKstFgKHHtBbMNxnH1tgCfQ3Ec +ljzE8c6Pu20oWhvDHZJtkc= =RaXD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Sun May 12 21:45:36 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020513043622.GB25072@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020513042442.GM14254@zork.net> <20020513043622.GB25072@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020513044535.GN14254@zork.net> begin Brian D. Hicks quotation: > I'm not sure who he is, but I'll see what I can do about having him > destroyed. Excellent work. As a reward, I will grant you Emeryville. I'd give you Union City, but I already handed that out. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Sun May 12 22:19:21 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] HAw haw Jerry Pournelle Thom Stark bar stories Message-ID: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> Ha ha sucker punch! ----- Forwarded message from Thom Stark ----- Drunken Idaho suggested: > Or read what Jerry Pournelle has written recently (he's not quite > what you might consider a bleeding-heart liberal, far from it). No, Jerry's not a liberal. He's an alchoholic asshole. I once saw him sucker-punch a guy who had the temerity to disagree with him about the technical viability of Reagan's Star Wars fantasy -- specifically the feasibility of X-ray lasers as a defensive weapon. And, of course, as it turned out, the guy he cold-cocked was absolutely right and Jerry was dead wrong on the merits. But, y'know, I don't really give a flying fuck whose reasoning was superior, because I view breaking a guy's nose as an argumentative strategy that's just a LITTLE hard to defend. Pournelle is a shitheel. As far as I'm concerned, you cite him as a source and you've already conceded the discussion.. Regards, Thom Stark Telephone: 209-966-2700 Email: thom@starkrealities.com URL: http://www.starkrealities.com Postal address: POB 5008 PMB 199, Mariposa, CA 95338-5008 Ship-to address: 5008-A Highway 140, Box 199, Mariposa, CA 95338-9208 PGP public key: http://www.starkrealities.com/thomskey.txt _______________________________________________ pigdog mailing list pigdog@pighaven.org http://mail.pighaven.org/mailman/listinfo/pigdog ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Sun May 12 22:33:06 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] your interests lists Message-ID: <20020513053306.GC25072@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I noticed that your livejournal interests list fails to include "quitting havenco". I find this strange because I know you have expressed interest in this in the past, and there's even a page for this interest: http://www.livejournal.com/interests.bml?int=quitting+havenco - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE831AQjLHcIq3dHxYRAvnsAJ9K1jjwr8rrAYkOyVysBaTSugaucACfRJIO Q0isypORRp56imhjjpYsTsY= =QUmn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dmarti at zgp.org Sun May 12 22:39:12 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] HAw haw Jerry Pournelle Thom Stark bar stories In-Reply-To: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:19:21PM -0700 References: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020512223912.A4297@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Sun, May 12, 2002 at 10:19:21PM -0700: > Ha ha sucker punch! SPACE MERCENARIES don't have time for your liberal rubbish. Send Jerry Pournelle money now! http://www.jerrypournelle.com/paying.html -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From ron at vnetworx.net Sun May 12 23:05:45 2002 From: ron at vnetworx.net (Subjugator of Pt. Jeff & Conqueror of Long Island) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020513043622.GB25072@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020513042442.GM14254@zork.net> <20020513043622.GB25072@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <1021269945.1245.5316.camel@amory> On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 00:36, Brian D. Hicks wrote: > I'm not sure who he is, but I'll see what I can do about having him > destroyed. Once an overlord, always an overlord. Your re-education camps were a model for us all. From rick at linuxmafia.com Sun May 12 23:19:41 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's Greatest Programmer, redux Message-ID: <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> From: the_rear_admiral@hushmail.com Date: Mon Apr 08 2002 - 16:20:37 CDT Subject: Announcing DJBReedBSD To: tech@openbsd.org Greetings fellow BSD4.4 derived operating system users, I am pleased to announce the release of DJBReedBSD! DJBReedBSD combines the forces of single letter variable names, 1983 technology, and extraordinary lameness to bring you the finest operating system in the history of computing. Listed below are some of the features you can expect to see: - Poor coding style for minimal portability. - Maximum use of single letter variable names. - Comes complete with a temporal rift so you to can go back to coding like it's 1983. - Powerful IPF packet filter (note: software distributed under license which allows you to only use if you are gay, wearing a brown shirt and have travelled through time at LEAST once) (note: this is subject to change within the next 3 seconds). Also includes mod_posttomisclikeahomo to take trolling mailing lists off your workload, and off your mind! We have also decided since libc has so many bugs, there will not be one included in the distribution. You are required to write your own kernel interface and string library. From jmorris at intercode.com.au Mon May 13 03:25:01 2002 From: jmorris at intercode.com.au (James Morris) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:53 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The irritating fish. Message-ID: http://www.b3ta.com/fish/ -- James Morris From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon May 13 03:50:04 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's Greatest Programmer, redux In-Reply-To: Message from Rick Moen of "Sun, 12 May 2002 23:19:41 PDT." <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> References: <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Sun, 12 May 2002, "rick" == Rick Moen wrote: rick> Greetings fellow BSD4.4 derived operating system users, rick> I am pleased to announce the release of DJBReedBSD! Darren has managed to pull off more of his inimitable wacky license hijinks? (His obsd 3.0 + ipf is olde news, yes?) -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon May 13 06:19:50 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's Greatest Programmer, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020513131950.GC6363@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Bob Bernstein (rs@bernstein.providence.ri.us): > Darren has managed to pull off more of his inimitable wacky license hijinks? > (His obsd 3.0 + ipf is olde news, yes?) I think you'll find this particular announcement, upon examination, to be of the Poisson d'Avril variety. -- Cheers, "Learning Java has been a slow and tortuous process for me. Every Rick Moen few minutes, I start screaming 'No, you fools!' and have to go rick@linuxmafia.com read something from _Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs_ to de-stress." -- The Cube, www.forum3000.org From rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us Mon May 13 08:15:25 2002 From: rs at bernstein.providence.ri.us (Bob Bernstein) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's Greatest Programmer, redux In-Reply-To: Message from Rick Moen of "Mon, 13 May 2002 06:19:50 PDT." <20020513131950.GC6363@linuxmafia.com> References: <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> <20020513131950.GC6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: >>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2002, "rick" == Rick Moen wrote: rick> I think you'll find this particular announcement, upon examination, to rick> be of the Poisson d'Avril variety. But, then, why here, why now? And what about the children? Think about the children man! -- Bob Bernstein at http://www.ruptured-duck.com Esmond, Rhode Island USA From jeremym at loonix.org Mon May 13 08:27:58 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] World's Greatest Programmer, redux In-Reply-To: References: <20020513061941.GW6363@linuxmafia.com> <20020513131950.GC6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <20020513152758.GH23972@pug.chroot.net> On Mon May 13, 2002 at 11:15:25AM -0400, Bob Bernstein wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2002, "rick" == Rick Moen wrote: > rick> I think you'll find this particular announcement, upon examination, to > rick> be of the Poisson d'Avril variety. > >But, then, why here, why now? And what about the children? Think about the >children man! They are, after all, our future. Teach them well and let them lead the way. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon May 13 09:29:11 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 11 May 2002 12:32:22 EDT." <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <200205131629.g4DGTBso001930@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Sat, 11 May 2002 12:32:22 EDT, "Mr. Bad" said: > Yeah, well, now I'm really into CHILL, pretty much just because the > Gnu Compiler Collection can compile it. It's widely used in European > telecommunications circles, I'll have you know! X.400. X.500. ASN.1. Chill. Quite the track record there. From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon May 13 09:38:13 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) Quoting your rant on anti-virus software Message-ID: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> I'm posting this out of sheer, rampant egomania, of course. ----- Forwarded message from Alexander Bartolich ----- Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 22:20:35 +0200 From: Alexander Bartolich To: rick@linuxmafia.com Subject: Quoting your rant on anti-virus software I am currently writing The Linux Virus Writing HOWTO. On the first page I quote a passage from your rant. A link to the rant in its full beauty is given. In the credits section on the second page you are mentioned with full name, email address, and link to your main site. The purpose of this mail is to inform you first-hand of your "involvement" in such delicate matters. The document itself is available in a few places: http://virus.enemy.org/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ http://www.peacefulaction.org/alba/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ http://tms.dicp.de/~alba/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ http://synflood.at/virus/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ http://www.lwfug.org/~abartoli/virus-writing-HOWTO/_html/ ----- End forwarded message ----- From nick at zork.net Mon May 13 09:56:47 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Moshe Bar >> Jerry Pournelle Message-ID: <20020513165646.GP14254@zork.net> UNDISPUTED FACT! ----- Forwarded message from Siduri ----- eganorion9@netscape.net wrote: >Since Siduri says she's his editor, she might have something more to add, >which I'd be vaguely interested to read. I don't have that much Pournelle gossip. I deal with him through Byte -- Byte.com that is, the sorry remnants of Byte -- which I've only been working on for a few months. He's a prima donna because he knows he can be...He gets his column in late every month and it's usually pretty crappy in my opinion, but all I can do is fix typos and blatant misrepresentations of fact (his review of "Neil Stevenson's _Cyphernomicon_" was pretty fucking painful...) Oh, he threw a fit not too long ago when some jokers decided to spoof his email address and post to the threaded Byte.com discussion forums. He was screaming about identity theft and how he wanted us to dismantle the entire goddamn forums. But he's, you know, Jerry Pournelle. And even though we have vastly better columnists (Moshe Bar is just awesome) Jerry brings in WAY more hits. About ten times more hits, actually. Forget Jerry Pournelle. Everybody should read Moshe Bar (http://www.byte.com/servinglinux/2002/). He's an Israeli kernel hacker, cute as the dickens, smart as a whip, nice as pie. He gets his column in on time. He's not so great with English, so there's always lots of work for me to do with his pieces -- and it's nice to feel needed, especially when the material you're working with is essentially very cool. Actually, the column Jerry just submitted was not bad. He's mad about the DMCA and some other political stuff that's worth ranting about. He goes almost the entire month without rehashing the "I got a new printer and I named it Spot" story. Almost. Not quite. But you know, he's just some guy. I can understand reading about some motherboard that he actually tried out and managed to set accidentally set fire to. That's useful information, I guess. But why would you trust his opinions on the Middle East any more than some other asshole on the street? Sid. _______________________________________________ pigdog mailing list pigdog@pighaven.org http://mail.pighaven.org/mailman/listinfo/pigdog ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 10:05:29 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The irritating fish. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> begin James Morris quotation: > http://www.b3ta.com/fish/ SEND NO MORE FLASH TO THIS LIST. I mean it, shitwad. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 10:08:18 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] HAw haw Jerry Pournelle Thom Stark bar stories In-Reply-To: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> (Nick Moffitt's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 22:19:21 -0700") References: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <877km8c6wt.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: TS> Drunken Idaho suggested: Ha ha ha! *I* prefer to call him "Drunken I-dunno", in a delicious twist. TS> Pournelle is a shitheel. As far as I'm concerned, you cite him TS> as a source and you've already conceded the discussion.. Thom "Starky" Stark, master of the argumentum ad hominem logical fallacy, appearing all week, shows at 7 and 10 with a special midnight performance on Friday and Saturday night. ~Mr. Bad -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:16:10 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online Message-ID: Crackmonkies, A Gnuheter reader reports that the Richard Stallman biography is available online in full-text under the GNU free documentation license. Free as in freedom: http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ GNU free documentation license: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.html Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu Mon May 13 10:13:31 2002 From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The irritating fish. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 10:05:29 PDT." <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> References: <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <200205131713.g4DHDVso002340@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> On Mon, 13 May 2002 10:05:29 PDT, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco said: > begin James Morris quotation: > > http://www.b3ta.com/fish/ > SEND NO MORE FLASH TO THIS LIST. You know, most C programmers understand that 'char foo;' and 'char *foo;' are different. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 10:19:59 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The irritating fish. In-Reply-To: <200205131713.g4DHDVso002340@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> References: <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> <200205131713.g4DHDVso002340@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <20020513171959.GR14254@zork.net> begin Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu quotation: > On Mon, 13 May 2002 10:05:29 PDT, Monkey Master and Prince Regent of > San Francisco said: > > begin James Morris quotation: > > > http://www.b3ta.com/fish/ > > SEND NO MORE FLASH TO THIS LIST. > > You know, most C programmers understand that 'char foo;' and 'char > *foo;' are different. Pick your nits elsewhere, troll. This isn't the Amusing Flash Link Of The Day list. For that, go to fuqn memepool. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From joakim at avmaria.com Mon May 13 10:09:11 2002 From: joakim at avmaria.com (Joakim Ziegler) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <1021309752.1598.1.camel@deck> On Sun, 2002-05-12 at 19:35, Mikael Pawlo wrote: > At 10.37 -0500 02-05-08, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >>> Maybe it's the demoscene that ruined Free Software in Sweden? I >>> dunno. I was thinking about the porn, and the Dutch, they're just >>> crazy about porn, and they still make lots of software. So. >>Actually, Swedish demos were never quite as good as, say, Finnish, >>Danish, or even Norwegian ones, from what I remember. > Hey, what platform are we discussing? ZX81? Mostly the Amiga, and to an extent the PC. As mentioned elsewhere, I don't really know the C64 demo scene. >>I think the reason the Dutch make so much software despite their porn is >>that they balance the porn with pot and Heineken. > No, it's the tulips. You'd think that would make them better at networking, really. -- The Private Joakim Ziegler - Not Speaking For Anyone But Myself ziegler@e.fix.no - http://www.avmaria.com - Radagast@Undernet&GIMPnet http://www.avmaria.com/ - http://www.fix.no/ - http://www.gnome.org/ From sneakums at zork.net Mon May 13 10:25:01 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 19:16:10 +0200") References: Message-ID: <6ur8kgarki.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mikael Pawlo quotation: > A Gnuheter reader reports that the Richard Stallman biography is available > online in full-text under the GNU free documentation license. This is news? I read the goddamned thing online six weeks ago! -- "All the best people in life seem to like Linux." -- Steve Wozniak From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:31:40 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: <6ur8kgarki.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 19:16:10 +0200") Message-ID: At 18.25 +0100 02-05-13, Sean Neakums wrote: >> A Gnuheter reader reports that the Richard Stallman biography is available >> online in full-text under the GNU free documentation license. >This is news? I read the goddamned thing online six weeks ago! I had no idea. It wasn't online when I good the hardcover edition for twenty bucks (including shipping). Do I feel suckered... M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From neale at woozle.org Mon May 13 10:29:32 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (The Troll Under The Ballard Bridge) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] HAw haw Jerry Pournelle Thom Stark bar stories In-Reply-To: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> References: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick Moffitt writes: > ----- Forwarded message from Thom Stark ----- > > I once saw him sucker-punch a guy who had the temerity to disagree > with him about the technical viability of Reagan's Star Wars fantasy > -- specifically the feasibility of X-ray lasers as a defensive weapon. I knew Jerry Pournelle was a cool cat when I read this: Cultural historian Bruce Franklin points out that Pournelle emerged in the 1970s and '80s as "the loudest, most strident voice in science fiction exalting militarism and worshipping in the complimentary cults of the superweapon and the mercenary."1 Along with other hard sci-fi writers (eg. Robert A. Heinlein and Larry Niven) Pournelle was among a group of writers signing a pro-Vietnam War advertisement in the June 1968 issue of Galaxy Science Fiction. Two years later, Franklin points out, Pournelle wrote, with Stefan Possony, a tract called The Strategy of Technology, which argued that American technological superiority should be used to the fullest extent possible to deal with "Communist people's wars." Pournelle and Possony had a technological fix for the war in Indochina: Nuke North Vietnam.2 1 Aldiss, Brian W. and David Wingrove, Trillion Year Spree: The History of Science Fiction, New York: Haddon Craftsmen, 1986, p.104. 2 Aldiss, pp.369-70. From sneakums at zork.net Mon May 13 10:33:00 2002 From: sneakums at zork.net (Sean Neakums) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 19:31:40 +0200") References: Message-ID: <6un0v4ar77.fsf@zork.zork.net> commence Mikael Pawlo quotation: > At 18.25 +0100 02-05-13, Sean Neakums wrote: >>> A Gnuheter reader reports that the Richard Stallman biography is available >>> online in full-text under the GNU free documentation license. >>This is news? I read the goddamned thing online six weeks ago! > > I had no idea. It wasn't online when I good the hardcover edition > for twenty bucks (including shipping). Do I feel suckered... Why? Because you got a nicely bound book printed on real paper that doesn't require hundreds of dollars' worth of hardware to read? -- "Stage 1 - Write Solaris-x86 Stage 2 - .... Stage 3 - Profit!!" -- Martin Donlon From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:33:54 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Antoher news try .-) Message-ID: If you are interested in the latest developments on privacy, free speech, domain names and other IT law issues you should check out Greplaw. Greplaw is a new web site from the Berkman Center at Harvard Law School and is described as 'geeks, laws and everything in between'. Greplaw runs on Slashcode. Greplaw: http://grep.law.harvard.edu/ The Berkman Center: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ Regards Mikael _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From neale at woozle.org Mon May 13 10:34:16 2002 From: neale at woozle.org (The Troll Under The Ballard Bridge) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] HAw haw Jerry Pournelle Thom Stark bar stories In-Reply-To: References: <20020513051921.GO14254@zork.net> Message-ID: Oops, forgot to attribute that. Read more about Jerry Pournelle here: http://home10.inet.tele.dk/terra/pournelle.html -- ~~~~~~~~01234567 <- The *amazing* Tilde-O-Meter! ^ (*: Tilde-O-Meter may not actually amaze.) From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:40:06 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Message for Mikael Pawlo In-Reply-To: <1021309752.1598.1.camel@deck> References: <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <871ycm97mp.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: At 12.09 -0500 02-05-13, Joakim Ziegler wrote: >>>I think the reason the Dutch make so much software despite their porn is >>>that they balance the porn with pot and Heineken. >> No, it's the tulips. >You'd think that would make them better at networking, really. No, but they should know everything about dotcom bubbles. Oh no - I made a tulip market versus dotcom bust analogy, gaaaaarh... hell freezes over... everything is lost... M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:43:08 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: <6un0v4ar77.fsf@zork.zork.net> References: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 19:31:40 +0200") Message-ID: At 18.33 +0100 02-05-13, Sean Neakums wrote: >>>> A Gnuheter reader reports that the Richard Stallman biography is available >>>> online in full-text under the GNU free documentation license. >>>This is news? I read the goddamned thing online six weeks ago! >> I had no idea. It wasn't online when I good the hardcover edition >> for twenty bucks (including shipping). Do I feel suckered... >Why? Because you got a nicely bound book printed on real paper that >doesn't require hundreds of dollars' worth of hardware to read? No, because I got it from Amazon. I would have bought it, but I could have waited a month for it to reach Sweden if I knew that it would be available online so soon. Well, this was quite a boring topic, wasn't it? .-) M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From mikael at pawlo.com Mon May 13 10:45:28 2002 From: mikael at pawlo.com (Mikael Pawlo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) Quoting your rant on anti-virus software In-Reply-To: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: At 09.38 -0700 02-05-13, Rick Moen wrote: >>I am currently writing The Linux Virus Writing HOWTO. (---) >I'm posting this out of sheer, rampant egomania, of course. So - now you have made both the Virus construction course page and Bernsteins Qmail page. I guess that leaves us only with Microsoft Windows support page left for a straight homerun. When will they quote the wireless Rick Moen and on what subject? The bets are up! M _________________________________________________________________________ ICQ:35638414 mailto:mikael@pawlo.com +46-704-215825 http://www.pawlo.com/ From zen at zork.net Mon May 13 11:23:32 2002 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020513182332.GA8617@zork.net> begin Mikael Pawlo uuencoded stream: > No, because I got it from Amazon. I would have bought it, but I could have > waited a month for it to reach Sweden if I knew that it would be available > online so soon. Well, this was quite a boring topic, wasn't it? .-) http://www.powells.com/ -- http://www.georgebox.org - Where I keep all my stuff. http://www.emgnulation.org - Freedom in the emulation community. http://www.robotfindskitten.org - Gaming innovation. george@georgebox.org From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 11:23:33 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] The irritating fish. In-Reply-To: <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> References: <20020513170529.GQ14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513182333.GB1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-13 17:05 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco > begin James Morris quotation: > > http://www.b3ta.com/fish/ > > SEND NO MORE FLASH TO THIS LIST. I think that's text, not flash. I certainly don't have a flash-enabled mail reader. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 11:10:48 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <200205131629.g4DGTBso001930@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 12:29:11 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <200205131629.g4DGTBso001930@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> Message-ID: <87adr3j4uv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "VK" == Valdis Kletnieks writes: Me> Yeah, well, now I'm really into CHILL, [...]. It's widely used Me> in European telecommunications circles, I'll have you know! VK> X.400. X.500. ASN.1. Chill. Quite the track record there. Fuck you, man! If you got a beef with the the European telecommunications establishment, you got a beef with ME, dig? So take your snide insinuations elsewhere. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 11:13:24 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Happy gnu.org Mailman Day! Message-ID: <874rhbj4qj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> That is all. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From nick at zork.net Mon May 13 11:32:39 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [gkm@petting-zoo.net: Microsoft violates Mean Value Theorem] Message-ID: <20020513183238.GW14254@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull From: Greg Rose While investigating a VPN problem, I ran "ping" from a Windows2000 box across a lossy link which crosses the Pacific Ocean 4 times to get the response back to me. Ping statistics for xx.xx.xx.xx: Packets: Sent = 120, Received = 99, Lost = 21 (17% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 550ms, Maximum = 691ms, Average = 468ms So, the average time for those packets is significantly less than the minimum time, eh? They've clearly divided the total time for successful replies by the number of total packets *sent*, not *received*. Smart, huh? It certainly looks like that Windows ping command is much more efficient than the competition! Greg. Greg Rose INTERNET: ggr@qualcomm.com Qualcomm Australia VOICE: +61-2-9817 4188 FAX: +61-2-9817 5199 Level 3, 230 Victoria Road, http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/ Gladesville NSW 2111 232B EC8F 44C6 C853 D68F E107 E6BF CD2F 1081 A37C ----- End forwarded message ----- -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From henrik at enberg.org Mon May 13 11:42:15 2002 From: henrik at enberg.org (Henrik Enberg) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: Happy gnu.org Mailman Day! In-Reply-To: <874rhbj4qj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> ("Mr. Bad"'s message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 14:13:24 -0400") References: <874rhbj4qj.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87sn4v28l4.fsf@enberg.org> "Mr. Bad" writes: > That is all. See! Everything about GNU is bigger and better. -- Yo mama's so fat, when I tried to drive around her, I ran out of gas. From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 11:43:13 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) Quoting your rant on anti-virus software In-Reply-To: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> (Rick Moen's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 09:38:13 -0700") References: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <87znz3hose.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: RM> I'm posting this out of sheer, rampant egomania, of course. So, Rick: first off, I think at 136Kb your FAQ is too big, and needs to be split up into separate files. Second, I think that your answer to the virus question is a little glib. I think maybe one thing you might add is that if a person is _asking_ a question about viruses, then they probably need to educate themselves about security on Linux. When someone asks, "Do I need a virus scanner on Linux?" I think the deeply embedded implicit question is, "Is my Linux box subject to hostile attack?" The answer to this implied question is a definite _yes_. Even a machine that's turned off and stored in a bomb shelter is still subject to _attempted_ ICBM DDOS attacks, and I don't think even NORAD is rated against more than 10,000 or so direct multi-megaton hits. The answer to the second-level implicit question, "Is my Linux box subject to hostile attack in the form of self-replicating code that spreads by attaching itself to executable files or the boot sector (viruses) or by sending itself through email (worms)?" the answer is probably _no_, IF you have taken steps to lower risks of other hostile attacks against your box. And the answer to the very explicit question, "Will a virus scanner increase security on my Linux box?" is that IF you have taken necessary steps to mitigate other risks, the added security will be negligible. IF you have not, you have a lot of other things to worry about. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From rick at linuxmafia.com Mon May 13 12:46:47 2002 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) Quoting your rant on anti-virus software In-Reply-To: <87znz3hose.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> <87znz3hose.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020513194647.GK6363@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Mr. Bad (mr.bad@pigdog.org): > So, Rick: first off, I think at 136Kb your FAQ is too big, and needs > to be split up into separate files. You bet. I wince at how big the damned page has become, incrementally. > Second, I think that your answer to the virus question is a little > glib. Verbose and glib at the same time, agreed. Glib is better than turgid. The verbose part I fret over, though. > I think maybe one thing you might add is that if a person is > _asking_ a question about viruses, then they probably need to educate > themselves about security on Linux. But, really, my background aim is exactly that: to get them to think more realistically about security. I use the concept of viruses as a prime example of something that needs to be put into the context of the overall security picture. Throughout all four of the essays, one of the running threads is "Dude, viruses don't even _rate_." But also that the threat model is different from what people are used to, because the system model and underlying concepts are different. The implication is thus: What you really want to understand is _security_, and quit worrying about trivia like "viruses" [/Trojans/worms]. You'll note that the third essay gets really explicit in that department, pointing out that "Linux worms" (Ramen, Lion, Red Worm, Adore, Cheese, lpdw0rm) consistently operate as _after-effects_ of automated breakin tools targeted at grotesquely outdated and notoriously vulnerable network daemons. In other words, the worm isn't the problem, but rather a parting insult installed after the _real_ problem, the dirt-easy breakin you made not just possible but also inevitable by publishing ridiculously vulnerable network services to the public. So: Don't Do That, Then. > Even a machine that's turned off and stored in a bomb shelter > is still subject to _attempted_ ICBM DDOS attacks.... D00D, I'm probably typical in getting that about a dozen times every day. Like, welcome to the Internet. I could spend my time worrying about that, or worrying about the neighbourhood mosquitos developing miniature hacksaws to use on my screens. > And the answer to the very explicit question, "Will a virus scanner > increase security on my Linux box?" is that IF you have taken > necessary steps to mitigate other risks, the added security will be > negligible. I would say _negative_ rather than negligible. Please note paragraph 5 in the second essay. From carton at Ivy.NET Sun May 12 17:02:52 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Maybe some sort of pisslet (Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....]) In-Reply-To: <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> (Mr.Bad's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 09:08:21 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: >>>>> "b" == Bad writes: b> you really advised Embedded Javur hoohaw Yeah, I really advised Metricom to make a Java keitai for the slow Ricochet I, around '97 i think. DoCoMo and KDDI/Au stole my idea, starting late last year. -- We must teach them to regret their arrogance. -- Richard M. Stallman From carton at Ivy.NET Sun May 12 18:38:48 2002 From: carton at Ivy.NET (Miles Nordin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> (Colin Wills's message of "Sun, 12 May 2002 12:08:40 +0000") References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "cw" == Colin Wills writes: cw> If it's loaded from disk it's software. You should inform Keyspan, Rockwell, QLogic, and the VAX designers about your little firmware dogma. -- A Compaq and his Digital are soon parted. -- Andrew A. Gill From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 18:01:50 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> Message-ID: <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> begin Trolldozer for Hire quotation: > >>>>> "cw" == Colin Wills writes: > > cw> If it's loaded from disk it's software. > > You should inform Keyspan, Rockwell, QLogic, and the VAX designers > about your little firmware dogma. The line between software and firmware is not so easily drawn. Rick Moen would argue that because PalmOS is a bad OS in flash, it's firmware, while MS-DOS (a bad OS on disk) is software. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon May 13 18:37:02 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:01:50PM -0700 References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:01:50PM -0700: > The line between software and firmware is not so easily drawn. > Rick Moen would argue that because PalmOS is a bad OS in flash, it's > firmware, while MS-DOS (a bad OS on disk) is software. Your glib use of the term "OS" here, without bothering to define it, cannot go unchallenged. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon May 13 18:44:46 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020514014445.GD25072@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Pungenday, the 60th of Discord, 3168, Don Marti wrote: > Your glib use of the term "OS" here, without bothering to define it, > cannot go unchallenged. Pistols at dawn it is. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE84GwMjLHcIq3dHxYRAkOLAKDpVLlpJfpnGdk9yAGKB+QyYIErnwCgy0/8 F7clZuggGq9bKlpkKo09Wbo= =w8ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 18:53:14 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:01:50PM -0700: > > > The line between software and firmware is not so easily drawn. > > Rick Moen would argue that because PalmOS is a bad OS in flash, it's > > firmware, while MS-DOS (a bad OS on disk) is software. > > Your glib use of the term "OS" here, without bothering to define it, > cannot go unchallenged. I can nearly guarantee you that any means by which PalmOS or MS-DOS fail to meet whatever definition you are accustomed to is merely an indication that they suck on more levels than mere licensing provisions. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From nick at zork.net Mon May 13 19:00:08 2002 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer Message-ID: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ Who's with me to offer to buy Sam Williams a beer? If he's still in Oakland, we can all meet up at Ben&Nick's. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dmarti at zgp.org Mon May 13 19:18:50 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:53:14PM -0700 References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:53:14PM -0700: > I can nearly guarantee you that any means by which PalmOS or > MS-DOS fail to meet whatever definition you are accustomed to is merely > an indication that they suck on more levels than mere licensing > provisions. So, a quart of tainted potato salad, by virtue of being a bad thing, which sucks, is a bad OS? -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From dmarti at zgp.org Mon May 13 19:20:48 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net>; from nick@zork.net on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:00:08PM -0700 References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:00:08PM -0700: > Who's with me to offer to buy Sam Williams a beer? That should be 2 beers, assuming beers are $3.50 apiece. -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 19:22:08 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <6u1ycickp0.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020512120840.GA2987@dork7.dorkers.com> <20020514010149.GF14254@zork.net> <20020513183702.B29080@zgp.org> <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020514022208.GI14254@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 06:53:14PM -0700: > > > I can nearly guarantee you that any means by which PalmOS or > > MS-DOS fail to meet whatever definition you are accustomed to is > > merely an indication that they suck on more levels than mere > > licensing provisions. > > So, a quart of tainted potato salad, by virtue of being a bad thing, > which sucks, is a bad OS? I'm sorry. Did I say that PalmOS or MS-DOS are potato salad, tainted or otherwise? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From dep at linuxandmain.com Mon May 13 19:22:25 2002 From: dep at linuxandmain.com (dep) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> Message-ID: <200205132222.25848.dep@linuxandmain.com> begin Don Marti's quote: | So, a quart of tainted potato salad, by virtue of being a bad | thing, which sucks, is a bad OS? well, except that it often not only allows multitasking but in fact requires it. it does have ms-dos beat in that regard. -- dep http://www.linuxandmain.com -- outside the box, barely within the envelope, and no animated paperclip anywhere. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 19:24:24 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:00:08PM -0700: > > > Who's with me to offer to buy Sam Williams a beer? > > That should be 2 beers, assuming beers are $3.50 apiece. For that book, I'll buy him a keg! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 19:15:38 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: (Mikael Pawlo's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 19:43:08 +0200") References: Message-ID: <87wuu7jwz9.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: MP> No, because I got it from Amazon. So, do you see any irony in that at all? Hey, who'd chip in to do a small-run vanity-press version of this GFDL'd book? ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 19:20:22 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] (forw) Quoting your rant on anti-virus software In-Reply-To: <20020513194647.GK6363@linuxmafia.com> (Rick Moen's message of "Mon, 13 May 2002 12:46:47 -0700") References: <20020513163813.GG6363@linuxmafia.com> <87znz3hose.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020513194647.GK6363@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <87sn4vjwrd.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "RM" == Rick Moen writes: RM> You bet. I wince at how big the damned page has become, RM> incrementally. It's a tribute to how many dumb questions there are in the world, really. me> I think maybe one thing you might add is that if a person is me> _asking_ a question about viruses, then they probably need to me> educate themselves about security on Linux. RM> But, really, my background aim is exactly that: to get them to RM> think more realistically about security. I use the concept of RM> viruses as a prime example of something that needs to be put RM> into the context of the overall security picture. You've got a fair point. I think I was responding to that in my post. me> Even a machine that's turned off and stored in a bomb shelter me> is still subject to _attempted_ ICBM DDOS attacks.... RM> D00D, I'm probably typical in getting that about a dozen times RM> every day. Like, welcome to the Internet. I could spend my RM> time worrying about that, or worrying about the neighbourhood RM> mosquitos developing miniature hacksaws to use on my screens. I'm not sure I get you. Do you mean that you get that argument all the time, or do you mean that you're literally under ballistic missile attack a dozen times a day? Because that's a lot of missiles. Was this a joke I didn't get? Sometimes I take too many LFPs myself. me> And the answer to the very explicit question, "Will a virus me> scanner increase security on my Linux box?" is that IF you have me> taken necessary steps to mitigate other risks, the added me> security will be negligible. RM> I would say _negative_ rather than negligible. Please note RM> paragraph 5 in the second essay. Hrm. I'm under the opinion that a defense against email worms is kind of in order. I get an awful lot of Klez and Elkern mail, which clogs my itty-bitty bandwith. ~Mr. Bad -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 19:36:51 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mister Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:54 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This Is A Test Of The Emergency Boy Scout Language Message-ID: <877km7pi9o.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> This is only a test. If this had been a real language, it could handle bad crazyness at impossible speeds. ~Mr. Bad ^ +-- ONE LAST BIT OF DIGNITY -- Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ "Well, I fooled you! I fooled you! I got pig iron! I got pig iron! I got aaaaallll pig iron!" From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 19:37:01 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: <87wuu7jwz9.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87wuu7jwz9.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514023701.GK14254@zork.net> begin The Mighty Silverback quotation: > Hey, who'd chip in to do a small-run vanity-press version of this > GFDL'd book? Yeah, maybe after I buy myself an HP1200n and hack on a duplexer. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 19:37:59 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <200205132222.25848.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> <200205132222.25848.dep@linuxandmain.com> Message-ID: <20020514023759.GE1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-14 02:22 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by dep > begin Don Marti's quote: > > | So, a quart of tainted potato salad, by virtue of being a bad > | thing, which sucks, is a bad OS? > > well, except that it often not only allows multitasking but in fact > requires it. it does have ms-dos beat in that regard. But multitasking the potato salad requires multiple serving spoons. How many spoons does it take to run desqview, hmm? -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 19:42:53 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This Is A Test Of The Emergency Boy Scout Language In-Reply-To: <877km7pi9o.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <877km7pi9o.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514024253.GF1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-14 02:36 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mister Bad > This is only a test. If this had been a real language, it could handle > bad crazyness at impossible speeds. > > ~Mr. Bad > ^ > +-- ONE LAST BIT OF DIGNITY ITYM s/ONE LAST BIT/EIGHT LAST BITS/ -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From mr.bad at pigdog.org Mon May 13 19:22:32 2002 From: mr.bad at pigdog.org (Mr. Bad) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Maybe some sort of pisslet (Re: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....]) In-Reply-To: (Miles Nordin's message of "12 May 2002 20:02:52 -0400") References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <87bsbm7ii1.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <878z6ph5tm.fsf_-_@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <87offjjwnr.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: b> you really advised Embedded Javur hoohaw MN> Yeah, I really advised Metricom to make a Java keitai for the MN> slow Ricochet I, around '97 i think. DoCoMo and KDDI/Au stole MN> my idea, starting late last year. I love that! I'm becoming more of a Miles Nordin fan every day. ~Mr. Bad P.S. But what they really need is a SOFTWARE BUS. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mr. Bad | Pigdog Journal | http://pigdog.org/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Every time we hear that a proposal will destroy society as we know it, we should have the courage to say, 'Thank God; at last.'" -- Stafford Beer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From jeremym at loonix.org Mon May 13 19:50:06 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Celene Dion Kills iMacs In-Reply-To: <20020514023759.GE1036@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020511230103.GG14254@zork.net> <20020514015313.GG14254@zork.net> <20020513191850.A29791@zgp.org> <200205132222.25848.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020514023759.GE1036@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020514025006.GE16739@pug.chroot.net> On Tue May 14, 2002 at 02:37:59AM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: >But multitasking the potato salad requires multiple serving spoons. >How many spoons does it take to run desqview, hmm? 4. -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From hick0142 at tc.umn.edu Mon May 13 19:50:17 2002 From: hick0142 at tc.umn.edu (Brian D. Hicks) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] CrackMonkey Movie Script Message-ID: <20020514025017.GE25072@8ball.wox.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 As many of you already know, there is a CrackMonkey movie in the works. Portions of the script have surfaced briefly, and I have recently aquired one such fragment. ======================================================================= 1. CLOSE UP There is a DOMO-KUN sitting on a man's lap. Sticking out of it's mouth is the tail of a KITTEN. We slowly pan out and see the man is talking on a telephone. VOICE Yes, BERT. I understand. The list must be disrupted. Oh, by the way, I was sorry to hear about the Osama poster. I didn't think there were any pictures of you together. As we continue to pan out we notice the man's face is shrouded in shadow. There is yelling coming from the other end of the line, but it is unintelligable. VOICE Sorry, Sir. I will never mention it again. Yes, Sir. I will get to work now. As the DOMO-KUN finishes eating the kitten, the man stands up. We can now see that the VOICE belongs to JUSTIN SOZE. He sets the DOMO-KUN down and walks out. 2. MONTAGE JUSTIN SOZE is pushing a metal cart down long hallways of filing cabinets. There are several cuts of him opening cabinets and taking out thick hanging folders. Several times he'll place a folder on the pile and it will slide off causing a mess of papers. As this sequence continues we focus soley on the folders as they are placed on the pile. Several names like NICK MOFFITT, BRIAN BEHLENDORF, MILES NORDIN, and EVAN PRODROMOU appear. 3. OVERHEAD JUSTIN SOZE is sitting at a desk, pouring over the file folders. JUSTIN SOZE Oh yes. Excellent... JUSTIN SOZE begins laughing maniacally, and we zoom in to see the title of the folder he was looking at. It says: BADVOGATO. 4. CLOSE UP A red warning light is flashing, ad a klaxon is blaring. We pan out to see individuals wearing black shirts, pants and shoes running down the hallway. We flash to a different hallway where the same is happening, then we flash to a third. 5. WIDE SHOT We are in a room which could have once been described as "retro-futuristic". Now, hoever, it is a tangled mess of cables and hacked-together additions. All the lights in this room are glowing red, and the klaxons are still blaring. THE FLOATING HEAD OF SETH DAVID SCHOEN is here, as are NICK MOFFIT, DON MARTI, RICK MOEN, and SIMM AL-AEKRIB. We are in the Crackmonkey Command and Control, or CC&CC NICK MOFFITT Turn that blasted klaxon off! Where's Pedro? The klaxons cease, but the room continues to be lit with a red hue. Then, as if on cue, a mechanized sliding door opens and PETER A. PETERSON walks in. PETER A. PETERSON Sorry I'm late, I swear, that bullet train takes minutes to get here. (pause) What the hell happened? 6. HEAD SHOT, NICK MOFFITT NICK MOFFITT (slowly, after a dramatic pause) SLASHDOT! PETER A. PETERSON Oh Good God! 7. WIDE SHOT, SIMM AL-AEKRIB SIMM AL-AEKRIB is seated in the back of the CC&CC watching the status monitors. SIMM AL-AEKRIB This is no good! Our non-sequitur reserves are down to half, and we're competely out of ad-hominem attacks! 8. WIDE SHOT, NICK MOFFITT, PETER A. PETERSON, and DON MARTI DON MARTI We can't handle this alone, we need to call MR. BAD. PETER A. PETERSON No! He's busy brokering Mideast peace! He said only contact him if there's an emergency! DON MARTI If Slashdot isn't an emergency, then what is? NICK MOFFITT DON MARTI is right! Get me the BAD-PHONE! JORDAN BETTIS enters, carrying an old AT&T black rotary phone on a silver tray. Its handle has been replaced with one which looks like a pigdog. NICK MOFFITT grabs the handle and speaks into the pigdog's crotch. NICK MOFFITT MR. BAD! You're needed! MR. BAD (voice) Listen, I told you this phone is for emergen-- NICK MOFFITT (Interrupting) It's SLASHDOT. Mr. BAD (voice) Oh, I see. I'm on my way. 9. WIDE SHOT, CC&CC NICK MOFFITT is pacing around the CC&CC, waiting for the reinforcements to arrive. Several cuts are made to protray the passing of time. Finally, the re-enforcements arrive. MR. BAD, THE LUMBERJACK DJ, EVAN PRODROMOU and THE MIGHTY SILVERBACK enter, carrying black duffel bags. NICK MOFFITT turns to face them NICK MOFFITT I'm glad you all could make it. Rather than saying anything, they simply drop their duffel bags and open them, revealing in their contents that they are NINJAS. The NINJAS all change into their NINJA outfits, while conceiling various deadly weaponry about their persons. NINJAS (together) REAL ULTIMATE POWER! The NINJAS all go out and kick SLASHDOT WEENIE ass. The NINJAS use their NINJA swords, NINJA stars and nunchucks on the unsuspecting SLASHDOT WEENIES. There are body parts flying everywhere. Eventually the SLASHDOT WEENIES catch on and flee. Everybody starts celebrating, except NICK MOFFITT. PETER A. PETERSON Why aren't you celebrating? Is something wrong? NICK MOFFITT SLASHDOT doesn't just attack out of the blue. Someone must have sent them, and I can't rest easy until I know who. 10. INT - DARKENED ROOM We are facing a wall of televisions showing footage of the battle. Some of the screens are black and white and some are color. In front of the wall is a high-backed swivel chair. Next to the chair is a small table with a phone and some champagne sitting on it. The DOMO-KUN is here, chasing another kitten. The phone rings, and a hand picks up the receiver. There is yelling coming from the receiver. JUSTEN SOZE (voice) I'm sorry I failed you. I did not anticipate that there would be NINJAS. I will not fail a second time. There is more yelling from the receiver. JUSTIN SOZE (astonished voice) MCMAHON? FRATBOY? No BERT, I can do this myself! More yelling JUSTIN SOZE (dejected voice) Yes, BERT. The phone is hung up. JUSTIN SOZE (voice) Damnit, I don't need them crimping my style on top of everything else. - -- Brian Hicks This message would self-destruct in 10 seconds, except I'm not that clever. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE84HtnjLHcIq3dHxYRAoGBAJ9xu8Ma+tab4yPo2PH06Sq61QJYigCgqrX9 7ozvtxvpxR2CsCe9PtIV4YI= =5QYt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jeremym at loonix.org Mon May 13 19:58:10 2002 From: jeremym at loonix.org (Jeremy McLeod) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] CrackMonkey Movie Script In-Reply-To: <20020514025017.GE25072@8ball.wox.org> References: <20020514025017.GE25072@8ball.wox.org> Message-ID: <20020514025810.GG16739@pug.chroot.net> Jesus Christ, don't you have work to do or something? -- Jeremy McLeod jeremym@loonix.org From dmarti at zgp.org Mon May 13 19:59:55 2002 From: dmarti at zgp.org (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net>; from monkeymaster@crackmonkey.org on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:24:24PM -0700 References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020513195955.A30393@zgp.org> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:24:24PM -0700: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > begin Nick Moffitt quotation of Mon, May 13, 2002 at 07:00:08PM -0700: > > > > > Who's with me to offer to buy Sam Williams a beer? > > > > That should be 2 beers, assuming beers are $3.50 apiece. > > For that book, I'll buy him a keg! Yeah, well you'd better check the link here... http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch05.html#53574 -- Don Marti http://zgp.org/~dmarti Help spread accurate information dmarti@zgp.org about Xenu and the Church of Scientology. KG6INA Scientology on your web site. From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 20:05:57 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020513195955.A30393@zgp.org> References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net> <20020513195955.A30393@zgp.org> Message-ID: <20020514030557.GL14254@zork.net> begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > Yeah, well you'd better check the link here... > http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch05.html#53574 Bah! He linked to a dud archive article! What gives? -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 20:08:32 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020514030557.GL14254@zork.net> References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net> <20020513195955.A30393@zgp.org> <20020514030557.GL14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020514030832.GM14254@zork.net> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > Yeah, well you'd better check the link here... > > http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch05.html#53574 > > Bah! He linked to a dud archive article! What gives? Ha ha missing l! -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 20:11:10 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Buy Sam Williams a beer In-Reply-To: <20020514030832.GM14254@zork.net> References: <20020514020008.GH14254@zork.net> <20020513192048.B29791@zgp.org> <20020514022424.GJ14254@zork.net> <20020513195955.A30393@zgp.org> <20020514030557.GL14254@zork.net> <20020514030832.GM14254@zork.net> Message-ID: <20020514031110.GN14254@zork.net> begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > begin Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco quotation: > > begin Don Marti Lives Three Hours from Nowhere quotation: > > > Yeah, well you'd better check the link here... > > > http://www.oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/ch05.html#53574 > > > > Bah! He linked to a dud archive article! What gives? > > Ha ha missing l! Okay, fixed. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:34:43 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514033443.GH1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 15:34 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > Sam "Mackenzie" Phillips grunted: > > > My killfile is bigger than your killfile. Neener neener > > neener. > > > -Thom Schtark > > Yet another 100% content-free message. Well, that just about settles > it on my end, MIZ Phillips. It's obvious that what you try to make up > for in *quantity* of writing, you sorely lack in *quality*. As opposed to your 100% content-free messages, or your *quality*? > I tried to give you a chance, but I can no longer allow you to clutter > up my inbox with this inane prattling. He is DEEPLY HURT. > In short: welcome to my killfile. In short: nobody cares about you. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:36:46 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Re: MSNBC troll In-Reply-To: <87n0v8o98v.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87sn519i45.fsf@enberg.org> <20020509135244.A30849@zgp.org> <87offp9gl5.fsf@enberg.org> <87n0v8o98v.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514033646.GJ1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 05:35 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "HE" == Henrik Enberg writes: > > HE> Uncle Pedro's so ugly, people go as her for Halloween. > > Ha ha ha! See what I'm talking about? Ha ha ha! I see! > You know, I once went to a Halloween party where someone was dressed > as me. It was pretty cool. I was once at a Halloween party where nobody dressed like you. It was pretty cool as well. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:36:00 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] does compiled code equal free speech? In-Reply-To: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87n0vcmvib.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514033600.GI1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-07 04:28 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "DFC" == Douglas F Calvert writes: > > DFC> Can you read byte code just as easy as you can read a word > DFC> processed document? I am not trying to be silly i am > DFC> seriously interested in if there is a difference in the > DFC> levels of expresssiveness. > > For example, the paper rolls for a player piano aren't really visibly > music if you look at them, but if you put them in the piano, they make > a lively tune. The scratches in a record are not really musical until > you play them on a record player. The magnetic schtuff in a magnetic > tape is indecipherable until you put it in a video player. That's not music. You do not know what music is. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:37:00 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] straight porn In-Reply-To: <87elghh6bl.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87elghh6bl.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514033700.GK1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-12 12:57 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "MN" == Miles Nordin writes: > > MN> -- You are kneeling on a rusty cot. There is a row of small > MN> mailboxes here. > > > TAKE CHINESE WOMAN > There is no Chinese woman here. Check in the oven. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:40:39 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] Free as in freedom online In-Reply-To: <87wuu7jwz9.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <87wuu7jwz9.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514034039.GM1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-14 02:15 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > >>>>> "MP" == Mikael Pawlo writes: > > MP> No, because I got it from Amazon. > > So, do you see any irony in that at all? > > Hey, who'd chip in to do a small-run vanity-press version of this > GFDL'd book? > > ~Mr. Bad You're falling behind. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:38:58 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514033858.GL1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 05:47 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > You know, I remember when people were really all super-excited about > Javur. Like, not just dickhead marketing guys, but hackers and > hardcore programmers and stuff. Then again, I'm all old and shit. I remember when java was the rage, and I'm not all old and shit. > I think there are a lot of ex-Powerbuilder programmers now who think > that Javur is just the cat's meow. > > BDH> Java - Compile once- debug everywhere ! > > Oh ho ho! It is to laugh! Such a clever play on Sun's Javur motto! Write once crash everywhere, I believe. > I like to call the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems > "Win-DOSE", because when you use it, it's like you won a whole bunch > of LSD in some kind of hippy lottery or something. GET IT!?! > Win-DOSE!?!?! > > Please do not use this pun as it is the property of me. That's okay. LoseXP is not property of you. Please don't use it. -- Nature has made up her mind that | None learned the art of archery what cannot defend itself shall | from me who did not make me, in not be defended. --R.W. Emerson | the end, the target. --Sa'di From magnus at bodin.org Mon May 13 20:41:20 2002 From: magnus at bodin.org (Magnus Bodin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] This Is A Test Of The Emergency Boy Scout Language In-Reply-To: <20020514024253.GF1036@dreams.soze.net> References: <877km7pi9o.fsf@gaff.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020514024253.GF1036@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020514034120.GG14413@bodin.org> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 02:42:53AM +0000, Darth Troll wrote: > > > > ~Mr. Bad > > ^ > > +-- ONE LAST BIT OF DIGNITY > > ITYM s/ONE LAST BIT/EIGHT LAST BITS/ I think he meant the bit that distinguishes the period from the omnilucent star, sloppy comma, the drunk slash, the wannabe-latino ampersand or the bragging greater-than. /magnus -- #!/usr/bin/perl $SIG{ALRM}=sub{exit;};alarm 5;$r=;if($r=~m#^GET / HTTP/1#i){alarm 20; $L="\010\015";print "HTTP/1.1 200 OK$L\Connection: close$L\Content-type: text". "/plain$L$L\Just another stupid .sig-webserver. The time is ".localtime().$L;} From monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org Mon May 13 20:42:41 2002 From: monkeymaster at crackmonkey.org (Monkey Master and Prince Regent of San Francisco) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [mailman-owner@zork.net: CrackMonkey subscription notification] In-Reply-To: <20020514033443.GH1036@dreams.soze.net> References: <20020504160523.GR19321@zork.net> <6uoffvvpbm.fsf@zork.zork.net> <20020504165726.GI7179@dreams.soze.net> <20020504190104.GY13000@linuxmafia.com> <20020507200458.GA81172@walton.maths.tcd.ie> <20020510075344.GG18562@dasbistro.com> <87offoxbir.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> <20020514033443.GH1036@dreams.soze.net> Message-ID: <20020514034241.GO14254@zork.net> begin Darth Troll quotation: > As opposed to your 100% content-free messages, or your *quality*? This is a great example of, as we say in the industry, missing the point. -- INFORMATION GLADLY GIVEN BUT SAFETY REQUIRES AVOIDING UNNECESSARY CONVERSATION end 01234567 <- The amazing* indent-o-meter! ^ (*: Indent-o-meter may not actually amaze.) From justin at soze.net Mon May 13 20:44:36 2002 From: justin at soze.net (Darth Troll) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:55:55 2005 Subject: [!CrackMonkey!] [harrismh@us.ibm.com: RE: [Klug] For java enthusiasts....] In-Reply-To: <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> References: <20020510030028.GE19455@8ball.wox.org> <87elgko8pv.fsf@tyrell.bad-people-of-the-future.san-francisco.ca.us> Message-ID: <20020514034436.GO1036@dreams.soze.net> commence quote 2002-05-10 05:47 +0000 (authenticity not guaranteed) by Mr. Bad > You know, I remember when people were really all super-exci