[CrackMonkey] FUQ, slavery is back
Seth David Schoen
schoen at loyalty.org
Thu Jan 31 12:32:37 PST 2002
Praedor Tempus writes:
> bOn Thu, 2002-01-31 at 11:27, Colin Wills wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:12:33AM -0700, Praedor Tempus wrote:
> > > Hmmm...that's a poser. The Twin Towers DID blow themselves up afterall. The
> > > N. Koreans are certainly not a threat. And the Iraqi and Iranian govts
> > > actively seeking/developing nukes and bioweapons while also sponsoring
> > > terrorism certainly cannot possibly be a problem. The Al Queda are actually
> > > just performance artists. Sweet, misunderstood performist artists.
> > >
> > > The draft is there just in case. It's existence doesn't mean that it MUST be
> > > used, but that it CAN be used in emergencies.
> > Ok, a threat to democracy does exist in the form of various loons. But is a
> > conscript army the way to deal with a handful of lunatics? What do your
> > generals think about using a conscript army? Not overjoyed I'll bet.
> By that logic, then Sweden is a horrible pit of slaves. How tragic for
> them. My father was a poor slave. He fell in there directly between
> WWII and Korea. It did him good, it does everyone good. Discipline,
> responsibility, thinking about more than yourself, travel, skills you'd
> never gain in any other area, a direct connection to your society, and,
> perhaps, a higher likelihood of taking part in the political process.
I'm very wary of the idea that military service teaches people lessons
about life which are an unalloyed good. There are obviously good and
productive lessons that many people get from military service,
experiences of the things that you mention and experiences of
interdependence and co-operation and camaraderie.
On the other hand, people also learn lessons about obedience and
commanding, following and giving orders -- about fitting in, about
working within a system, about subjecting one's self to someone else's
designs and purposes, about the cheapness (not sanctity) of the
individual will and choice. There are lessons about hierarchies and
chains of command, about following established procedures.
There are lessons about giving up rights and freedoms, having and
expecting fewer legal protections, being forbidden to speak and to
question certain things at certain times.
There are lessons about the use of force and violence -- not only the
techniques of using them, but also their legitimacy, their relevance,
and their appropriateness. There are lessons in nationalism.
Military forces are impressive -- and scary. The idea that they are
an ideal source of personal development (and maybe, then, a model for
other parts of life) is troubling. People who take up arms in a
military organization are playing with some dangerous things, and I
don't only mean their weapons.
Seth David Schoen <schoen at loyalty.org> | Reading is a right, not a feature!
http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/ | -- Kathryn Myronuk
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