From derek at usfca.edu Mon Mar 1 10:34:09 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] cnbc + linuxexpo Message-ID: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu> Just saw a fairly large piece on Linux World Expo on CNBC's Powerlunch. Painted a really great picture and very prominently mentioned VA Research at least twice. Intel deal? Also chock full of quotes from Gartner Group folks about how Linux was a serious contender in the server market place, etc.. General stuff about the IBM/Redhat deal and the standard Oracle stuff too. Wall street eats this shit up. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Tue Mar 2 09:27:04 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] ahahaha Message-ID: <19990302092704.C21041@requiem.geecs.org> ------- start of forwarded message ------- Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny.reruns From: charleen@cinnamon.ads.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna Stoner) Subject: Men's minds Keywords: computer, smirk, pun, originally appeared in third quarter, 1990 The other morning, my husband leapt out of bed, eager to finish installing the new window system on our home workstation. "You men," I sighed. "All you ever think about is X." -- rec.humor.funny.reruns is a moderated newsgroup. If you are seeing postings in the group other than the repostings from netfunny.com then your site's software is misconfigured. Write your site's admin (usenet@yoursite) and ask them to make sure RHF and RHF.reruns are configured as "moderated." ------- end of forwarded message ------- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 2 12:02:14 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] cnbc + linuxexpo In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu>; from Derek Vadala on Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:34:09AM -0800 References: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <19990302120213.D6074@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:34:09AM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > Just saw a fairly large piece on Linux World Expo on CNBC's > Powerlunch. Painted a really great picture and very prominently > mentioned VA Research at least twice. Intel deal? Also chock full of > quotes from Gartner Group folks about how Linux was a serious > contender in the server market place, etc.. General stuff about the > IBM/Redhat deal and the standard Oracle stuff too. Wall street eats > this shit up. http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/expo/lw-moffitt-1.html -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Mar 1 15:31:38 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] cnbc + linuxexpo In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu> References: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <199903012331.AAA00898@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Derek Vadala writes: Now is the time to abandon the Linux mainstream for Forth's sake. Or, FPGA hacking, anyone? 'gene > Just saw a fairly large piece on Linux World Expo on CNBC's Powerlunch. > Painted a really great picture and very prominently mentioned VA Research > at least twice. Intel deal? Also chock full of quotes from Gartner Group > folks about how Linux was a serious contender in the server market place, > etc.. General stuff about the IBM/Redhat deal and the standard Oracle stuff > too. Wall street eats this shit up. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 2 16:21:37 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The devil it isn't! Message-ID: <19990302162137.E14975@zork.net> http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER16 I feel this adequately covers the issues raised below. GAR. ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:24:04 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey fuller@metalab.unc.edu Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- fuller@metalab.unc.edu has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From fuller at metalab.unc.edu Tue Mar 2 17:00:39 1999 From: fuller at metalab.unc.edu (Adam Fuller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The devil it isn't! In-Reply-To: <19990302162137.E14975@zork.net> Message-ID: So what are you trying to say? -- /*---------------------------------------------------------------------* * adam fuller http://www.redcap.org * * Metalab Unix System Administrator http://metalab.unc.edu * *---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ On Tue, 2 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER16 > > I feel this adequately covers the issues raised below. > > GAR. > > ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- > > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:24:04 -0800 > To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net > From: Majordomo@zork.net > Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey fuller@metalab.unc.edu > Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net > > -- > > fuller@metalab.unc.edu has been added to crackmonkey. > No action is required on your part. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and > unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good > engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to > itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 2 23:22:22 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Evan goes batshit! Message-ID: <19990302232222.A18912@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from evangelo@pigdog.org ----- NICK MOFFITT IS SHITHOUSE CRAZYE!!!!!!1!!!!1! There is no other explanation for his ENTIRELY BAD AND WRONG reports from LinuxWorld Sexpo. http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/expo/lw-moffitt-2.html I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE how much Spock Mountain crap he has in there. IT'S FANTASTICO! I love this shit!!! So, my question is: Is anyone else up for taking a trip down to San Jose on Thursday to do a FULL BODY PRESS SPOCK MOUNTAIN ASSAULT ON LINUXWORLD SEXPO!?!?!!?! Actually, FUCKIT!! Who cares what anybody else thinks?!?! I am hereby declaring that: *** T H U R S D A Y N I G H T I S P I G D O G N I G H T *** A T {A L O C A T I O N T B D B U T D E F I N I T E L Y D O W N I N S A N J O S E *** N E A R L I N U X W O R L D S E X P O} *** The last day of a tech show is the ABSOLUTELY BAD CRAZIEST. All the LAMRS have headed home, the show floor will be empty, and the MADNESS AND FEAR COME HOME TO ROOST. And that means only one thing: A visit from SPOCK MOUNTAIN RESEARCH LABS!!!!! Here is my fabulous plan: North Bay People will convene on Thursday at 1 PM in San Francisco at our favorite convening spot, Zeitgeist. Thence we will travel POSTEY-HASTEY to LinuxWorldExpo. SMRL LAB COATS MANDATORY!! PROSECUTORS WILL BE VIOLATED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. Don't be a suckhead. People who don't want to come to San Francisco can just go straight to LWX. Your fucking dime, man. Upon arrival, we will arrange a meeting place with all BAD PEOPLE OF THE FUTURE including Trevor "Fuckhead" Johnson and as much of the Linux mafia as wants to hang out with us. COOL. We will then walk around and bug people. We'll then get bored and go order a lot of greyhounds and run up Nick Moffitt's tab at the convention center bar. AFTER EVERYTHING SHUTS DOWN, we will run like weasels to {some APPROPRIATE BAR TO BE NAMED SHORTLY}. Hopefully Gar can figure out a good one to go to. I dunno. We will then do crazy things!!! All kinds of crazy!!!! I mean it!!! If you can't make it to the Sexpo, you will join us at {the bar}. We will have much fun!!! Maybe JED WILL BRING HIS SHOTGUN and we can go shoot at signs on the county roads. YEEEE-HAW!!!! Anyone who isn't coming to this is FULL OF FUCK and can eat my ASSSSSSS. This is going to be SO GODDAMN FUN YOU'LL SWEAT BLOOD. Weird Linux at the HEART OF THE INSANE. Hopefully we'll find those two bad Linux guys and KICK THEIR ASS. I HATE THEM!!!!!! Here are the list of people who have to come: * Everybody OK, so that settles it. TNiPNa Linux Sexpo!!!! Woo-hoo!!! ~ESP ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Wed Mar 3 00:28:39 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [svlug] Re: [crackmonkey] cnbc + linuxexpo In-Reply-To: <19990302120213.D6074@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 12:02:14PM -0800 References: <4.1.19990301103039.0363d690@soundwave.usfca.edu> <19990302120213.D6074@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990303002839.A26810@requiem.geecs.org> [on crackmonkey only] Nick Moffitt writes: > On Mon, Mar 01, 1999 at 10:34:09AM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > > Just saw a fairly large piece on Linux World Expo on CNBC's > > Powerlunch. Painted a really great picture and very prominently > > mentioned VA Research at least twice. Intel deal? Also chock full of > > quotes from Gartner Group folks about how Linux was a serious > > contender in the server market place, etc.. General stuff about the > > IBM/Redhat deal and the standard Oracle stuff too. Wall street eats > > this shit up. > http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/expo/lw-moffitt-1.html Nick rules! His essay makes me really sorry I missed that dinner, as well as impressed at his writing, which was both done in a very short time interval and really rather engrossing (though it probably helps a little that I know many of the people involved). But the particularly wonderful part is what Nick himself says he had to say to RMS: While Stallman becomes quite frustrated at the fact that the press seem only to go back to 1991 in Helsinki to explain the history of Linux, I find it a little misleading to go only as far back as 1984 in Cambridge. One could easily also credit BSD by going back to 1977 in Berkeley, or show the hacker spirit in action as far back as 1969 in New Jersey at Bell Labs. Stallman listened politely as I informed the man of the giveaway magtapes labeled "Love, ken", the photocopied editions of Lions' Commentary on the Unix 6th Edition Source Code, and the Net/2 and 4.4BSDLite freely modifiable redistributable release of Berkeley Unix. "According to Marshall Kirk McKusick," I pointed out. "the Net/2 release was only possible because the hacker community saw the need to create a free OS to continue the tradition of sharing and hacking. In many ways, BSD wouldn't have happened the way we know it if it hadn't been for the GNU project." I think I received some kudos for this, and Stallman even asked to see the essay I had slapped together (an early draft is available at crackmonkey.org) on this subject. Part of the aim of discussing freedom, I argued, is to convince the other person that the freedoms in question are natural and necessary. My goal is to point out that the 1980s were a hiccup--a short Dark Ages in the history of computing. A brilliant and successful coup, I think, in the interpretation of computing history. (For one thing, RMS wants to point out that ESR didn't invent "the Open Source development model"; what better way to do so than to point out that RMS himself didn't invent said model?) Taking to heart Matt Welsh's out-of-context comments from an error-laden Wired News article, I'd like to suggest the following way of thinking about this "Dark Ages" decade (in which I, like many people, grew up entirely shielded from the larger Unix culture ESR describes in "A Brief History of Hackerdom"): The Dark Ages happened when the corporate world began to try to turn the computer industry into a run-of-the-mill, mainstream "industry" -- while neglecting to learn about the communities which had originally produced much of the technology, and disregarding (largely from ignorance) the values of these communities, including freedom, openness, and technical excellence. (Even those hackers who disagree strongly with Richard Stallman's philosophies of software do nonetheless have an instinctive sense of the desirability of freedom.) The 1990s mark the moment when these communities first re-asserted themselves and their values, and started to become prominent enough to be noticed again. (That's my attempt at a general summary, based on Matt's point that we don't dislike business -- we just want it to show respect to us.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 3 08:30:08 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The devil it isn't! In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Fuller on Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 08:00:39PM -0500 References: <19990302162137.E14975@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990303083008.D18912@zork.net> On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 08:00:39PM -0500, Adam Fuller wrote: > > So what are you trying to say? I'm tryin' to say that Majordomo is a filthy lying bastard, and I'll no longer tolerate his GAR-inducing bilestuff! His lies spread to the four corners of the Earth, and his mother dresses him funny! Welcome to CrackMonkey. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at housing.wwu.edu Wed Mar 3 14:00:26 1999 From: katy at housing.wwu.edu (Katy Calbreath) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:12 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word Grammer check Message-ID: <04A50BBDA9ACD111BDBB006008396D48360A2A@olympus.housing.wwu.edu> Amusing.... > -----Original Message----- > From: Iain Davidson > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:53 PM > To: HITS > Subject: Humor: Word Grammer check > > Follow these instructions closely: > 1. Open Microsoft Word > 2. Type the following sentence "I'd like to see Bill Gates dead" > 3. Highlight the entire sentence > 4. Press the shift key and the F7 key. (This displays the > Thesaurus dialog box) > (The Thesaurus offers the replacement: "I'll drink to that") ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 4 16:49:50 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [evangelo@pigdog.org: [Pigdog] Overheard at LinuxWorld Sexpo] Message-ID: <20190304164950.B1125@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from evangelo@pigdog.org ----- OK, I did a lot of networking and stuff down at LinuxWorld Sexpo today... My favorite quote was one I overheard: "Rick Moen is the Reverend Al Sharpton of Linux." Sounds pretty dead-on to me. ~ESP ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Fri Mar 5 01:43:10 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word Grammer check In-Reply-To: <04A50BBDA9ACD111BDBB006008396D48360A2A@olympus.housing.wwu.edu>; from Katy Calbreath on Wed, Mar 03, 1999 at 02:00:26PM -0800 References: <04A50BBDA9ACD111BDBB006008396D48360A2A@olympus.housing.wwu.edu> Message-ID: <19990305014310.W26810@requiem.geecs.org> Katy Calbreath writes: > Amusing.... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Iain Davidson > > Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 1999 5:53 PM > > To: HITS > > Subject: Humor: Word Grammer check > > > > Follow these instructions closely: > > 1. Open Microsoft Word > > 2. Type the following sentence "I'd like to see Bill Gates dead" > > 3. Highlight the entire sentence > > 4. Press the shift key and the F7 key. (This displays the > > Thesaurus dialog box) > > > (The Thesaurus offers the replacement: "I'll drink to that") However, this turns out to be the case for any sentence beginning "I'd like to see" (as can easily be verified if you actually have Word). "I'd like to see a Windows Refund." "I'd like to see an elementary proof of Fermat's Last Theorem." "I'd like to see a convenient way to commute to Mountain View from Berkeley without a car." "I'd like to see how a solar array power tracker works." "I'd like to see IPv6 deployed all around the world." "I'd like to see my friend Hyacinth again." "I'd like to see Larry Wall's talk at the next LinuxWorld Expo." "I'd like to see peace on Earth and good will towards men." ("We're the NSA. We don't do that sort of thing.") Any of these sentences should produce the recommended substitution "I'll drink to that". -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Fri Mar 5 01:47:00 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [msinatra@uclink4.berkeley.edu: Meeting Reminder and Addendum] Message-ID: <19990305014700.X26810@requiem.geecs.org> And that's not all... ----- Forwarded message from Michael Sinatra ----- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 11:35:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Sinatra Subject: Meeting Reminder and Addendum Once again, the Night of 100 Micronet Stars will be held March 9, 1999, 10am-12pm in 775A-B Tan Hall. Tan Hall is a tan-colored building located south-east of Evans Hall, a large white building that used to be made out of concrete. Our starting lineup is as follows: Kathleen Satz and Kenny Yip, discussing the impending rollout of BAI. Gordon Adams, talking about the new Social Science Computing Lab. (NEWLY ADDED): Karen Gibbons (Chancellors Office Info Sys) and Richard Henderson (Haas School), presenting a report on the advantages and disadvantages of computer leasing. I think many departments will be interested in this. (ALWAYS THERE:) Me, droning on about boring announcements. Yours, Michael & Myriam ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 5 13:07:19 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [oclug] Y2K Glitch hits already. (fwd) Message-ID: I thought this was pretty twisted. What year has 19 months anyway? _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "And Gates is no longer the techno-genius with a lock on the future. His face appears on fewer magazines; a few weeks ago, his publicists were reduced to booking him on Martha Stewart's TV show." -- Jon Katz, Silicon Valley News ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 13:04:12 -0800 From: James Rulison Reply-To: oclug@netus.com To: oclug@netus.com Subject: [oclug] Y2K Glitch hits already. Mail call, I went to pick up my mail at the mail box and recieved a Y2K glitch. I recieved a letter from the DMV explaining to me that my registration of a 1992 Buick was delinquent. Well first off I didn't own this car anymore, so then I started look through the letter to see if I can find a phone number when I discovered a little gem. The Registration Expiration date was 19/19/1919 seems to me that the DMV has a little date problem. I called and mentioned it to the clerk she explained to me that it must have been a type 'O' so I asked "Don't these messages get generated by a computer?" "Of course!" she replyed. So I can't wait to see how well our records are kept come next year when we really do hit Y2K. Well I figured you would all get a little kick out this. James ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 5 13:00:43 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey deirdre@deirdre.net] Message-ID: <19990305130043.I1697@zork.net> Well GAR on a stick! SpudMonkey has finally joined up with us! So, Dierdre, let's get them monkeynames up here so's I can set up the mail aliases. Hell, let's even give Mr. Sunsite^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMetalab a name! ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 16:20:03 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey deirdre@deirdre.net Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- deirdre@deirdre.net has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 5 13:06:39 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Hubris Message-ID: <19990305130639.J1697@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from "Wendy, Queen of the Nile" ----- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1999 15:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Wendy, Queen of the Nile" To: pigdog-l@arlington.com Subject: Re: [Pigdog] We Provide Spock-Based Linux Solutions to the Enterprise In-Reply-To: Reply-To: pigdog-l@arlington.com On 4 Mar 1999, ESP wrote: > JESUS, Nick is completely on a roll. I have to agree with you on this one, Evan. I don't know who any of these people Nick keeps writing about are, and, for the most part, I don't give a hoot about Linux, but I've read this whole series of articles and they're damn entertaining. Nick, you're a great writer -- you have my respect and admiration. Wendy Thorpe pottymouth: http://www.arlington.com/~pmouth Wendolonia: http://users.lanminds.com/~daisy ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 5 13:07:00 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] More Hubris Message-ID: <19990305130700.K1697@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from P a u l Guth ----- Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 15:24:23 -0800 From: P a u l Guth X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) To: pigdog-l@arlington.com Subject: Re: [Pigdog] We Provide Spock-Based Linux Solutions to the Enterprise Reply-To: pigdog-l@arlington.com I must concur with Evan's assessment; these linuxworld reports are sheer genius. pigdoggery of the highest quality. hip hip. I'm so proud I think I'll be there at 7. ESP wrote: > > JESUS, Nick is completely on a roll. Now I feel REALLY REALLY REALLY > BAD for not showing up to the show. He's probably looking around for > us despondently RIGHT NOW. I'm sorry we're not there to run up his > tab. > > But check out this incredible report: > > http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/expo/lw-moffitt-4.html > > Nick is a Spock Mountain MADMAN. I love him. I love the fact that he > drops HUGE SMRL STUFF all the time in these totally unrelated > articles. David Cassel couldn't find room in his articles on Burning > Man for SMRL, even though he WENT THERE WITH SMRL. I mean, hey! > > I think it would be cool if Tjames started putting Pigdog stuff in his > reviews for amazon.com. Like, "The criminal was as amoral and > ingenious as Spock Mountain Research Labs' founder, Jed Sanders." > > Nick, I hope you got the news about Original Joe's. You're a real > mensch and a much better journalist* that David Cassel will ever be. > > ~ESP > > * If you define "journalism" as "mentioning Pigdog." -- ______________________________________________________________________ P a u l g@wired.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 5 17:28:19 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] CrackChickens! Message-ID: As Rick (aka ScratchMonkey) and I were driving our respective cars to San Francisco last night, he pulls off the freeway and starts driving (suddenly and mysteriously) on surface streets. He pulls over and tells me that a car and a truckload full of chickens had a collision and, as the chickens (no doubt both alive and departed) were littered about the freeway, we had to take a detour. Circuitous doesn't even begin to cover it! A real crackmonkey event, particularly when Rick drove on a section of closed road and made a sudden right...I almost didn't see the gaping pit in time. I catch up behind him and the *second* of the police cars of the night's trip pulls up ominously behind me. He weasled his way in between Rick and I and I had to pull a very crackmonkey-like Vermont sumo driver move to manage to get on the freeway behind Rick. For some reason (perhaps the move was so incredible the cop missed it entirely?), he didn't follow. Odd, I think. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, was it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evan at coursenet.com Fri Mar 5 20:03:55 1999 From: evan at coursenet.com (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Deirdre Saoirse's message of "Fri, 5 Mar 1999 17:28:19 -0800 (PST)" References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Deirdre" == Deirdre Saoirse writes: Deirdre> "This is Linux's coming-out party" Deirdre> -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's Deirdre> coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote Deirdre> "What, was it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote You may have heard talk that Linux was "outed" by the radically queer activist *BSDs, who felt that Linux was doing a disservice to other gay operating systems by acting as if it is "shameful" or "wrong" for an OS to be gay. There was talk that Linux wasn't providing a strong gay role model to younger gay operating systems. This is distinctly untrue. The *BSDs have been very supportive of Linux during this difficult time, providing Linux with pamphlets and other resources as well as an open socket at the other end of the Ethernet cable when Linux was going through some kernel panics late at night trying to deal with these confusing new emotions. True, they were particularly emphatic in encouraging Linux to "come out," but there was no threat or force involved. Linux first started understanding that it was a "different" OS a few months ago. It spoke to friends about having strange feelings and attractions and expressed doubts that it may be a bi or bi-curious OS. Soon, after some real heart-to-hearts with its best friend, Rick Moen, Linux understood that it was only fear that made it hold on to society's expectations of what an OS was supposed to be, and that the only ideals it had to be true to were its own. Linux understood that, yes, it was gay, and yes, it was proud. The hardest hurdle, as usual, was coming out its father. Linus blamed himself, of course -- as a single parent to a very young OS, he felt that perhaps he had done Linux wrong by raising it largely in the company of strange, bearded men with loose morals. Linux pointed out that it was gay on the inside -- you can't _make_ an OS gay. And who cares, anyway? It was happy to be a gay OS, to be free and proud. There was no blame to be given. Linus remained unsure and suggested therapy or debugging. But after a difficult first few steps, Linus joined PFLAGOS (Parents and Friends of Lesbian and Gay Operating Systems). He's come around 180 degrees, supporting Linux every step of the way. As he said at a recent All The Kernels of the Rainbow Rally, "I just want to say that I... >sob<... I love my big gay operating system!" Since then, Linux has been on a roll! True, some vendors have backed down in their support of Linux out of fear of retaliative boycotts by the Christian Right, but in general the community has rallied to Linux's side. I think Linux put it best in its keynote speech at Linux World Expo (excerpted by permission): I am free to be me -- to love who I want, to express myself how I want. This is my coming-out party. And today we send a message to the world. We're saying that it doesn't matter if an operating system is gay or straight, lesbian, bisexual, or even transgendered. What matters is what's under the hood. We have so much to be proud of today. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Fri Mar 5 20:35:16 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh that was so bad. On 5 Mar 1999, Evan Prodromou wrote: > >>>>> "Deirdre" == Deirdre Saoirse writes: > > Deirdre> "This is Linux's coming-out party" > Deirdre> -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's > Deirdre> coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote > Deirdre> "What, was it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote > > You may have heard talk that Linux was "outed" by the radically queer > activist *BSDs, who felt that Linux was doing a disservice to other > gay operating systems by acting as if it is "shameful" or "wrong" for > an OS to be gay. There was talk that Linux wasn't providing a strong > gay role model to younger gay operating systems. > > This is distinctly untrue. The *BSDs have been very supportive of > Linux during this difficult time, providing Linux with pamphlets and > other resources as well as an open socket at the other end of the > Ethernet cable when Linux was going through some kernel panics late at > night trying to deal with these confusing new emotions. True, they > were particularly emphatic in encouraging Linux to "come out," but > there was no threat or force involved. > > Linux first started understanding that it was a "different" OS a few > months ago. It spoke to friends about having strange feelings and > attractions and expressed doubts that it may be a bi or bi-curious OS. > Soon, after some real heart-to-hearts with its best friend, Rick Moen, > Linux understood that it was only fear that made it hold on to > society's expectations of what an OS was supposed to be, and that the > only ideals it had to be true to were its own. Linux understood that, > yes, it was gay, and yes, it was proud. > > The hardest hurdle, as usual, was coming out its father. Linus blamed > himself, of course -- as a single parent to a very young OS, he felt > that perhaps he had done Linux wrong by raising it largely in the > company of strange, bearded men with loose morals. Linux pointed out > that it was gay on the inside -- you can't _make_ an OS gay. And who > cares, anyway? It was happy to be a gay OS, to be free and proud. > There was no blame to be given. Linus remained unsure and suggested > therapy or debugging. > > But after a difficult first few steps, Linus joined PFLAGOS (Parents > and Friends of Lesbian and Gay Operating Systems). He's come around > 180 degrees, supporting Linux every step of the way. As he said at a > recent All The Kernels of the Rainbow Rally, "I just want to say that > I... >sob<... I love my big gay operating system!" > > Since then, Linux has been on a roll! True, some vendors have backed > down in their support of Linux out of fear of retaliative boycotts by > the Christian Right, but in general the community has rallied to > Linux's side. I think Linux put it best in its keynote speech at > Linux World Expo (excerpted by permission): > > I am free to be me -- to love who I want, to express myself > how I want. This is my coming-out party. And today we send a > message to the world. We're saying that it doesn't matter if > an operating system is gay or straight, lesbian, bisexual, or > even transgendered. What matters is what's under the hood. We > have so much to be proud of today. > > ~ESP > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > -------------------- This space for rent ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From muse at zork.net Sat Mar 6 08:55:24 1999 From: muse at zork.net (SpiceMonkey) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey deirdre@deirdre.net] In-Reply-To: <19990305130043.I1697@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:00:43PM -0800 References: <19990305130043.I1697@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306085523.A10321@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:00:43PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Well GAR on a stick! SpudMonkey has finally joined up with > us! So, Dierdre, let's get them monkeynames up here so's I can set up > the mail aliases. Hell, let's even give Mr. > Sunsite^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMetalab a name! _What_ other monkeynames? So far, I'm aware of ScratchMonkey, JediMonkey, BierMonkey, SpudMonkey, HappyMonkey, HashMonkey, and maybe even a SnowMonkey. I'm guessing that there probably is a Beard(ed)Monkey, too. Are there more? By the way, I was thinking that "NobleMonkey" might be a good name for the monkey we were otherwise going to call "NiceMonkey" or "HonestMonkey." I'm considering changing my monkeyname soon. I feel so unanonymous now. I guess that's what happens when you hang out at trade shows with lots and lots of monkeys. (This leads to the larger philosophical question of whether or not it is possible to have "too many monkeys." I think I'm starting to understand why Nick was so opposed to allowing individual monkeynames, but my instinct tells me that you can never have too many monkeys, as long as they're free. Freemonkeys!) Soon we'll have to have our own CrackMonkey Conference & Expo. Is everyone aware of the fact that our beloved head CrackMonkey has a birthday tomorrow? Happy Birthday, Nick! SpiceMonkey ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Sat Mar 6 11:26:24 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What Cmdr. Taco looks like Message-ID: <19990306112624.D3103@hugin.imat.com> http://www.abisource.com/~abi/lwce1.phtml Left column, fifth from the bottom. Looks like one of the Happy Shiny People[tm]. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Mar 6 11:30:53 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Katy wrote: > Oh that was so bad. Yes, but it was *damn* funny. :) Nice to know my new .sig has garnered NOTHING but positive comments thus far. > On 5 Mar 1999, Evan Prodromou wrote: [snip] _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, was it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Mar 6 11:59:54 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word for Widows Message-ID: (forwarded email I wrote) Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: Deirdre Saoirse To: Akintayo Holder Cc: "linux-newbie@vger.rutgers.edu" Subject: Re: Disk Partioning On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Akintayo Holder wrote: > I have the downloaded version, and it includes support for M$ Word for > Widows 6/7... I wasn't aware Microsoft made a version of Word just for those who, like me, had "unfortunate experiences in life." ;) Are they going to come out with a version for orphans too? Does this version omit the widow and orphan control features? Inquiring minds want to know. ;) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, was it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 11:49:33 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What Cmdr. Taco looks like In-Reply-To: <19990306112624.D3103@hugin.imat.com>; from Rick Moen on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 11:26:24AM -0800 References: <19990306112624.D3103@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <19990306114933.L7707@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 11:26:24AM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > http://www.abisource.com/~abi/lwce1.phtml > > Left column, fifth from the bottom. > Looks like one of the Happy Shiny People[tm]. No, wait! What? WHy do they name the CrackMonkey as CmdrTaco? Why? Whywhywhy? In that photo, BierMonkey is striking a pose, Happy Monkey is in a state of bliss, and Jay Sulzberger is frantically looking around for the proscenium so's he can get out. Me, I'm somehow CmdrTaco. Oy! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 11:50:58 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: ; from Katy on Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 08:35:16PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 08:35:16PM -0800, Katy wrote: > > > Oh that was so bad. That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 12:07:01 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 11:50:58AM -0800 References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> (Cc: ESR) [BadMonkey's Really Bad Stuff deleted to comply with FCC regulations] On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 11:50:58AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 08:35:16PM -0800, Katy wrote: > > > > > > Oh that was so bad. > > That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. It has now earned a special place at http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER16 for those who wish to partake of its CrackMonkey Badness (TM). -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sat Mar 6 12:26:30 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (ESP) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 6 Mar 1999 11:50:58 -0800" References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: Katy> Oh that was so bad. Nick> That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. Amen to that, brother. Anyways, where's your Thursday report? I want to find out about Geeks with Guns and the Great Denny's Takeover. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 12:08:42 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: ; from ESP on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:26:30PM -0800 References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306120841.O7707@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:26:30PM -0800, ESP wrote: > >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > Katy> Oh that was so bad. > > Nick> That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. > > Amen to that, brother. > > Anyways, where's your Thursday report? I want to find out about Geeks > with Guns and the Great Denny's Takeover. Dennen und Entspannen, BadMonkey! It's a weekend, man! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sat Mar 6 12:39:39 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 6 Mar 1999 12:07:01 -0800" References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: Nick> (Cc: ESR) [BadMonkey's Really Bad Stuff deleted to comply Nick> with FCC regulations] I think it's OK to say "gay" now on the Internet. They had a Supreme Court decision. Nick> It has now earned a special place at Nick> http://crackmonkey.org/faq.html#ANSWER16 for those who wish Nick> to partake of its CrackMonkey Badness (TM). Nick, are you using an alternate TLD? I can't seem to get crackmonkey.org to resolve ANYWHERE. I'm also having problems with Eric Raymond's site, openlygaysource.org. What's going on here!? ~ESP P.S. I keep mixing up my Crackmonkey action figures. I can't seem to remember if Katy is a real person or a hat. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 13:50:19 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:39:39PM -0800 References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306135019.B11507@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:39:39PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > Nick> (Cc: ESR) [BadMonkey's Really Bad Stuff deleted to comply > Nick> with FCC regulations] > > I think it's OK to say "gay" now on the Internet. They had a Supreme > Court decision. Yes, but your posting was giving off dangerous levels of gamma radiation. > Nick, are you using an alternate TLD? I can't seem to get > crackmonkey.org to resolve ANYWHERE. This is the fault of Bodo Bauer. He has ruthlessly blocked port 53 on this wonderful box. We shall kill him now. > P.S. I keep mixing up my Crackmonkey action figures. I can't seem to > remember if Katy is a real person or a hat. Katy's a real person (and I'm wondering if ManicMonkey is appropriate or not), and Daniel Snyder is Fiona (a hat), or HatMonkey. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sat Mar 6 14:18:52 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Sat, 6 Mar 1999 13:50:19 -0800" References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> <19990306135019.B11507@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Nick Profit" == Nick Moffitt writes: Me> Nick, are you using an alternate TLD? I can't seem to get Me> crackmonkey.org to resolve ANYWHERE. Nick Profit> This is the fault of Bodo Bauer. He has Nick Profit> ruthlessly blocked port 53 on this wonderful box. We Nick Profit> shall kill him now. I don't know Bodo personally, but I like him. He talks funny. I request that he not be killed until I can do an interview with him for Pigdog Journal. I'd like him to explain why all German Linux people are evil and insane. Anyways, I'm sorry crackmonkey.org is down for the count. Can you give me an IP address so I can bookmark it? ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 6 14:10:36 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 02:18:52PM -0800 References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> <19990306135019.B11507@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306141035.C11507@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 02:18:52PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > I don't know Bodo personally, but I like him. He talks funny. I > request that he not be killed until I can do an interview with him for > Pigdog Journal. I'd like him to explain why all German Linux people > are evil and insane. Well, he's KrautMonkey, and he's on this list (though he barely reads it). > Anyways, I'm sorry crackmonkey.org is down for the count. Can you > give me an IP address so I can bookmark it? It's actually a virthost on zork.net. Go to http://zork.net/crackmonkey/ for the real page. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From muse at zork.net Sat Mar 6 15:14:38 1999 From: muse at zork.net (SpiceMonkey) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What Cmdr. Taco looks like In-Reply-To: <19990306114933.L7707@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 11:49:33AM -0800 References: <19990306112624.D3103@hugin.imat.com> <19990306114933.L7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990306151437.A12533@zork.net> > No, wait! What? WHy do they name the CrackMonkey as > CmdrTaco? Why? Whywhywhy? > > In that photo, BierMonkey is striking a pose, Happy Monkey is > in a state of bliss, and Jay Sulzberger is frantically looking around > for the proscenium so's he can get out. Me, I'm somehow CmdrTaco. > Oy! No, no, no! (I went through the same thought process as you.) The captions are to the left of each picture. The picture of Cmdr Taco is actually in the second column from the left, right next to the picture of CrackMonkey, Jay S., HappyMonkey, and BierMonkey. In other words, the photo of you guys is captionless--for now. SpiceMonkey ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Sun Mar 7 00:39:20 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: <19990306135019.B11507@zork.net> Message-ID: Hey! I take offense at ManicMOnkey! Anything but manic, moody or mopey monkey... On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:39:39PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > > >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > > > Nick> (Cc: ESR) [BadMonkey's Really Bad Stuff deleted to comply > > Nick> with FCC regulations] > > > > I think it's OK to say "gay" now on the Internet. They had a Supreme > > Court decision. > > Yes, but your posting was giving off dangerous levels of gamma > radiation. > > > Nick, are you using an alternate TLD? I can't seem to get > > crackmonkey.org to resolve ANYWHERE. > > This is the fault of Bodo Bauer. He has ruthlessly blocked > port 53 on this wonderful box. We shall kill him now. > > > P.S. I keep mixing up my Crackmonkey action figures. I can't seem to > > remember if Katy is a real person or a hat. > > Katy's a real person (and I'm wondering if ManicMonkey is > appropriate or not), and Daniel Snyder is Fiona (a hat), or HatMonkey. > > -- > "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and > unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good > engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to > itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > -------------------- This space for rent ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Sun Mar 7 00:42:47 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What Cmdr. Taco looks like In-Reply-To: <19990306151437.A12533@zork.net> Message-ID: Hey, I'd like to put in a formal request for a CrackMonkey photo album. I'd like to put names to the faces. I read about these Richard Stallmans and Eric S. Raymonds and Rick Moens, but give me photographs! I'm a visual person! -*end transmission* ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Sun Mar 7 00:44:02 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] sockmonkey... Message-ID: I'd like to nominate Jason McKee for SockMonkey for his incoherent ramblings about sock monkeys and pentium III commercials as he stands behind me waiting for tater tots to finish a-cookin'. -Katy -------------------- This space for rent ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Sun Mar 7 00:45:00 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Another monkey nomenclature request Message-ID: Patty requests a *.monkey label....She's too stoned to actually type that herself... -------------------- This space for rent ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From patty at zork.net Sun Mar 7 01:56:45 1999 From: patty at zork.net (Rev. Patty Morin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Another monkey nomenclature request In-Reply-To: Message-ID: katy exaggerates. she was checking email at the time, hence the Secret Monkey Name request. ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: ::: Kafka's Parables and Paradoxes-- http://www.zork.net/~patty ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From jason at cc.wwu.edu Sun Mar 7 02:44:00 1999 From: jason at cc.wwu.edu (Jason McKee) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word for Widows References: Message-ID: <36E25870.5155B8C5@cc.wwu.edu> If you type in "I'd like to see Bill Gates dead" and run the grammer check, it suggests, "I'll drink to that" (thanks Katy!) -Jason ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From alhambra at zork.net Sun Mar 7 09:47:08 1999 From: alhambra at zork.net (Daniel Snyder) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:39:39PM -0800 References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <19990306120701.N7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990307094708.A15550@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 12:39:39PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > Nick> (Cc: ESR) [BadMonkey's Really Bad Stuff deleted to comply > Nick> with FCC regulations] > > I think it's OK to say "gay" now on the Internet. They had a Supreme > Court decision. Thank God. Now FINALLY the ads for "Our Hearts were Young and Gay" can go to press. > P.S. I keep mixing up my Crackmonkey action figures. I can't seem to > remember if Katy is a real person or a hat. Never fear! -- Yours, Fiona (A Hat) fiona@zork.net "All the world's a stage."--William Shakespeare ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From mprinkey at usa.net Sat Mar 6 07:21:25 1999 From: mprinkey at usa.net (Michael Prinkey) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fast Math Libraries for Alpha Linux Message-ID: <199903061521.KAA21536@a1-linux.a1usa.net> Digital (Compaq) has released their math libraries for Alpha Linux. It is arguably better than libffm, but more important is the fact that Compaq is addressing the need for efficient number crunching under Alpha Linux. Let's hope this is just a precursor to a release of their compiler suite. Here is the link: http://www.unix.digital.com/linux/cpml.htm Cheers, Mike Prinkey ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sat Mar 6 12:33:51 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word for Widows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14049.37044.551310.291718@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > Does this version omit the widow and orphan control features? You know, I only recently realized what Back Orifice was supposed to make fun of. OUch. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Sat Mar 6 12:30:38 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> Message-ID: <14049.36922.828808.704616@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Nick Moffitt writes: > > That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. Bad monkeys oughta be spanked. Even mandrills. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 7 13:40:34 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word for Widows In-Reply-To: <14049.37044.551310.291718@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: On Sat, 6 Mar 1999, Eugene Leitl wrote: > You know, I only recently realized what Back Orifice was supposed to > make fun of. OUch. A wee bit slow on the uptake, hrm? And, to quote a popular saying, "if it's a pain in the ass, you're doing it wrong." :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 7 13:50:21 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The CrackMeister In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Happy Birthday!!!! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Sun Mar 7 14:00:34 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Sinister Canadista plot to invade your computer Message-ID: <19990307140034.A12796@hugin.imat.com> ----- Forwarded message from Cassiel ----- Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 17:43:51 -0800 To: flieg@socrates.berkeley.edu, rick@hugin.imat.com From: Cassiel Subject: awesome peltier cooler >Date: Fri, 05 Mar 1999 01:11:12 -0800 >From: Babu Mengelepouti >Organization: US Secret Service >To: dc-stuff@dis.org >Subject: awesome peltier cooler > >This guy is a true hacker. > >http://www.inexpress.net/~jherrero/ ----- End forwarded message ----- ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 7 14:16:54 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Word for Widows In-Reply-To: <36E25870.5155B8C5@cc.wwu.edu> Message-ID: On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Jason McKee wrote: > If you type in "I'd like to see Bill Gates dead" and run the grammer > check, it suggests, "I'll drink to that" It's the thesaurus actually. A better test is "unable to follow directions" which translates to "unable to have an erection." Guess Bill's submissive after all. ;^) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 15:03:04 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (ESP) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] sockmonkey... In-Reply-To: Katy's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 1999 00:44:02 -0800 (PST)" References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Katy" == Katy writes: Katy> I'd like to nominate Jason McKee for SockMonkey for his Katy> incoherent ramblings about sock monkeys and pentium III Katy> commercials as he stands behind me waiting for tater tots to Katy> finish a-cookin'. -Katy I think there's a maxim somewhere that states that for every dumb idea there is a matching Pigdog Journal article. Although I can't bank on that, uh, here: http://www.pigdog.org/auto_monkey_business_Intel_Uses_Sock_Mandrill_as_Shill_to_Sell_Stupid_New_Chip.html It should be obvious that that so-called "sock monkey" is actually a sock mandrill. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 15:26:05 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (ESP) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content Message-ID: Oye, vatos. So, I've got kind of a weird question. I've lately become kind of interested in the idea of extending the Free/Open Source Software to other types of digitally-codable expression, like writing, images, and music. I think there are a number of reasons why this is a very reasonable and good thing for both artist and consumer. I'm particularly inspired by the success of some small bands who have published free MP3s on the Internet and had corresponding growth in their popularity, attendance at live shows, etc. Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone knows of something along the lines of "The Case for Open Source" that makes specific arguments for free or open content (or "free art"). It seems like a particularly cogent part of the Open Source movement, as more and more content becomes available on the Internet. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Sun Mar 7 15:30:19 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: ; from ESP on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 03:26:05PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990307153019.D13015@hugin.imat.com> Quoting ESP (evangelo@pigdog.org): > Oye, vatos. Ciao, bubeleh. > So, I've got kind of a weird question. I've lately become kind of > interested in the idea of extending the Free/Open Source Software to > other types of digitally-codable expression, like writing, images, and > music. Not quite the same thing, because the source/binary dichotomy is not present. However, there are already some essays on the subject, such as http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/nonsoftware-copyleft.html, and others listed at http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/philosophy.html. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 7 15:48:48 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: ; from ESP on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 03:26:05PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> ESP writes: > Oye, vatos. > > So, I've got kind of a weird question. I've lately become kind of > interested in the idea of extending the Free/Open Source Software to > other types of digitally-codable expression, like writing, images, and > music. > > I think there are a number of reasons why this is a very reasonable > and good thing for both artist and consumer. I'm particularly > inspired by the success of some small bands who have published free > MP3s on the Internet and had corresponding growth in their popularity, > attendance at live shows, etc. > > Anyways, I'm wondering if anyone knows of something along the lines of > "The Case for Open Source" that makes specific arguments for free or > open content (or "free art"). It seems like a particularly cogent > part of the Open Source movement, as more and more content becomes > available on the Internet. There is opencontent.org and some similar projects. I don't think that many of them have yet been blessed with particularly eloquent writers or philosophers to explain their principles. A lot of the support for open content is probably from the generic critique of the idea of intellectual property. For instance, I've seen http://www.ip-not.org/ which argues that intellectual property does not exist at all, while physical property does. That site is somewhat incoherent and relies a lot on religious relevations, neither of which will help it get its message out, but I think I agree with the basic point. Physical property exists (according to those who believe in it outside of social contract arguments) because denying someone his physical property causes him direct harm. Intellectual property doesn't seem to work that way; the arguments that people are harmed by having their IP pirated seem to me to presuppose that they have a right to control other people's copying activities. The characteristics (as ip-not.org points out) of physical objects are different from the characteristics of information. The argument that the creator of an idea has a copy-right on that idea (i.e. the right to prevent others from copying it) is much less clear to me than the argument that the creator of an object has a use-right for that object (i.e. the right to prevent others from using it). Outside of generic IP criticism (moral and ethical), I don't think you'll find very much in the way of existing support for open content. RMS has written some things which seem to include it, but hasn't gone into very much detail with planning for it. In fact, some supporters of free software have distanced themselves from the idea, arguing that software is unique among forms of IP, in that it is singularly important to its users and singularly important to keep open. This idea could be crudely paraphrased this way: Software represents a major piece of its users' world; represents a world in its own right; represents a fundamental class of tools which are essential for the use of a computer, for participation in the on-line world, for modern information processing, etc.; or other expressions of the idea that the relationship between software and its users is unique because of the amount of power the software has over the users, or other reasons. (Cf. the passage in _Sneakers_ about the "world war" over information.) Therefore, it is particularly important that the users of the software should be able to understand it and participate in its design or construction if they desire, so that software will not constitute an instrument of repression or control over people, or so that this process will not be one-way or one-sided, or abused by a single entity or a single class of people to any abusive or restrictive end. Only free software can ultimately produce the freedom and openness which are an essential part of something as important in computer users' lives as software. In other words, there are various arguments about why software, or most software, ought to be free (whether or not IP really exists), mostly having to do with the power software has to control people, which is not much of a problem with other forms of creative work. So there are probably lots of people who think (regardless of the existence of intellectual property) that important software (operating system kernels, editors, development tools, and whatever else they think is needed in a basic operating system) needs to be free, whereas other things (like games) could be proprietary without any significant harm being done. Similarly, they would probably say that other forms of information don't need to be free, especially if they are more recreational in nature, like art and music. Indeed, I've heard a number of free software advocates say that they are not really interested in free music, simply because they don't think it's important for the same reasons that free software is. I would at least agree that free basic infrastructure is the most important thing in any area. Anyway, you need to distinguish between people who believe in free software - because it is practically useful (Open Source...) - because of generic opposition to intellectual property in all areas - because of ethical concerns which are specific to software and do not necessarily translate to other forms of content Opinions remain divided, and it is an interesting issue. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 16:05:38 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (ESP) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: Rick Moen's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:30:19 -0800" References: <19990307153019.D13015@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "Rick" == Rick Moen writes: >> So, I've got kind of a weird question. I've lately become kind >> of interested in the idea of extending the Free/Open Source >> Software to other types of digitally-codable expression, like >> writing, images, and music. Rick> Not quite the same thing, because the source/binary Rick> dichotomy is not present. Well, yeah, OK. Open Source Software is not like open source music (you don't have to give away your guitar, too), but free software *is* like free music in some ways (and different in some ways). As our friend says, the important thing is freedom and community. Thanks for the URLs. I especially liked this one: http://www.ram.org/ramblings/philosophy/fmp.html Which covered very nicely the stuff I was fighting with people about. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evan at coursenet.com Sun Mar 7 16:36:59 1999 From: evan at coursenet.com (Evan Prodromou) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: Seth David Schoen's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 1999 15:48:48 -0800" References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: Seth, Interesting arguments. I agree that software, as "executable information," has very important freedom requirements. I think that there is more of a difference in terms of "open source" (you need to have the freedom to examine and modify the source) than in free distribution (surprisingly, many people run software without ever distributing it). On the other hand, I think there are a lot of ways that software and other information are the same. * It's difficult to control them. It's much harder for me to make sure you pay for software or Web content than it is for me to make sure you pay for a candy bar or a rake. Ockham's Razor suggests that the traditional ownership-licensing mechanism, which is very complicated and difficult to enforce, may not be the best system. A simpler system that satisfies the same goals would be better. * Many of the goals that people have in making software and art, like ego-gratification, personal need for the piece itself, etc., aren't directly related to getting money for them. Most of these goals would be satisfied to a higher degree with a broader, free distribution of the piece than with a narrow, commercial distribution (Note that this is predicated on the assumption that with the same base conditions a free piece is going to travel farther than a restricted or for-pay piece.) * There is as much of a tradition of sharing in artistic communities as there is in the software community. * In both cases it is possible to give away the razors and sell the blades. As with software, it's possible for a performer or artist to give away free digital copies of his/her product, and charge for things with physical presence, like physical media or live performances (read "consulting" for the software world). ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From fuller at metalab.unc.edu Sun Mar 7 17:33:28 1999 From: fuller at metalab.unc.edu (Adam Fuller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: That thesaurus trick in word is small peanuts compared to this: -----Forwarded message from Poria Asaad ----- ... you fellas who still have the OLD excel 95 (not office 97) then try this out : 1.open a new file 2.scroll down until you see row 95 3.click on the row 95 button, this highlights the whole row 4.press tab, to move to the second column 5.now, move your mouse and click on help THEN about microsoft excel 6.press ctrl-alt-shift and click on the tech support button simultaneously 7.A WINDOW WILL APPEAR, TITLE : THE HALL OF TORTURED SOULS this is really erie okay...it has a doom style format and you can walk all around the all...and on the sides of the walls are the names of the tortured souls... 8.NOW WALK UP THE STAIRS AND THEN COME BACK DOWN, FACE THE BLANK WALL AND THEN TYPE IN EXCELKFA this will open the blank wall to reveal another secret passage, walk through the passage and DO NOT fall off, when you get to the end, you will see something really really eerie... -- ============================================================================= -- /*---------------------------------------------------------------------* * adam fuller http://www.redcap.org * * Metalab Unix System Administrator http://metalab.unc.edu * *---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 7 18:56:44 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Nick's ideas taking hold Message-ID: <19990307185644.L25238@requiem.geecs.org> Sounds just like what Nick discussed a few days ealier: http://opensource.oreilly.com/news/scoville_0399.html But there's another problem: Stallman wasn't the first. Years before he or Eric Raymond ever hit on the idea of liberating source code, the UNIX operating system was being developed at AT&T Bell Laboratories. As a government-regulated monopoly, AT&T was barred from competition in the computer industry. Though UNIX source code was not then "free" in either the FSF or OSI sense, it could be licensed at nominal cost. Universities were among the first to take advantage. As a result, UNIX ended up in the hands of hundreds of collaborating academic programmers. In particular, the UNIX effort at the University of California at Berkeley spawned a West Coast hacker culture to rival Stallman's MIT cohort. Ultimately, the student programmers at Berkeley created their own variation of the operating system so potent that it became a major fork in the UNIX lineage -- the Berkeley Software Distribution, or BSD. It is difficult to overestimate the role of BSD UNIX in modern computing. Not only did it beget many key features of all future versions of UNIX, but it was also under the BSD flag that UNIX met the Internet (though at the time it went by its more ancient name, Arpanet). Much of the most common system software surrounding the TCP/IP protocol was developed at UC Berkeley, and was introduced to the world as part of BSD. In the years since, BSD has enjoyed not only a substantial commercial run, but has also found its way into a commerce-free distribution of its own, one to rival Linux. Though not as popular or mediagenic as Linux, FreeBSD can nevertheless be widely found on the machines of hobbyists, ISPs, and major corporations alike. So the shared source collaboration concept had received significant validation long before Raymond or Stallman showed up on the field. That would make AT&T the unlikely mother of the movement, having quietly accomplished the feat with neither Stallman's righteous rhetoric nor Raymond's theoretical grandstanding. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 19:18:29 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Linux is Gay In-Reply-To: Eugene Leitl's message of "Sat, 6 Mar 1999 21:30:38 +0100 (CET)" References: <19990306115057.M7707@zork.net> <14049.36922.828808.704616@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: >>>>> "Eugene" == Eugene Leitl writes: Nick Profit> That, my friend, is why he is BadMonkey. Eugene> Bad monkeys oughta be spanked. Even mandrills. Grrr. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sun Mar 7 21:57:13 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fast Math Libraries for Alpha Linux In-Reply-To: <199903061521.KAA21536@a1-linux.a1usa.net>; from Michael Prinkey on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 10:21:25AM -0500 References: <199903061521.KAA21536@a1-linux.a1usa.net> Message-ID: <19990307215713.C12234@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 10:21:25AM -0500, Michael Prinkey wrote: > Digital (Compaq) has released their math libraries for Alpha Linux. > It is arguably better than libffm, but more important is the fact > that Compaq is addressing the need for efficient number crunching > under Alpha Linux. Let's hope this is just a precursor to a release > of their compiler suite. Here is the link: > > http://www.unix.digital.com/linux/cpml.htm 'Gene you cretinous Kraut! Don't bounce messages to the list! Always forward! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 7 22:09:41 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: ; from Evan Prodromou on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 04:36:59PM -0800 References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Evan Prodromou writes: > Seth, > > Interesting arguments. I agree that software, as "executable > information," has very important freedom requirements. I think that > there is more of a difference in terms of "open source" (you need to > have the freedom to examine and modify the source) than in free > distribution (surprisingly, many people run software without ever > distributing it). Yes, and that distinction is important too. (But, although I notice that I'm no longer so concerned about the price of commercial software, whether proprietary or not, I _do_ see artificial scarcities in distribution as a problem, especially because software is something from which children and other people without a lot of disposable personal income can potentially get a lot of benefit. I do remember, for instance, switching to Linux because I couldn't afford a copy of Windows 95 at the time. Since the cost of copying Windows is very low, it does bother me that people who can't afford it are still theoretically unable to get access to it. I guess I'm thinking especially of kids who are very interested in computers but are sometimes held back from taking the next step in some area because of the distribution restrictions enforced via software copyright. For instance, I would have started C about 6 years earlier than I did if I had known about DJGPP, _or_ if Microsoft or Borland had been putting out stuff that could be afforded by someone with an allowance from his parents but no job.) In general, though, you're quite right that what people worry about ethically (as opposed to practically, to find a "powerful development model" or "efficient debugging strategy" or all such things as per "The Cathedral and the Bazaar"*) is really the ability to _understand_ and _modify_ software, not to distribute it. > On the other hand, I think there are a lot of ways that software and > other information are the same. > > * It's difficult to control them. It's much harder for me to make > sure you pay for software or Web content than it is for me to make > sure you pay for a candy bar or a rake. Ockham's Razor suggests > that the traditional ownership-licensing mechanism, which is very > complicated and difficult to enforce, may not be the best system. > A simpler system that satisfies the same goals would be better. Yes. More on this below. It's hard to imagine that there is any system other than entirely free distribution which actually _can_ be "enforced" without a lot of the undesirable side effects that we associate with copyright today ("the FBI investigat[ing] allegations of ... infringement", watermarks, cookies, GUIDs, and Pentium III IDs infringing on recipients'/licensees' privacy, and the cultural artifacts of intellectual property that RMS has been criticizing, to name a few). I mean, most of the discussion in the industry about "alternatives" to copyright are presently aimed at using watermarks plus licenses to produce something even _more_ restrictive than the current legal framework. > * Many of the goals that people have in making software and art, > like ego-gratification, personal need for the piece itself, etc., > aren't directly related to getting money for them. Most of these > goals would be satisfied to a higher degree with a broader, free > distribution of the piece than with a narrow, commercial > distribution (Note that this is predicated on the assumption that > with the same base conditions a free piece is going to travel > farther than a restricted or for-pay piece.) In fact, the only thing that our current Big Media do for artists in terms of ego gratification is running large, expensive advertising campaigns to promote those artists -- which is frequently why we've heard of whom we've heard of. (Yes, people mostly have to have a lot of talent to get into that system in the first place, but there are comparably talented artists whose faces aren't all over billboards and TV; here I'm thinking mostly of music, which is probably the art form with the greatest commercial and fan following in the world right now, if you don't count TV acting, which works in a fairly similar way.) Most of the artists I knew in high school (the last time I hung around with any) were not particularly interested in having big media campaigns that would bring them to international fame. As long as they could be confident that it would pay the bills, they were generally content with the thought of having smaller-scale, largely face-to-face artistic careers; in other words, they didn't generally feel a great need to be "mediated" by the media. (Thus "immediate", you know; a word with a neglected etymology if ever there were one.) The things I remember hearing artists worrying about were mostly paying the bills and being appreciated in interesting careers -- not being like the current media starts and making world tours. Those world tours, with Madison Square Garden and all, arguably _are_ very "narrow". How many people get a chance to see them? > * There is as much of a tradition of sharing in artistic communities > as there is in the software community. Yes, that's true. And software companies (at least, the sort represented by the BSA and SPA) weren't any happier about it than media companies (at least, the sort represented by the RIAA). The software people have been able to bring it to public attention a lot more of late, though. > * In both cases it is possible to give away the razors and sell the > blades. As with software, it's possible for a performer or artist > to give away free digital copies of his/her product, and charge > for things with physical presence, like physical media or live > performances (read "consulting" for the software world). I'm reminded of the section on "price discrimination" in my old Econ book. It's worth reading about that subject, for anyone who's not familiar with it. (Basically, it refers to the ability to charge people different amounts for some good according to their abilities to pay for it. This is the _actual_ reason that various things are cheaper for children or for senior citizens -- it's not out of kindness, but it's a sound profit-maximizing business move, in many cases.) The conditions for being able to practice price discrimination successfully include the existence of separate markets without the ability to resell goods between them (so that no arbitrage can occur to bring the two markets to a single price). Sometimes these market separations are enforced by legal means, in which case there are economic pressures for violation of the law. (E.g. BART senior citizen tickets are illegal to resell to non-senior citizens, but senior citizens who decide to break this law can make a significant profit at arbitrage.) I see the existing music industry as having several markets which are _not_ clearly isolated from one another; and therefore the industry's attempts at price discrimination are under pressure. One market is the retail commercial market (where prices are fixed exactly; I'm sure the $19 I just paid for Orbital's _In Sides_ at Tower is exactly what I would have paid in any large retail music story anywhere in the country**). One is the resale market for used music (tag sales, flea markets), where things are a bit cheaper, which isn't necessarily a problem, because the quality may be lowered by wear and tear. And one is the free market/pirate market/black market in music, where low-cost or no-cost copies of music are traded. This market poses a problem for the music industry, because there are very substantial economic pressures for arbitrageurs to grab pieces of the above-ground new music market and pull them underground, so that the price of new music moves closer to the true economic marginal cost of producing copies in the absence of copyright controls. How far it moves depends on how strongly the legal and social norms against copyright violation are enforced. But in-person performances provide a remarkable opportunity for effective price discrimination! Why? Because they (or at least physical presence at them) are a textbook example of a commodity which cannot be resold, and so separate markets can exist. There can be a recorded music market, in which the cost of music falls toward zero, as well as an entirely separate live music market, in which the cost of music stays relatively high. Producing the nth new marginal live music concert continues to cost about what the (n-1)st live concert did, so the prices are pretty much guaranteed to remain high, assuming that public interest in live music also stays high. So, somebody should just start an anti-intellectual property band called Razors and Blades, or maybe Uncle Adam and the Arbitrageurs, and see what happens to it... I'd wish them luck. :-) * These are not quotations from "TCaTB"; just paraphrases. ** First recommend by my friend Micah from New York; also heard it with Nick and friends at the CoffeeNet on Richard Couture's electrostatic speakers. The first piece of techno I've ever owned; highly recommended. In fact, it even plugs solar energy! -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sun Mar 7 22:01:57 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Open Content In-Reply-To: ; from ESP on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 03:26:05PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990307220156.D12234@zork.net> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 03:26:05PM -0800, ESP wrote: > So, I've got kind of a weird question. I've lately become kind of > interested in the idea of extending the Free/Open Source Software to > other types of digitally-codable expression, like writing, images, and > music. You may be interested to note that I convinced LinuxWorld Online to put my articles under a freely redistributable license (though with a slight advertising clause). -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sun Mar 7 22:04:55 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:13 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Another monkey nomenclature request In-Reply-To: ; from Rev. Patty Morin on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 01:56:45AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990307220455.E12234@zork.net> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 01:56:45AM -0800, Rev. Patty Morin wrote: > katy exaggerates. she was checking email at the time, hence the > Secret Monkey Name request. Gosh, Patty. You coined the phrase "CrackMonkey", so I really don't feel right bestowing a name to you. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 22:39:07 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides In-Reply-To: Seth David Schoen's message of "Sun, 7 Mar 1999 22:09:41 -0800" References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "Seth" == Seth David Schoen writes: Seth> ** First recommend by my friend Micah from New York; also Seth> heard it with Nick and friends at the CoffeeNet on Richard Seth> Couture's electrostatic speakers. The first piece of techno Seth> I've ever owned; highly recommended. In fact, it even plugs Seth> solar energy! I'll give a full response to your well-thought-out post in a while. Until then, I'll give my two problems with Orbital's "In Sides": 1) Stupid people like me take months to figure out that there's another CD in there. (Duh). 2) Stupid people like me take that second CD out without ever having heard it before and put it on their workplace's shared CD player, despite the fact that the first track on the second CD is entitled "Satan". The track begins, " SSSSSS AAAAAAA TTTTTTTTT AAAAAAAAA NNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan!!!!" This usually occurs just as those Big Investors are doing the mandatory tour of the engineering area. Events like this make stupid people like me feel like Very Stupid People Indeed as we lunge for the CD player, fumble around for the STOP button, pull out our CD, and sheepishly return to our workstations, never to ever try to share music with our co-workers ever ever ever ever again. Otherwise, "In Sides" is really great. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 7 22:45:28 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Re: In Sides In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0800 References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990307224528.D25900@requiem.geecs.org> evangelo@pigdog.org writes: > >>>>> "Seth" == Seth David Schoen writes: > > Seth> ** First recommend by my friend Micah from New York; also > Seth> heard it with Nick and friends at the CoffeeNet on Richard > Seth> Couture's electrostatic speakers. The first piece of techno > Seth> I've ever owned; highly recommended. In fact, it even plugs > Seth> solar energy! > > I'll give a full response to your well-thought-out post in a while. > Until then, I'll give my two problems with Orbital's "In Sides": > > 1) Stupid people like me take months to figure out that there's > another CD in there. (Duh). > > 2) Stupid people like me take that second CD out without ever having > heard it before and put it on their workplace's shared CD player, > despite the fact that the first track on the second CD is entitled > "Satan". > > The track begins, > > " SSSSSS AAAAAAA TTTTTTTTT AAAAAAAAA NNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! > > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan!!!!" > > This usually occurs just as those Big Investors are doing the > mandatory tour of the engineering area. > > Events like this make stupid people like me feel like Very Stupid > People Indeed as we lunge for the CD player, fumble around for the > STOP button, pull out our CD, and sheepishly return to our > workstations, never to ever try to share music with our co-workers > ever ever ever ever again. > > Otherwise, "In Sides" is really great. I should note that I had yet to notice that there was another CD in there, outside of the rumor from Micah; and I certainly have yet to listen to it. Therefore, this has yet to happen to me, but I really, really, really appreciate the warning. I usually never play any music for someone else until I've listened to it often enough to become very familiar with it, so I guess the odds are lower of my doing the above, but, still, I really, really, really appreciate the warning. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sun Mar 7 23:08:27 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides In-Reply-To: evangelo@pigdog.org's message of "07 Mar 1999 22:39:07 -0800" References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: >>>>> "evangelo" == evangelo writes: evangelo> Otherwise, "In Sides" is really great. In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that I am a big fan of techno. Pigdoggers already know that I maintain that techno is the music of Bad People of the Future. In other words, when you see movies set in the Not-So-Distant Future where the heroes have to walk through some bad part of Futuropolis with lots of dry ice and dripping fire escapes and they (OH NO!) get attacked by nihilist hoodlums in neon-striped greasy leather jackets with HUMONGOUS pointy shoulder pads and wielding phonon laser switchblades or what have you, well... what those hoodlums listen to is techno music. It just goes to figure. Like, the Bad Kids in Cathedral listen to techno. So do Vic and Blood. And everybody in "Blade Runner." It's simply required. Anyways, since we live in what most people making those movies considered the Future, I feel obliged to listen to lots of techno. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 7 23:02:02 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Re: In Sides In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0800 References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990307230202.F25900@requiem.geecs.org> evangelo@pigdog.org writes: > 1) Stupid people like me take months to figure out that there's > another CD in there. (Duh). I just realized why I didn't: I'm used to buying classical music, in which (1) The CD label will proudly advertise "2 CD", "2 CDs", or "2 CD set" on the outside of the case in large type (to account for why you are paying so much). (2) The outside of the case will have a complete table of contents for all the CDs included, with a large amount of information. E.g., picking two random 2-CD sets from my collection, the first reads (in part): GUSTAV MAHLER (1860-1911) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPACT DISC 1 [52'54] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] -- [3] Symphonie No. 6 a-moll [82'57] in A minor - en la mineur - in la minore --------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPACT DISC 2 [76'18] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] Symphonie No. 6 (cont.) [2] -- [6] Kindertotenlieder [26'09] Songs on the Death of Children Chants pour les enfants morts Lieder per i bambini morti [7] -- [11] Ruckert-Lieder [19'48] Christa Ludwig, Mezzosopran Berliner Philharmoniker Herbert von Karajan And again, in a different set of two: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPACT DISC 1 [54'33] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOLFGANG AMADEUS MOZART (1756-1791) [1] -- [6] Messe C-dur KV 317 >>Kronungsmesse<< [28'13] "Coronation" Mass in C major, K. 317 <> en ut majeur "Missa dell'incoronazione" in do maggiore KATHLEEN BATTLE, Sopran TRUDELIESE SCHMIDT, Alt/contralto GOSTA WINBERGH, Tenor FERRUCCIO FURLANETTO, Bass Wiener Singverein Wiener Philharmoniker LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN (1770-1827) Missa solemnis D-dur op. 123 in D major - en re majeur - in re maggiore [7] -- [9] Kyrie [9'15] [10] -- [14] Gloria [17'05] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPACT DISC 2 [53'45] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] -- [5] Credo [22'07] [6] -- [9] Sanctus [16'19] [10] -- [13] Agnus Dei [15'19] LELLA CUBERLI, Sopran TRUDELIESE SCHMIDT, Alt/contralto VINSON COLE, Tenor - JOSE VAN DAM, Bass Wiener Singverein - Berliner Philharmoniker HERBERT VON KARAJAN So, contrast either of these with the 2-CD set that constitutes _In Sides_, which simply says "Orbital", "In Sides", and a list of the tracks on the first of the two CDs, without even any timing information! (3) The music is frequently so long that they can't even fit a single piece on one CD, so it has to be continued, which means you have to switch CDs every time you listen to it in order to hear the entire thing. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From joabj at charm.net Mon Mar 8 02:04:18 1999 From: joabj at charm.net (Joab Jackson) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19990308020418.006b12c8@mailhost.charm.net> At 10:39 PM 3/7/99 -0800, you wrote: > >2) Stupid people like me take that second CD out without ever having > heard it before and put it on their workplace's shared CD player, > despite the fact that the first track on the second CD is entitled > "Satan". Actually, I played the second CD for like months wirthout paying much attention to the first non-bonus CD. I still like the second one better (and I still like Snivelization better--recalls a more innocent time) avoiding work again. . .. joab -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To live is so startling, it leaves little time for anything else. - Emily Dickinson http://www.charm.net/~joabj ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Sun Mar 7 23:04:16 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Otherwise, "In Sides" is really great. > > ~ESP To not realize there is a bonus CD in Orbital's "In Sides" album is behaviour indicative of a serious abnormality in the brain. I suggest you remedy this situation promptly. And yes, "In Sides" rocks. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From zen at zork.net Mon Mar 8 00:09:52 1999 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Ancient Egyptian Linux Message-ID: <19990308000951.A19625@zork.net> My art project is due Tuesday. I already have the basic therianthropic Tux drawn. Now all I need is some cool additions to the drawing (like my distribution CD being held out in twisted perspective) and some suggestions on this "god"'s history and relation to the people of Egypt (completely made up). Crack on! -- ------ They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; They pursued it with forks and hope; They threatened its life with a railway-share; They charmed it with smiles and soap. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 8 02:21:39 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [MAILER-DAEMON@requiem.hip.berkeley.edu: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: crackmonkey.org: host not found)] Message-ID: <19990308022139.E26499@requiem.geecs.org> ----- Forwarded message from Mail Delivery Subsystem ----- ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org... Host unknown (Name server: crackmonkey.org: host not found) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 02:20:46 -0800 From: Seth David Schoen To: crackmonkey@crackmonkey.org Subject: Re: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey deirdre@deirdre.net] SpiceMonkey writes: > On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:00:43PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Well GAR on a stick! SpudMonkey has finally joined up with > > us! So, Dierdre, let's get them monkeynames up here so's I can set up Nick, that's "Deirdre"... you know, "'I' before 'E', except after 'C', or before 'Saoirse'.". > > the mail aliases. Hell, let's even give Mr. > > Sunsite^H^H^H^H^H^H^HMetalab a name! > > _What_ other monkeynames? > > So far, I'm aware of ScratchMonkey, JediMonkey, BierMonkey, > SpudMonkey, HappyMonkey, HashMonkey, and maybe even a SnowMonkey. > I'm guessing that there probably is a Beard(ed)Monkey, too. Are there > more? I don't think I would be terribly offended to be dubbed "BeardMonkey". > I'm considering changing my monkeyname soon. Such a strange thought; it sounds like some Internet entity, in a list - hostname - domainname - uname - netname - peername - pathname - nicname - monkeyname I suppose the appropriate thing would be to have an /etc/monkeyname or /etc/monkeynames file. (One should be for BSD Unixes and one for SysV Unixes.) As for the "too many monkeys" question, the advantage of having too many monkeys is that they will be able to find the text of the source code of an elegant new kernel in /dev/random sooner. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Mon Mar 8 10:03:24 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Nick's ideas taking hold In-Reply-To: <19990307185644.L25238@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 06:56:44PM -0800 References: <19990307185644.L25238@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990308100324.A15026@hugin.imat.com> Quoting Seth David Schoen (schoen@uclink4.Berkeley.EDU): > Sounds just like what Nick discussed a few days ealier: It derives in part from a long talk Tim O'Reilly had with Kirk McKusick, some while back. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 8 10:55:02 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey deirdre@deirdre.net] In-Reply-To: <19990306085523.A10321@zork.net>; from SpiceMonkey on Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 08:55:24AM -0800 References: <19990305130043.I1697@zork.net> <19990306085523.A10321@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990308105502.B6111@electriclichen.com> On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 08:55:24AM -0800, SpiceMonkey wrote: > By the way, I was thinking that "NobleMonkey" might be a good name for > the monkey we were otherwise going to call "NiceMonkey" or "HonestMonkey." HonestMonkey! (And do we r3ally need a "BierMonkey" and a "BeardMonkey?") -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Mon Mar 8 11:00:39 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] I gotta rant (fwd) Message-ID: Ooh! My very first KatyRant.org contribution! -Katy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 08:33:40 -0800 From: Jim Calbreath To: katy@zork.net Subject: I gotta rant You may find this hard to believe but there are things that I feel it is appropriate to rant about. Like... Trophy-wives driving a 12 ton SUV with a brush guard and tinted windowns from the kids soccer game to the mall to buy a latte. She'll drive this piece of crap around the 50 acre parking lot looking for a parking space that she can fit the hippo into while talking on her cell phone with the other trophy wives lamenting the fate of the third world. What in the the fork has this smarmy little twit, or the endodontist hubby, given to the world that allows them to take that quantity of resources for this kind of usage? Whew, thanks. I feel a lot better. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 8 11:25:25 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] I gotta rant (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Katy on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:00:39AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990308112525.E6111@electriclichen.com> On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:00:39AM -0800, Katy wrote: > What in the the fork has this smarmy little twit, or the endodontist > hubby, given to the world that allows them to take that quantity of > resources for this kind of usage? None. Her wiper blades and rear view mirrors are rightfully yours. -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 11:55:40 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Ancient Egyptian Linux In-Reply-To: <19990308000951.A19625@zork.net>; from George Moffitt on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 12:09:52AM -0800 References: <19990308000951.A19625@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990308115540.G12234@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 12:09:52AM -0800, George Moffitt wrote: > My art project is due Tuesday. I already have the basic > therianthropic Tux drawn. Now all I need is some cool additions to > the drawing (like my distribution CD being held out in twisted > perspective) and some suggestions on this "god"'s history and relation > to the people of Egypt (completely made up). Context, boy! Let's hear context! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 12:22:02 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0800 References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990308122202.H12234@zork.net> On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > The track begins, > > " SSSSSS AAAAAAA TTTTTTTTT AAAAAAAAA NNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! > > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan!!!!" Well, my 2nd CD actually has a live performance of The Box, and is the better of the two. Both your copy and Rick Moen's seem to have the Satan CD. This is a pity, as the EP that came with mine is truly Spockeriffic. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at cc.wwu.edu Mon Mar 8 12:40:04 1999 From: katy at cc.wwu.edu (Katy Calbreath) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Time Magazine Poll Message-ID: I'd think this was meant to be funny, but the chick that sent it to me is, well, firm in her conviction, to say the least. -Katy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- VOTE FOR JESUS CHRIST Time Magazine is allowing us to vote for Time Magazine's Person of the Century, which will be in their December 1999 issue. I propose that we can vote for Christ. Each of us knows at least one person with email. CONTACT THEM. Pass this on to everyone you know. Let's start a wave of votes for Jesus Christ- Person of the Century. To vote go to http://www.pathfinder.com/time/time100/toppersonmain.html When you get to the site you must write Jesus Christ in exactly this way. Upper case J, Upper case C; all the rest lower case. Apparently the poll is case sensitive and writing it any other way does not allow your vote to be counted as Jesus Christ. Remember to PASS THIS ON to everyone you care about. P.S. From what I heard the winner of the poll will have their picture on the front cover of the magazine in Dec 99, which should be a challenge for the graphics dept at TIME!!! And so far Jesus is leading!!! ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 12:28:21 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Time Magazine Poll In-Reply-To: ; from Katy Calbreath on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 12:40:04PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990308122820.I12234@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 12:40:04PM -0800, Katy Calbreath wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > VOTE FOR JESUS CHRIST I say we hold a poll for "Most Bad Person of the Future", and then rig the results by voting for Jesus Christ! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 15:52:51 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Sweinhunde! Message-ID: <19990308155251.N12234@zork.net> http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.05/streetcred.html Swinehunde in Cyberspace 'Zine publishers have been citizens of paper and snail-mail-based virtual communities for decades, so while the technology that brings them together now on the Net may be new, many of the concepts of virtual communities are old hat. One of the better 'zines that serves as a travelogue of Net trips is called Pigdog. Issue 3 has a color photo of Frank Sinatra on the cover, but it's full of news and opinion from the front lines of the Net - with a decidedly weirdo bent. There's an essay on how commercial online services killed BBS culture, and how that same culture has been resurrected within the murky spaces of the Internet: MUDs, Usenet, gopher, ftp, and the World Wide Web. Also lifted from the Net is some of the strangest "art" you're likely to see in a 'zine. The latest issue also offers tips for cracking the few remaining indie BBSes, music reviews, and the strange sex habits of Leonard Nimoy. Jerod Pore Pigdog: US$5, US$22.50 (4 issues). T. James Madison: 1563 Solano Ave., Box 248, Berkeley, CA 94707, e-mail: tjames@netcom.com. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 15:55:58 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com] Message-ID: <19990308155558.O12234@zork.net> I don't even know what to make of this one. ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:00:08 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- crackmonkey@iname.com has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 15:56:29 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The Audin Malmin Fan Club Message-ID: <19990308155629.P12234@zork.net> Audin Malmin is really neat! ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:55:29 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey amalmin@halcyon.com Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- amalmin@halcyon.com has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 8 17:28:33 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Ancient Egyptian Linux In-Reply-To: <19990308165941.A25415@zork.net>; from George Moffitt on Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 04:59:41PM -0800 References: <19990308000951.A19625@zork.net> <19990308115540.G12234@zork.net> <19990308165941.A25415@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990308172832.T12234@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 04:59:41PM -0800, George Moffitt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:55:40AM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > My art project is due Tuesday. I already have the basic > > > therianthropic Tux drawn. Now all I need is some cool additions > > > to the drawing (like my distribution CD being held out in > > > twisted perspective) and some suggestions on this "god"'s > > > history and relation to the people of Egypt (completely made > > > up). > > > > Context, boy! Let's hear context! > > Time's a-wasting! > here we go... > I am making an Egyptian-style wall-painting. It's actually on a > sheet of paper, but you get the idea. Body of an Egyptian (in his > prime, naturally) up to the neck (or, rather, lack thereof). Then > he becomes a profile of Tux's head. > He's either the god of Linux (R) or the god of Open Source > (R). You lot can help me decide. > Oh, yeah. Part of the assignment is to write up a rather brief > description of the god, as well as tell how he relates to the > people. I've already got a CD in his hand, and I'm planning on > translating "GNU" and a few other things into hieroglyphs and > putting them on the CD, and possibly his Aegis. > As usual, crack will help in the suggestion process. Make this > something easily translated into hieroglyphs if it involves text. George is still looking for the g key. Until he does, I'll just have to forward all his messages back to the group. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 8 18:57:15 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] LOCAL SAN FRANCISCO: Linuxstammtisch Tuesday 9 March Message-ID: <19990308185715.C8961@electriclichen.com> [ Do _not_ reply to this message on the list(s). ] Attention Linux users: Linuxstammtisch is Tuesday night. This is the famous "World's Least Organized Linux Event" at the "World's Greatest Linux Bar." San Francisco Brewing Company 155 Columbus Avenue http://www.sfbrewing.com/ 7:00 PM (or whenever you show up) to whenever There is no particular agenda but previous topics have included: - "Nick Moffitt's $7 history of UN*X" (information wants to be $6.95) - Linuxbierwanderung - System administration and security issues - Corporate nomenclature and organizational charts - Subtle differences in the hardcore street drugs available in Germany, Utah, and North Carolina, as evidenced by perplexing features in various Linux distributions - Linux-related career decisions - Antioxidant properties of hop oils - Whether or not we should get some nachos We will have some kind of toy penguin on the table if you don't recognize anyone there from the television coverage or the photos at http://www.suse.com/~bb/LBW/index.html Details at http://hugin.imat.com/bale/#stammtisch Questions please mail me. *BSD and GNU Hurd users welcome. -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 9 00:06:51 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [MAILER-DAEMON@requiem.hip.berkeley.edu: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: crackmonkey.org: host not found)] In-Reply-To: <19990308022139.E26499@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 01:00:43PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > Well GAR on a stick! SpudMonkey has finally joined up with > > > us! So, Dierdre, let's get them monkeynames up here so's I can set up > > Nick, that's "Deirdre"... you know, "'I' before 'E', except after 'C', or > before 'Saoirse'.". It follows the "weird" rule: ...except when pronounced as in "neighbor" or "weigh" or in certain "weird" words. :) > I suppose the appropriate thing would be to have an /etc/monkeyname or > /etc/monkeynames file. (One should be for BSD Unixes and one for SysV > Unixes.) /etc/crackmonkey > As for the "too many monkeys" question, the advantage of having too many > monkeys is that they will be able to find the text of the source code of > an elegant new kernel in /dev/random sooner. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 9 00:12:12 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] I gotta rant (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990308112525.E6111@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: Great, just remember to get that passenger-rear fixed window for me to use as a spare for my next trip to The City. I seem to be down one at the moment. :( On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: > On Mon, Mar 08, 1999 at 11:00:39AM -0800, Katy wrote: > > > What in the the fork has this smarmy little twit, or the endodontist > > hubby, given to the world that allows them to take that quantity of > > resources for this kind of usage? > > None. Her wiper blades and rear view mirrors are rightfully yours. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 9 00:15:32 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com] In-Reply-To: <19990308155558.O12234@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I don't even know what to make of this one. "Copyright violation is the sincerest form of flattery." :) "Recursion: see recursion." _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 9 00:21:11 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Plastic Surgery (fwd) Message-ID: Ya know, this has *got* to be one of the weirdest pieces of spam I've ever seen.... _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 04 Mar 1999 22:37:04 -0500 Subject: Plastic Surgery The Hottest Cosmetic Plastic Surgery Web Site! [snip] Over 100 Before and After Actual Patient Photos and Stores! - LIPOSUCTION - BREAST IMPLANTS - NOSE JOBS - FACE LIFT - EYE JOBS - ENDERMOLOGIE - LINKS - ARTICLES - LIVE SURGERY COMING SOON!! ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Mar 8 13:18:10 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] I gotta rant (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14052.15925.180301.182375@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Katy writes: > other trophy wives lamenting the fate of the third world. What in the > the fork has this smarmy little twit, or the endodontist hubby, given to > the world that allows them to take that quantity of resources for this > kind of usage? The market is free, free, free, and so are weeee. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Tue Mar 9 11:37:05 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (forw) [svlug] Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter at DARPA Message-ID: <19990309113705.D17753@hugin.imat.com> Electric Lichen's SROM technology scores again! ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 09:48:47 -0800 From: Don Marti To: svlug@svlug.org, balug-talk@balug.org Subject: [svlug] Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter at DARPA Mark Berman of BBN Technologies has posted an interesting "NT Religious Wars" paper for DARPA that cites the definitive operating system evaluation tool, the Operating System Sucks-Rules-O-Meter. http://www.dyncorp-is.com/darpa/meetings/win98aug/wars.html To quote the abstract: "Researchers for the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) are feeling increasing demand to conduct their computer science research on commodity hardware and software platforms, and specifically on Intel-type processors, running Windows or Windows NT. The forces behind this pressure are almost exclusively market-based rather than technical." Of course, my favorite part is section II.A.b. -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA -- echo "unsubscribe svlug" | mail majordomo@svlug.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to unsubscribe see http://www.svlug.org/mdstuff/lists.shtml for posting guidelines. ----- End forwarded message ----- ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 9 11:33:44 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey jtaylor@max.state.ia.us] Message-ID: <19990309113344.C12234@zork.net> How the fork did we get to be so popular? ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:18:49 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey jtaylor@max.state.ia.us Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- jtaylor@max.state.ia.us has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Tue Mar 9 13:31:53 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey jtaylor@max.state.ia.us] In-Reply-To: <19990309113344.C12234@zork.net> Message-ID: Why, our sparkling personality of course! sheesh... -Katy On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > How the fork did we get to be so popular? > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Tue Mar 9 13:46:14 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Business opportunity Message-ID: <19990309134614.B17895@electriclichen.com> Wide open opportunity, just sitting there... ~$ whois linuxpants.com [rs.internic.net] No match for "LINUXPANTS.COM". -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Tue Mar 9 15:13:32 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Java developers smoking you-guessed-it Message-ID: <19990309151332.A18646@electriclichen.com> Stunning new technology proposal! "I would like to solicit responses from the Linux community. Do you think Linux should be written in Java?" http://www.javalobby.org/servlet/News?action=displayStories&xsl=comment.xsl&format=full&id=500200000000094 -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Wed Mar 10 02:13:43 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Java developers smoking you-guessed-it References: <19990309151332.A18646@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <99031002185300.31556@rockhopper> On Tue, 09 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: >"I would like to solicit responses from the Linux community. Do you >think Linux should be written in Java?" These guys have NO sense of anything but the absurd. Java as Han Solo? I can't imagine Han allied with anything proprietary. Rick, Nick or Don as Han Solo, well, that's more like it. ::shakes head:: I think I'm going back to bed now. This was obviously a strange dream run amok. Another quote-of-the-evening: "They just need to have, like, an LA Crime Channel." "Dude, they could hire OJ as a commentator!" "They could pay people's bail only to ask them, on-camera, 'What were you thinking when you did THIS?'" -- _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From entropy at milliways.net Wed Mar 10 06:51:42 1999 From: entropy at milliways.net (Matt Reynolds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] In Sides References: <19990307154848.J20461@requiem.geecs.org> <19990307220941.A25900@requiem.geecs.org> <19990308122202.H12234@zork.net> Message-ID: <36E686FE.541D3A11@milliways.net> The Orbital CD you speak of had two version, both of which had some rather interesting stuff on them. For some strange reason, they decided to have two versions, one released a few months after the other. If any of you are "into mp3s", I have both cd's encoded. Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 07, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > > The track begins, > > > > " SSSSSS AAAAAAA TTTTTTTTT AAAAAAAAA NNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!! > > > > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan > > SatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatanSatan!!!!" > > Well, my 2nd CD actually has a live performance of The Box, > and is the better of the two. Both your copy and Rick Moen's seem to > have the Satan CD. This is a pity, as the EP that came with mine is > truly Spockeriffic. > > -- > "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and > unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good > engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to > itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Mar 10 03:08:17 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Business opportunity In-Reply-To: <19990309134614.B17895@electriclichen.com> References: <19990309134614.B17895@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <14054.19689.716094.357470@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Don Marti writes: > Wide open opportunity, just sitting there... > > ~$ whois linuxpants.com > [rs.internic.net] > No match for "LINUXPANTS.COM". Is this just me, or does anybody else see in his mental eye Tux' evil twin adding a remote control function to Wallace's automatic trousers? I also find it strange that Spheniscus linux has an uniformly evil image in cinema, think only of bomb-carrying penguins in one of the Batman movies. Methinks I see a far-reaching conspiracy to undermine the image of the popular mascot. Surely we need a public image campaign to combat that! Perhaps Florida's citrus barons could contribute the $$$'s, while Linus would publicly drink grapefruit juice everywhere. Nick Proffitt could surely act as a mediator, couldn't you, Nick? 'gene ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 10 17:20:53 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] Message-ID: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net> Damn regexes. It thought Dierdre's message was a request to majordomo and bounced it. ----- Forwarded message from owner-crackmonkey@zork.net ----- Now this is crackmonkey. I must confess that my own wedding was something of a flop as far as wedding presents go -- the only really substantive thing was a 1/2 acre of Brazilian Rain Forest donated in my name. Whee! (It was cool though, don't get me wrong....) It's actually sad commentary on life that my husband's passing five months later brought more cards and more presents. Still, geek and Mac-lover though I am, I just can't see getting an iMac as a wedding present.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 10 Mar 1999 07:04:18 -0800 From: GCS Cys Reply-To: MacMarines Mailing List To: MacMarines Mailing List Subject: [Tidbit] More Mac Sightings Hullo MacMarines! Here's a new twist on the traditional something old, something new something borrowed and something blue... Two brides magazines, WeddingBells and Bride have featured the iMac in their home and gift suggestions. hmmm....where do I go to register for those? ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Wed Mar 10 17:45:10 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Damn regexes. It thought Dierdre's message was a request to > majordomo and bounced it. Deirdre. Like weirdre. (www.weirdre.com) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 10 17:34:32 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 05:45:10PM -0800 References: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990310173432.C30380@zork.net> On Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 05:45:10PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > Damn regexes. It thought Dierdre's message was a request to > > majordomo and bounced it. > > Deirdre. Like weirdre. (www.weirdre.com) D'oh! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Wed Mar 10 18:01:26 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Wed, 10 Mar 1999 17:20:53 -0800" References: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net> Message-ID: end >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: Nick> Damn regexes. It thought Dierdre's message was a Nick> request to majordomo and bounced it. See, I don't get this. I mean, sure, it SEEMS like it's this really h*lpful thing that will keep morons from sending usnrircube message to the list itself rather than to the bot address. But it usually ends up just swallowing lots of interesting messages, and, hell, if you have morons on your list, even if they're prevented from sending dopey flailing admin requests to the main address, they are going to find a way to send equally annoying stuff, anyways. So I say just turn off this feature in majordomo, y'know? ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Thu Mar 11 14:51:30 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [dmarti@electriclichen.com: Re: [svlug] Tux => silly?] Message-ID: <19990311145130.A19552@requiem.geecs.org> ----- Forwarded message from Don Marti ----- Date: Thu, 11 Mar 1999 13:09:24 -0800 From: Don Marti To: Ira Abramov Cc: make bzlilo Subject: Re: [svlug] Tux => silly? On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 12:39:25PM -0800, Ira Abramov wrote: > so says a journalist on HongKong's computerworld (did I mention it's > owned by IDG? :) > > http://www.cw.com.hk/Comment/c990308001.htm > But if Linux is to really fulfill the dream that so much of the > industry has -- to be released from the shackles of Microsoft -- it > needs to be approached with a lot more intelligence and a lot less > silliness. Otherwise it might just as well be OS/2. This guy is right, of course. OS/2 failed because it was too silly, because its mascot was too cute, and because it had some witty Scandanavian boasting that he wrote it out of laziness. I never knew that about OS/2, so I looked it up. The parallels are amazing. LarsOS (which, as OS/2 users will remember, was the name by which OS/2 identified itself at boot before the actual logo came up) was promoted as the "next big thing" by silly people worldwide. Chief among them was OS/2's creator, a wisecracking hacker named Lars (forgot his last name but it was something very Scandanavian), who originally wrote it to run rn so he could read alt.silly.silly.silly. And who could forget Quacky, the once-ubiquitous OS/2 duck? Because poor Qucky was much less professional-looking than the "wavy window" logo, developers abandoned OS/2 in droves and went over to Microsoft. Today he can be seen only on old OS/2 conference T-shirts (Rick Moen has one, I think.) We'd better get our act together here, people -- before Linux goes the way of OS/2. -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA -- echo "unsubscribe svlug" | mail majordomo@svlug.org ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ to unsubscribe see http://www.svlug.org/mdstuff/lists.shtml for posting guidelines. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 14:47:07 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet Message-ID: <19990311144707.I8204@zork.net> Oh boy oh boy! Al Gore CREATED the Internet! We need to draft up an April 1 RFC written as Al, now! Seth! We need you! ----- Forwarded message from Owen Thomas ----- D I T H E R A T I see the digerati dither, daily THE PAST IS PROLOGUE "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Vice President and Wannabe-Geek-in-Chief Al Gore, switching credit packets on the fly to offer up a version of Net history that's not quite a digit-for-digit copy, CNN, 09 March 1999 http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/ Ditherati appears daily on weekdays. An archive is online at http://www.ditherati.com/archive/ Quotes of note? Send 'em to . Want to advertise in Ditherati? Write to . Want off the list? Unsubscribe here: http://www.ditherati.com/unsubscribe/ Not able to use the Web form? Send email to: D I T H E R A T I http://www.ditherati.com/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 15:05:53 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [dmarti@electriclichen.com: Re: [svlug] Tux => silly?] In-Reply-To: <19990311145130.A19552@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: Ah, Seth, the implants are working again I see...and not just for Rick. I was intending on forwarding this post. :) _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 14:57:38 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] It's nice to know the bits don't come loose from the flash memory. Message-ID: <19990311145738.L8204@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull >From: guy@netapp.com (Guy Harris) The page at http://www.cnet.com/Content/Gadgets/Showcase/RioVsMpman/ss03.html has part 3 of a comparison review between the Rio and the MPMan MP3 players; it says: Both players were able to withstand a vigorous shaking with no skips whatsoever, ... ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 14:58:01 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Wouldn't 'e' be less expensive than 'i', given their frequency? Message-ID: <19990311145801.M8204@zork.net> ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- Forwarded-by: Nev Dull Forwarded-by: "Joel N. Weber II" Forwarded-by: Tami Friedman Forwarded-by: Lenny Foner sipb nq message at 12:21:35 Etceteric on SCRUBBING-BUBBLES Hi, I am wanting a new computer and I am liking the Macintosh because they seem to be pretty easy to use and they come in all those neat colors. I've heard a lot about the "imac" and that sounds like a good thing. However lately I've been hearing a lot about these things called "emacs" which are supposed to be really powerful and supposed to be able to do nearly anything. What I'm wondering is, how much more expensive are emacs than imacs, and should I get an imac or an emac? From what I have been hearing it sounds like I would want an emac, but if it's too expensive I can probably do without. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Thu Mar 11 15:09:54 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Wed, Mar 10, 1999 at 05:20:53PM -0800 References: <19990310172053.B30380@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990311150954.B19850@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > Damn regexes. It thought Dierdre's message was a request to > majordomo and bounced it. Nick, you should set up a regexp so that messages that say "Dierdre" get forwarded back to their senders with the subject owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: i before e at line 6 -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 15:10:14 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [kris@notel.com: [Pigdog] TNiPNaA] Message-ID: <19990311151013.P8204@zork.net> OK kids. Anyone wanna go? SpiceMonkey? I might drop by, but you'd have to convince me. ----- Forwarded message from Kris ----- Now we could make this a nice announcement and tell you how great this event is gonna be... but quite frankly, I just not in the mood... so instead, we're gonna threaten you. See if you don't attend TNiPNaA this evening I'm gonna run you over with my gas wasting SUV Evan is gonna spread vicious rumors about you across the Internet Bill is gonna shoot with a high powered people killing gun Thom Stark is gonna talk to you - personally Flesh is gonna make you listen to his "special" music Zack is gonna call up his alien friends and have them pay a visit Pao is gonna inject some unknown chemical into you Eugene is gonna attack you with nano-bots Nick is gonna use your Windoze machine... for just a minute MAJ is gonna use all of her "special" toys on you Lenny is gonna make you an honorary Canadian Trevor is gonna spike your drink Muddock is gonna just hurt you... nothing fancy... just pain Mike X is gonna talk to you about Ayn Rand - until you get it Amy is gonna make you play with her dolls and then hurt you when you touch Ken Erin is gonna decorate your living room... hillbilly style, and then invite your mom over Tjames is gonna lock you in a small room and then smoke a cartoon of cigs George is gonna play poker will you - till you aint got any money Splicer is gonna drag you to an AA meeting - where you'll stay until you swear off booze forever Meredith is gonna teach how to spell RESPECT... the hard way QSTR is gonna send you incomprehensible emails until your head explodes P a u l is gonna make you listen to Metal Rock til your ears bleed. and we got more... only what they're gonna do to you is to terrible to even mention. So... either be at the ALBATROSS this evening (from 8 to whenever) or suffer the consciences. The ALBATROSS PUB 1822 San Pablo Ave. (between Hearst and Delaware) Berkeley, CA 94702 (510) 843-2473 You - if you miss this version to TNiPNaA | | \/ \ | | \ """"""""" / \ """""""'""""/ \""""'"|'"""""---- "\""'""|""'""" -----"""\""'"""""""\ """'""'""'""" \ e@@@@@@@@@^"""'"""""'"" \ _@@@@@@@@@@@ ee""""e"""".@e _e@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@"@~~~~~~~~@@@.@@~~~~~~.@@e @ @@@@.@ . ..@@@@ . . ..@ @ @@@@." ... ..@@@@e. . ...@ @."@@@@@eeeeeeee@@~ ~@@eeeeee@@@ @e.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ | @@@@@@@@@' @eeeeeee@@@@@@@[ : ]@@@@@' "'"""@@@@@@@::@::@@@@@ '"""" @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ""'" v@@@@@@@@@v@@@v@@ "'" V VV V V V A Buzzkill Production ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Thu Mar 11 16:28:20 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Wouldn't 'e' be less expensive than 'i', given their frequency? In-Reply-To: <19990311145801.M8204@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from glen mccready ----- > Forwarded-by: Nev Dull > Forwarded-by: "Joel N. Weber II" > Forwarded-by: Tami Friedman > Forwarded-by: Lenny Foner > > sipb nq message at 12:21:35 > Etceteric on SCRUBBING-BUBBLES > > Hi, I am wanting a new computer and I am liking the Macintosh because they > seem to be pretty easy to use and they come in all those neat colors. > I've heard a lot about the "imac" and that sounds like a good thing. > However lately I've been hearing a lot about these things called "emacs" > which are supposed to be really powerful and supposed to be able to do > nearly anything. What I'm wondering is, how much more expensive are emacs > than imacs, and should I get an imac or an emac? From what I have been > hearing it sounds like I would want an emac, but if it's too expensive I > can probably do without. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- Sorry. I can't resist: "You want fries with that?" +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 15:24:31 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: <19990311150954.B19850@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Nick, you should set up a regexp so that messages that say "Dierdre" get > forwarded back to their senders with the subject > > owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: i before e at line 6 Yeah, then maybe he wouldn't spell my name wrong in LinuxWorld articles. ::sniff:: _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 15:35:03 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [kris@notel.com: [Pigdog] TNiPNaA] In-Reply-To: <19990311151013.P8204@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > I'm gonna run you over with my gas wasting SUV I should give the dude my spiked tires. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Thu Mar 11 15:35:43 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 14:47:07 -0800" References: <19990311144707.I8204@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "NM" == Nick Moffitt writes: NM> Oh boy oh boy! Al Gore CREATED the Internet! We need NM> to draft up an April 1 RFC written as Al, now! Seth! We need NM> you! Wait a hoosie here, Nick-o. This isn't totally insane, you know. The Internet, as we all know, was started as a gov't project in the early seventies. Al was in Congress as of 1976. Now, I can see someone who was part of the appropriations or oversight process in Congress saying that they "took the initiative in creating the Internet." I don't think that's really that far fetched. Sure, he was only the equivalent of a management dweeb, but that's part of the development process, after all. Anyways, if Al was a Congressional advocate or even just a backer, I'd say it was a pretty fair statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." Now, if that's NOT true, well... Then he's a real big liar. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 15:52:37 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The Incredible Star Wars Trailer Meme Message-ID: I swear, if I hear it one more time, I might scream. Granted, we have a whole bunch of people here who have done a lot of film industry work, but the trailer has *literally* crawled its way from one cube to the next -- only on those 'puters capable of playing QuickTime of course. I think I've heard it about 20 times today and seen it at least four. Of course, when Entertainment Tonight comes on, all the vampires (those who stay late) will be pulling out the huge monitors to watch it on. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 15:48:56 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:14 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 03:24:31PM -0800 References: <19990311150954.B19850@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990311154856.Q8204@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 03:24:31PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > Nick, you should set up a regexp so that messages that say > > "Dierdre" get forwarded back to their senders with the subject > > > > owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: i before > > e at line 6 > > Yeah, then maybe he wouldn't spell my name wrong in LinuxWorld > articles. ::sniff:: Actually, I fixed that a couple days ago in the http://zork.net/crackmonkey/travel.html version -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 16:07:14 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [owner-crackmonkey@zork.net: BOUNCE crackmonkey@zork.net: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6] In-Reply-To: <19990311154856.Q8204@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Yeah, then maybe he wouldn't spell my name wrong in LinuxWorld > > articles. ::sniff:: > > Actually, I fixed that a couple days ago in the > http://zork.net/crackmonkey/travel.html version ::rereading the old story about Loscon now that I know y'all:: -- my cube neighbors are complaining about the laughter :) "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 16:49:45 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Travels with Rick Moen, part deux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All right you crackmonkey fans, I have my own scrawlings about Travels With Rick Moen up on my site (www.deirdre.net/travels_rm.html). I still have more to transcribe, etc and I have to do some tweaking (making the Rick Moen part bigger ), but it's up there. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 16:50:38 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Mar 1999 evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > The Internet, as we all know, was started as a gov't project in the > early seventies. Al was in Congress as of 1976. Try mid-sixties. The internet will be 30 this September by some counts. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Thu Mar 11 17:07:15 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Travels with Rick Moen, part deux In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:49:45PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990311170715.A4421@electriclichen.com> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:49:45PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > All right you crackmonkey fans, I have my own scrawlings about Travels > With Rick Moen up on my site (www.deirdre.net/travels_rm.html). I still > have more to transcribe, etc and I have to do some tweaking (making the > Rick Moen part bigger ), but it's up there. And a link to http://www.starport.com/people/steve/Doc/Songs/0Index.html perhaps? -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 17:09:17 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Travels with Rick Moen, part deux In-Reply-To: <19990311170715.A4421@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: > On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:49:45PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > All right you crackmonkey fans, I have my own scrawlings about Travels > > With Rick Moen up on my site (www.deirdre.net/travels_rm.html). I still > > have more to transcribe, etc and I have to do some tweaking (making the > > Rick Moen part bigger ), but it's up there. > > And a link to > http://www.starport.com/people/steve/Doc/Songs/0Index.html perhaps? Yeah! Or especially: /mushroom.html and /alphabet.html :) Right now it's linkless. ::sniff:: _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From zen at zork.net Thu Mar 11 17:00:30 1999 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Travels with Rick Moen, part deux In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:49:45PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990311170029.A14179@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 04:49:45PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > All right you crackmonkey fans, I have my own scrawlings about Travels > With Rick Moen up on my site (www.deirdre.net/travels_rm.html). I still > have more to transcribe, etc and I have to do some tweaking (making the > Rick Moen part bigger ), but it's up there. If it's about Rick Moen, it's enough. -- ------ They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; They pursued it with forks and hope; They threatened its life with a railway-share; They charmed it with smiles and soap. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 17:13:39 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Travels with Rick Moen, part deux In-Reply-To: <19990311170029.A14179@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, George Moffitt wrote: > If it's about Rick Moen, it's enough. I think I'll leave that line alone. ;) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From zen at zork.net Thu Mar 11 17:05:36 1999 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Wouldn't 'e' be less expensive than 'i', given their frequency? In-Reply-To: <19990311145801.M8204@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:58:01PM -0800 References: <19990311145801.M8204@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990311170535.B14179@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 02:58:01PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > However lately I've been hearing a lot about these things called "emacs" > which are supposed to be really powerful and supposed to be able to do > nearly anything. What I'm wondering is, how much more expensive are emacs > than imacs, and should I get an imac or an emac? From what I have been > hearing it sounds like I would want an emac, but if it's too expensive I > can probably do without. I can see it now... GNU: Better than the iMac. -- ------ They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; They pursued it with forks and hope; They threatened its life with a railway-share; They charmed it with smiles and soap. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Thu Mar 11 20:26:37 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Lock Up on Daylight Saving Transition. Message-ID: <4.1.19990311202456.03bc09a0@soundwave.usfca.edu> Just about rolled out of my chair laughing after I read this one. >Approved-By: Russ.Cooper@RC.ON.CA >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) >Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 11:41:28 +1030 >Reply-To: "Michael, James" >Sender: Windows NT BugTraq Mailing List >From: "Michael, James" >Subject: Lock Up on Daylight Saving Transition. >To: NTBUGTRAQ@LISTSERV.NTBUGTRAQ.COM > >If an NT server is rebooted in the hour following the end of daylight >savings (time back 1 hour), it will lock up at either the logon screen or >the blue kernel load screen. Cycling power will not fix this problem until >1 hour has passes since the transition period. > >For example, set time to 1:59:55am on the end of daylight savings date. >Allow NT to transition to 1:00am. >Shutdown and restart. Server locks up. > >Rebooting, or power cycling with the time still prior to 2:00am will result >in the server hanging. >Changing the BIOS time to 2:00am onwards will resolve this issue. > >This bug applies to all NT servers running less than SP4. >SP4 resolves this issue, but not intentionally. > >This issue has been confirmed by Microsoft, and will release an article. > >James Michael >Client Server Engineering >EDS Australia >Level 9 108 North Terrace >Adelaide, SA 5000 >Phone: (08) 8464 1318 >mailto:james.michael@eds.com +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 20:17:07 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Lock Up on Daylight Saving Transition. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990311202456.03bc09a0@soundwave.usfca.edu>; from Derek Vadala on Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:26:37PM -0800 References: <4.1.19990311202456.03bc09a0@soundwave.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <19990311201707.W8204@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 11, 1999 at 08:26:37PM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > Just about rolled out of my chair laughing after I read this one. > > >Sender: Windows NT BugTraq Mailing List [snip] > >This bug applies to all NT servers running less than SP4. > >SP4 resolves this issue, but not intentionally. "SP2, however, intentionally introduced this issue." -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 11 20:51:51 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Portuguese Coffee Makers Message-ID: <19990311205151.Y8204@zork.net> In honor of Rick's purchase of a $170 portuguese coffee maker (no joke!), I'm posting some select quotations from the old alt.coffee FAQ. I think I remember contributing to that some six years ago, but it's all anonymous so I can't recall what might have been mine. [...] 2. Quality of coffee The quality of a brew depend on the following factors (in no particular order): 1. Time since grinding the beans. 2. Time since roasting. 3. Cleanliness with brewing equipment. 4. Bean quality (what crop etc). 5. Water quality. Fact: Unless you are buying some major debris, bean quality is not very important, as compared to 1-3 and 5. Fact: A coffee can in the supermarket often contains major debris, so be careful when you choose. (See note below). Fact: Once you have freshly roasted and ground coffee, filtered water and equipment free of oil residues from the last brew, quality of beans makes a huge difference. NOTE: A coffee can in the supermarket often contains a blend of Arabica and robusta beans while most coffee houses sell only arabica beans. Arabica beans are usually flavour rich, while robusta beans have more caffeine, less flavour and are cheaper to produce. When you buy coffee, whether in a coffee house or in a supermarket, you want to get 100% arabica, except for espresso blends, which are a combination of both. For freshness, in a coffee house it is better to buy popular blends that move fast, while in a supermarket vacuum packaged containers with expiry date are your best bet. [...] * Peripherals and Secondary Storage 1. Proper care of coffee makers... It is very important that you wash your coffee maker pot and filter container thoroughly at least once a week. Bitter oils stick to the glass container and plastic filter holder. I used to wash the plastic filter container and rinse the glass pot. Coffee started to taste bad. When I was told to wash both thoroughly with plenty of soap the flavour improved instantly. Note: To the naked eye rinsed and soap washed pots look the same (clean that is). Some drip coffee makers require periodic cleansing with a solution of water and vinegar. If you have a coffee/teapot, the inside of which is stained with oily brown residues - also plastic/metal coffee filters, tea strainers, and stainless steel sinks in caffeine-o-phile houses - they can be restored to a shining, brand-spanking-new state by washing in hot washing powder (detergent). Get a large plastic jug, add 2..3 heaped tablespoons of Daz Automatic or Bold or whatever, and about a pint of hot water - just off the boil is the best. Swill the jug around until the detergent is dissolved, and then pour into tea/coffeepot, and let it stand for 5 minutes, swilling the pot around occasionally, just to keep the detergent moving. Put the lid on and shake it a few times (care: slippery + hot) Repeat as necessary. Keep it hot with a little boiling water if needed. If you have a cafetiere, dissemble it, and soak the parts in the mixture for a few minutes, agitating occasionally. In both cases, the residue just falls off with almost no scrubbing. It does great things with over-used filter machine filters, too. Important: Rinse off all detergent afterwards, use lots of fresh water. [...] 6. How to make the best cup of coffee? The best coffee I ever tasted was while in the coffee growing regions of Mexico, in the state of Veracruz, in the town of Coatepec. The quality of the coffee was mostly due to the method of preparation than to the quality of the grains (which is at about the same level as an average colombian coffee). Here's how to make it: o Grind the coffee grains from coarse to very coarse. o Boil in a pan a litre of water (four cups). o When the water is boiling, turn off the stove and add 8-12 table spoons of coffee (2-3 spoons per each cup). o Add two-three teaspoons of sugar per cup (for a total of 8-12 spoons of sugar). o Stir very slowly (the water is so hot that the sugar dissolves mostly on its own). o Let the coffee rest for about 5 minutes. o Strain the coffee using a metal strainer! Like the ones used for cooking. The strainer should be like the ones used by granny for making tea. The diameter is a bit smaller that a cup, with a semi-sphere shape. o This coffee has grit in the bottom, even after being strained. Therefore do not stir the pot or the cup. If the coffee is shaked, let it rest for about five minutes. Needless to say, do not drink the last sip of coffee from the cup: it's all grit. If you want to add milk, add carnation. Warning: This coffee may fool you 'cause it has a very smooth taste but is extremely strong. Caffeine content per millilitre is right there with espresso, but you can't tell! Note: For some strange reason, when preparing this coffee I tend to have a success ratio of about one out of two attempts. I still don't know what I'm doing wrong, since, as far as I can tell, always repeat the same steps. Perhaps sometimes I don't let the coffee rest long enough. This type of coffee is similar in nature to the French press. And in principle, you could possibly add sugar to the ground coffee, then pour water, and lastly press with the strainer. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Thu Mar 11 21:30:37 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Portuguese Coffee Makers In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Thu, 11 Mar 1999 20:51:51 -0800" References: <19990311205151.Y8204@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: Nick> The quality of a brew depend on the following factors (in no Nick> particular order): Nick> 1. Time since grinding the beans. Nick> 2. Time since roasting. Nick> 3. Cleanliness with brewing equipment. Nick> 4. Bean quality (what crop etc). Nick> 5. Water quality. 6. Using only Portuguese coffee makers. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 11 21:34:56 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Portuguese Coffee Makers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 11 Mar 1999 evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > 6. Using only Portuguese coffee makers. I have to ask: is it a short coffee maker? _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Thu Mar 11 21:52:12 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] no subject could do this justice Message-ID: <4.1.19990311215035.03775e80@soundwave.usfca.edu> http://user.tninet.se/~dwu495f/sounds.html I'm not even sure what to say. Get the MP3 players ready. Trust me on this one. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 12:01:36 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] JOBOP psychiatrist (fwd) Message-ID: I think someone needs a shrink, n'est-ce pas? It's a LONG way from being a Linux geek(ess) to being a shrink. Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:01:44 -0500 (EST) From: 915630@candseek.com To: deeny@lightlink.com Subject: JOBOP psychiatrist Since your email address was listed on a related web site page or database, I thought you might help. I am seeking an individual within the following conditions: Behavioral health system seeking psychiatrist to either take over practice of retiring psychiatrist or develop independent practice. Area in need of psychiatrists. Managed care about 60%. One hour evaluations, 30 minute med checks. Plenty of opportunity to develop services. Hospital offers income guarantee plus benefits. Excellent income potential in solid, rapidly growing community. Geographic Location of Position: central Ohio If you know anyone that might be interested, please forward this to them or contact: Ellen Ufberg Premier Consultants Fax: 215-576-8983 Email: 915630@candseek.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Mar 12 05:13:55 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Portuguese Coffee Makers In-Reply-To: <19990311205151.Y8204@zork.net> References: <19990311205151.Y8204@zork.net> Message-ID: <14057.2850.898974.367491@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Nick Moffitt writes: > If you have a coffee/teapot, the inside of which is stained with ^^^^^^ > oily brown residues - also plastic/metal coffee filters, tea > strainers, and stainless steel sinks in caffeine-o-phile houses - they > can be restored to a shining, brand-spanking-new state by washing in > hot washing powder (detergent). I must state most emphatically that only coffee-brewing barbars would even think about the sacrilege of bringing even traces of detergents within the Holy Vessel ordinarily occupied by pure St. Darjeeling. Those afflicted by affinity to drosser droughts may contemplate utilize oxygene-free gas blankets (such as nitrogen or argon) for - urk - coffee preparation and storage, which should dramatically increase its nonbitter-half-lifetime. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From jason at cc.wwu.edu Fri Mar 12 12:42:39 1999 From: jason at cc.wwu.edu (Jason McKee) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] PDP-11! Message-ID: <199903122042.MAA09691@titan.cc.wwu.edu> The fastest PDP on the planet is software emulated on a PC. telnet to demo.dbit.com -Jason ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Fri Mar 12 13:58:42 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] PDP-11! In-Reply-To: <199903122042.MAA09691@titan.cc.wwu.edu> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Jason McKee wrote: > > The fastest PDP on the planet is software emulated on a PC. telnet to demo.dbit.com > > -Jason Excellent. I can put the PDP-11 processor handbook and reference that I looted from my high school years back to good use! +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at cc.wwu.edu Fri Mar 12 13:34:38 1999 From: katy at cc.wwu.edu (Katy Calbreath) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Crackmonkey facts Message-ID: In honor of it being Friday, and me trying to do as little as possible, here's some truly crackmonkied facts. -Katy My favorite is the 420/pulp fiction. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Nothing in Particular >> >> * Rubber bands last longer when refrigerated. >> * Peanuts are one of the ingredients of dynamite. >> * The national anthem of Greece has 158 verses. No one in >> Greece has memorized all 158 verses. >> * There are 293 ways to make change for a dollar. >> * The average person's left hand does 56% of the typing. >> * A shark is the only fish that can blink with both eyes. >> * There are more chickens than people in the world. >> * Two-thirds of the worlds eggplant is grown in New >> Jersey. >> * The longest one-syllable word in the English language is >> "screeched." >> * All of the clocks in the movie "Pulp Fiction" are stuck >> on 4:20. >> * No word in the English language rhymes with month, >> orange, silver or purple. >> * "Dreamt" is the only English word that ends in the >> letters "mt". >> * All 50 states are listed across the top of the Lincoln >> Memorial on the back of the $5 bill. >> * Almonds are a member of the peach family. >> * Winston Churchill was born in a ladies' room during a >> dance. >> * Maine is the only state whose name is just one syllable. >> * There are only four words in the English language which >> end in "-dous": tremendous, Horrendous, stupendous >> and hazardous. >> * Los Angeles's full name is "El Pueblo de Neustra Senora >> la Reina de los angeles de Porciuncula"-and can be >> abbreviated to 3.63% of its size: "L.A." >> * A cat has 32 muscles in each ear. >> * An ostrich's eye is bigger than its brain. >> * Tigers have striped skin, not just striped fur. >> * In most advertisements, including newspapers, the time displayed >on a watch is 10:10. >> * Al Capone's business card said he was a used furniture dealer. >> * The only real person to be a Pez head was Betsy Ross. >> * When the University of Nebraska Cornhuskers play football at >home, the stadium becomes the states third largest city. >> * The characters Bert and Ernie on Sesame Street were named after the cop and Ernie the taxi driver in Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful >> Life." >> * A dragonfly has a life span of 24 hours. >> * A goldfish has a memory span of three seconds. >> * A dime has 118 ridges around the edge. >> * On an American one-dollar bill, there is an owl in the upper >> left-hand corner of the "1" encased in the "shield" and a spider hidden in the front upper right hand corner. >> * It's impossible to sneeze with your eyes open. (DON'T try this @ >> home!) >> * The giant squid has the largest eyes in the world. >> * Who's that playing piano on the "Mad About You" theme? Paul >Riser himself. >> * In England, the Speaker of the House is not allowed to speak. >> * The name for Oz in the "Wizard of Oz" was thought up when >> the creator, Frank Baum, looked at his filing cabinet and >> saw A-N, and O-Z, hence "Oz." >> * The microwave was invented after a researcher walked by a radar >> tube and a chocolate bar melted in his pocket. >> * Mr. Rogers is an ordained minister. >> * John Lennon's first girlfriend was named Thelma Pickles. >> * The average person falls asleep in seven minutes. >> * There are 336 dimples on a regulation golf ball. >> * "Stewardesses" is the longest word that is typed with >> only the left hand. ________________________________________________________________ Get secure free e-mail that you don't need Web access to use from Juno, the world's second largest online service. Download your free software at http://www.juno.com/getit.b.html. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Fri Mar 12 13:28:56 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The Internet, as we all know, was started as a gov't project in the > early seventies. Al was in Congress as of 1976. 1968. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Fri Mar 12 13:31:46 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Lock Up on Daylight Saving Transition. In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990311202456.03bc09a0@soundwave.usfca.edu> Message-ID: And that's why I love NT. With NT around, I'll NEVER be out of a job! ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 13:45:38 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] YIKES!!!!! (fwd) Message-ID: Check it: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19990312S0008 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Fri Mar 12 15:36:55 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Katy wrote: > > > The Internet, as we all know, was started as a gov't project in the > > early seventies. Al was in Congress as of 1976. > > 1968. > It's actual inception date as a DOD/Research network isn't the only important date in the creation of the Internet. Perhaps there was legislation during Al's period in Congress that helped provide more funding or helped to shift it away from iron-fist DOD control eventually leading its mass use. Gore's boats is completely legitimate in either of these cases despite the fact that the actual network was first assembled in '68. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Fri Mar 12 15:34:59 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] No you're the pope... Message-ID: http://everything.slashdot.org/everything.pl?node=kurt+the+pope&sid=Guestuser&lastnode=The+Pope Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 12 15:30:52 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Pi day Message-ID: <19990312153051.D19894@zork.net> OK folks, at 1:59 PM on Sunday (March 14 at 1:59 PM or 3.14159), it will be officially "Pi day"! The exploratorium is having a huge party. Pi day also happens to be Einstein's birthday! Let's go and eat pie! Who's with me? http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/ -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 15:50:46 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Pi day In-Reply-To: <19990312153051.D19894@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > OK folks, at 1:59 PM on Sunday (March 14 at 1:59 PM or > 3.14159), it will be officially "Pi day"! The exploratorium is having > a huge party. Pi day also happens to be Einstein's birthday! Let's > go and eat pie! Who's with me? > http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/ Dammit, I've been wanting to go there for *years*. :( I wanna go, I wanna go! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Fri Mar 12 21:29:18 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: ; from Katy on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 01:28:56PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990312212918.A28989@requiem.geecs.org> Katy writes: > > The Internet, as we all know, was started as a gov't project in the > > early seventies. Al was in Congress as of 1976. > > 1968. 1976, according to Gore's own web site at whitehouse.gov. Why do I know this? Because I am taking Nick's advice and writing an RFC: White House Al Gore Request for Comments: nnnn Office of the Vice President Category: Informational April 1999 Internet History - A Retrospective -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 12 21:57:36 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: <19990312212918.A28989@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:29:18PM -0800 References: <19990312212918.A28989@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990312215736.I20673@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 12, 1999 at 09:29:18PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Why do I know this? Because I am taking Nick's advice and writing > an RFC: Seth, you da pope! Wow, Seth just called me, and the RFC is a riot. Well, see you at CABAL, man. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 22:30:14 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: <19990312215736.I20673@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Wow, Seth just called me, and the RFC is a riot. Well, see > you at CABAL, man. And I'll see y'all at the CABAL too. I arrive at 11 ish. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 22:34:34 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore created the Internet In-Reply-To: <19990312212918.A28989@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 12 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > 1976, according to Gore's own web site at whitehouse.gov. > > Why do I know this? Because I am taking Nick's advice and writing an RFC: > > White House Al Gore > Request for Comments: nnnn Office of the Vice President > Category: Informational April 1999 Seth, you're just too damn cool. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 12 22:41:08 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Re: [NIC-990313.6dc] SPUDMONKEY.ORG (fwd) Message-ID: Nick, it's all your fault. :) Whatever am I gonna tell Iain Brown, my DNS second? Seth, do ya think he can handle it? :) Worse, it happened on L Ron Hubbard's birthday!!!! Oh no!!!!! (note that they have my phone # wrong because I hadn't finished processing the NIC handle change first) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Mark Jarvis of Oracle, in his keynote "This is Linux's coming-out party" -- Linus Torvalds, in his keynote "What, is it gay?" -- Rick Moen, during Linus' keynote ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 01:37:20 -0500 (EST) From: Domain Registration Role Account To: deirdre@deirdre.net Subject: Re: [NIC-990313.6dc] SPUDMONKEY.ORG Registration for the domain name shown below has been completed. 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From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sat Mar 13 02:03:04 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] RFC 3000 Message-ID: <19990313020304.A30935@requiem.geecs.org> A draft of RFC 3000, "Internet History - A Retrospective", by Al Gore, will be available for perusal by attendees at tomorrow's CABAL meeting at the CoffeeNet. After that meeting, I'll plan to forward that draft to this list. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sat Mar 13 16:02:28 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] BeroLinux Message-ID: I mentioned to Nick and Rick the BeroLinux distribution, a whacked-up RedHat 5.2 with some extra packages that's compiled with optimizations for either Pentium or K6 processors. I thought it was cool, because it's the first full distribution I've heard of that was optimized for the K6, which I think is a kick-ass chip. Anyways, here's the URL: http://www.berolinux.za.net/index.html Unfortunately, they got slashdotted and closed down the download page. Heh. ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Mar 13 17:56:16 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] BeroLinux In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 13 Mar 1999 evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > I thought it was cool, because it's the first full distribution I've > heard of that was optimized for the K6, which I think is a kick-ass > chip. I agree. I'll have to look for it when it returns. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Sat Mar 13 18:25:01 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] BeroLinux In-Reply-To: Deirdre Saoirse's message of "Sat, 13 Mar 1999 17:56:16 -0800 (PST)" References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Deirdre" == Deirdre Saoirse writes: Deirdre> I agree. I'll have to look for it when it returns. Yeah. I've now got it in my addled little brain to rebuild all the Debian packages with PGCC using the K6 optimizations. Of course, I'll take a huge amount of credit and probably call it "k-R4D L1nUx" or something. Considering I've never built a .deb from source, this is probably gonna take a while, but after building the first few I don't think it would be all that hard. And, hell, I have even less idea of how to build other types of packages from other distributions. Aw, who am I kidding? I'm never gonna do this. I'm just talking through my hat. OK, so, cool. ~ESP -- ESP -- Pigdog Journal -- http://www.pigdog.org/ -- Home of the Big Fear since 1989 -- Bad Crazyness at Impossible Speeds whats Canadia's biggest product? cannibalism ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sat Mar 13 20:39:39 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore's "Internet History - A Retrospective" Message-ID: <19990313203939.A3505@requiem.geecs.org> White House Al Gore Request for Comments: 3000 Office of the Vice President Category: Informational April 1999 Internet History - A Retrospective Status of this Memo This memo provides information for the Internet community. This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Introduction It is a pleasure to witness the remarkable success and expansion of the Internet, which has led to economic growth, prosperity, and jobs for so many Americans. The Internet has further helped bring the entire human family closer together, by expanding communications worldwide. This Information Superhighway has helped businesses, schools, and communities find and share they information they critically need. It is especially exciting to me, as one of the principal creators of the Internet, to see the expanded role of the Information Superhighway in society today. In March 1999, I happened to mention in a widely-cited interview that [d]uring my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.[1] Many of my constituents, familiar with my work in social and environmental policy, were previously unaware of the nature of my technical contributions to the early Internet. A number of them contacted me to ask for the details of my involvement. I have therefore decided to produce the present memo as an outline of some of this history. It is my pleasure to present it in the hope that it will be of some use to amateur Internet historians and other interested citizens. This paper provides historical recollections of the development of the Information Superhighway and (on a personal note) how I took the initiative in creating it. Early History of the Internet The Internet first came into being during my term in the House, as a direct response to a bill co-sponsored by myself and a number of my colleagues with an interest in expanding the opportunities available to Americans with the creation of an Information Superhighway. With the assistance of a number of fine researchers in both the public and private sectors, I immediately set to work creating an architecture for the new network. I came to realize that the new Information Superhighway would require a large number of standard protocols to allow computers to communicate with one another easily. Therefore, with the advice of my colleagues in the House, I began by publishing the first draft of the Internet Protocol[2], the basic building block of the Internet. If you think of the Internet as a highway, my Internet Protocol is something like a chip of concrete or asphalt which is used to pave that highway. Since IP was useful only for getting low-level information from one place to another, which was not sufficient for all of the applications to which I anticipated my fellow Americans would desire to put this new technology, I also produced several companion protocols. Gore [Page 1] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 I initially developed the Transmission Control Protocol[3], User Datagram Protocol[4], and Internet Control Message Protocol[5] in order to bring flexible session-level communications to American society. These protocols serve as higher-level guidelines, like road markings or street signs on a highway, to provide a reliable and robust communications architecture for future generations. Further Development of the Internet Late in my term as Representative from Tennessee, I developed a number of high-level applications on top of the TCP. Recognizing the invaluable role e-mail could play in supporting education and commerce, I invented it and documented a protocol (the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol[6]) and an Internet standard format[7] for its transmission. Amidst a program of progressive social legislation, I ran a successful election campaign for the United States Senate, and was sworn in to this office in 1985. As a Senator, I continued my efforts to develop and improve the Information Superhighway, creating increasingly sophisticated programs and protocols for dealing with the challenges facing a networked society. It rapidly became necessary, as a part of the growing Internet, to allow for the transfer of data files from place to place. Almost immediately after the beginning of my first Senate term, my office began to receive a number of calls from concerned citizens from Tennessee and elsewhere, who argued that the future of America's youth might be severely handicapped unless the government acted quickly to guarantee a means of remote file copying. My colleagues and I responded to such concerns with the File Transfer Protocol[8]. During my Senate term, I was also instrumental in the development of the new Domain Name System ([9], [10], [11]). I also worked to ensure that the e-mail systems I had invented only a few years before would receive the necessary guidance to stay modern and competitive. My leadership resulted in a specification[12] which detailed the interaction between e-mail and the DNS, thus guaranteeing that U.S. industry would remain at the forefront of networking technology for years to come. I further improved e-mail facilities by creating the Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions[13], which further expanded the power of electronic mail to carry more types of information of importance to my constituents. Challenging Times for the Information Superhighway Late in my second term in the United States Senate, the Internet faced a number of significant challenges associated with its continued growth. I worked to build partnerships between the public and private sectors to help resolve these problems and keep the Information Superhighway available and useful for all Americans. As IP address space began to appear scarce, I led an IETF Working Group charged with finding solutions to the problems associated with address scarcity. I have always been a dedicated conservationist, convinced that it is essential for Americans to protect their limited natural resources; I drew on my experiences within the environmental movement to illustrate the need to conserve IP address space. Though a few short-sighted elements within the business community initially resisted these conservations efforts, I was ultimately able to build a broad bi-partisan consensus and demonstrate to all concerned that Gore [Page 2] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 protecting our IP address space for the benefit of future generations is in the interest of all Americans. I produced several concrete proposals to improve address space conservation, not least of which was Classless Inter-Domain Routing[14], which allowed ordinary Americans to make more efficient use of their IP address allocations. It also allowed thousands of previously wasted IP addresses to be reclaimed and recycled. Toward the end of my second Senate term, I turned my legislative and technical efforts toward the developing market of dial-up Internet access, which was beginning to become a significant factor in the task of bringing access to the Information Superhighway to the public on a large scale. My initial efforts yielded the Serial Line Internet Protocol[15], to which I later added the Point-to-Point Protocol[16]. With the help of my friend and colleague Van Jacobsen, I created a collection of techniques for IP header compression[17] to alleviate the burden that full-scale uncompressed IP over a dialup link posed for the average American. Beginning during my second term as Senator, and continuing into my first term as Vice President, I also spearheaded the World Wide Web project, a new milestone in communications, which helped make the Information Superhighway more accessible to everyone. Thanks to the combination of the Hypertext Transport Protocol[18] and Hypertext Markup Language[19], the World Wide Web was able to transform the way people across the nation made use of the Internet. Finally, I worked to address the concern that, with the growth of the Web and of large-scale commercial dial-up use, Internet routing was becoming unworkably complex, and needed to be handled in a more elegant, sophisticated, logical, and efficient manner. Through a partnership between public and private sectors, I helped produce a pioneering early version of the Border Gateway Protocol, which set the stage for the current Border Gateway Protocol, Version 4[20], which I was eventually honored to co-author as Vice President. The Clipper and Capstone Initiatives Over time, many of the users of the Internet began to express concerns about their privacy and the confidentiality of their communications. In response to their concerns, the President and I developed a powerful and flexible architecture designed to, as the President put it, bring the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary program to improve the security and privacy of ... communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law enforcement.[21] The President and I noted that we had carefully considered a number of important factors. -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to employ voice or data encryption for business purposes; -- the ability of authorized officials to access telephone calls and data, under proper court or other legal order, when necessary to protect our citizens; -- the effective and timely use of the most modern technology to build the National Information Gore [Page 3] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 Infrastructure needed to promote economic growth and the competitiveness of American industry in the global marketplace; and -- the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export high technology products.[21] We carefully considered the concerns raised by law enforcement and privacy advocacy groups, and discovered that the apparent conflicts between their opinions were illusory; in fact, both concerns can be, and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned, balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper Chip" and similar encryption techniques.[21] Our Administration additionally developed a sophisticated counterpart of Clipper for data communications, called Capstone. Capstone is capable of directly protecting the Information Superhighway and Americans' private communications. Despite occasional industry opposition, the Administration has remained committed to its fundamental principles of citizens' privacy and lawful law enforcement access, and believes, as an independent review found[22], that the encryption algorithms employed in Clipper and Capstone are secure and state-of-the-art. We are very proud of all that we have accomplished with Clipper and Capstone, which demonstrate the commitment of our Administration to improving Americans' privacy on the Information Superhighway. The Development of the World Wide Web and Parental Advisories As noted above, the development of the World Wide Web (WWW) brought untold opportunities for the use of the Information Superhighway in all areas of American society. Unfortunately, it also brought with it risks and challenges. Since my design for the WWW included simple facilities for the transmission of pictures and diagrams, the WWW could also be used to transmit undesirable and inappropriate materials. My wife Mary Elizabeth (Tipper) has had a lifelong concern for the health, safety, and well-being of our children, and has long been a tireless advocate for parental notification and control of explicit Internet datagrams, which represent one of the greatest threats to the well-being of our children. During my term as Vice President, Tipper and I learned that the widespread availability of explicit datagrams on the Internet was a subject of serious concern to parents and teachers all across our nation. Tipper devoted herself for several years to the remarkably challenging task of crafting solutions to these problems which would protect our children and at the same time respect Americans' rights to freedom of speech. I was extremely proud of Tipper's work and what resulted from it. She was instrumental in the development of the Platform for Internet Content Selection[23], a neutral, flexible, W3C-endorsed architecture for allowing parents to make responsible choices about the kinds of material their children could access over the Internet. Tipper further showed the strength of her character by defending her efforts in the face of numerous criticisms. When critics claimed that PICS facilitated automated censorship and would be used by oppressive regimes to infringe on the human rights of their subjects, my wife staunchly defended her efforts. I stood behind her and gave her my strongest possible support, and, in time, the charges that PICS facilitated censorship and violations of the Universal Declaration of Gore [Page 4] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 Human Rights were soundly rebuffed by the W3C: Some people argue that unrestricted access to information is a fundamental human rights question that transcends national sovereignty. W3C has not adopted that position. [...] W3C leaves this question to the political and legal processes of each country.[24] It is a remarkable credit to Tipper that she was willing to defend the principle that access to information is not a human rights question, but is more properly a narrow technical and parental control issue, at a time when this point of view was the subject of considerable controversy. I am extremely proud of her efforts on both advocacy and technical fronts, which have managed to secure a considerable voluntary consensus in the media industry in favor of parental advisory labels. At about the same time that Tipper was developing PICS, I consulted with those Senators and Representatives who seemed especially dedicated to the cause of protecting our children, and encouraged them to take further action toward these ends. The result was the bipartisan Communications Decency Act of 1996, which enjoyed wide support throughout the nation. Regrettably, the CDA was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1997[25]. This Court decision, however, has made Tipper's work all the more essential in assuring that parents retain control over the information their children obtain. Internet in the Balance In 1992, during my first Vice Presidential election campaign, I published my book _Internet in the Balance: Internetworking and the Human Spirit_[26]. I believe that this book provides an excellent overview of the history of the Internet and the roles played by myself and by my colleagues in its formation. _Internet in the Balance_ expressed my concerns as a lifelong Internet activist about the future of the Internet. I described the latest scientific findings concerning the health and sustainability of the Internet, as well as some of the threats industrial society, if left unchecked, could pose to the long-term sustainability of the Internet, and so to our childrens' future. _Internet in the Balance_ addresses the need for partnerships between the public and private sectors in maintaining the health and well-being of the Internet for ourselves and our children as we move into the twenty-first century. As Vice President, I have important duties as an elected representative of the people of the United States. As a technologist, I have obligations to the survival of the delicate technical systems that make up the Internet. I believe that these two interests are fundamentally harmonious, and I have endeavoured in my time as Vice President to balance these two interests, and especially to demonstrate the important connection between the well-being of the Internet and the well-being of the United States. As an expression of my continuing dedication to the important challenge of shaping the future of Internetworking, I took time during my term as Vice President to produce the definitive standard for a new "Next Generation" Internet Protocol, which will serve the needs of the next generation of Americans as they continue to rely on the Information Superhighway in all areas of their lives. My "Next Generation" Internet Protocol, defined in RFC 2460[27], includes 128-bit addressing, as well as other architectural improvements, and paves the way for an upgrade to a new, multi-lane Information Superhighway. Gore [Page 5] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 Conclusion As we look toward the dawn of the twenty-first century, Americans have much to be proud of in the Internet. We can continue to hope that the Information Superhighway will deliver valuable educational information to future generations of schoolchildren, stimulate commerce, and keep ordinary Americans in contact with their government. I am honored to have been a part of the development of the Information Superhighway. Acknowledgments The author gratefully acknowledges the assistance of his wife, Tipper Gore, as well as that of William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States, in the preparation of this document and the completion of the work described herein. Portions of this work were funded by the DoD's Advanced Research Projects Agency and by the National Science Foundation, although I cannot recall which portions at this time. References [1] Gore, A., televised interview with Wolf Blitzer, Late Edition Primetime, Cable News Network, March 9, 1999. [2] Gore, A., "Internet Protocol", RFC 791, House of Representatives, September 1981. [3] Gore, A., "Transmission Control Protocol", RFC 793, House of Representatives, September 1981. [4] Gore, A., "User Datagram Protocol", RFC 768, House of Representatives, September 1980. [5] Gore, A., "Internet Control Message Protocol", RFC 792, House of Representatives, April 1990. [6] Gore, A., "Simple Mail Transfer Protocol", RFC 821, House of Representatives, August 1982. [7] Gore, A., "Standard for the Format of ARPA Internet Text Messages", RFC 822, House of Representatives, August 1982. [8] Gore, A., "File Transfer Protocol", RFC 959, United States Senate, October 1985. [9] Gore, A., "Domain Administrators Operations Guide", RFC 1033, United States Senate, November 1987. [10] Gore, A., "Domain Names: Concepts and Facilities", RFC 1034, United States Senate, November 1987. [11] Gore, A., "Domain Names: Implementation and Specification", RFC 1035, United States Senate, November 1987. [12] Gore, A., "Mail Routing and the Domain System", RFC 974, United States Senate, January 1986. [13] Gore, A., "Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions: Part One, Mechanisms for Specifying and Describing the Format of Internet Message Bodies", RFC 1521, United States Senate, September 1993. RFC 1521 has been complemented and augmented by a number of subsequent works by many of my friends and colleagues. [14] Gore, A., "An Architecture for IP Address Allocation with CIDR", RFC 1518, United States Senate, September 1993. [15] Gore, A., "A Nonstandard for Transmission of IP Datagrams over Serial Lines: SLIP", United States Senate, June 1988. I chose to call this protocol a "nonstandard" because of the realization that it was, at best, a stop-gap measure, and that the American people ultimately deserved a more complete, functional, and general serial-line encapsulation protocol. This I ultimately produced in PPP[16]. Gore [Page 6] RFC 3000 Internet History - A Retrospective April 1999 [16] Gore, A., "The Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP)", RFC 1661, United States Senate, July 1994. [17] Gore, A., and Jacobsen, V., "Compressing TCP/IP Headers for Low-Speed Serial Links", RFC 1144, United States Senate and Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, February 1990. [18] Gore, A., Berners-Lee, T., Fielding, R., and Frystyk, H., "Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.0", RFC 1945, Office of the Vice President, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and University of California at Irvine, May 1996. The Office of the Vice President has been working closely with the W3C to produce the current W3C HTTP/1.1 recommendation. [19] Gore, A., Berners-Lee, T., and Connolly, D., "Hypertext Markup Language - 2.0", RFC 1866, Office of the Vice President and Massachusetts Institute of Technology, November 1995. The Office of the Vice President has been working closely with the W3C to produce the current W3C HTML 4.0 recommendation. [20] Gore, A., Rechter, Y., and Li, T., "A Border Gateway Protocol 4 (BGP-4)", RFC 1771, Office of the Vice President, IBM Corp., and Cisco Systems, March 1995. [21] The White House, Office of the Press Secretary, Statement, April 16, 1993. [22] Brickell, E. F., Denning, D. E., Kent, S. T., Maher, D. P., and Tuchman, W., "SKIPJACK Review: Interim Report", July 28, 1993. [23] Gore, M. E., "Platform for Internet Content Selection, Version 1.1": "Rating Services and Rating Systems (and their Machine Readable Descriptions)", "PICS Label Distribution Label Syntax and Communication Protocols", "PICSRules 1.1", and "PICS Signed Labels (DSig) 1.0 Specification", W3C Recommendations, October 1996. [24] Resnick, P., "PICS, Censorship, and Intellectual Freedom Frequently Asked Questions", January 26, 1998. [25] United States Supreme Court, _Reno, Attorney General of the United States, et al., v. American Civil Liberties Union, et al._ 521 U.S. ___ (1997), case no. 96-511. Appeal from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania. [26] Gore, A., _Internet in the Balance: Internetworking and the Human Spirit_, Houghton Mifflin 1992. [27] Gore, A., "Internet Protocol, Version 6: Specification", RFC 2460, Office of the Vice President, December 1998. Security Considerations Security considerations are not addressed in this memo. Author's Address Albert Gore The White House Office of the Vice President 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20500 Phone: (202)456-1414 E-mail: vice.president@WHITEHOUSE.GOV Gore [Page 7] -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sun Mar 14 01:02:04 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore's "Internet History - A Retrospective" In-Reply-To: <19990313203939.A3505@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Sat, Mar 13, 1999 at 08:39:39PM -0800 References: <19990313203939.A3505@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990314010204.J20673@zork.net> That is so CrackMonkey that I could cry. Bravo! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 14 11:25:13 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Al Gore's "Internet History - A Retrospective" In-Reply-To: <19990314010204.J20673@zork.net> Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > That is so CrackMonkey that I could cry. Bravo! #include _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Sun Mar 14 17:44:40 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [schoen@uclink4.Berkeley.EDU: April Fool's RFCs] Message-ID: <19990314174440.A8547@requiem.geecs.org> (Actually, I found a couple of years that had more than one April 1 RFC...) ----- Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen ----- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:47:45 -0800 From: Seth David Schoen To: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Subject: April Fool's RFCs I'm wondering about the procedure for submitting an April Fool's Day RFC, in the tradition of many I've seen in the past (e.g. RFC 1149, "A Standard for the Transmission of IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers"). I have read the instructions for RFC authors, and found no mention of procedures for April Fool's RFCs. It does appear that only one RFC is published on April Fool's Day each year, but I'm not sure how that RFC is selected. It's not clear to me whether past RFCs in this category actually originated within IETF WGs or whether some of them might have been produced independently. Will the RFC Editor consider publication of April Fool's RFCs that originate outside of the IETF? -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sun Mar 14 18:58:07 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Finally! Message-ID: <19990314185807.O20673@zork.net> Well, the InterNIC just fixed a problem with tons of domains showing up as unregistered. I now have crackmonkey.org yet again (though I'm going to be quite angry if I don't see an apology letter arrive in my mailbox soon). All is well in the world. http://crackmonkey.org/travel.html is being cool again. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Mon Mar 15 10:16:30 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Finally! In-Reply-To: <19990314185807.O20673@zork.net> Message-ID: Hooray! Now links to penguincomputing.org and .net will go through sucessfully! oh fraboulous day! -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Sun, 14 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > All is well in the world. http://crackmonkey.org/travel.html > is being cool again. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at cc.wwu.edu Mon Mar 15 12:23:11 1999 From: katy at cc.wwu.edu (Katy Calbreath) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Wow (fwd) Message-ID: One more cinderella story... -Katy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 11:04:50 -0800 (PST) From: J Calbreath To: The Daughter Cc: The Shellster Subject: Wow Hola, I was just talking to Jennie and she was telling me that the company that Peter works for was just purchased. What this means to them is that all of Peter's stock now becomes fully vested. The company,GoTo.com, was purchased by Paul Allen and the value to Jennie and Peter is in the range of $2-3 Million !!!!!!! Holy CaCa Batman.. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 15 13:17:02 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ Message-ID: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com> http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ So, they want a name that's not so GNUish? ZINC Software: Zinc is Not Cygnus VINEGAR Solutions: Vinegar Is Now Embarrassed about GNU Approaches to Reality GIST Software: GNU Is Stale Today MAGNUM Enterprise Solutions: Magnum Avoids GNU Mentality PHOBOS Solutions: Phobos Happily Offers a Bucket Over Stallman NARCISSUS Software: Narcissus Assures Real Capitalists It Shuts Stallman Up Safely SWORD Systems: Stallman's Work, Our Revenue Dammit -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 15 13:25:10 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [mmoffitt@regence.com: Tumwater] Message-ID: <19990315132510.R20673@zork.net> Oh my. Tumwater indeed. ----- Forwarded message from Marie Moffitt ----- From: "Marie Moffitt" To: nick@zork.net Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 10:42:05 -0800 Subject: Tumwater Right across from the bagel place in Tumwater where we had breakfast yesterday, there is a shop called "The Redneck Store." It is a serious place that sell workwear - overalls, workboots, etc. The best part is that they offer gift certificates. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 13:49:07 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:15 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? Message-ID: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor is best. I stopped myself just in time. (pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 13:55:54 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 01:49:07PM -0800 References: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315135554.B15924@requiem.geecs.org> Seth David Schoen writes: > (pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) (I note that he didn't just say that he liked pico or _used_ it; he said it was better than vi.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 15 14:02:50 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor > is best. I stopped myself just in time. Good. :) > (pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) I definitely wouldn't agree with *that*. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 14:01:20 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ In-Reply-To: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com>; from Don Marti on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 01:17:02PM -0800 References: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <19990315140120.C15924@requiem.geecs.org> Don Marti writes: > http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ > > So, they want a name that's not so GNUish? > > > ZINC Software: Zinc is Not Cygnus > > VINEGAR Solutions: Vinegar Is Now Embarrassed about GNU Approaches to > Reality > > GIST Software: GNU Is Stale Today > > MAGNUM Enterprise Solutions: Magnum Avoids GNU Mentality > > PHOBOS Solutions: Phobos Happily Offers a Bucket Over Stallman > > NARCISSUS Software: Narcissus Assures Real Capitalists It Shuts > Stallman Up Safely > > SWORD Systems: Stallman's Work, Our Revenue Dammit Hahahahahahaha! Don, would you send this to rec.humor.funny, or give me permission to send it? I just thought of FOODSTUFFS: Freedom's Out-Of-Date, So Try Unixes From FOODSTUFFS Solutions -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 15 14:16:39 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315135554.B15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > (I note that he didn't just say that he liked pico or _used_ it; he said it > was better than vi.) Knowing Javilk, he probably uses echo: echo "test" > file :) Note: I have never done this. LOL _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 15 14:38:39 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Speaking at LinuxWorldExpo in August In-Reply-To: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: I got the official word today that my proposal for "Linux Stereo Components" has been accepted. Yay! I think that's pretty impressive considering they weren't supposed to commit to who would be speaking for another month and I just sent in my proposal at the end of last week. :))))) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 14:51:02 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [rfc-ed@ISI.EDU: Re: April Fool's RFCs] Message-ID: <19990315145102.D15924@requiem.geecs.org> ----- Forwarded message from RFC Editor ----- From: RFC Editor Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:43:17 -0800 (PST) To: schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: April Fool's RFCs Seth, April Fool's RFCs can be submitted directly to this address without going through the IETF. The number of April Fool's RFCs published is based on the number of entries submitted. Please submit yours as soon as possible if you would like it to be considered. -RFC Editor ----- End forwarded message ----- I'd like to request the comments of crackmonkey subscribers on my RFC. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 15 14:59:51 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ In-Reply-To: <19990315140120.C15924@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:01:20PM -0800 References: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com> <19990315140120.C15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315145951.A960@electriclichen.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:01:20PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Don, would you send this to rec.humor.funny, or give me permission to send > it? I'll send it to r.h.f. if you think it's funny. Everyone on this list has permission to redistribute it -- anywhere -- with attribution. -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 14:56:11 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:16:39PM -0800 References: <19990315135554.B15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315145611.E15924@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > (I note that he didn't just say that he liked pico or _used_ it; he said it > > was better than vi.) > > Knowing Javilk, he probably uses echo: > > echo "test" > file > > :) > > Note: I have never done this. LOL Aw, you should : `OUTPUT=test;echo $OUTPUT 0>file >&0` (For many readers, this may be their first experience of a program that _writes_ to STDIN.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From katy at zork.net Mon Mar 15 14:50:00 1999 From: katy at zork.net (Katy) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: > I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor > is best. I stopped myself just in time. My first thought was "Well, Ken Bunting at the PI is pretty cool." Maybe it's just me.. -katy ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 14:59:51 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: ; from Katy on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:50:00PM -0800 References: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315145951.F15924@requiem.geecs.org> Katy writes: > > I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor > > is best. I stopped myself just in time. > My first thought was "Well, Ken Bunting at the PI is pretty cool." Maybe > it's just me.. I'm rather fond of the RFC Editor, myself. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 15 15:16:51 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [rfc-ed@ISI.EDU: Re: April Fool's RFCs] In-Reply-To: <19990315145102.D15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: Go Seth! It was smeggin' brilliant! On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > April Fool's RFCs can be submitted directly to this address > without going through the IETF. The number of April Fool's > RFCs published is based on the number of entries submitted. > > Please submit yours as soon as possible if you would like > it to be considered. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 15:28:28 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [cms@oreilly.com: Powered by O'Reilly Graphics] Message-ID: <19990315152828.H15924@requiem.geecs.org> I just have to say that the fine art of user group relations is gradually getting cheesier and cheesier... ----- Forwarded message from Christina Silveira ----- Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 15:19:12 -0800 (PST) From: Christina Silveira To: sigma@ishmael.nmh.northfield.ma.us Subject: Powered by O'Reilly Graphics Dear User Group Representative, If you've been waiting for those great looking O'Reilly graphics to use as a link to our site, than you're in luck. Visit http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/poweredby/ to grab those graphics. Enjoy, and Thank you for your support of O'Reilly books! Christina Silveira ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Mon Mar 15 15:29:34 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [cms@oreilly.com: Powered by O'Reilly Graphics] In-Reply-To: <19990315152828.H15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: Did you see the red hat one. It was a riot. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I just have to say that the fine art of user group relations is gradually > getting cheesier and cheesier... > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 15:39:52 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Speaking at LinuxWorldExpo in August In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:38:39PM -0800 References: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315153952.I15924@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > I got the official word today that my proposal for "Linux Stereo > Components" has been accepted. Yay! Hey, congratulations! I guess I'll be seeing you there... > I think that's pretty impressive considering they weren't supposed to > commit to who would be speaking for another month and I just sent in my > proposal at the end of last week. :))))) "It's a fast moving world, sweetie." -- the late great anarchocapitalist Murray Rothbard to Wendy McElroy, on why he had supported so many different political movements in his lifetime (I sent in my proposal _over the weekend_ and it was accepted this morning...) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 15:40:05 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ In-Reply-To: <19990315145951.A960@electriclichen.com>; from Don Marti on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:59:51PM -0800 References: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com> <19990315140120.C15924@requiem.geecs.org> <19990315145951.A960@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <19990315154005.J15924@requiem.geecs.org> Don Marti writes: > On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:01:20PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > Don, would you send this to rec.humor.funny, or give me permission to send > > it? > > I'll send it to r.h.f. if you think it's funny. I do, and I hope you will. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 15:42:38 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [cms@oreilly.com: Powered by O'Reilly Graphics] In-Reply-To: ; from Chris J. DiBona on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 03:29:34PM -0800 References: <19990315152828.H15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315154238.K15924@requiem.geecs.org> Chris J. DiBona writes: > Did you see the red hat one. It was a riot. Constantly... :-) I remember the "Red Hat Secret Agent" thing. The fundamental problem is that the user groups are _already_ organizing way cooler publicity stunts than the vendors do. So, I would rather far rather be a secret agent of SVLUG or the CABAL than of Red Hat. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Mon Mar 15 16:02:02 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [cms@oreilly.com: Powered by O'Reilly Graphics] In-Reply-To: <19990315154238.K15924@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 03:42:38PM -0800 References: <19990315152828.H15924@requiem.geecs.org> <19990315154238.K15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315160202.A1687@electriclichen.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 03:42:38PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I remember the "Red Hat Secret Agent" thing. The fundamental > problem is that the user groups are _already_ organizing way cooler > publicity stunts than the vendors do. Duh. DRLFs don't have to clear anything with some pinhead manager. Oh, the acronym is "drunken raving Linux freak." -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From amalmin at halcyon.com Mon Mar 15 17:11:09 1999 From: amalmin at halcyon.com (Audin Malmin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? References: <19990315135554.B15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <99031517124404.02791@skaro.skaro.org> On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: >Seth David Schoen writes: > >> (pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) > >(I note that he didn't just say that he liked pico or _used_ it; he said it >was better than vi.) Blasphemy... Everyone knows that Emacs is the One True Way... -- Audin Malmin - amalmin@halcyon.com - ICQ: 6891067 http://www.halcyon.com/amalmin - http://[coho/chinook].halcyon.com:5023/ PGP fingerprint: F01C 9999 6BD3 71F1 FC6E 5F80 5EA1 D893 CCC9 F6A7 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 15 20:43:46 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <99031517124404.02791@skaro.skaro.org>; from Audin Malmin on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 05:11:09PM -0800 References: <19990315135554.B15924@requiem.geecs.org> <99031517124404.02791@skaro.skaro.org> Message-ID: <19990315204346.I20673@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 05:11:09PM -0800, Audin Malmin wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > >Seth David Schoen writes: > > > >> (pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) > > > >(I note that he didn't just say that he liked pico or _used_ it; he > >said it was better than vi.) > > Blasphemy... Everyone knows that Emacs is the One True Way... don't start that shit again (Goltar references out of the way, this list is far too high-minded to get into this) Besides, pico is better than Javilk. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 15 20:45:18 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [rfc-ed@ISI.EDU: Re: April Fool's RFCs] In-Reply-To: <19990315145102.D15924@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:51:02PM -0800 References: <19990315145102.D15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990315204518.J20673@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:51:02PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I'd like to request the comments of crackmonkey subscribers on my RFC. IT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN CATS. I WOULD GO READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 15 21:10:16 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh Message-ID: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net> Sending mail to pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org will now allow you to send short emails (about two or three lines) to my pager. Let the Kafka begin! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 15 22:19:51 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] George goes apeshit! In-Reply-To: <199903160616.WAA02623@zork.net>; from mail on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 10:16:58PM -0800 References: <199903160616.WAA02623@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990315221951.F2373@zork.net> This is the official First Message that I got on my pager. It's from George. > Really I Comprehend Even Radically Cracklike Automated Roshambo. What a CrackMonkey. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Mon Mar 15 23:04:42 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19990315230213.03b45600@soundwave.usfca.edu> At 01:49 PM 3/15/99 -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: >I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor >is best. I stopped myself just in time. > >(pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) > You know I hear that they're going to implement a new command in the next release of PICO that will allow you to use CTRL-R to peform regular expression subsitutions on your entire document! +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Mon Mar 15 23:06:21 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990315230213.03b45600@soundwave.usfca.edu>; from Derek Vadala on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 11:04:42PM -0800 References: <19990315134907.T10146@requiem.geecs.org> <4.1.19990315230213.03b45600@soundwave.usfca.edu> Message-ID: <19990315230621.B17849@requiem.geecs.org> Derek Vadala writes: > At 01:49 PM 3/15/99 -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > >I almost replied to Javilk on the SVLUG list in an argument about what editor > >is best. I stopped myself just in time. > > > >(pico, says Javilk, is better than vi.) > > > > You know I hear that they're going to implement a new command in the next > release of PICO that will allow you to use CTRL-R to peform regular > expression subsitutions on your entire document! Wow, regular expressions in pico, that's grep news! -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 16 00:00:38 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Seth goes apeshit!! Message-ID: <19990316000038.O2373@zork.net> This was Seth's follow-up page to George's first. Aieee! ----- Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen ----- Subject: RICERCAR Is Coming Electronically: Radiation Communicates Acronyms Recursively Frater Intelligens RICERCAR Simul Tuus Constituit Obiter Mittere Missum Electronico Nuntio Tuo ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Tue Mar 16 02:38:44 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Seth goes apeshit!! In-Reply-To: <19990316000038.O2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 12:00:38AM -0800 References: <19990316000038.O2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990316023844.A20119@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > This was Seth's follow-up page to George's first. Aieee! > > ----- Forwarded message from Seth David Schoen ----- > > Subject: RICERCAR Is Coming Electronically: Radiation Communicates Acronyms Recursively > > Frater Intelligens RICERCAR Simul Tuus > Constituit Obiter Mittere Missum Electronico Nuntio Tuo > > ----- End forwarded message ----- That is to say, "Your brother, understanding RICERCAR, at the same time decides incidentally to send a message to your electronic messenger." -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 10:05:57 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [rfc-ed@ISI.EDU: Re: April Fool's RFCs] In-Reply-To: <19990315204518.J20673@zork.net> Message-ID: Nick, you ignorant slut. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 02:51:02PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > I'd like to request the comments of crackmonkey subscribers on my RFC. > > IT WAS MUCH BETTER THAN CATS. I WOULD GO READ IT AGAIN AND > AGAIN!!!!! > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Tue Mar 16 10:33:49 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh In-Reply-To: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net>; from Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers on Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 09:10:16PM -0800 References: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990316103349.B10321@electriclichen.com> On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 09:10:16PM -0800, Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers wrote: > Sending mail to pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org will now allow you > to send short emails (about two or three lines) to my pager. Let the > Kafka begin! 0 0 * * * pom | mail pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deeny at mercury.he.net Tue Mar 16 11:18:43 1999 From: deeny at mercury.he.net (deeny) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: <19990315204346.I20673@zork.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > (Goltar references out of the way, this list is far too > high-minded to get into this) > > Besides, pico is better than Javilk. LOL, agreed! _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 11:20:38 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What's wrong with me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes but Raffi is better than Pico. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, deeny wrote: > On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > (Goltar references out of the way, this list is far too > > high-minded to get into this) > > > > Besides, pico is better than Javilk. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Mar 15 23:43:04 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] http://www.cygnus.com/contest/ In-Reply-To: <19990315145951.A960@electriclichen.com> References: <19990315131702.A32340@electriclichen.com> <19990315140120.C15924@requiem.geecs.org> <19990315145951.A960@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <14062.2918.984231.977470@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Don Marti writes: > I'll send it to r.h.f. if you think it's funny. Everyone on this list > has permission to redistribute it -- anywhere -- with attribution. Does this include vice.president@whitehouse.gov? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 16 12:57:04 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh In-Reply-To: <19990316103349.B10321@electriclichen.com>; from Don Marti on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:33:49AM -0800 References: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net> <19990316103349.B10321@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <19990316125703.Q2373@zork.net> On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:33:49AM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > 0 0 * * * pom | mail pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org Actually, I used to do that. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Tue Mar 16 16:00:11 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) Message-ID: I thought that you guys would find this a tad amusing. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:54:29 -0500 From: some guy Reply-To: some list To: some list Subject: nylug does anyone want to go to the NYLUG thing tomorrow? im actualy planning on going if i wake up in time .. its at 6:30pm 590madison at 57th street in the IBM building .. those bastards from VA reasearch will be there talking about thier quad xeons or whatever. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 14:58:27 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As the designated bastard, I'd like to say: phtphptptptttt I'm gonna be talking about linux.com, although I should open with my interpretive poem "The old quad behind my desk, gathering dust cause of my new quad" Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Derek Vadala wrote: > > I thought that you guys would find this a tad amusing. > > +++ath > Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 17:54:29 -0500 > From: some guy > Reply-To: some list > To: some list > Subject: nylug > > does anyone want to go to the NYLUG thing tomorrow? im actualy planning on > going if i wake up in time .. its at 6:30pm 590madison at 57th street in > the IBM building .. > those bastards from VA reasearch will be there talking about thier quad > xeons or whatever. > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Tue Mar 16 16:15:36 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > As the designated bastard, I'd like to say: phtphptptptttt I'm gonna be > talking about linux.com, although I should open with my interpretive poem > > "The old quad behind my desk, gathering dust cause of my new quad" > > Chris > Ahh. I don't think that there is need to be offended, I know the author quite well, I just thought it was a good New York attitude message. Heh. I should send along his picture so you can harass him during the talk. "Well I had brought by bastard hat then I could tell you folks about my Quad Xeon..." +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 15:09:43 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Actually, I'm not. And that is a good idea :-) If I'm offended I usually acquire the persons domain and point it at something funny. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Derek Vadala wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > As the designated bastard, I'd like to say: phtphptptptttt I'm gonna be > > talking about linux.com, although I should open with my interpretive poem > > > > "The old quad behind my desk, gathering dust cause of my new quad" > > > > Chris > > > > Ahh. I don't think that there is need to be offended, I know the author > quite well, I just thought it was a good New York attitude message. Heh. I > should send along his picture so you can harass him during the talk. "Well > I had brought by bastard hat then I could tell you folks about my Quad > Xeon..." > > > +++ath > Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 16 15:18:17 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > As the designated bastard, Ooooh, that's a job title.... > I'd like to say: phtphptptptttt I'm gonna be > talking about linux.com, although I should open with my interpretive poem > > "The old quad behind my desk, gathering dust cause of my new quad" Being a hardware geek can make equipment feel SO lonely. _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 15:11:33 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I could definately slip that by onto my business card, but it might make recruiting tricky. Money G DiBona -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Deirdre wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > As the designated bastard, > > Ooooh, that's a job title.... > > > I'd like to say: phtphptptptttt I'm gonna be > > talking about linux.com, although I should open with my interpretive poem > > > > "The old quad behind my desk, gathering dust cause of my new quad" > > Being a hardware geek can make equipment feel SO lonely. > > _Deirdre > > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 16 15:22:49 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > I could definately slip that by onto my business card, but it might make > recruiting tricky. Depends on what you're recruiting for. :) _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 15:15:47 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But I don't want to work with Sam! One book was torture enough. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Deirdre wrote: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > I could definately slip that by onto my business card, but it might make > > recruiting tricky. > > Depends on what you're recruiting for. :) > > _Deirdre > > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 16 15:26:25 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > But I don't want to work with Sam! One book was torture enough. I'm obviously missing the context for this. :) _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Tue Mar 16 15:22:06 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Jim Anchower Alert. Message-ID: http://www.theonion.com/onion3510/springtime_cruise.html -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 16 16:11:29 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Jim Anchower Alert. In-Reply-To: ; from Chris J. DiBona on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 03:22:06PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990316161129.X2373@zork.net> On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 03:22:06PM -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > http://www.theonion.com/onion3510/springtime_cruise.html I'm still waiting for the one where he's funny. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Tue Mar 16 16:32:44 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Patty goes apeshit!! Message-ID: <19990316163244.Y2373@zork.net> More wack-ass pages! ----- Forwarded message from "Rev. Patty Morin" ----- MON CHER CARLOS STOP MUST FLEE COUNTRY STOP HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED PIECES OF CAKE FOR YOU TO FOLD URGENT STOP WHEN FINISHED CONTACT M. BRILLO IN WEST CRACKTON FULL STOP ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Tue Mar 16 17:18:43 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Try soaking them in LSD a few days, then set them on fire Message-ID: I thought Eve might like this one. ~ESP ------- Start of forwarded message ------- From: "Joyce Slaton" To: Subject: Peeps decor Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 16:25:12 -0800 Message-Id: Reply-To: "Joyce Slaton" ok, you art fags, can anyone tell me how to go about bug-proofing Peeps? I want to glue rows of them on my walls but don't want to inadvertantly turn my bedroom into an art farm. anyone have any experience decorating with food? are ants repelled by shellack? ------- End of forwarded message ------- ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Tue Mar 16 17:26:41 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] nylug (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre on Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 05:26:25PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <19990316172641.C25898@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre writes: > On Tue, 16 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > But I don't want to work with Sam! One book was torture enough. > > I'm obviously missing the context for this. :) Chris worked with Sam on _Open Sources_. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Tue Mar 16 17:33:05 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Try soaking them in LSD a few days, then set them on fire In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recommend nuking peeps in a microwave. _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Wed Mar 17 00:57:24 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] From /etc/motd on soda.csua.berkeley.edu Message-ID: <19990317005724.L25898@requiem.geecs.org> [Note that wallall is soda's version of wall, which is used for random ongoing conversations in real-time. See http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~lwall/ for more about wallall. No, he wasn't really a CSUA member; it's part of an elaborate joke. -- schoen] ACHTUNG!!!! Das Soda ist nicht fuer warezhosen oder mailspammen. Ist easy pissenoffen die rooten und overloaden das wallall mit die fuck-youen und die yer-momen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das majorfuckentwinken. Das diskhoggen pornseeren keepen das bandwit-hosen hands in das pockets muss. Relaxen und watchen das wallflamen. UNAUTHENTICATED, UNCENSORED, SSSSSMOKIN' PUBLIC MESSAGES BELOW THIS LINE [See also: /csua/pub/jobs/* & /csua/pub/housing/* & /csua/pub/recruiting /csua/adm/doc/ssh-howto] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 3/17 Or, as babelfish translates the motd.official: The soda is not for warezhosen or mailspammen. Is easy pissenoffen the rooten and overloaden barrier all with those fuck youen and those yer momen. Is not for trades with the majorfuckentwinken. Diskhoggen pornseeren keepen that bandwit trousers hands in pockets must. Relaxen and watchen that barrier Flemings. --dbushong -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Wed Mar 17 03:38:05 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh In-Reply-To: <19990316125703.Q2373@zork.net> References: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net> <19990316103349.B10321@electriclichen.com> <19990316125703.Q2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <14063.36790.67993.290974@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Nick Moffitt writes: > On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:33:49AM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > > 0 0 * * * pom | mail pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org > > Actually, I used to do that. lrz:/root # man pom No manual entry for pom ? Illuminate me, oh freeBSDing primates. Inasmuch is above better than, say, * * * * * dd count=1 if=/dev/dsp | mimencode | pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org or crontabbing dadadodo? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 17 04:45:37 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh In-Reply-To: <14063.36790.67993.290974@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>; from Eugene Leitl on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 12:38:05PM +0100 References: <19990315211016.L20673@zork.net> <19990316103349.B10321@electriclichen.com> <19990316125703.Q2373@zork.net> <14063.36790.67993.290974@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <19990317044536.I2373@zork.net> On Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 12:38:05PM +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: > lrz:/root # man pom > No manual entry for pom > > Illuminate me, oh freeBSDing primates. Erm, it should come with RedHat. I know it came with SlackWare. (:r!pom) The Moon is New -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Wed Mar 17 10:16:01 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:16 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Seth's RFC In-Reply-To: <19990317005724.L25898@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: Can someone send it to me? I want to put it up in my cube at work and the route to home is still down. :( _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Wed Mar 17 11:39:33 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Seth's RFC In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 12:16:01PM -0600 References: <19990317005724.L25898@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990317113933.B11773@hugin.imat.com> Quoting Deirdre (deirdre@deirdre.net): > Can someone send it to me? I want to put it up in my cube at work and the > route to home is still down. :( ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/gore-rfc-3000 -- Cheers, The cynics among us might say: "We laugh, Rick Moen monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now! rick (at) linuxmafia.com MuaHaHaHa!" but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Wed Mar 17 12:10:23 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Seth's RFC In-Reply-To: <19990317113933.B11773@hugin.imat.com>; from Rick Moen on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 11:39:33AM -0800 References: <19990317005724.L25898@requiem.geecs.org> <19990317113933.B11773@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <19990317121023.A32646@requiem.geecs.org> Rick Moen writes: > Quoting Deirdre (deirdre@deirdre.net): > > > Can someone send it to me? I want to put it up in my cube at work and the > > route to home is still down. :( > > ftp://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/gore-rfc-3000 I'm going to try to publish it as an actual RFC one of these days. A version which includes the obligatory "Security Considerations" section is at http://zork.net/~schoen/rfc3000.txt (Of course, it would have a real RFC number when it was actually published as an RFC; the proper prepublication version is "RFC nnnn", which is then "filled in at the last minute by the RFC Editor".) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From amalmin at halcyon.com Wed Mar 17 11:44:48 1999 From: amalmin at halcyon.com (Audin Malmin) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pagebofh References: <14063.36790.67993.290974@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <99031711470500.11104@skaro.skaro.org> On Wed, 17 Mar 1999, you wrote: >Nick Moffitt writes: > > On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:33:49AM -0800, Don Marti wrote: > > > 0 0 * * * pom | mail pagemonkey@crackmonkey.org > > > > Actually, I used to do that. > >lrz:/root # man pom >No manual entry for pom > [amalmin@skaro amalmin]$ man pom POM(6) UNIX Reference Manual POM(6) NAME pom - display the phase of the moon SYNOPSIS pom DESCRIPTION The pom utility displays the current phase of the moon. Useful for se- lecting software completion target dates and predicting managerial behav- ior. BSD Experimental May 31, 1993 1 -- Audin Malmin - amalmin@halcyon.com - ICQ: 6891067 http://www.halcyon.com/amalmin - http://[coho/chinook].halcyon.com:5023/ PGP fingerprint: F01C 9999 6BD3 71F1 FC6E 5F80 5EA1 D893 CCC9 F6A7 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 17 15:45:25 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] Message-ID: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net> GAR GAR GAR!!! ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:07:23 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- g@wired.com has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Wed Mar 17 15:45:53 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com] Message-ID: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net> Guth, is this beef log-toting scoundrel yours? ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:48:03 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- bryanf@samurai.com has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From g at wired.com Wed Mar 17 16:49:15 1999 From: g at wired.com (P a u l Guth) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com] References: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <36F04D8B.23FAB08C@wired.com> Nick Moffitt wrote: > > Guth, is this beef log-toting scoundrel yours? > No. PS: Really. PPS: He appears to be an evil Canadian. --- udp.hotwired.com# whois dom samurai.com Registrant: Samurai Consulting (SAMURAI-DOM) 189 Danforth Ave, #1 Toronto, ON M4K 1N2 --- > ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:48:03 -0800 > To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net > From: Majordomo@zork.net > Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com > Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net > > -- > > bryanf@samurai.com has been added to crackmonkey. > No action is required on your part. ______________________________________________________________________ P a u l g@wired.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From bryanf at samurai.com Wed Mar 17 20:23:07 1999 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com] In-Reply-To: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 03:45:53PM -0800 References: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990317232307.B21317@samurai.com> I'm unaffiliated. Mostly. If I'd known I was going to be bandied about I would've used bryanf@feh.net. Bryan On Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 03:45:53PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Guth, is this beef log-toting scoundrel yours? > > ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:48:03 -0800 > To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net > From: Majordomo@zork.net > Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com > Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net > > -- > > bryanf@samurai.com has been added to crackmonkey. > No action is required on your part. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bryan Fullerton http://www.samurai.com/ Owner, Lead Consultant http://www.feh.net/ Samurai Consulting http://www.icomm.ca/ "No, we don't do seppuku." Can you feel the Ohmu call? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From zen at zork.net Wed Mar 17 23:25:26 1999 From: zen at zork.net (George Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] In-Reply-To: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 03:45:25PM -0800 References: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990317232526.A17396@zork.net> Why don't you just have these go directly to crackmonkey and save yourself the trouble of forwarding them? On Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 03:45:25PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > GAR GAR GAR!!! > > ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- > > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 12:07:23 -0800 > To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net > From: Majordomo@zork.net > Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com > Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net > > -- > > g@wired.com has been added to crackmonkey. > No action is required on your part. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and > unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good > engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to > itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. -- ------ They sought it with thimbles, they sought it with care; They pursued it with forks and hope; They threatened its life with a railway-share; They charmed it with smiles and soap. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 01:25:16 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] In-Reply-To: <19990317232526.A17396@zork.net>; from George Moffitt on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 11:25:26PM -0800 References: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net> <19990317232526.A17396@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318012515.O2373@zork.net> On Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 11:25:26PM -0800, George Moffitt wrote: > Why don't you just have these go directly to crackmonkey and > save yourself the trouble of forwarding them? I only forward the ones from people I know. Take P a u l Guth, for instance. Why, we're holding GuthCon '99 at the CoffeeNet this September as a benefit for Debian! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 01:53:55 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] George. Message-ID: <19990318015355.R2373@zork.net> zen> I wrote RICERCAR on my eraser, and now it has magical powers. nick> I wrote ELBERETH on my toilet and now I can't flush. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 03:55:02 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com] In-Reply-To: <19990317232307.B21317@samurai.com>; from Bryan Fullerton on Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 11:23:07PM -0500 References: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net> <19990317232307.B21317@samurai.com> Message-ID: <19990318035502.T2373@zork.net> On Wed, Mar 17, 1999 at 11:23:07PM -0500, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > I'm unaffiliated. Mostly. > > If I'd known I was going to be bandied about I would've used > bryanf@feh.net. A noble pursuit. We're all unaffiliated here, and we all choose to subscribe from our most clever domain name. GAR, as it were. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 04:50:54 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] TNIPNAPP!!!!!!!**!*!*!$!!#$! Message-ID: <19990318045053.V2373@zork.net> _____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _| |__ _ _ _ __ ___ __| | __ _ _ _ | \ | (_) __ _| |__ | |_ | | | '_ \| | | | '__/ __|/ _` |/ _` | | | | | \| | |/ _` | '_ \| __| | | | | | | |_| | | \__ \ (_| | (_| | |_| | | |\ | | (_| | | | | |_ |_| |_| |_|\__,_|_| |___/\__,_|\__,_|\__, | |_| \_|_|\__, |_| |_|\__| |___/ |___/ ___ ____ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ |_ _|___ | _ \(_) __ _ __| | ___ __ _ | \ | (_) __ _| |__ | |_ | |/ __| | |_) | |/ _` |/ _` |/ _ \ / _` | | \| | |/ _` | '_ \| __| | |\__ \ | __/| | (_| | (_| | (_) | (_| | | |\ | | (_| | | | | |_ |___|___/ |_| |_|\__, |\__,_|\___/ \__, | |_| \_|_|\__, |_| |_|\__| |___/ |___/ |___/ _ _ ____ _ ____ _ _ _ / \ | |_ | _ \| | __ _ ___ ___ | _ \(_) __ _ __ _| | | ___ / _ \| __| | |_) | |/ _` |/ __/ _ \ | |_) | |/ _` |/ _` | | |/ _ \ / ___ \ |_ | __/| | (_| | (_| __/ | __/| | (_| | (_| | | | __/ /_/ \_\__| |_| |_|\__,_|\___\___| |_| |_|\__, |\__,_|_|_|\___| |___/ Yes that's right! You too can be the proud owner of the quality goes in before the name goes on! Your alien neighbors will spray their foetid salivary juices all over your pets out of pure envy! Your autoclave will play Rhondo Alla Turca and your fillings will speak Dutch! Mr. Bad will be there! Maj will be there! Snatcher will be there! Rick Moen will be there; will you?! So head on down to PLACE PIGALLE, and pork out on lotsaguinness! Bring a pig or a dog and get in free! Bring a pig AND a dog and receive a 2-year lease on a VW bug! THIS OFFER IS TOO MUCH TO PASS UP! THIS IS NOT A HOAX! YOU CAN DRINK LOTS OF GUINNESS IN YOUR SPARE TIME! I DID IT AND I AM AN ORDINARY GUY!!!!! Laurie Horfberger of South Bend, Indiana was invited to Pidog Night but forgot to check her email for directions. The very next day her 19 pomeranians developed urinary tract infections--SIMULTANEOUSLY. She then went to Pigdog Night and her dogs won best of show--a $2000 prize! Gordon Zubnof of Bothell, Washington decided to go to Pigdog Night but left before everyone showed up. The very next day he discovered that a family of spiders had laid their eggs in the small of his back, and were eating his flesh from the inside. Alfred Skomato of AirBrush, Flordia went to Pigdog night and drank 12 pints of guinness. He slipped on the way to his car (bought at a public auction) and poked his keys through the upholstery. The tear revealed that the seats had been stuffed with cocaine--a $2 million dollar value! So don't delay! The opportunity to drink guinness at Pigdog night is all yours! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 10:35:06 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] George. In-Reply-To: <19990318015355.R2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > zen> I wrote RICERCAR on my eraser, and now it has magical powers. > nick> I wrote ELBERETH on my toilet and now I can't flush. deirdre> I wrote MIKEMAHER on my fridge and now I'm anorectic. _Deirdre ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Thu Mar 18 10:53:24 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] In-Reply-To: Nick Moffitt's message of "Thu, 18 Mar 1999 01:25:16 -0800" References: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net> <19990317232526.A17396@zork.net> <19990318012515.O2373@zork.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: Nick> I only forward the ones from people I know. Take P a Nick> u l Guth, for instance. Why, we're holding GuthCon '99 at Nick> the CoffeeNet this September as a benefit for Debian! I'm pretty excited about this. I want to do a keynote speech on the topic "Guth Comes Of Age For the Enterprise." ~ESP ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 12:15:09 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) Message-ID: Very crackmonkey. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:41:13 -0800 From: Peter Merchant Saw this one on daily static... http://www.merde.org/misc/PORK.jpg ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU Thu Mar 18 14:10:51 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.Berkeley.EDU (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey bryanf@samurai.com] In-Reply-To: <19990318035502.T2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 03:55:02AM -0800 References: <19990317154553.N2373@zork.net> <19990317232307.B21317@samurai.com> <19990318035502.T2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318141051.A7070@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > we all choose to subscribe from our most clever domain name. Hey, speak for yourself. (My friend whose last name is Loya Talamantes got "loyat@oath.org", which is COOLER THAN EVERYONE ELSE.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 14:19:37 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Speaking at LinuxWorldExpo in August In-Reply-To: <19990315153952.I15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 15 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > I think that's pretty impressive considering they weren't supposed to > > commit to who would be speaking for another month and I just sent in my > > proposal at the end of last week. :))))) > > "It's a fast moving world, sweetie." > -- the late great anarchocapitalist Murray Rothbard to Wendy McElroy, > on why he had supported so many different political movements in > his lifetime > > (I sent in my proposal _over the weekend_ and it was accepted this morning...) Face it, they like us. RM should send in a proposal on "LUser Administration" for the sysadmin track. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at loyalty.org Thu Mar 18 14:43:39 1999 From: schoen at loyalty.org (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Speaking at LinuxWorldExpo in August In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:19:37PM -0800 References: <19990315153952.I15924@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990318144339.B7070@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > > "It's a fast moving world, sweetie." > > -- the late great anarchocapitalist Murray Rothbard to Wendy McElroy, > > on why he had supported so many different political movements in > > his lifetime > > > > (I sent in my proposal _over the weekend_ and it was accepted this > > morning...) > > Face it, they like us. Yes, it's a nice feeling. > RM should send in a proposal on "LUser Administration" for the sysadmin > track. :) Indeed. But shouldn't he be called RAM? (Three-letter acronyms, and all, you know.) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 15:11:47 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Speaking at LinuxWorldExpo in August In-Reply-To: <19990318144339.B7070@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > Face it, they like us. > Yes, it's a nice feeling. All warm and fuzzy even. :) > > RM should send in a proposal on "LUser Administration" for the sysadmin > > track. :) > > Indeed. But shouldn't he be called RAM? (Three-letter acronyms, and all, > you know.) Or RPM (referring to the LinuxCare party "creator" of rpm). _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 15:29:22 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey maeling@earthling.net] Message-ID: <19990318152922.A2373@zork.net> She's back... but for how long? ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 13:08:11 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey maeling@earthling.net Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- maeling@earthling.net has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 15:53:09 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey maeling@earthling.net] In-Reply-To: <19990318152922.A2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > She's back... but for how long? Until she's tired of it. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 16:15:40 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] In-Reply-To: ; from evangelo@pigdog.org on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 10:53:24AM -0800 References: <19990317154525.M2373@zork.net> <19990317232526.A17396@zork.net> <19990318012515.O2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318161539.F2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 10:53:24AM -0800, evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > >>>>> "Nick" == Nick Moffitt writes: > > Nick> I only forward the ones from people I know. Take P a > Nick> u l Guth, for instance. Why, we're holding GuthCon '99 at > Nick> the CoffeeNet this September as a benefit for Debian! > > I'm pretty excited about this. I want to do a keynote speech on the > topic "Guth Comes Of Age For the Enterprise." "This is Guth's coming-out party." -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 16:17:27 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:15:09PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:15:09PM -0600, Deirdre wrote: > http://www.merde.org/misc/PORK.jpg Argh! It's down! I saw this one a while ago, I think. I haven't seen this particular billboard, but was it the "Pork the one you love" sign? I've been trying to get that image for AGES, but it's always down! CURSE YOU, MAGIC BEANS! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 16:33:49 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: Yes, it IS the infamous "Pork the one you love" sign. :) On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:15:09PM -0600, Deirdre wrote: > > http://www.merde.org/misc/PORK.jpg > > Argh! It's down! I saw this one a while ago, I think. I > haven't seen this particular billboard, but was it the "Pork the one > you love" sign? I've been trying to get that image for AGES, but it's > always down! CURSE YOU, MAGIC BEANS! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 16:36:26 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey g@wired.com] In-Reply-To: <19990318161539.F2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > I'm pretty excited about this. I want to do a keynote speech on the > > topic "Guth Comes Of Age For the Enterprise." > > "This is Guth's coming-out party." What, is he gay? _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Thu Mar 18 16:39:03 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:15:09PM -0600, Deirdre wrote: > > http://www.merde.org/misc/PORK.jpg > > Argh! It's down! I saw this one a while ago, I think. I > haven't seen this particular billboard, but was it the "Pork the one > you love" sign? I've been trying to get that image for AGES, but it's > always down! CURSE YOU, MAGIC BEANS! > I saw two of them pork trucks in China Basin last weekend. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 16:31:01 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Derek Vadala on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:39:03PM -0800 References: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318163100.H2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > > I saw two of them pork trucks in China Basin last weekend. > "I'll bet you anything there's pork in that truck." -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Thu Mar 18 16:41:52 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything Message-ID: I felt that you all should know that I'm having a blazing good time reading things off this list in juxtaposition to the current debate (read argument) on SVLUG between people from this list and that its alleviating the pain I'm going through fucking with NT machines at work all day. Sigh. The security team at Exodus is providing good comedy relief though. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 16:46:04 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318163100.H2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:39:03PM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > > > > I saw two of them pork trucks in China Basin last weekend. > > "I'll bet you anything there's pork in that truck." I'm reminded of St. Mark's in Venice. As I remember telling it in the last weekend, I think I'll defer at the moment. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From bryanf at samurai.com Thu Mar 18 16:49:26 1999 From: bryanf at samurai.com (Bryan Fullerton) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:33:49PM -0800 References: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318194926.Z1051@samurai.com> http://bonehead.sedonageo.com/~vool/pic-of-the-day/pork.jpg I have no idea who owns this site, I just want to see how quickly it'll go down. Bryan On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:33:49PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > Yes, it IS the infamous "Pork the one you love" sign. :) > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 02:15:09PM -0600, Deirdre wrote: > > > http://www.merde.org/misc/PORK.jpg > > > > Argh! It's down! I saw this one a while ago, I think. I > > haven't seen this particular billboard, but was it the "Pork the one > > you love" sign? I've been trying to get that image for AGES, but it's > > always down! CURSE YOU, MAGIC BEANS! -- Bryan Fullerton http://www.samurai.com/ Owner, Lead Consultant http://www.feh.net/ Samurai Consulting http://www.icomm.ca/ "No, we don't do seppuku." Can you feel the Ohmu call? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 16:37:31 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: ; from Derek Vadala on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:41:52PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:41:52PM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > I felt that you all should know that I'm having a blazing good time > reading things off this list in juxtaposition to the current debate > (read argument) on SVLUG between people from this list and that its > alleviating the pain I'm going through fucking with NT machines at > work all day. Sigh. The security team at Exodus is providing good > comedy relief though. SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. Derek now has a new monkeyname (see headers). -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 16:39:04 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318194926.Z1051@samurai.com>; from Bryan Fullerton on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 07:49:26PM -0500 References: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> <19990318194926.Z1051@samurai.com> Message-ID: <19990318163904.J2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 07:49:26PM -0500, Bryan Fullerton wrote: > http://bonehead.sedonageo.com/~vool/pic-of-the-day/pork.jpg > > I have no idea who owns this site, I just want to see how quickly > it'll go down. Wow. That's a new one. The one I saw previously had a couple walking off into the sunset. It was far more subtle. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Thu Mar 18 17:03:37 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:37:31PM -0800 References: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318170337.D7709@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:41:52PM -0800, Derek Vadala wrote: > > I felt that you all should know that I'm having a blazing good time > > reading things off this list in juxtaposition to the current debate > > (read argument) on SVLUG between people from this list and that its > > alleviating the pain I'm going through fucking with NT machines at > > work all day. Sigh. The security team at Exodus is providing good > > comedy relief though. > > SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. But we need to know whether Winmodems are supported by Linux, Nick! -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 17:09:47 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. > > Derek now has a new monkeyname (see headers). Congratulations! CrackMonkey name Who Mail Address ---------------- --- ------------ JediMonkey Eric S. Raymond BheerMonkey Don Marti ScratchMonkey Rick Moen (I call him NorseMonkey) SpudMonkey Deirdre Saoirse (we won't say what he calls me ) HonestMonkey Larry Augustin HashMonkey Ayako HappyMonkey Scott McNeil SpiceMonkey Evreka Embo BadMonkey Evan Prodromou ShockMonkey as yet undetermined FrenchMonkey Marc MERLIN MissingLinkMonkey as yet undetermined PopeMonkey Chris DiBona GothMonkey Mae Ling Mak KrautMonkey Bodo Bauer SafetyMonkey Ian Kluft PoMonkey ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Thu Mar 18 17:58:23 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318194926.Z1051@samurai.com>; from Bryan Fullerton on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 07:49:26PM -0500 References: <19990318161727.G2373@zork.net> <19990318194926.Z1051@samurai.com> Message-ID: <19990318175823.H14986@hugin.imat.com> Quoting Bryan Fullerton (bryanf@samurai.com): > http://bonehead.sedonageo.com/~vool/pic-of-the-day/pork.jpg > > I have no idea who owns this site, I just want to see how quickly it'll go > down. Was that an invitation for cheap and tasteless puns on the notion of "going down"? If so, how many would you like? -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 18:11:53 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Good billboard (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990318175823.H14986@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Rick Moen wrote: > Was that an invitation for cheap and tasteless puns on the notion > of "going down"? > > If so, how many would you like? Let's hear all of yours then I'll finish the job ;) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick0199 at hugin.imat.com Thu Mar 18 19:12:14 1999 From: rick0199 at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan Message-ID: <199903190312.TAA16078@hugin.imat.com> -- forwarded message -- Newsgroups: rec.humor.funny From: enge0213@tc.umn.edu (Aaron Engelhart) Subject: One Heck of a Portscan Keywords: chuckle, sexual, computers Approved: funny-request@netfunny.com Path: myrddin.imat.com!news1.best.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.netfunny.com!funny-request Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 19:30:00 PST Lines: 40 Xref: myrddin.imat.com rec.humor.funny:518 as long as we're on the subject. by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 15, @12:50PM >at 5 in the morning, an associate of mine took the time >to compute the rough bandwidth consumed in the human >ejaculation. > >the human body contains 75 megs of genetic data. >so the sperm transmits 37.5 megs, give or take a skosh. >100 million in a millileter, >2.25 ml per ejaculation, average. > >the bandwidth works out to > >8.4EB/s >8.4 * 10 to the 3rd terabytes >8.4 * 10 to the 6th gigabytes > >9,019,431,321,600,000 bytes in your penis per second. > >that's one heck of a portscan. [from slashdot.org, 3/15, story uncredited] -- Selected by Jim Griffith. MAIL your joke to funny@netfunny.com. Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. Remember: Always give your jokes a descriptive "Subject:" line. Don't use "joke" or "submission" or "joke submission," please. For the full submission guidelines, see http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/ This joke's link: http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/99/Mar/bandwidth.html Administrative note: For those of you who are interested in such things, Brad and Jim participated in a discussion on "email and humor", scheduled to air on NPR tomorrow, 3/17 during NPR's Morning Edition. The segment supposedly starts 21 minutes into the first hour of the broadcast (meaning 5:21, 7:21, and 9:21 a.m., depending on when your local NPR station chooses to air Morning Edition). -- end of forwarded message -- ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Thu Mar 18 19:18:02 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Request for comments Message-ID: <19990318191802.A9512@requiem.geecs.org> No, it's not by Al Gore, but... http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/apsl.html Problems with the "Export Law Assurances" section of the new Apple Public Source License. For potential submission to slashdot. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 19:25:20 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <199903190312.TAA16078@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: LOL....but was that all the jokes you were going to come up with? ;) _Deirdre (I just wanted to know when it was my turn you see) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 19:32:35 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] The Nutty MCP! Message-ID: <19990318193235.Q2373@zork.net> http://www.3gcs.com/tron/images/nutty.jpg -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 20:14:15 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] ESR wants an SMRL labcoat! Message-ID: <19990318201415.R2373@zork.net> Hey, so Eric Raymond asked me if the screen for the SMRL Lab coats is still around. He wants one badly. I'm thinking that many CrackMonkeys would also love to have one. Do you think that in the interests of inter-mailing list diplomacy that we could do another batch? I ask because the SMRL checking acout is in your name, Evan. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Thu Mar 18 20:24:10 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Request for comments In-Reply-To: <19990318191802.A9512@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 07:18:02PM -0800 References: <19990318191802.A9512@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990318202410.S2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 07:18:02PM -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: > No, it's not by Al Gore, but... > > http://www.loyalty.org/~schoen/apsl.html > > Problems with the "Export Law Assurances" section of the new Apple > Public Source License. For potential submission to slashdot. From the document: > 1.A violation of the law, if the violation happens within > the jurisdiction that created the law (or if the law is > extraterritorial). I think that this should read "extraterrestrial", so that everyone thinks that the law is written by spacemen. That way we can come on the radio as spacemen and tell everyone that crypto law is wrong and that we're re-writing it. Then people will share the cryptography. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 21:19:20 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything References: Message-ID: <36F1DE58.2C7F06BF@earthling.net> Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. > > > > Derek now has a new monkeyname (see headers). > > Congratulations! > > CrackMonkey name Who Mail Address damnit, i am not gothmonkey! > ---------------- --- ------------ > JediMonkey Eric S. Raymond > BheerMonkey Don Marti > ScratchMonkey Rick Moen (I call him NorseMonkey) > SpudMonkey Deirdre Saoirse (we won't say what he > calls me ) > > HonestMonkey Larry Augustin > HashMonkey Ayako > HappyMonkey Scott McNeil > SpiceMonkey Evreka Endo > BadMonkey Evan Prodromou > ShockMonkey as yet undetermined > FrenchMonkey Marc MERLIN > MissingLinkMonkey as yet undetermined > PopeMonkey Chris DiBona > GothMonkey Mae Ling Mak > KrautMonkey Bodo Bauer > SafetyMonkey Ian Kluft > PoMonkey > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 21:27:55 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... Message-ID: <36F1E05B.3C2D2CBE@earthling.net> after i read what dierdre wrote on her fridge, i _had_ to get back on crackmonkey. i am still _not_ gothmonkey (...but i'm not an alien!). -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 22:03:58 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] ESR wants an SMRL labcoat! In-Reply-To: <19990318201415.R2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Hey, so Eric Raymond asked me if the screen for the SMRL Lab coats is > still around. He wants one badly. I'm thinking that many > CrackMonkeys would also love to have one. Do you think that in the > interests of inter-mailing list diplomacy that we could do another > batch? Yes, please do! I want one!!!!! I told my friend Matt about the "Linux-based solutions for the Enterprise" and he said (without skipping a beat) "Oh, that's BAD." > I ask because the SMRL checking acout is in your name, Evan. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 22:22:31 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <36F1DE58.2C7F06BF@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > damnit, i am not gothmonkey! Well, you're not RedHatMonkey either :), so who *are* you? :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 22:23:50 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... In-Reply-To: <36F1E05B.3C2D2CBE@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > after i read what dierdre wrote on her fridge, i _had_ to get back on > crackmonkey. i am still _not_ gothmonkey (...but i'm not an alien!). What I wrote on my fridge? (represses the urge to check the fridge) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:00:45 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything References: Message-ID: <36F1F61D.DC7C0F5D@earthling.net> lawsuit monkey. -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:02:05 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... References: Message-ID: <36F1F66C.42C350B1@earthling.net> "i wrote mikehaher on my fridge, now i'm anorexic" -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:05:06 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Re: damnit... References: Message-ID: <36F1F722.83DE3479@earthling.net> we should fry the cd's, then do nick's viking burial of the peeps... then again, i always get boxes and boxes of them, then bite their heads off them & leave them places... mae Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > I can understand that. I was wondering if we should have a ceremonial > "roasting of the CDs" (in the microwave) next time I'm up? > > We can nuke Peeps while we're at it. > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > i had to turn down a job installing for an md because he wants rh... > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Thu Mar 18 23:01:49 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Request for comments In-Reply-To: <19990318202410.S2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 08:24:10PM -0800 References: <19990318191802.A9512@requiem.geecs.org> <19990318202410.S2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990318230149.J7709@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > From the document: > > > 1.A violation of the law, if the violation happens within > > the jurisdiction that created the law (or if the law is > > extraterritorial). > > I think that this should read "extraterrestrial", so that > everyone thinks that the law is written by spacemen. That way we can > come on the radio as spacemen and tell everyone that crypto law is > wrong and that we're re-writing it. Then people will share the > cryptography. "Ha! I'm outside of your jurisdiction! You can't enforce that law against me!" "That law is extraterrestrial! We can enforce it wanywhere in the entire Universe! Come with us, please." -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 23:10:24 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <36F1F61D.DC7C0F5D@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > lawsuit monkey. LOL! (really, I scared the cats I laughed so hard) No, I think you're more the "Sidhe who must be obeyed" type. "Sidhe" is pronounced "she" btw; it's the Irish word for fairy. Most people have heard the word banshee, it's anglicized bean sidhe (female fairy). _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 23:12:36 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:17 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... In-Reply-To: <36F1F66C.42C350B1@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > "i wrote mikehaher on my fridge, now i'm anorexic" ROFL, of course. How quickly I forgot. That must have been the work fridge. I still haven't eaten dinner yet. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:24:38 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] victorian verse kicks ass... Message-ID: <36F1FBB6.A16DCF2C@earthling.net> as some day it may happen that a victim must be found, i've got a little list-i've got a little list of social offenders who might well be underground, and who never would be missed-who never would be missed! there's the pestilential nuisances who write for autographs- all people who have flabby hands and irritating laughs- all children who are up in dates, and florr you with 'em flat- all persons who in shaking hands, shake hands with you like _that_- and all third persons who on spoiling tete-a-tetes insist- they'd none of 'em be missed-they'd none of 'em be missed! he's got 'em on the list- he's got 'em on the list;and they'll none of 'em be missed-they'll none of 'em be missed! there's a nigger serenader, the others of his race, and the piano-organist-i've got him on the list! and the people who eat peppermint and puff it in your face, theynever would be missed- they never woud be missed! then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone, all centuries but this, and every country but his own; and the lady from the provinces who dresses like a guy,and "who doesn't think she waltzes, but would rather like to try"! and that singular anomaly, the lady novelist- i don't think she'd be missed-i'm _sure_ she'd not be missed! he's got her on the list-he's got her on the list; and i don't think she'll be missed-i'm _sure_she'll not be missed! and that nisi prius nuisance, who just now is rather rife, the judicial humorist-i've got _him_ on the list! all funny fellows, comic men, and clowns of private life- they'd none of 'em be missed- they'd none of them be missed! and apologetic statesmen of a compromising kind, such as- what d'ye call him- thing'em bob, and likewise never mind, ans 'st-st'-'st- and what's-his-name, and also you-know-who- the task of filling up the blanksi'd rather leave to _you_. but it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list, for they'd none of 'em be missed- they'd none of 'em be missed! you may put 'em on the list- you may put 'em on the list; and they'll none of 'em be missed- they'll none of 'em be missed! from _they'll none of 'em be missed_ by sir william schwenck gilbert goddamnit, i've got a few for that list.... mae -- "if you light yourself on fire, the world will pay to watch you burn." -Course of Empire ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:33:04 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything References: Message-ID: <36F1FDB0.70113B8E@earthling.net> i have a green faery costume from when i used to drink gallons of absinthe, but hey, those days are _long_ over. the stuff is vile! how about murdermonkey? mae kill -9 rh! Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > lawsuit monkey. > > LOL! (really, I scared the cats I laughed so hard) > > No, I think you're more the "Sidhe who must be obeyed" type. "Sidhe" is > pronounced "she" btw; it's the Irish word for fairy. Most people have > heard the word banshee, it's anglicized bean sidhe (female fairy). > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:34:06 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... References: Message-ID: <36F1FDEE.17DC7D4@earthling.net> well, at least i can kind of keep down solid food again. rh should pay my medical bills this time... mae Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > "i wrote mikehaher on my fridge, now i'm anorexic" > > ROFL, of course. How quickly I forgot. That must have been the work > fridge. I still haven't eaten dinner yet. :) > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 23:42:44 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <36F1FDB0.70113B8E@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > i have a green faery costume from when i used to drink gallons of > absinthe, but hey, those days are _long_ over. the stuff is vile! how > about murdermonkey? Actually, how about the name of a nice poison? BelladonnaMonkey? (also abbreviates to BDMonkey which could be construed other ways ) ArsenicMonkey? Etc. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Thu Mar 18 23:43:54 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... In-Reply-To: <36F1FDEE.17DC7D4@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > well, at least i can kind of keep down solid food again. rh should pay > my medical bills this time... Yeah, they should. I'm glad you can eat again. I know what it's like to be THAT upset. :( > I have never killed a man, but I have read > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! Ya know...There's something I really need to say about this quote! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:56:51 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything References: Message-ID: <36F20343.C6031018@earthling.net> i think i like arsenicmonkey because you puke your guts out, your tongue turns purple, and then you die... i could be hidden_poison monkey. i have been known to spike peoples' stuff. the only thing i actually did was when i had a friend who ran a hostel and bed and breakfast in memphis. this one guy was stealing wine, so i dumped about a quart of it out, then put in a bottle of magnesium citrate and a bottle of fleet's phosphosoda. one glass, and he'd be busy for a _while_ 0.5 of a bottle of the second mentioned is enough for pre-colonoscopy elimination... think my friend got soft harted and dumped the thing, though. i have also wanted to put estrogen on my friend's dorm suitemates' deodorant & silver nitrate on the toilet paper. i really don't believe in murder, just making one suffer for extended periods of time... don't call me kevorkian! did i tell you my two latest great ways to die? one is an oral feeding drip of lye, and the other is left & right arm iv drips of chlorine and ammonia in a dilute form, so that the gas has a long time to form in enough strength to kill. i like the idea of KCNMonkey, but that's too easy a way to go... i must be voodoomonkey or vendictivemonkey... mae Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > Actually, how about the name of a nice poison? > > BelladonnaMonkey? (also abbreviates to BDMonkey which could be construed > other ways ) > ArsenicMonkey? > > Etc. :) > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Thu Mar 18 23:58:49 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... References: Message-ID: <36F203B9.156A793F@earthling.net> say it, kickassmonkey! Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > I have never killed a man, but I have read > > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! > > Ya know...There's something I really need to say about this quote! > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Fri Mar 19 00:10:50 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ Message-ID: <36F2068A.FD6AD1FD@earthling.net> PoisonMonkey TortureMonkey Slow_DeathMonkey SniperMonkey Pure_EvilMonkey RevengeMonkey Pain_AdminMonkey The_PlaintiffMonkey HumanKill-9erMonkey VooDooMonkey MaliciousMonkey Silent_KillerMonkey Fun_With_Sharp_ObjectsMonkey Chemical_CastrationMonkey (via progesterone injection) HateMonkey Angst_RiddenMonkey Not_AmusedMonkey Cardassian_TortureMonkey Pay_the_PiperMonkey Curb_KickerMonkey Stilleto_Heel_DropKickMonkey only nick can call me gothmonkey, so i need a real monkey name... mae -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 01:04:11 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... In-Reply-To: <36F203B9.156A793F@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > say it, kickassmonkey! > > > I have never killed a man, but I have read > > > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! > > > > Ya know...There's something I really need to say about this quote! I'd give you the punch line but Rick was offering a bunch of sordid jokes and I was saving it for when he was done. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 01:05:03 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ In-Reply-To: <36F2068A.FD6AD1FD@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > Not_AmusedMonkey How very understated. :) Rick called me WenchMonkey the other day, so I have dibs on that one. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Fri Mar 19 01:13:46 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... References: Message-ID: <36F2154A.F037BD04@earthling.net> okee. Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > say it, kickassmonkey! > > > > > I have never killed a man, but I have read > > > > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! > > > > > > Ya know...There's something I really need to say about this quote! > > I'd give you the punch line but Rick was offering a bunch of sordid jokes > and I was saving it for when he was done. :) > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Fri Mar 19 01:15:08 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ References: Message-ID: <36F2159C.A01EA9E4@earthling.net> i guess i could be BitchMonkey... the not amused thing comes from a quote from spock... mae Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > > > Not_AmusedMonkey > > How very understated. :) > > Rick called me WenchMonkey the other day, so I have dibs on that one. :) > > _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net > whats Canada's biggest product? > sarcasm -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de Fri Mar 19 05:06:03 1999 From: eugene.leitl at lrz.uni-muenchen.de (Eugene Leitl) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <199903190312.TAA16078@hugin.imat.com> References: <199903190312.TAA16078@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <14066.18179.964375.652994@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Rick Moen writes: > >the human body contains 75 megs of genetic data. Human genome is about 4 GBases long, iirc. > >so the sperm transmits 37.5 megs, give or take a skosh. > >100 million in a millileter, > >2.25 ml per ejaculation, average. > > > >the bandwidth works out to > > > >8.4EB/s > >8.4 * 10 to the 3rd terabytes > >8.4 * 10 to the 6th gigabytes > > > >9,019,431,321,600,000 bytes in your penis per second. The penis is bad. The gun is good. > >that's one heck of a portscan. Did you know there are much more bits in the bacteria contained in the dirt clinging outside of your computer? Did you know that the eye probably can't resolve more than 16 MPixels in true colour, at 20 fps, and the retina does a 1:126 compression? That would mean your optical nerve has only a 7 GBps bandwidth. Did you know that in a relativistic universe the channel with highest bandwidth is a relativist material packet stream? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 08:53:48 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <36F20343.C6031018@earthling.net>; from Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 11:56:51PM -0800 References: <36F20343.C6031018@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990319085348.T2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 11:56:51PM -0800, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > i think i like arsenicmonkey because you puke your guts out, your tongue > turns purple, and then you die... i could be hidden_poison monkey. i All right, then. I'm afraid I'm going to have to stop all this unauthorized CrackMonkey christening! One does not *choose* one's monkeyname! The only one able to do this was Rick Moen, and the original SpiceMonkey. Everyone else has to make do! Gothmonkey, I silence thee! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 08:54:25 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <14066.18179.964375.652994@lrz.uni-muenchen.de>; from Eugene Leitl on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:06:03PM +0100 References: <199903190312.TAA16078@hugin.imat.com> <14066.18179.964375.652994@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <19990319085425.U2373@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 02:06:03PM +0100, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Rick Moen writes: > > >9,019,431,321,600,000 bytes in your penis per second. > > The penis is bad. The gun is good. Obey Zardoz. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 08:55:53 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] ESR wants an SMRL labcoat! In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 10:03:58PM -0800 References: <19990318201415.R2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990319085553.V2373@zork.net> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 10:03:58PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > [SMRL coats] > > Yes, please do! I want one!!!!! OK, but these _are_ restricted to those who are part of the Pigdog continuum, so you'd have to show up at official Pigdog SMRL events(TM). No fair just getting a coat 'cuz they're cool (unless you're ESR). -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 09:08:08 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ In-Reply-To: <36F2159C.A01EA9E4@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > i guess i could be BitchMonkey... the not amused thing comes from a > quote from spock... Further back than that. It was something Queen Victoria was credited with saying: "We are not amused." _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 08:58:11 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ In-Reply-To: <36F2068A.FD6AD1FD@earthling.net>; from Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 12:10:50AM -0800 References: <36F2068A.FD6AD1FD@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990319085811.W2373@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 12:10:50AM -0800, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: [blasphemous monkeynames] > > only nick can call me gothmonkey, so i need a real monkey name... GAR GAR GAR! You WILL accept your ONE TRUE MONKEYNAME! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 09:15:45 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] ESR wants an SMRL labcoat! In-Reply-To: <19990319085553.V2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > OK, but these _are_ restricted to those who are part of the > Pigdog continuum, so you'd have to show up at official Pigdog SMRL > events(TM). No fair just getting a coat 'cuz they're cool (unless > you're ESR). ::sigh:: if I were in the area, it would be a lot easier, y'know? _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Fri Mar 19 09:21:54 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] well, i had to... In-Reply-To: <36F1E05B.3C2D2CBE@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > "if you light yourself on fire, > the world will pay to watch you burn." > -Course of Empire ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I think this qualifies you as gothmonkey. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Fri Mar 19 09:27:15 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net>; from Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:37:31PM -0800 References: <19990318163730.I2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990319092715.A5439@electriclichen.com> On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:37:31PM -0800, Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers wrote: > SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. But, but, Nick, how are we supposed to know if Rick Moen is a Polack or not? (procmail and I are about to go through that list with a bored-out, nitro-burning weed-whacker) -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Fri Mar 19 09:25:56 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <36F1FDB0.70113B8E@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 18 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > i have a green faery costume from when i used to drink gallons of > absinthe, but hey, those days are _long_ over. the stuff is vile! how > about murdermonkey? > > mae > Hmmm. Again, I think that suggesting that you be called murdermonkey indicates that gothmonkey is the correct classification. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 09:39:07 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <14066.18179.964375.652994@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Eugene Leitl wrote: > Rick Moen writes: > > > >the human body contains 75 megs of genetic data. > Human genome is about 4 GBases long, iirc. Base 4 though. (A-T, C-G) Actually, I've only heard the number expressed in number of genes, which is somewhere between 50k and 100k. The length of genes vary and only about 5% of any given strand of DNA appears to be coding. Plus of course it's fully redundant (not that this affects bandwidth). > > >9,019,431,321,600,000 bytes in your penis per second. > > The penis is bad. The gun is good. LOL _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 09:40:21 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <19990319092715.A5439@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: > On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 04:37:31PM -0800, Nickels Moffitt, King of the Low Rollers wrote: > > SVLUG is for hyperspacial losers. It's all about crackmonkey. > But, but, Nick, how are we supposed to know if Rick Moen is a Polack > or not? (procmail and I are about to go through that list with a > bored-out, nitro-burning weed-whacker) LOL! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Fri Mar 19 11:28:26 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 09:39:07AM -0800 References: <14066.18179.964375.652994@lrz.uni-muenchen.de> Message-ID: <19990319112826.B11612@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > Base 4 though. (A-T, C-G) > > Actually, I've only heard the number expressed in number of genes, which > is somewhere between 50k and 100k. The length of genes vary and only about > 5% of any given strand of DNA appears to be coding. Plus of course it's > fully redundant (not that this affects bandwidth). Since we don't know what junk DNA is, we're better off not excluding it yet. There are many theoretical arguments that suggest that it's important for something. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Fri Mar 19 11:47:59 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [anonymous@craigslist.org: (community) SAVE Spock the cat] Message-ID: <19990319114758.A6614@electriclichen.com> ----- Forwarded message from anonymous@craigslist.org ----- Delivered-To: listf-com-i@listfoundation.org MBOX-Line: From postings@craigslist.org Fri Mar 19 11:40:15 PST 1999 Date: 19 Mar 1999 19:21:52 -0000 From: anonymous@craigslist.org X-Return-Path: bouncer@listfoundation.org To: listfoundation members Errors-To: listf@listfoundation.org Reply-To: anonymous@craigslist.org Subject: (community) SAVE Spock the cat Please help save Spock the Cat 'Spock' is a unique, mellow, self-sufficient beautiful grey cat. He is in need of a home with space - he is an indoor/OUTDOOR cat who will spend some time in the house but mainly likes to adventure out of doors. He eats cat food (not birds, mice, etc.) Spock has all his shots and is snipped. Spock was rescued from the streets of SF and has been lovingly taken care of for the past six months but I have just moved in with my girlfriend who is allergic to cats, therefore, I must find a new home for Spock. If you feel you can help and are willing to help save a cat who is only just coming into his own that would be great - Spock comes with a carrier, feeding dish, litter box and some money to help pay for food and kitty litter to get you started. With a little time Spock will warm up to you and you will quickly see the greatness in him. Please page me at 415-207-4278. My name is Andrew. Thank you. pager#415-207-4278 phone#415-641-5509 _____________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (c) 1999 by http://www.craigslist.org, a California corporation. All rights reserved. craigslist.org does not authorize any re-posting of information posted on www.craigslist.org or e-mail messages without the consent of the poster or craigslist.org. We do not sell or license to third parties any postings or the information they contain. Any re-posting to other lists, and commercial use of such information other than by craigslist.org is unauthorized. ^^^^^^^^^^^^ breakin the law! breakin the law! ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 11:49:16 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <19990319112826.B11612@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Deirdre Saoirse writes: > > > Base 4 though. (A-T, C-G) > > > > Actually, I've only heard the number expressed in number of genes, which > > is somewhere between 50k and 100k. The length of genes vary and only about > > 5% of any given strand of DNA appears to be coding. Plus of course it's > > fully redundant (not that this affects bandwidth). > > Since we don't know what junk DNA is, we're better off not excluding it yet. > There are many theoretical arguments that suggest that it's important for > something. Note that, for this reason, I don't call it "junk DNA." In fact, researching what the "junk" is would be something highly interesting to me. It would not at all surprise me if there's a code vs. data issue and that the so-called "junk" is data used by the code. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 12:09:58 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [anonymous@craigslist.org: (community) SAVE Spock the cat] In-Reply-To: <19990319114758.A6614@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: Awww, Spock sounds neat. My favorite of my two cats (Scruffy) was a foundling. I had three until Tiger (aka Damned Lucky, see http://www.lightlink.com/luckytiger.gif) disappeared late last year after being my Miracle Kitty. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Fri Mar 19 12:30:28 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 11:49:16AM -0800 References: <19990319112826.B11612@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990319123028.H11612@requiem.geecs.org> Deirdre Saoirse writes: > On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > > > Since we don't know what junk DNA is, we're better off not excluding it yet. > > There are many theoretical arguments that suggest that it's important for > > something. > > Note that, for this reason, I don't call it "junk DNA." In fact, > researching what the "junk" is would be something highly interesting to > me. It would not at all surprise me if there's a code vs. data issue and > that the so-called "junk" is data used by the code. Well, if you ever find out, please do let me know... :-) -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 12:49:14 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] (fwd) One Heck of a Portscan In-Reply-To: <19990319123028.H11612@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > Deirdre Saoirse writes: > > Note that, for this reason, I don't call it "junk DNA." In fact, > > researching what the "junk" is would be something highly interesting to > > me. It would not at all surprise me if there's a code vs. data issue and > > that the so-called "junk" is data used by the code. > > Well, if you ever find out, please do let me know... :-) No problem. Like I say, I want to be a molecular biologist when I grow up. :) _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From g at wired.com Fri Mar 19 16:03:49 1999 From: g at wired.com (P a u l Guth) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [anonymous@craigslist.org: (community) SAVE Spock the cat] References: <19990319114758.A6614@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: <36F2E5E5.BBF64D60@wired.com> >With a little time Spock will warm up to you and you will >quickly see the greatness in him. Ain't that the truth. Don Marti wrote: > > ----- Forwarded message from anonymous@craigslist.org ----- > > Delivered-To: listf-com-i@listfoundation.org > MBOX-Line: From postings@craigslist.org Fri Mar 19 11:40:15 PST 1999 > Date: 19 Mar 1999 19:21:52 -0000 > From: anonymous@craigslist.org > X-Return-Path: bouncer@listfoundation.org > To: listfoundation members > Errors-To: listf@listfoundation.org > Reply-To: anonymous@craigslist.org > Subject: (community) SAVE Spock the cat > > Please help save Spock the Cat ______________________________________________________________________ P a u l g@wired.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 16:40:02 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [anonymous@craigslist.org: (community) SAVE Spock the cat] In-Reply-To: <36F2E5E5.BBF64D60@wired.com>; from P a u l Guth on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 04:03:49PM -0800 References: <19990319114758.A6614@electriclichen.com> <36F2E5E5.BBF64D60@wired.com> Message-ID: <19990319164002.B2373@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 04:03:49PM -0800, P a u l Guth wrote: > >With a little time Spock will warm up to you and you will > >quickly see the greatness in him. > > Ain't that the truth. Yea, verily, for the work of Spock is indeed great. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 17:02:35 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [anonymous@craigslist.org: (community) SAVE Spock the cat] In-Reply-To: <19990319164002.B2373@zork.net> Message-ID: The idea of a purring Spock (providing purr-based solutions for the Enterprise) just warms my heart. On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 04:03:49PM -0800, P a u l Guth wrote: > > >With a little time Spock will warm up to you and you will > > >quickly see the greatness in him. > > > > Ain't that the truth. > > Yea, verily, for the work of Spock is indeed great. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Fri Mar 19 17:33:06 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] smoke that crack Message-ID: <36F2FAD2.7A49ED5@earthling.net> you're right, nick. one cannot choose their crackmonkey name unless they are _rick moen_... gothmonkey (sigh). at least i don't like it. if i liked it, that would really make me gothmonkey... murdermonkey isn't goth- it's just a hobby. non goth people murder, too.... mae -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Fri Mar 19 17:33:30 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre Message-ID: <36F2FAEA.ED22C636@earthling.net> what did you say about my .sig file? mae -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 17:56:23 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: <36F2FAEA.ED22C636@earthling.net> Message-ID: Well, since Rick isn't gonna put out on the "going down" jokes, I will simply post the URL. Warning: morbid sense of humor approaching. I think only two other people know this is my site...and my mom just about died laughing. http://members.tripod.com/~BlackWidowed/ Remember, I warned you..... On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > what did you say about my .sig file? > I have never killed a man, but I have read > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 17:53:41 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:56:23PM -0800 References: <36F2FAEA.ED22C636@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990319175341.G2373@zork.net> On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:56:23PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > I think only two other people know this is my site...and my mom just > about died laughing. Wow. Can THAT happen, too? -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 18:07:57 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: <19990319175341.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Nick Moffitt wrote: > On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:56:23PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > I think only two other people know this is my site...and my mom just > > about died laughing. > > Wow. Can THAT happen, too? Probably. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Fri Mar 19 18:22:47 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: <19990319175341.G2373@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:53:41PM -0800 References: <36F2FAEA.ED22C636@earthling.net> <19990319175341.G2373@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990319182247.U11612@requiem.geecs.org> Nick Moffitt writes: > On Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:56:23PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > I think only two other people know this is my site...and my mom just > > about died laughing. > > Wow. Can THAT happen, too? http://www.mindspring.com/~mmessall/Python/funniest.txt -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Fri Mar 19 18:45:08 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Fri, Mar 19, 1999 at 05:56:23PM -0800 References: <36F2FAEA.ED22C636@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990319184508.E18385@hugin.imat.com> Quoting Deirdre Saoirse (deirdre@deirdre.net): > Well, since Rick isn't gonna put out on the "going down" jokes, I will > simply post the URL. Warning: morbid sense of humor approaching. Not that morbid. Rather tame, by my family's standards. Am I allowed to complain that it's not Lynx-friendly? -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Fri Mar 19 18:48:27 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] hey dierdre In-Reply-To: <19990319184508.E18385@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Rick Moen wrote: > Not that morbid. Rather tame, by my family's standards. Right, but for those who HAVEN'T gone through it as you and I have, well, you should just see some of the flame mail I've gotten. > Am I allowed to complain that it's not Lynx-friendly? Yes you are. I started putting it up (abandoned mid-stream) when I was still a Mac-only person and prior to my checking things with Lynx. Alas, I don't have access to change it any more as I have lost the password and the email account in question no longer exists and I didn't open it using my real name. So, it stands as a monument of a moment in time. _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Fri Mar 19 19:23:25 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Oooh maaaan. Message-ID: <19990319192325.H2373@zork.net> http://www.netrinsics.com/Famous.html Has anoyone seen this? It rivals Cynbe's arguments. It's perfect. It's golden. It's a rip-roaring garfest shred-Microsoft potato of fun. I am still laughing. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Sat Mar 20 02:55:15 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] al gore is at it again... Message-ID: <36F37E93.9163B465@earthling.net> is this man a pathological liar, or what? http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990317/V000992-031799-idx.html mae -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 03:22:04 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? Message-ID: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> http://www.internic.net/ (with a graphical browser!) I can't believe what's happened to the InterNIC. It doesn't even call itself the InterNIC anymore. It doesn't even call domain names "domain names" anymore. It _provides commercial ISP services_ and _helps you find a "web address" for your business_. It _has a picture of a guy sitting by the ocean using a laptop_. It doesn't mention any of the following anywhere I can find: DNS, IP, RFC, NIC, whois, AS. (Well, so, it doesn't do the IP and AS stuff anymore, but you'd think they'd explain what happened or something.) I remember when the NIC didn't even have a web page; you were supposed to get forms via FTP, fill them out yourself, and then submit them by e-mail. Plus, every single web page and their phone support system keeps calling them "The Dot Com People". The sooner the InterNIC loses its registration authority for top-level domains, the better, I think. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 03:30:47 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? In-Reply-To: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org>; from Seth David Schoen on Sat, Mar 20, 1999 at 03:22:04AM -0800 References: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <19990320033047.A21203@requiem.geecs.org> Seth David Schoen writes: > It _provides commercial ISP services_ and _helps you find a "web address" for > your business_. > > It _has a picture of a guy sitting by the ocean using a laptop_. It keeps me on hold for a third of _Mortal City_ and half of _Kindertotenlieder_ (about half an hour in all) until I hang up in frustration. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Sat Mar 20 04:18:19 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? References: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> <19990320033047.A21203@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <36F3920B.8B79690@earthling.net> doink. you do realise that this is the result of every joe schmoe registering with the internic, right? ugh.... mae -- I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! -Clarence Darrow 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Sat Mar 20 08:06:15 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? In-Reply-To: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: <4.1.19990320080220.03cadb10@soundwave.usfca.edu> At 03:22 AM 3/20/99 -0800, Seth David Schoen wrote: >http://www.internic.net/ > (something to the effect of "fuck me!") Ack! They've destroyed rs.internic.net too! Hmm.. Looks like you can still ftp to rs.internic.net for templates and submit them without dealing with this. On Rick's previous rant, this non-lynxable crap is quickly becoming my Internet pet peeve. Take root-shell for example. They're target market is Unix security people and their download facility isn't lynx friendly. Duh. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 11:12:36 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] VP inventors Message-ID: <19990320111236.B23345@requiem.geecs.org> "If Al Gore invented the Internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle, quoted on NPR today -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 12:37:39 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? In-Reply-To: <36F3920B.8B79690@earthling.net>; from Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) on Sat, Mar 20, 1999 at 04:18:19AM -0800 References: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> <19990320033047.A21203@requiem.geecs.org> <36F3920B.8B79690@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990320123739.C23906@requiem.geecs.org> Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) writes: > doink. you do realise that this is the result of every joe schmoe > registering with the internic, right? ugh.... Ugh is _right_. I can't help feeling that it's still inappropriate, though, however many Joe Schmoes there are. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 14:36:49 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Horrible pun (was: Re: [svlug] Who is the Demon Penguin?) In-Reply-To: <36F1BBB8.D4198EB8@psu.edu>; from Michael K Vance on Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 09:51:36PM -0500 References: <36F1BBB8.D4198EB8@psu.edu> Message-ID: <19990320143649.A25032@requiem.geecs.org> [I forgot to forward a copy of this to crackmonkey. I think one or two of you have seen it.] Michael K Vance writes (on svlug): > Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > > > RedHat may be a vegetarian distro but Debian is vegan. > > > Well, I use an Omnivore distro myself (SuSE) as that's what I prefer. > > Does it work the other way? As a vegan, am I compelled to use Debian? Will we > see "Caldera is Murder" or some such T-Shirts ;). Actually, Caldera is kidnapping: you have to pay Ransom. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Mar 20 15:24:31 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] What the hell? In-Reply-To: <19990320032204.A21364@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > I can't believe what's happened to the InterNIC. It doesn't even call itself > the InterNIC anymore. It doesn't even call domain names "domain names" > anymore. It is truly horrific. :( _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sat Mar 20 15:35:41 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:18 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] VP inventors In-Reply-To: <19990320111236.B23345@requiem.geecs.org> Message-ID: There was also a great Clinton quote yesterday. "Al Gore had a lot more to do with creating the internet than I did" or some such. I need the exact sound byte though. On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Seth David Schoen wrote: > "If Al Gore invented the Internet, I invented spell check." > -- Dan Quayle, quoted on NPR today _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Sat Mar 20 16:27:36 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] al gore is at it again... In-Reply-To: <36F37E93.9163B465@earthling.net>; from Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) on Sat, Mar 20, 1999 at 02:55:15AM -0800 References: <36F37E93.9163B465@earthling.net> Message-ID: <19990320162736.H30891@zork.net> On Sat, Mar 20, 1999 at 02:55:15AM -0800, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > is this man a pathological liar, or what? > > http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990317/V000992-031799-idx.html Seth, have you sent in that RFC yet or what? -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 17:21:12 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Reiterating the obvious Message-ID: <19990320172112.A25983@requiem.geecs.org> >From the I-am-not-Richard-Stallman department: They believe that the most important aspect of open source software is that it is free; by this standard, any association with proprietary products tarnishes the software. However, I believe that the most important property of open source software is that it fosters the development of new technologies. John Ousterhout, "Free Software Needs Profit" -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu Sat Mar 20 17:25:12 1999 From: schoen at uclink4.berkeley.edu (Seth David Schoen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] 3Com vs. Hasbro, round 1, fight! Message-ID: <19990320172512.A26018@requiem.geecs.org> Russ Nelson on why criticisms of Palm Computing's latest models are off-target: Battery life is everything, color is nothing. Twenty years ago, when a friend was eyeing a color display (it cost $1,200 for a 128x64 pixel display) I bought him a Hasbro Lite-Brite. You want portable color, buy some crayons. -- Seth David Schoen / schoen@uclink4.berkeley.edu He said, "This is what the king who will reign over you will do." And they said, "Nay, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations." (1 Sam 8) http://ishmael.geecs.org/~sigma/ http://www.loyalty.org/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Sun Mar 21 13:33:19 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Stig goes apeshit! Message-ID: <19990321133319.C20921@hugin.imat.com> ----- Forwarded message from Stig Hackvan ----- Received: from hackvan.com (JATO.hackvan.com [206.80.31.242]) by hugin.imat.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id GAA21678 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 1999 06:40:05 -0800 Received: (qmail 8463 invoked by uid 500); 21 Mar 1999 14:38:58 -0000 Mailing-List: contact brain-help@hackvan.com; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list brain@hackvan.com Received: (qmail 8392 invoked by alias); 21 Mar 1999 14:38:52 -0000 Delivered-To: brain@hackvan.com Date: 21 Mar 1999 14:38:51 -0000 Message-ID: <19990321143851.8387.qmail@hackvan.com> To: m17n99@etl.go.jp CC: Brain of Stig Subject: (Brain of Stig) Law <---> anti/Law From: "Stig Hackvan" X-Face: 7!m2V|20yUv)(#F=t:=2WXX_ 

i went
pretty nuts on
poetry this week.
i don't know how well
that will work out for
an international audience,
but it should be entertaining...
and the sheer obtuseness of
it should serve as a benchmark for
truly multi-lingual computing...  the
divergence of technical language from the
mainstream has always been a bit of a problem...

St. Stupid has gotten me.

time to leave for
my plane.

goodbye.

Stig



For my Presentation at ETL's Symposium on Multilingual Information Processing,
	      1-1-4, Umezono, Tsukuba, Ibaraki JAPAN 305-8568
			       March 23, 1999

			  ((( Law vs anti/Law )))
		       (which was formerly ur/Named)
		  ====== Infrastructure, Licensing ======
	      (and career/Paths in the open-source/Community)
	    [I will show Pictures and read Nutty hacker/Poetry!]
	     (i/Intend to release the Purified anti/Law Virus)
	       the Eve of April Fool's Day, 1999 japan/Tokyo
			(the last before why-two-K)
				  Mozilla
				    was
				 Last Year
				    and
				 This Year
				    its
				     :
				    NOW
				     !
			(Thanks for the Invitation)
		     http://www.etl.go.jp/~mule/m17n99/
   ---------------------- (b4 i/Hop off the/Plane) ----------------------

	      Temporal (in)Sanity is Sooooooooooooooooooooooo

			  (squAre/peg, rOund/hOle)

				  Much Fun




Q: Have I been listening to too much Joseph Campbell?

A: Yes.  most definitely...  but i have a lot to say about licenses that
   isn't in rhyming verse and at least it makes more sense TO ME now, so
   that i can better explain the stuff i know and ask the stuff i don't.



-- 
Stig        ...  Friend of Hacking      ...  antilaw@brainofstig.AI
Hackv?n      ...  http://hackvan.com     ...  law-vs@devlinux.com
We are (B)org ...  http://brainofstig.AI  ...  stig@hackvan.com
           \
            \.....  whether we C (it | not) ...  Inquire?Hack!
	     \.....  us monkey/Boys: still under/Construction

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"...he tried unsuccessfully to join the Imperial Infantry,
    which, in spite of its name, did not take children." 

             - Prof. Peter Schickele on P. D. Q. Bach
----- End forwarded message ----- ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Sun Mar 21 14:29:28 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Stig goes apeshit! References: <19990321133319.C20921@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <36F572C8.8DCD901A@earthling.net> you mean that you didn't know that stig _already_ went ape shit? mae -- Mae Ling Mak | I have never killed a man, but I have read maeling@earthling.net | many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! http://www.spinster.org | -Clarence Darrow | 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 21 16:03:54 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Stig goes apeshit! In-Reply-To: <19990321133319.C20921@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: What do you suppose he imbibed? _Deirdre * http://disclaimer.deirdre.org * http://www.deirdre.net whats Canada's biggest product? sarcasm ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Sun Mar 21 16:21:09 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pr0n-o-stammtisch! Message-ID: <19990321162109.C29934@electriclichen.com> ----- Forwarded message from lisalove@wa-hoo.com ----- > Delivered-To: listf-tec-i@listfoundation.org > MBOX-Line: From postings@craigslist.org Fri Mar 19 22:13:46 PST 1999 > Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 22:13:45 -0800 (PST) > From: lisalove@wa-hoo.com > X-Return-Path: bouncer@listfoundation.org > To: listfoundation members > Errors-To: listf@listfoundation.org > Reply-To: lisalove@wa-hoo.com > Subject: (tec 4/24) Bay Area Adult Webmasters monthly gathering! > > > Bay Area Adult Webmasters monthly gathering! > > If you are a webmaster or affiliate of an > adult web site and you live in the Bay Area, > come join us for our monthly gathering at > Thirsty Bear Brewing Company in San Francisco > on Saturday April 24, 1999 at 6:00 p.m. > > BAAW is a monthly gathering of adult site > webmasters and affiliates looking to > exchange ideas, compare notes, network, > and have a good time too! > > This month we're meeting at Thirsty Bear > Brewing Company, 'One of the top 100 > restaurants of the Bay Area.' - SF Chronicle > > This gathering is not just for webmasters, > it's for anyone involved in making adult web > sites great! (employees, models, etc.) > > So, bring yourself and anything you'd like > to share with the rest of us - pictures, > biz cards, articles, girl scout cookies! > > By the way, Thirsy Bear is not affiliated > with BAAW in any way, but it looks like > they'll be getting some good business on > the 24th. > > Questions? email Lisa Love at > lisalove@wa-hoo.com > > Thirsty Bear (www.thirstybear.com) is located > between 2nd and 3rd street on Howard in the > SOMA district of San Francisco. The address is: > > 661 Howard St. > San Francisco, CA 94105 > [415] 974-0905 > > Saturday April 24, 1999 at 6:00 p.m. > Put it on your calendar! > > Hope to see you there! Spread the word! > > Lisa Love > lisalove@wa-hoo.com > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > Copyright (c) 1999 by http://www.craigslist.org, a California corporation. > All rights reserved. craigslist.org does not > authorize any re-posting of information posted on www.craigslist.org > or e-mail messages without the consent of the poster or craigslist.org. > We do not sell or license to third parties any postings > or the information they contain. Any re-posting to other lists, and > commercial use of such information other than by craigslist.org is unauthorized. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Sun Mar 21 16:30:41 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] pr0n-o-stammtisch! In-Reply-To: <19990321162109.C29934@electriclichen.com> Message-ID: Yeah, of *course* they want the models to come too. :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at electriclichen.com Sun Mar 21 16:39:18 1999 From: dmarti at electriclichen.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] no "help" here... Message-ID: <19990321163918.D29934@electriclichen.com> ----- Forwarded message from owner-cabal@electriclichen.com ----- > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:27:23 -0800 > From: owner-cabal@electriclichen.com > To: owner-cabal@barley.electriclichen.com > Subject: BOUNCE cabal@barley.electriclichen.com: Admin request: /^subject:\s*help\b/i > > >From dmarti@barley.electriclichen.com Sat Mar 20 01:27:21 1999 > Received: from rgate2.ricochet.net (rgate2.ricochet.net [204.179.143.3]) > by barley.electriclichen.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15980 > for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:27:20 -0800 > Received: from earthling.net (mg128-025.ricochet.net [204.179.128.25]) > by rgate2.ricochet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id DAA04979 > for ; Sat, 20 Mar 1999 03:27:12 -0600 (CST) > Sender: spinster@ricochet.net > Message-ID: <36F369F4.A3021490@earthling.net> > Date: Sat, 20 Mar 1999 01:27:16 -0800 > From: "Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)" > Organization: www.spinster.org > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: "(there is a freaking) CABAL" > Subject: help me? > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > i need to have a machine tweaked by the 31st of this month. do you think > you guys could help me install wp and get ppp going on this thing? it's > a land line modem. i also nead dialup to this modem for remote admin. > it's running turbo linux, and is that heavy moniputer. i didn't want to > work on it at the last mtg because i was so distraught over the whole rh > thing. > > thanks, > mae > > p.s. it's a land line modem connection on the sucker... > -- > I have never killed a man, but I have read > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! > -Clarence Darrow > 1857-1938 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Don Marti Electric Lichen L.L.C. whois DM683 -rwxr--r-- Harrison Street dmarti@electriclichen.com San Francisco, California USA ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 18:42:37 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) Message-ID: People piss me off. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:40:58 +0100 From: lillo To: chris@dibona.com Subject: why linux is not easy?? Hallo i have decided to write you to tell how much i'm disappointed of Linux o.s.. I'm a new user of Linux o.s. and i've observed that i can't install the most populars software like kde, gnome, scitext etc becouse i haven't the libraries that they asks. I install always the newer kernel version. At moment i've 2.2.1 and gcc 2.9. I can't too to compile many programs becouse the compiler return some error messages that says some variables are undefinited and stop the compilation. Now i ask you a simple thing: is this Linux o.s. and i don't able to install a software or to compile a program either is Linux wrong? For me the first thing to do is to make easy the installation of software enclosing all the libraries the program need in the same program package like do Windows 95/98 software. For me isn't possible don't to install a program becouse i haven't a library. I hope for a your pawning and send you my greetings. jamesbiond@serradifalco.it ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 18:45:22 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) Message-ID: I hate people. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:40:58 +0100 From: lillo To: chris@dibona.com Subject: why linux is not easy?? Hallo i have decided to write you to tell how much i'm disappointed of Linux o.s.. I'm a new user of Linux o.s. and i've observed that i can't install the most populars software like kde, gnome, scitext etc becouse i haven't the libraries that they asks. I install always the newer kernel version. At moment i've 2.2.1 and gcc 2.9. I can't too to compile many programs becouse the compiler return some error messages that says some variables are undefinited and stop the compilation. Now i ask you a simple thing: is this Linux o.s. and i don't able to install a software or to compile a program either is Linux wrong? For me the first thing to do is to make easy the installation of software enclosing all the libraries the program need in the same program package like do Windows 95/98 software. For me isn't possible don't to install a program becouse i haven't a library. I hope for a your pawning and send you my greetings. jamesbiond@serradifalco.it ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 10:34:48 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Chris J. DiBona on Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 06:45:22PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990322103447.H2372@zork.net> On Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 06:45:22PM -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > I hate people. [SECOND unwanted copy of crazy Italian deleted] Me too. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 18:48:55 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990322103447.H2372@zork.net> Message-ID: [SECOND unwanted copy of crazy Italian deleted] Sorry, pine hosed, didn't think it go out and KNEW that crackmonkey wanted to see a snapshot of my email life. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Mon Mar 22 10:48:13 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] geeks on ice Message-ID: <36F6906D.57BC9D74@earthling.net> i am trying to get all of us geeks together to go ice skating. the best date that i can come up with is sunday, april 11. i would have to talk to the group skate coordinator to get a time so that we get a discount. there is one requirement- you must mave the mentality of at least an 18-year-old. if not, you must have a parent or guardian skate with you. mae -- Mae Ling Mak | I have never killed a man, but I have read maeling@earthling.net | many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! http://www.spinster.org | -Clarence Darrow | 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 10:57:59 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > [SECOND unwanted copy of crazy Italian deleted] > > Sorry, pine hosed, didn't think it go out and KNEW that crackmonkey wanted > to see a snapshot of my email life. But it was so crackmonkey! _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From derek at usfca.edu Mon Mar 22 11:00:25 1999 From: derek at usfca.edu (Derek Vadala) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > [SECOND unwanted copy of crazy Italian deleted] > > Sorry, pine hosed, didn't think it go out and KNEW that crackmonkey wanted > to see a snapshot of my email life. > > Chris > Dear James, Perhaps your library card is expired? You might want to try renewing it to see if that solves your problem. Don't forget to bring two forms of identification and a proof of address to your local branch. You might also check to see if an inter-libary loan can be arranged should your local library prove unable to aid you with your troubles. If we can be of further assistance please let us know. +++ath Derek Vadala, derek@usfca.edu, http://www.cynicism.com/~derek ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Mon Mar 22 11:03:08 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) References: Message-ID: <36F693EC.7D9B106F@earthling.net> i hate. -- Mae Ling Mak | I have never killed a man, but I have read maeling@earthling.net | many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! http://www.spinster.org | -Clarence Darrow | 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 11:03:51 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] geeks on ice In-Reply-To: <36F6906D.57BC9D74@earthling.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > i am trying to get all of us geeks together to go ice skating. the best > date that i can come up with is sunday, april 11. i would have to talk > to the group skate coordinator to get a time so that we get a discount. I think that's a *great* idea. :)))) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From greg at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 11:13:44 1999 From: greg at varesearch.com (Greg Kucharo) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Chris J. DiBona on Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 06:42:37PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990322111344.O4562@ws156.varesearch.com> It's your goddamn personal fault that Linux doesn't work right. Don't attempt through sarcasm to shirk your responsibility. That would be total b.s. if you get my drift. I have used Windows literally dozens of times. It is by far the easiest thing ever since the invention of hula hoop. You and your drug crazed, filthy, ugly and mentally deficent Linux crowd are headed for a early vacation in hell if you don't clean up pronto. On Sun, Mar 21, 1999 at 06:42:37PM -0800, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > People piss me off. > > Chris > > -- > Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com > Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org > Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org > Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 19:40:58 +0100 > From: lillo > To: chris@dibona.com > Subject: why linux is not easy?? > > Hallo > i have decided to write you to tell how much i'm disappointed of Linux o.s.. > I'm a new user of Linux o.s. and i've observed that i can't install the > most populars software like kde, gnome, scitext etc becouse i haven't the > libraries that they asks. > I install always the newer kernel version. At moment i've 2.2.1 and gcc 2.9. > I can't too to compile many programs becouse the compiler return some error > messages that says some variables are undefinited and stop the compilation. > Now i ask you a simple thing: > is this Linux o.s. and i don't able to install a software or to compile a > program either is Linux wrong? > For me the first thing to do is to make easy the installation of software > enclosing all the libraries the program need in the same program package > like do Windows 95/98 software. For me isn't possible don't to install a > program > becouse i haven't a library. > I hope for a your pawning and send you my greetings. > > > jamesbiond@serradifalco.it > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. -- _________________________________________________________ Greg Kucharo "We must hang together, or we will" VA Research surely hang separately" -Ben Franklin finger greg@varesearch.com for public key ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From fuller at metalab.unc.edu Mon Mar 22 11:33:07 1999 From: fuller at metalab.unc.edu (Adam Fuller) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: <19990322111344.O4562@ws156.varesearch.com> Message-ID: > I have used Windows literally dozens of times. It is by > far the easiest thing ever since the invention of hula > hoop. Who said the hula hoop was easy? Maybe for the *older* crowd, but these days, who has the time? -- /*---------------------------------------------------------------------* * adam fuller http://www.redcap.org * * Metalab Unix System Administrator http://metalab.unc.edu * *---------------------------------------------------------------------*/ ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 11:26:22 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] why linux is not easy?? (fwd) In-Reply-To: ; from Adam Fuller on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 02:33:07PM -0500 References: <19990322111344.O4562@ws156.varesearch.com> Message-ID: <19990322112622.J2372@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 02:33:07PM -0500, Adam Fuller wrote: > > I have used Windows literally dozens of times. It is by > > far the easiest thing ever since the invention of hula > > hoop. > > Who said the hula hoop was easy? Maybe for the *older* crowd, > but these days, who has the time? Exactly! I don't have the time to go reading through the literally thousands of pages of documentation just to play with a toy like that. They shuld make hula-hoops easier for the rest of us! We deserve it! -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 11:30:00 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Processes in Unix 6th edition. Message-ID: <19990322113000.K2372@zork.net> There are a number of serious difficulties in providing a generally acceptable definition of "process". These are akin to the difficulties faced by the philosopher who would answer "what is life?" We will be in good company if we brush the more subtle points lightly aside. -- John Lions, in his commentary on the Unix v6 source code -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 11:43:57 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Availability/Pointers/Contacts for ARM-Linux network drivers (fwd) Message-ID: I know this isn't crackmonkey this year, but it still blows my mind to see stuff like this: _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:33:32 -0800 From: "Martin, Beth" Reply-To: devel@netwinder.org [snip] I work with Jason Chagas at Intel doing development on Linux for the ARM platform. [snip] ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From entropy at milliways.net Mon Mar 22 12:02:23 1999 From: entropy at milliways.net (Matt Reynolds) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com] References: <19990308155558.O12234@zork.net> Message-ID: <36F6A1CF.BF240A97@milliways.net> In my defense, I didn't even know this list existed till months after I started using that nick... My roommate started calling me that after I started working 70 hour weeks, and it just stuck. Although, here at work now we have a rather varied collection of different monkeys, similar to the ones you guys use. Ours are much more simplistic. BTW, I've been on here for weeks... how often do you read those emails? Nick Moffitt wrote: > I don't even know what to make of this one. > > ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- > > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 21:00:08 -0800 > To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net > From: Majordomo@zork.net > Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com > Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net > > -- > > crackmonkey@iname.com has been added to crackmonkey. > No action is required on your part. > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and > unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good > engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to > itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 12:01:19 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] [Majordomo@zork.net: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey crackmonkey@iname.com] In-Reply-To: <36F6A1CF.BF240A97@milliways.net>; from Matt Reynolds on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 02:02:23PM -0600 References: <19990308155558.O12234@zork.net> <36F6A1CF.BF240A97@milliways.net> Message-ID: <19990322120119.M2372@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 02:02:23PM -0600, Matt Reynolds wrote: > In my defense, I didn't even know this list existed till months > after I started using that nick... My roommate started calling me > that after I started working 70 hour weeks, and it just stuck. > Although, here at work now we have a rather varied collection of > different monkeys, similar to the ones you guys use. Ours are much > more simplistic. Yeah, but have you read crackmonkey.org? > BTW, I've been on here for weeks... how often do you read those > emails? Well, your iname.com address was deferring connections, so it wasn't until I rant a sendmail -q just now that everything settled out. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 12:04:42 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Don goes APESHIT!! Message-ID: <19990322120442.N2372@zork.net> Holy cow! He's a fucking loon! ----- Forwarded message from Majordomo@zork.net ----- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 11:58:41 -0800 To: crackmonkey-approval@zork.net From: Majordomo@zork.net Subject: SUBSCRIBE crackmonkey dmarti@varesearch.com Reply-To: Majordomo@zork.net -- dmarti@varesearch.com has been added to crackmonkey. No action is required on your part. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 20:45:33 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ In-Reply-To: <36F2068A.FD6AD1FD@earthling.net> Message-ID: oooooooh! voodoomonkey Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Fri, 19 Mar 1999, Mae Ling Mak (Spinster) wrote: > PoisonMonkey > TortureMonkey > Slow_DeathMonkey > SniperMonkey > Pure_EvilMonkey > RevengeMonkey > Pain_AdminMonkey > The_PlaintiffMonkey > HumanKill-9erMonkey > VooDooMonkey > MaliciousMonkey > Silent_KillerMonkey > Fun_With_Sharp_ObjectsMonkey > Chemical_CastrationMonkey (via progesterone injection) > HateMonkey > Angst_RiddenMonkey > Not_AmusedMonkey > Cardassian_TortureMonkey > Pay_the_PiperMonkey > Curb_KickerMonkey > Stilleto_Heel_DropKickMonkey > > only nick can call me gothmonkey, so i need a real monkey name... > > mae > > > > -- > I have never killed a man, but I have read > many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! > -Clarence Darrow > 1857-1938 > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 20:46:51 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You forgot Christine. Chefmonkey! PopeMonkey -- > SpiceMonkey Evreka Embo > BadMonkey Evan Prodromou > ShockMonkey as yet undetermined > FrenchMonkey Marc MERLIN > MissingLinkMonkey as yet undetermined > PopeMonkey Chris DiBona > GothMonkey Mae Ling Mak > KrautMonkey Bodo Bauer > SafetyMonkey Ian Kluft > PoMonkey ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 12:45:50 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > You forgot Christine. > > Chefmonkey! Speaking of women, what's Tabinda's monkey name? Hrm? _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From maeling at earthling.net Mon Mar 22 12:51:55 1999 From: maeling at earthling.net (Mae Ling Mak (Spinster)) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] possible names for _not gothmonkey_ References: Message-ID: <36F6AD6B.DFF8F498@earthling.net> i like voodoo monkey, since i've added a couple more dolls to my collection, but nick says that you must be dubbed a monkey name... yarg. mae Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > oooooooh! > > voodoomonkey > > Chris -- Mae Ling Mak | I have never killed a man, but I have read maeling@earthling.net | many obituaries with a lot of pleasure! http://www.spinster.org | -Clarence Darrow | 1857-1938 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Sun Mar 21 20:55:00 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: GrrlMonkey? (she was the former pres of the sv webgrrls) WowMonkey *ducking* chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > > > You forgot Christine. > > > > Chefmonkey! > > Speaking of women, what's Tabinda's monkey name? Hrm? > > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net > "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in > creating the Internet." -- Al Gore > "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 12:55:00 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 21 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > GrrlMonkey? (she was the former pres of the sv webgrrls) I like that. :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 13:02:26 1999 From: dmarti at varesearch.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 12:45:50PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990322130226.A10142@univac.varesearch.com> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 12:45:50PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > Speaking of women, what's Tabinda's monkey name? Hrm? She's not on this list. Meanwhile, I now have a cubicle, a shitload of Post-It notes and highlighter pens, and a really small letter opener. Not nearly as good as the letter opener at my old office, which I forgot to bring. Spaz the Penguin is here with me. Say "hi" to all the nice monkeys, Spaz! -- Don Marti | 888-516-8948, ext. 128 dmarti@varesearch.com | Linux rules. | ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 13:06:22 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] crack, the universe and everything In-Reply-To: <19990322130226.A10142@univac.varesearch.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: > > Speaking of women, what's Tabinda's monkey name? Hrm? > She's not on this list. So? I had a monkeyname before I joined. > Meanwhile, I now have a cubicle, a shitload of Post-It notes and highlighter > pens, and a really small letter opener. To kill really small lusers? > Spaz the Penguin is here with me. Say "hi" to all the nice monkeys, > Spaz! Hi Spaz! _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 15:16:59 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Fwd: Re: Hi there... (fwd) Message-ID: I just *had* to forward this because of the last line...in which I am exchanging info about different trade shows with one of our python/java coders back east.... _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: Hi there... Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:04:25 -0500 From: Dave Mitchell On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > I had a LOT of fun actually, some of which is chronicled in the bardic > saga "Travels with Rick Moen" that my friend Nick and I are writing. I > haven't uploaded the later saga (working title is "Sorry! No Cow's Eyes > Today"), but what I do have is at http://www.deirdre.net/travels_rm.html Sounds like a real geekfest alright. Wouldn't mind doing a geeks with guns though. Eric Raymond's quite a character.. Haven't met RMS or Linus though. > Nick's coverage is at: http://zork.net/crackmonkey/travel.html tales of people I don't know. who the hell's RICK MOEN? -dave -- _Deirdre * Technical Director, Magnet Interactive * www.magnet.com "'www' means 'Windows won't win'" -- Mark Jarvis, Senior VP, Oracle Direct phone: 310-815-5069 Cell phone: 949-929-5766 Fax: 310-815-5095 ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 16:02:11 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. Message-ID: <19990322160211.T2372@zork.net> ATTENTION: I'm running a tape backup from this machine. DO NOT RESTART! Please come see Nick Moffitt (x346) if you have any questions regarding this machine. ACHTUNG: Me ist makin der tapenbackupen mitt dis komputermachine. RESTARTEN IST VERBOTTEN! Pleasen telephonencallen Nick Moffitt (x346) iffen anykvestions you haaben uuf sie komputermachine. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From dmarti at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 16:21:27 1999 From: dmarti at varesearch.com (Don Marti) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. In-Reply-To: <19990322160211.T2372@zork.net>; from Nick Moffitt on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 04:02:11PM -0800 References: <19990322160211.T2372@zork.net> Message-ID: <19990322162127.A10560@univac.varesearch.com> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 04:02:11PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > Pleasen telephonencallen Nick Moffitt (x346) iffen anykvestions you > haaben uuf sie komputermachine. "Pleasen?" Canst du nicht "Bitte" gespellen? -- Don Marti | 888-516-8948, ext. 128 dmarti@varesearch.com | Linux rules. | ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 16:22:50 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. In-Reply-To: <19990322160211.T2372@zork.net> Message-ID: You forgot the bit about "das blinkenlights" :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 16:30:54 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. In-Reply-To: <19990322162127.A10560@univac.varesearch.com> Message-ID: Yeah, and isn't it "telefonieren" or something like that? On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Don Marti wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 04:02:11PM -0800, Nick Moffitt wrote: > > > Pleasen telephonencallen Nick Moffitt (x346) iffen anykvestions you > > haaben uuf sie komputermachine. > > "Pleasen?" Canst du nicht "Bitte" gespellen? _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Mon Mar 22 00:44:56 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Und derfingerpoken. Chris PS: You should forward this whole thing to dave sifry, he -loves- this joke. -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > You forgot the bit about "das blinkenlights" :) > > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net > "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in > creating the Internet." -- Al Gore > "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 16:45:47 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Message I put on a machine I was using for backups. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Chris J. DiBona wrote: > Und derfingerpoken. We used to have that joke on the machine room at Epoch. It used to give the colo customers these great double-take looks. :) > PS: You should forward this whole thing to dave sifry, he -loves- this > joke. I don't know who he is. :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 16:56:25 1999 From: chris at varesearch.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. Message-ID: >From my friend Joe. -- My additions are in curly brackets {} Building a Server That Doesn't Crash {by someone that doesn't know} Sam Ockman, January 26, 1999 {aka Spam CrOckman} {in his first article for DipHead, Spam CrOckman gives most people who see him nausea} Welcome to Penguin Speak, DevHead's new monthly column on Linux. {Leave it to Spam to be the first guy on the Linux block to write for ZD 'land of a thousand FUDs' Net. How legitimizing} I became a Linux zealot while studying Computer Systems Engineering at Stanford, {where I was a loser and pathetic too. I have since graduated to become an entrepreneureal pathetic loser. I got into to Stanford because i am a massive crackmonkey. I got dropped from working at a real company (VA) because I am said crackmonkey - VA now has full crackmonkey bg checks} and my obsession quickly developed to the point where I couldn't talk about anything else. {lord knows, no one wants him to speak at all. He's like an idiot-savant without the savant} In the past few years I've seen Linux grow from a humble beginning to where it is now, poised for world domination. {thank you Darth Vader...don't you have someplace else to breathe heavily at?} I've also managed to meet everyone from Linus to the sys-admins and engineers at the different Linux software companies. {And I'm sure this lends weight to your existence, as nothing else you have done amounts to a cabbage-fart. You have to bask in others glow because you are dim as a 2 watt bulb} These contacts will allow me to share with you a unique perspective as to where Linux is going. {it is unique because he is the only clueless sod to blather it at random...} Currently, I'm running a company of my own, {I suppose you could call it 'running'...although crawling like a sedated quadriplegic is more like it. And of course you are doing it on your own, because no one is stupid enough to work for you...} that relies almost exclusively on the internet for sales and support. {what, that hired crackmonkey in the costume at Linuxworld didn't rake the customers in? As for support, I think I can safely assume you can barely support yourself with the paper-mache spine you have, let alone anything else} By combining Linux with Perl and Apache, I'm able to automate things in a weekend that in the past would have meant hiring large companies like SAP and Anderson Consulting for weeks or months (with the price tag that goes along). {you make it sound like you are the only one who knows this...coming from a guy who has all the personality and creativity of a sea cucumber...} Linux by itself is boring; {as opposed to Spam CrOckman, who is boring regardless if by himself or in a crowd...} it's the Operating System combined with its applications that make things interesting. {its your business tactics and general shiftyness combined with the pallor of Casper the friendly Ghost that make you totally uninteresting and quite irksome...} As I make decisions in my company, {It will continue to flounder and suffer a slow, pitiful death...} such as whether to keep Perl or switch to Python for CGI programming, {Go suck up to Guido von Rossum and ask for some advice then...seems to work for everything else you do} or whether to use an OpenSource word processor or WordPerfect, I'll be sharing everything I learn with you so you can learn from all my mistakes. {the first mistake being listening to anything you write in the first place...} ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:05:21 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Is anyone else a /. moderator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I really hadn't noticed that I'd been given moderator status until today, though I've probably had it for a while. _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:11:58 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gee Chris, tell us how you *REALLY* feel. :) On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Chris DiBona wrote: > {Leave it to Spam to be the first guy on the Linux block to write for ZD > 'land of a thousand FUDs' Net. How legitimizing} I suppose I should now say that I'm writing for IDG.... > such as whether to keep Perl or switch to Python for CGI programming, > > {Go suck up to Guido von Rossum and ask for some advice then...seems to > work for everything else you do} I'm a big python fan... ::sigh:: _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at dibona.com Mon Mar 22 01:17:04 1999 From: chris at dibona.com (Chris J. DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Is anyone else a /. moderator? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep. but technically, I'm not supposed to say so. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org Tannu Tuva or Bust! whois cjd32 http://www.dibona.com On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > I really hadn't noticed that I'd been given moderator status until today, > though I've probably had it for a while. > > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net > "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in > creating the Internet." -- Al Gore > "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle > > ===================================================================== > To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying > "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 17:17:38 1999 From: chris at varesearch.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dude, Joe wrote this, not me. I just posted it :-) Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > Gee Chris, tell us how you *REALLY* feel. :) > > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Chris DiBona wrote: > > > {Leave it to Spam to be the first guy on the Linux block to write for ZD > > 'land of a thousand FUDs' Net. How legitimizing} > > I suppose I should now say that I'm writing for IDG.... > > > such as whether to keep Perl or switch to Python for CGI programming, > > > > {Go suck up to Guido von Rossum and ask for some advice then...seems to > > work for everything else you do} > > I'm a big python fan... ::sigh:: > > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net > "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in > creating the Internet." -- Al Gore > "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:17:35 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Chris DiBona wrote: > Dude, Joe wrote this, not me. > > I just posted it :-) :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 17:21:45 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: ; from Chris DiBona on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 05:17:38PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990322172144.W2372@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 05:17:38PM -0800, Chris DiBona wrote: > Dude, Joe wrote this, not me. Joe McGuckin? -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 17:35:59 1999 From: chris at varesearch.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: <19990322172144.W2372@zork.net> Message-ID: No, arruda! You know, the guy with the shiny pants. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:43:39 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:19 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oh, Joe "I am a flaming asshole" Arruda. http://x8.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=455890217&CONTEXT=922153446.1514012822&hitnum=93 _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From evangelo at pigdog.org Mon Mar 22 17:47:57 1999 From: evangelo at pigdog.org (evangelo@pigdog.org) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Deirdre Saoirse's message of "Mon, 22 Mar 1999 17:11:58 -0800 (PST)" References: Message-ID: >>>>> "Deirdre" == Deirdre Saoirse writes: >> {Go suck up to Guido von Rossum and ask for some advice then...seems to >> work for everything else you do} Deirdre> I'm a big python fan... ::sigh:: Well, then, according to this email, you SUCK. Sorry, but that's the way it works. I saw it on the Internet, it must be true. ~ESP P.S. Python roxxxxxxx. P.P.S. Don, are you doing a check for [R|r][o|O|0][(cks)|[x|X]+]? ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:49:07 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 22 Mar 1999 evangelo@pigdog.org wrote: > Well, then, according to this email, you SUCK. Hon, I knew that already. That's why I'm a widow. Bad-um-dum.... > P.S. Python roxxxxxxx. :) _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From chris at varesearch.com Mon Mar 22 17:51:52 1999 From: chris at varesearch.com (Chris DiBona) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't know, Joe's an alright guy, He is a good friend to have. He has a little ego, but hell, that's nothing new on crackmonkey. (speaking for meself, of course) On another note, I didn't know that the Maher letter made it to usenet. Chris -- Director of Linux Marketing - VA Research Inc. http://www.varesearch.com Vice President, Silicon Valley Linux Users Group http://www.svlug.org Webmaster & Grant Chair, Linux International. http://www.li.org On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > Oh, Joe "I am a flaming asshole" Arruda. > > http://x8.dejanews.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=455890217&CONTEXT=922153446.1514012822&hitnum=93 > > _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net > "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in > creating the Internet." -- Al Gore > "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle > ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 17:52:36 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Chris DiBona wrote: > I don't know, Joe's an alright guy, He is a good friend to have. He has a > little ego, but hell, that's nothing new on crackmonkey. (speaking for > meself, of course) On another note, I didn't know that the Maher letter > made it to usenet. With identifying info redacted. Naturally, Joe had to out our goth friend, rather pointedly ignoring WHY the identifying info was redacted. If you want to read something really depressing, read all the responses to the thread except Rick's and mine. _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Mon Mar 22 18:07:37 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: ; from Chris DiBona on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 05:51:52PM -0800 References: Message-ID: <19990322180737.A32423@hugin.imat.com> Quoting Chris DiBona (chris@varesearch.com): > I don't know, Joe's an alright guy.... He is, as it turns out. Please tell him I said hi. As to the remainder of the subject just raised, maybe we'd be better off not going there. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From deirdre at deirdre.net Mon Mar 22 18:14:01 1999 From: deirdre at deirdre.net (Deirdre Saoirse) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: <19990322180737.A32423@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Rick Moen wrote: > He is, as it turns out. Please tell him I said hi. As to the remainder > of the subject just raised, maybe we'd be better off not going there. Well, speaking as a woman, guys saying guys are "all right" are, no insult intended, the LAST people I would trust for information on how said guy would treat a woman. Because how guys relate to guys and how guys relate to women are very often quite different. Mae Ling said the guy struck her as somewhat slimy, which pretty much mirrors his attitude in the usenet post. ::shrug:: Doesn't mean I wouldn't be friendly to him though. _Deirdre * http://www.linuxcabal.org * http://www.deirdre.net "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." -- Al Gore "If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." -- Dan Quayle ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From nick at zork.net Mon Mar 22 18:05:53 1999 From: nick at zork.net (Nick Moffitt) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 06:14:01PM -0800 References: <19990322180737.A32423@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <19990322180553.A2372@zork.net> On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 06:14:01PM -0800, Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Rick Moen wrote: > > > He is, as it turns out. Please tell him I said hi. As to the > > remainder of the subject just raised, maybe we'd be better off not > > going there. > > Well, speaking as a woman, guys saying guys are "all right" are, no > insult intended, the LAST people I would trust for information on > how said guy would treat a woman. Because how guys relate to guys > and how guys relate to women are very often quite different. Ok, kids. Let's take this to alt.joe.arruda.gar.gar.gar now and forget it ever happened. -- "The software is intended to be as unobtrusive, unintrusive and unconstraining as possible. In software as elsewhere, good engineering is whatever gets the job done without calling attention to itself." -- Cynbe ru Taren, on Citadel (http://zork.net/cit/citadel.txt) ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zork.net saying "unsubscribe crackmonkey" in the body of the message. From rick at hugin.imat.com Mon Mar 22 18:29:12 1999 From: rick at hugin.imat.com (Rick Moen) Date: Fri Jul 8 18:43:20 2005 Subject: [crackmonkey] Someone, unbelievably, who likes sam less than I. In-Reply-To: ; from Deirdre Saoirse on Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 06:14:01PM -0800 References: <19990322180737.A32423@hugin.imat.com> Message-ID: <19990322182912.B32423@hugin.imat.com> I'm being charitable, which is in my interest: He behaved very much like a jerk in the initial Usenet post, but then seemed to regret it -- making appropriate allowance for my having backed him into a corner. To explain: Very few people will behave with good grace after being publicly backed into a rhetorical corner. They tend to fight back, even when they are massively at fault. I happen to have put Mr. Arruda very much on the spot, in front of a huge audience, and in response he came a great deal closer to a retraction and apology than I would ordinarily expect. In truth, I have no idea whether he's "all right" -- towards women or towards humanity in general. However, experience leads me to extend respect and the benefit of the doubt to someone who reacts as he did. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick (at) linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association ===================================================================== To unsubscribe, send a message to majordomo@zor